00:00Dewar had to fill in, and when Deshaun Watson is now healthy,
00:03he goes back to the starting lineup.
00:05Now, how quickly will they make a move if things go awry?
00:09That's a different story, but in terms of him renaming Watson the starter,
00:13I think that's the right thing to do for the football team.
00:16Emery, how do you balance the different goals here?
00:19One goal is, hey, this team is in the throes of a playoff race,
00:23and given where they are in the AFC, it's going to be between them,
00:27New England, maybe Houston, depending on what happens this weekend,
00:31and also the other priority, which is see what you have in Shador Sanders
00:36and getting him action that matters, not just zombie games at the end of the year.
00:41It's funny because that's why I was – we were in studio, I want to say on –
00:47I think it was Monday night.
00:49All my nights started running together.
00:50We were in studio on Monday night, and we did a playoff bracket
00:52of what the current situation looks like in the AFC.
00:57And so when we saw the Patriots at the seventh seed and the Raiders in the hunt
01:02at four and five coming off a game where they were actually in that game
01:06versus San Francisco, in my mind I'm thinking,
01:08why would they get rid of Kirk Cousins if they're right there in the –
01:12they could catch New England.
01:13New England is not playing particularly well.
01:15And I'm saying that to say for the Browns, you know,
01:18it could be a situation where, okay, we're trying to win games with Deshaun Watson
01:23because he started the season.
01:25And then, hey, Shadour gives us a little bit more of a higher ceiling.
01:29All of that is why I brought up the whole comparison between Colin Kaepernick
01:34and Alex Smith.
01:36Watson wasn't playing – or Alex Smith wasn't playing particularly bad,
01:39but Coach Harbaugh felt like, hey, our ceiling is a little bit higher
01:43with Colin Kaepernick.
01:44We're going to make the move in that direction.
01:46It was unpopular, but it worked out for him as they got to the Super Bowl that year
01:50against the Baltimore Ravens.
01:52So what I'm looking at this from a 10,000-foot level is like, hey,
01:56maybe after the bye they say, okay, Shadour raises our ceiling.
02:01Let's go with him after the bye and continue to move this thing forward
02:05because they're doing a good job of developing him
02:07and bringing him along slowly within the midst of their offense.
02:14So I do feel like they see him as the future quarterback, the future QB one,
02:18and Watson is not losing you games.
02:21But they saw last week versus New Orleans, hey, maybe the ceiling is a little bit higher
02:26with Shadour, and now we know we can go to him if we want to go in that direction.
02:31So like Lima said, it was almost – you used the term insulting,
02:34not insulting at all to make the consideration,
02:37or would you maybe consider it insulting if you're the head coach
02:39to make the consideration to switch quarterbacks?
02:42Not insulting at all.
02:44He's in charge of the football team.
02:45And, again, you don't want to lose – they say you don't lose your job to injury,
02:49and that would be counterintuitive of what we've seen coaching coaches do
02:55throughout the course of the time.
02:57I'll bring up another example.
02:58When we go back to the year 2000, Jeff Blake started the season for New Orleans,
03:03and they were 7-2 right in the midst of a good season.
03:08Ricky Williams broke his ankle on his 1,000th yard, I believe, against the Bears.
03:13And then the next week, Jeff Blake against the Raiders broke his ankle,
03:18and Aaron Brooks had to go in and start the rest of the season.
03:21And Brooks went on this magical run.
03:23They ended up winning their first playoff game in franchise history.
03:27So now you're like, okay, well, next year Blake reverts back to the starter, right?
03:31But you just had this great magical season with the guy that you got off the –
03:35from the Green Bay Packers, and he became the superstar of the city
03:39because he got the first franchise playoff win.
03:42They couldn't go back to Aaron – they couldn't go back to Jeff Blake.
03:45So that's the situation where a guy lost his job due to injury,
03:49but the circumstances were different because you went on this magical run.
03:52In this case, this was a week-to-week decision.
03:55So therefore, I don't think you'd make that long-term decision just now
03:59because he was coming back off of a concussion injury.
04:01All right, Emery, for about two and a half hours, the offense was looking very listless.
04:09Certainly not all on Shador Sanders.
04:12A lot of the same issues with the lack of a running game.
04:14A lot of the same issues.
04:16And penalties, pass protection.
04:18So given all of that and how incredible the finish was to the game,
04:23how do you rate the overall performance?
04:25Did it look different to you than, say, the seven games last year?
04:30Yes, it did because he wasn't taking bad sacks.
04:33In fact, the one sack he took was actually a great sack
04:37because he was cognizant of the time and the situation.
04:41Because if he throws a football and it either goes incomplete
04:44or gets knocked down or whatever, the clock stops.
04:47So he took that sack and that two-minute drill
04:49to kind of force the Saints to use the timeout.
04:52Also, we saw him step up in the face of pressure.
04:55He had the one Shadorian play where he tried to spin out.
04:59And was able to get the ball away.
05:00But outside of that, he was stepping up into pressure
05:02to either mitigate the loss or get some positive yards.
05:06And we saw him, and this was the key play of the game,
05:10the first down he got on the QB draw,
05:13where he got the first down with like 246.
05:16Then after that, you saw Jepkins get the first down,
05:18but it was callback for holding.
05:20Those situational moments were, to me, tremendous growth from last year.
05:25But the stuff that we saw down the stretch, the game-winning drive,
05:28man, we've seen that for Shador since Jackson State.
05:31And so that hasn't changed at all.
05:33It's just that we've seen now him mature in terms of the situational decisions
05:38that we saw some of last year but not consistently.
05:41But I thought I saw it consistently in that game against the Saints.
05:46And we didn't see him get flustered when a bad play happened.
05:50Last year, we kind of saw him kind of press a little bit
05:52and try to make the play, I've got to make the play, case in point,
05:55the interception versus Pittsburgh last year
05:57when he threw a bat across the field.
05:59You didn't see no pass from Shador that was like,
06:02man, that was almost picked.
06:03That was a bad throw.
06:04That was a force.
06:05You saw none of that in that game.
06:06So, yes, you saw tremendous growth over last season.
06:09What is his future?
06:11Is it with the Cleveland Browns, Shador?
06:14Yeah, I think so.
06:15I feel like I like this approach now.
06:17When you're seeing, okay, they're bringing a young guy along slowly.
06:21This is the last year of Deshaun Watson's contract.
06:25So, next year, you have a guy that is now familiar with your system,
06:29got live game reps within your system.
06:32So, now he has a full grasp of what's going on.
06:36So, you can take those first-round picks or whatnot.
06:39And, I mean, listen, if it were me and anybody just watching that game last week
06:44versus New Orleans, the first thing you saw and you came away thinking like,
06:48man, the Browns need to look at Dylan Stewart.
06:51They need to look at, you know, somebody that can tote the rock consistently.
06:55They need to look at linemen.
06:56All of those things you were looking at and you didn't look at the quarterback.
06:59So, Shador did his part.
07:00And I feel like if you're building this thing in the right direction,
07:03like I feel like the Browns are,
07:05and Andrew Berry still has the Mario Gold Star where he's nailing all these draft picks,
07:10just allow him to keep picking players and allow Shador to grow within the system
07:14and go into next year, now they're going full guns a-blazer.
07:17What do you think?
07:18We're joined by Emery Hunt.
07:19CBS Sports Football does a great job of breaking down ball.
07:23Also, does great analyst work as well.
07:26So, what do you think of his arm talent overall now that we've seen, you know,
07:30two different seasons, two different offense.
07:32Granted, just one game this year.
07:33The throw to Jerry Judy was spectacular.
07:36Overall, though, I didn't see a ton of anticipatory throws.
07:39Maybe that's just they're not ready for that in this offense.
07:42Same thing I would say about Deshaun Watson.
07:44Is that the stuff he needs to get better at to prove himself to Todd Munkin
07:48and the rest of the NFL?
07:50I think his anticipatory throws are there.
07:54That, to me, is a lot of it is tied with the pressure.
07:57Sometimes, hey, I got to get rid of it a little bit quicker,
07:59or I got to hold it to see if I can get this ball off.
08:03I feel like the pressure kind of dictated that.
08:05But we go back to the preseason, and yes, it is the preseason.
08:08But you saw the anticipatory throws there.
08:11So it is in his bag.
08:13I would say the arm talent was – that's why I compared him to Joe Burrow
08:17coming out of college was because they had the same questions
08:20where it doesn't look like it's a high-velocity throw.
08:24But then when you sit there and watch it from a different angle, like,
08:27all right, that ball had a little bit of zip on it.
08:29It got to the spot.
08:30It was a tight window of throw.
08:33And I thought that's kind of like what Shadour is, you know,
08:36in terms of the physical talent.
08:37Even with him and Burrow, like I said before, you know,
08:41both guys probably think they're a little bit more athletic than what they are.
08:44They can get away from pressure, and they end up getting themselves sacked.
08:47But outside of that, I have no questions with this arm talent.
08:50There's not a situation where you're thinking, okay,
08:53the ball is not going to get there.
08:55We've seen numerous far-hash throws.
08:56And I know some of these online All-22 freeze-frame tape watchers would like to say,
09:02well, those passes were underthrown.
09:04How about they were both under the rest?
09:06And did the ball get completed?
09:07Yes, they got completed.
09:09The one pass to Casey Concepcion was actually a well-placed throw,
09:13dropped in between two defenders that didn't get him killed on that play.
09:17And the other play to Denzel Boston deep down the field,
09:20he put enough loft underneath it to where his 6'4 receiver can go play above the rim
09:24and snatch it off the dome of the defensive back and make the play.
09:28Not every pass will be perfect, but every pass that you need to complete, he completed.
09:33We got Emery Hunt joining us on the show.
09:35So as of right now, because I don't know if either of my personal opinions is
09:40I don't believe that either of them are long for the area.
09:43Because I do think – well, do you think that the quarterback class is going to be
09:47a little deeper than what people are saying right now?
09:49Because we came off it completely, and now it's like, well, you got Mr. Maker.
09:52You might have C.J. Carr.
09:54Dante Moore, I don't think anybody – people shouldn't forget about him.
09:58Mensa, you know I love Lenore Sellers.
10:00It might be deeper, and I'm going, man, if they're there at 16,
10:03or maybe they can bump up to 12 or 13,
10:06maybe they might want to do something like that with one of those other guys.
10:11I feel like they have the guy already in tow.
10:13And the reason why I feel that way, and I've always stayed 10 toes down in this sentiment,
10:19is because we know Shadour Sanders was a QB1 coming into that draft class.
10:24We know he was a first-round talent, seen as the first-round pick, at worst top 40.
10:30So just because – I think people still are holding his draft slot against him.
10:36Same reason why people are refusing to give Brock Purdy his props,
10:40because they still, in some ways, hold that seventh-round Mr. Irrelevant selection over him.
10:46And a lot of people don't want to move up their initial thoughts on that.
10:50Some people still view Brock Purdy as a seventh-round pick,
10:53as opposed to a dude that's actually been out there carrying his offense this particular season,
10:58and even last season, with the weapons were around him.
11:01And I feel like Shadour is getting knocked because he was drafted in the fifth round.
11:07But if you go back and watch how he played at Jackson State,
11:10where he had one turnover in the red zone in 30-something games,
11:14then you go back and watch him at Colorado and look at what Colorado is now offensively,
11:20the dude can ball.
11:21And the Browns have their answer.
11:23They have a cheap answer.
11:24That's the most important part.
11:26And none of these quarterbacks in these classes, the last two classes that –
11:29and you guys know this, I've told y'all this on the show –
11:32can touch what he put out there on film.
11:34That doesn't mean that these guys are good, but you already have good on your roster,
11:38and I think it's time to cultivate that.
11:40Plus, I've always said this, too, and I said this last time,
11:42no one player is that good.
11:44You need a team.
11:45And I feel like as the Browns continue to build a team,
11:49you can plop Shadour in there, and he'll be fine.
11:52He'll drive the bus.
11:53That's exactly what you need in today's NFL.
11:55You need 53 guys and not one.
11:58What about Deshaun Watson?
11:59What's his future?
12:00Are we his last stop in the NFL?
12:03That's a great question, man, because I feel like Watson –
12:07you sort of see him get that joy back of playing.
12:11I do feel like he'll get another opportunity with a different NFL team.
12:16He put a lot on tape that shows he still has some leadership ability.
12:20Maybe now it's still – it's in that Jacoby-Vercet type of range
12:24where you can see him spot starting for a couple of games.
12:27We'll see how the rest of this season goes,
12:30and that will determine whether he goes to the Jacoby route
12:33or the Geno Smith route where he's going to be someone's starter again next season.
12:39But if he's not going to be the Geno Smith guy, I think we may see him end up
12:45just being a Cleveland Brown and being done with the Browns.
12:48F-ball game plan on social media.
12:51He is the owner of football game plan.
12:54He is of CBS Sports HQ.
12:57He is Emory Hunt.
12:58Emory, thank you so much for the time.
13:00All the best, my friend.
13:01Appreciate you, guys.
13:02Thanks for having me on.
13:03Emory Hunt.
13:04On the Wise Heart Right, we make it right.
13:05Call Kyle Right Hotline.
13:06Sean, that's very interesting about the answer about Deshaun
13:09and how even with all of it – because I told you before, I'm like,
13:12man, I do think he – I don't think it's here,
13:15but I think that he would get a crack somewhere else.
13:18Like, hey, the Browns dealt with that brunt of all that.
13:21We don't need to deal with that.
13:22What's done is done.
13:23We could bring him in.
13:24I think that another team might do that.
13:26I was surprised to hear that from Emory.
13:28Like, hey, he ain't out of the – basically it kind of sounded to me
13:31like he ain't out of the woods yet,
13:32but he could get a chance if he continues to develop
13:34or continues to play at a decent enough level.
13:38But I think that's a week-to-week thing,
13:39as much as Todd doesn't want to say it is.
13:41Look around the rest of the league.
13:43I mean, Kyle McCord is starting a football game this week in the NFL.
13:47Yeah.
13:47Like, I do believe that if Deshaun Watson, unless the bottom falls out,
13:52the league knows his limitations so much so that he can't even run
13:56an effective offense.
13:57If it goes south and then he gets benched,
13:59we'll have a different discussion.
14:00But if he goes out there, plays competent football this week,
14:03and then gets the starting nod against the Raiders and they win,
14:06like, I do think it starts to – it starts to support that he could
14:11still be playing quarterback in this league,
14:13just maybe for a different team.
14:14Back to this coming up in five minutes and at 945,
14:17I literally prayed it wasn't true and it ended up being true.
14:21And I'm still going to give him the benefit of the doubt
14:23because I like the two guys.
14:24Ken Carman, Anthony Lyman, live on the –
