00:00Obviously, everyone liked the idea that he's a straight shooter, which we've talked about ad nauseum since he's gotten here.
00:05It did kind of feel a lot of people, not mocking, that's not the right term, but sitting back and
00:12looking and saying to themselves,
00:13oh, so he's also not making fun of the Browns, but acknowledging that the Browns aren't a very good football
00:18team right now.
00:19And I don't know that that's necessarily the greatest thing in the world.
00:23Let me show you your work on that.
00:25No, I mean, I just mean the perception that I got out of listening to people after that.
00:29They'd say the straight shooter thing, and then they'd make some sort of commentary or something after the fact to
00:33be like, oh, yeah.
00:35Yeah, so he's just being honest.
00:37This team is not very good if they're throwing interceptions in 7-on-7.
00:40I don't know.
00:41So I actually do think what you're saying is going to end up coming down to the brass tacks of
00:48Todd Munkin at 9-8 with his team this year will be beloved by the national media.
00:54And Todd Munkin, if they are 1-16, will be made fun of.
00:59And I think it's Dan Campbell.
01:00And they might go back to this clip, though.
01:02They might go back to this clip and be like, yeah, Munkin saw it from a mile away.
01:04He was telling everybody in May they couldn't even do 7-on-7s properly.
01:08I actually think back to the Dan Campbell principle.
01:11The first two years, Dan Campbell was widely mocked at every turn.
01:15Yeah, it was like 2-17 in his first 19.
01:17Because they just didn't win.
01:19Something insanely bad like that.
01:20And then year 3, they started winning, and all of a sudden, everybody thought Dan Campbell was the greatest thing
01:26since sliced bread.
01:28And the reason why I bring that up is I think that's the way the national media treats it.
01:32I think locally.
01:33I think not being Kevin Stefanski is going to go a long way this year, even if you're maybe a
01:415- or 6-win team,
01:42because there aren't a lot of people for expectations.
01:45One of the things that always, I think, hurt Freddie, beyond just the fact he just had no business being
01:50a head coach.
01:51Munkin has a business being a head coach.
01:53But one of the things I always think hurt Freddie is that that team had sky-high expectations coming off
01:58how 2018 ended,
02:00and then Freddie ended up being a goober and not fit to be a head coach.
02:06Yeah, he couldn't deliver.
02:06And then they won, what was that, 8 wins that year?
02:097 wins that year?
02:10No, no.
02:11No, it wasn't even that high.
02:12So it was like 6 wins.
02:13I thought it was 5 or 6.
02:14So I think in this case, I think locally, Todd not being Kevin Stefanski, as long as the team's not
02:24an abject disaster,
02:26if this team is a 6-7-8-win team, I think Todd not being Kevin is going to actually
02:33float for at least a year.
02:34Here's my perception of it, because he also made another comment about Shador Sanders as well,
02:37and he referenced how Shador's getting much better and much better and, oh, the leaps he's taken and something along
02:43those lines.
02:43I wonder if Munkin's doing a little bit of...
02:48Nope.
02:49I'll tell you all fair.
02:50Very funny comment by Roberto Shenanigans that I cannot make on air.
02:54No, I know.
02:55Yeah.
02:56Sorry.
02:56I know.
02:56Yeah, I think...
02:57Not expecting it.
02:57There's a big build-up here.
02:58Yeah.
02:59And I go...
02:59No.
03:01You'll...
03:02You're going to have the same reaction.
03:04I'll be able to land the plane now.
03:05I don't know.
03:05I don't know that I will.
03:06No, I'm so distracted.
03:08I don't even know that I have it in me.
03:10I'm not looking at Twitter.
03:10I don't even know that I have it in me.
03:11You've got it in you.
03:12So here's the thing.
03:12So he's building up Shador, and he's making these comments like,
03:15we can't even complete a pass in 7-on-7.
03:17There's a part of me that wonders if Munkin is just building this whole thing up to be like,
03:23wow, look at how great of a job I've done in making this team into now this team that can
03:29do this,
03:30that can do X, Y, and Z.
03:31And I think he's prematurely getting ready to take a lot of credit for this team looking much better than
03:38they will last year,
03:39or did last year.
03:40Oh, I mean, he'll be able to take the biggest victory lap.
03:42If Vegas has got you at 6-and-a-half wins, if you're coming off a team that's a 5
03:47-win team,
03:47if you get to 8 or 9 wins this year, Todd Munkin gets to be the bell of the ball
03:52for a full year.
03:53But I think part of that convo for himself is making comments like he did on the,
03:56we can't even complete passes in 7-on-7.
03:58That's embarrassing in doing that type of stuff.
04:00And you're building up the narrative that the team that he inherited,
04:03because he knows there's way more talent on this team than a 5-win team last year,
04:07at least on the defensive side of the ball.
04:08And he knows there's a lot of young players on there.
04:10And he knows the setup that is there.
04:12Like, if he wins 7, 8, 9 games, whatever that is,
04:15he's going to be able to walk around like he did at all.
04:18And I just think there was, I don't think the cupboard was as bare as maybe he's going to make
04:22it seem.
04:22Here's the only thing.
04:23I don't think Todd is premeditated in any way.
04:26I mean, you might have just been embarrassed with how it looked.
04:29I don't know.
04:29I think he is a straight shooter.
04:31I think that's like where there's so much of what was frustrating about Kevin's reticence to say anything.
04:39Was he spent so much time putting in ways to not say anything.
04:44He got creative in how a lack of creativity he showed and how dull he was.
04:50They thought a lot about their presentation of everything.
04:52Maybe that's where I'm not giving Munkin the same benefit of the doubt.
04:54Well, but that's what my problem was always.
04:56If you're going to put this much thought into it, intentionality was Kevin's favorite word.
05:01Can't you put a little bit of intentionality into saying something that is relatable
05:06instead of drilling it down to its most basic boring form that says nothing about it, right?
05:11And so Munkin is the absolute opposite of that.
05:15I don't think there's any – I don't want to say any.
05:17I don't think he – but I don't think he goes out there with a purpose of like,
05:21oh, I'm going to put these breadcrumbs here, these Easter eggs,
05:24so that six months from now I can take my big victory lap.
05:27I think this guy's going to take a victory lap in six months if they're good
05:31because he enjoys the fruits of his labor.
05:34But I don't think he's thinking down the road.
05:36All right, then the way he's talking right now, he seems like then he's surprised
05:40that they're as bad in certain spots as they are.
05:43I think that's a football guy.
05:44Like, I really do.
05:45Like, I think that's just an honest – one, very few people look good in May.
05:50In OTAs, especially when you have turnover on one side of the ball,
05:54I think that's just – I mean, I don't even know how to say it any other way.
05:58Like, I just think he's – he's just being honest about what he sees.
06:02And I just – I don't think there's any motive behind it.
06:04I do think that he's going to have to find out which guys that plays with
06:08and which guys that doesn't play with.
06:10I'm glad you think this way because I don't ever trust coaches.
06:12I don't ever trust anyone at the podium.
06:14I constantly come at that with a level of –
06:17you were talking about the, like, cynicism attached to things.
06:19I do that with these coaches.
06:20And I always think they're way more planned out than people ever believed.
06:23I think they're way more intentional than people ever believe.
06:25And until you – I don't even know what he could do to earn my benefit of the doubt
06:28in that regard.
06:29So, I – it's tough because that's also going to be built on the mix of success
06:33versus failure, and that's just – that's going to inform our opinions of this.
06:37But I just – I don't know.
06:39I mean, I really think – I agree with you, by the way.
06:42Like, teams lie all the time.
06:44And I'm also not going to say that Todd Monk is going to be the most honest cat
06:47in the world every single time.
06:49There are going to be times where I think it's going to be obvious that,
06:51oh, he's kind of doing the coach thing that you've got to do
06:54because you've got to get through this moment together.
06:56You've got to find a way not to alienate people.
06:57But it's May.
06:59The stakes are so low right now.
07:01I would be shocked if anything he says right now – I would be shocked, by the way,
07:06if the guys in that locker room saw him blast off about the interceptions on 7-7
07:11and felt any sort of way.
07:12No, I just – I get the vibe that he is – at 59 years old, first-time head coach,
07:17I think he's desperate to try to showcase to people that he belongs,
07:20that he knows what he's doing, that he is doing this right,
07:22that all of those things have to apply when you've been passed over for so long
07:26and now given a shot.
07:27And so I perceived it as just kind of him sitting back and, oh, wow,
07:31I can't believe how bad they look here, here, and here,
07:34to then he's going to turn around a couple weeks from now, a month from now,
07:36to be like, and we got that cleaned up, and this looks good.
07:39And it's going to be a little self-pat on the back for himself.
07:41Now, while we talk about the meat munkin, because he is – like, he's not a meathead,
07:46so I keep calling him meat munkin.
07:47He's not a meathead, but he's just a football guy, man.
07:51I like the term, though, because I always call people meatball fans.
07:54They're like a meatball fan.
07:55I like that.
07:56So meatball munkin works for me.
07:58Yeah, but then I don't want him to think I think he's dumb,
08:00because that's not what I'm saying.
08:01That's the implication of meatball.
08:03Well, that's why I don't want to do it.
08:05Because I actually – I just respect the way he's doing this.
08:08Like, I think this bullcrap era of really, really smart people, by the way,
08:15but Ivy Leaguers have injected this corporate bullcrap into sports,
08:19where it's like emotions are bad.
08:21No, the hell they are.
08:23Like, these guys, these football players run off emotions.
08:26You don't put a computer in front of human beings and say, you know,
08:30this is your leader.
08:31And so I think there's something real about Todd Munkin.
08:34And here's the other thing, because I did see this.
08:36People criticizing him, saying, not everyone in the locker room is going to like it.
08:40Yeah, but that guy's been around for 60 years.
08:42That guy's been in locker rooms for 40 years.
08:45I guarantee you he's going to have a sense when he says something that somebody doesn't like,
08:50and I trust him to actually deal with it.
08:53Well, and it's also he is coming from a place of honesty.
08:56There's nobody in that room that can look around and be like, yeah, that was –
08:59No, that was great football.
09:00Seven on seven interceptions are allowed.
09:02You're right.
09:03That is a cool thing that we should have happen.
09:05Like, no one's going to say that.
09:06But while we're also talking about Todd Munkin, we do have to talk about the fact that
09:09Deion Sanders has said recently he wants to have a meeting.
09:13He wants to have a meeting with Todd Munkin, not as Shudor's father.
09:16No, as his football coach.
09:18Mary Kay Cabo was on with the Morning Boys earlier today and talked about a Munkin-Deion conversation.
09:24It will be interesting to see if Todd Munkin is open to that kind of a conversation.
09:30I don't know why he wouldn't be.
09:32I'm sure he will be.
09:33It's Deion.
09:34And you're not going to just have him show up in town and decide that you're not going
09:37to be open to that.
09:38So I'm guessing that those two guys will talk.
09:41He knows how to motivate him.
09:43He knows how to get him going.
09:44He knows, you know, just what he needs inside the classroom and on the field and in the game.
09:50And I think he wants to share those little shortcuts and tips of things that he knows will work
09:56for him.
09:57So if I were Todd Munkin, I would certainly be open to that kind of a conversation because
10:02if it can help you unlock some of the keys to better quarterback play, then why not go
10:07for that?
10:08It's more of a sticky wicked than it should be because it's Shador's dad and his old
10:15football coach.
10:16But getting back to trusting Todd Munkin, Todd Munkin, to be very honest, you also have
10:22to have a bit of a BS meter.
10:24This is a situation that whatever the right way to handle it with Deion is, I expect him
10:29to handle it the right way because I think the best way to handle it is by being straightforward.
10:33Yeah, that's all.
10:33I don't know why it would hurt Todd Munkin, but I also, I think both things can be true.
10:39The idea that I think it could benefit both sides, but I also feel like if it was that
10:44important, then Deion would have carved time out to do it already.
10:47If they really thought that there's some, like Mary Kay's unlocking and there's some sort
10:51of keys that Deion can give to make everyone's life easier between Munkin and Shador, if Deion
10:58really, really believed that there was a lot to be gained by doing that, he would have
11:03already done it.
11:04Would he not?
11:05I don't know.
11:06I just, I mean, it just seems like if there really was something there, I don't, I'm not
11:10saying there's anything bad that can come from it.
11:11I don't believe that.
11:12I'm just trying to figure out if you really thought the difference between your son getting
11:15the job and not getting the job was based off of a meeting that you could have with the
11:19head coach, wouldn't you have already done that job?
11:21Yeah, I just took, when Deion made the comments, I took it to Deion making himself more
11:25important than he really is again.
11:28That's all, and I don't mean that in a mean way, but Deion does a great job of positioning
11:32himself as an authority in every which way, in every which matter, and that's all I took
11:37it as.
11:38I thought Deion propping himself and maybe to some degree Shador up in a way, and so
11:43I didn't really look at it like he's got some keys to the kingdom that Munkin is going
11:49to have.
11:49He's got a perspective, which everyone can benefit from a different perspective, but I think
11:54people took it to be like, oh, this is going to be some summit.
11:57It's like, it's going to be like a five-minute conversation.
11:59Yeah, no, it's not.
12:00Todd's probably going to bust his stones.
12:01Deion's probably going to bust his stones.
12:02They're going to laugh a little bit, and then it goes on.
12:04I hope I'm conveying in the right way.
12:06The idea is that I don't think there's some groundbreaking piece of material that Deion can hand off.
12:10The idea, if there was, then Deion would have already made time and already found a way
12:15to get it to Munkin.
12:16If it was that important, if it was that make or break, he would have already done that.
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