00:00The name that we're seeing the most commonly put to the Cowboys at 12 is who?
00:07Well, lately it's been Jermod McCoy.
00:09It has been.
00:10Go Vols.
00:11Jermod McCoy.
00:12Did you see his little highlight video yesterday?
00:14I did, yeah.
00:15What did that do for you?
00:16Nothing.
00:18Absolutely nothing.
00:20You know, if you like him and you're okay picking him, that, you know, that did, that reinforced for you.
00:28If you don't like him and don't want to pick him, that didn't reinforce anything for you because you still
00:34are waiting to see.
00:36What if I don't know?
00:37Same thing.
00:38That's where I am.
00:39I don't know.
00:40And it did nothing for me.
00:41It's like, you know, those stupid Jalen Smith videos where he was, I mean, doing everything he could to run.
00:46We saw Aiden Hutchinson do this last year.
00:48Just running everywhere.
00:50It's like, okay, again, dude, I don't know.
00:53I'm going to have to just draft you on faith.
00:55If I draft Jermod McCoy, I'm still going to have the same concerns.
00:59That's it.
01:00Daniel Jeremiah to K&C on why Jermod McCoy keeps going to the Cowboys at 12.
01:07Yeah, that's the whole, I mean, I think he just made the argument for me.
01:10But the, both parts of it, Mansoor Delaney, I'm sure, I don't see him getting there.
01:16And he was gone in that mock draft.
01:17He's my top corner.
01:18And he ran really fast the other day.
01:20And that was, if anybody had any concerns, that was it.
01:23So, you can throw that away.
01:24He's not going to be there.
01:25So, then my next corner is the two Tennessee kids.
01:28And I have McCoy, who I thought was better.
01:30You can make a case his 24 tape is better than even Delaney's 25 tape.
01:34It's really, really good.
01:36He's got body control.
01:37He's smooth.
01:38He's fluid.
01:39I mean, you can watch the game against Ohio State.
01:41Him and Jeremiah Smith had a good battle.
01:42He got beat a couple times.
01:43But he more than held his own, as well as anybody has against that freak show.
01:48But, so, that makes him the second corner.
01:52So, he's my 15th player.
01:54So, yeah, it's, you know, I have him going 12th.
01:57So, that's a tiny bit above what he's evaluated as a player.
02:01But, you know, to me, I don't know what you're missing out on.
02:05You know, like, it's like, well, what's the opportunity cost here if you take him?
02:08Like, I don't know if there's any other player you're looking at and just going like,
02:11oh, my gosh, like, I got to have him compared to what this kid looked like, at least in 24.
02:16All right, so, three things in that.
02:18Number one, he says, Delane, that's gone, bye-bye.
02:22Daniel Jeremiah is not thinking.
02:23And I was feeling good a couple weeks ago that the Cowboys would have the top corner fall to them.
02:29Maybe a little bit optimistic, but that's the way a lot of these mocks were coming out.
02:33And he's like, nah, Delane, and I was worried that the 4-3 would bump him even more out of
02:37the Cowboys' range.
02:38Sounds like Jeremiah absolutely believes that is the case.
02:42He says McCoy is the 15th player on his board.
02:45He would have the Cowboys taking him at 12.
02:48And then I do think he asked a really good question at the end, and he said,
02:53who else is the name screaming at you beneath McCoy that you have to take over him?
03:00Right.
03:02Because in a lot of these recent scenarios, and there's going to be a surprise or two,
03:06one of these names is going to fall, I believe.
03:09Maybe some of that is just hope that you don't get wiped out.
03:12But in a lot of these mock scenarios, RJ, we're talking about getting wiped out more than one of the
03:18names definitely falling to you.
03:19Whether it's Stiles, whether it's Downs, whether it's Delane, whether it's Bain, you know, all the rest of these names.
03:27And it feels like even at 12, you could be not reaching because it's the 12th best player in the
03:36draft,
03:36but you're not going to get your choice.
03:38Yeah, and look, I mean...
03:40Possibly.
03:40You know, if Delane falls to 11, like Jeremiah had, right?
03:48You know, it's not like there's a big drop between him and the next guy.
03:53I mean, you miss about one pick.
03:54It's not like he's being picked second.
03:56And there's a steep drop between one and two.
04:00It doesn't seem to be the case.
04:03And if the tape looks better from the last time the dude was on the field, you know, obviously injury
04:09aside,
04:10then I don't know that, like, if you're faithful in your doctors to view the medicals,
04:18if you have faith in them, then you shouldn't have a worry about picking them.
04:22If you have faith in them.
04:23You know, obviously doctors can miss.
04:26They can't know what's mentally in your head about how much you trust the knee.
04:32You've just got to do your research, do your medicals, and then just go with it.
04:35You're a total listening to all the shows.
04:37We've all done 5,000 mock drafts.
04:40Give me the name after 12 that you definitely want them to take over the question mark, in quotes.
04:49That's McCoy.
04:50I'll take CBS's latest mock, for instance.
04:52They actually have Reuben Bain falling to the Cowboys at 12.
04:54Holy crap, me and Brian Bross would be doing high fives.
04:57But after 12, there's Lemon.
05:01You're not taking him.
05:02There's Boston at receiver.
05:04You're not taking him.
05:05There's Tyson at receiver.
05:06Mesidor.
05:07Is Mesidor a name that's screaming to you so loudly that you have to take him over what McCoy could
05:13be?
05:14There's Thineman.
05:16There's C.J. Allen.
05:17I would say no to that.
05:20Kedrick Falk.
05:21Sounds like there's way too many question marks from some of the Twitter analysts on him.
05:28I think that Jeremiah, Colton Hood, no.
05:30I think that Jeremiah's point, the names that we're usually seeing from 13 on, they're not there.
05:35I mean, maybe they are there, but they're not like positions of need, necessarily.
05:39Which would be, you know, receiver, right?
05:41It's not a position of need.
05:43I don't want to take Mesidor.
05:44He's too old.
05:44I don't want to take a 24-year-old.
05:46Yep.
05:46At 20, I mean, I taught myself into it.
05:50McCoy, he's barely not a teenager anymore.
05:54Barely not a teenager.
05:56You're not taking, you're going to reach, if you take the next best corner or two, that's a massive reach.
06:05You want to say two safeties are going to the top 12?
06:08Well, speaking of safety, CBS has Ruben Bain falling to us.
06:12At number 12, Daniel Jeremiah stopping KNC in their tracks when he talks about the Ohio State safety.
06:21Well, I think he might have just killed one of my dreams, because I was going to ask you if
06:25there's any way you could figure out how to get Mansoor Delane or Caleb Downs a little further down the
06:30board to the Cowboys.
06:31I think Downs is legit.
06:32I think, I think, I wouldn't give up hope on Downs.
06:35The Mansoor Delane plane has taken off, and that is not landing anytime soon in DFW.
06:41So that one, I think you can forget about.
06:42But I do think Caleb Downs is, that one, I would not, I would not put that one to rest
06:47just yet.
06:48Okay.
06:49That piqued their interest.
06:50Explain in a little more detail how he could fall.
06:55I think historically you can look, when I'm, look, I call the Charger games, this is my little side gig.
07:01Heck yeah, you do.
07:01If you'd have told, you'd have told me before that, that draft and being on the set that, that Derwin
07:07James was going to fall to, I believe, 17.
07:09Kyle Hamilton fell to 14.
07:12Nicky Manwari, I think was my 15th or 16th player, fell to the second round.
07:16Like, weird stuff happens in the safety position.
07:19And I don't, and I don't agree with it, but it's been pushed down to some degree.
07:23And then with Downs, you're looking at someone who's not big, you know, he's under six feet, he's a little
07:28over 200 pounds, he's got short arms, he doesn't have a ton of splash plays.
07:32Like, if you watched, if you watch McNeil Warren's splash plays from Toledo, he's got a lot more splash plays
07:37than, than Downs does.
07:39And I know there are some teams who have McNeil Warren over him.
07:42I know there's some teams that have Thienemann over him.
07:45If you go back and watch Thienemann at Purdue, when they let him play in the middle of the field
07:49and he had six picks as a freshman, you could see him range and make a lot of plays.
07:53So, look, I have Downs as my top safety, then McNeil Warren, then Thienemann.
07:56But the fact that we've seen safeties historically drop a little bit, and this guy, when you, you put him
08:02on a stage next to Derwin and Kyle Hamilton and Iman Wari, he's not going to look like those guys.
08:06Like, he's just not.
08:07So, where does that, where does that place him?
08:09I think he's more likely to go 10 to 20 than to go in the top 10.
08:13All right.
08:13Now, 10, Cincinnati, a lot of mocks have that marriage taking place.
08:18But Jeremiah, and I see where he's coming from.
08:23My unpopular agreements with this draft class in the first round, Todd McShay and Dan Orlovsky questioning Mendoza as, like,
08:32one.
08:33I'm in that unpopular camp.
08:36And when Bobby had me going down the Caleb Downs rabbit hole, I was like, is he small?
08:43Is he?
08:44He's not the, he's not 6'4".
08:46The splash?
08:47The that?
08:48And Daniel Jeremiah was one of the first ones, and he got blasted for it.
08:52That was kind of his unpopular take, saying, I'm not putting Caleb Downs in this all-time great prospect class.
09:00I'm not putting him next to Derwin James or Hamilton in Baltimore.
09:05So, he's kind of been out there on the opposite side when it comes to Downs.
09:11Man, I'll tell you, I hope they do the same thing.
09:16I hope all the teams do this, and he falls.
09:19I would be all in on this.
09:20I cannot wait.
09:22Just thinking about this, I'm getting goosies.
09:24And I don't have to go to the bathroom.
09:26I don't have to go to the bathroom.
09:27You're that much in love with Caleb?
09:28I love him.
09:29My Bucs guy, my Saints guy, said, smartest football player he's ever come across.
09:36Just on a different level.
09:38And he also said, not as big as you'd expect.
09:40Yeah.
09:40Right?
09:41He's right around 6 feet tall.
09:42He's probably closer to 5'11".
09:45And now...
09:45Is that Earl Thomas?
09:47Well, I went and looked.
09:48You know, like, I just, the first, whatever, the first safety that popped up my head wasn't even a safety.
09:53He was a corner that became a safety.
09:54He was Charles Woodson.
09:55Right?
09:56I was just thinking, like, you know, a good guy with good ball skills.
09:59And he was 6'1".
10:00Yeah.
10:01So probably 6'0".
10:02Earl, 5'10".
10:03It's fine.
10:04Right?
10:05That's not that big of a deal.
10:07His height.
10:08He's smart.
10:09Like, that's what I'm looking for out of somebody in the secondary.
10:12So in this scenario, Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network, draft analyst on with the K&C Masterpiece.
10:18If Caleb Downs is there at 12, is that the guy you're taking if you're Will McClay?
10:24I would take him.
10:25Yeah, he's my eighth player.
10:26And, to me, it's just, I think in talking to folks at both schools, there's some guys where the sum
10:33is greater than the individual parts.
10:34And I think the impact he'll have on everybody else in the defense and the communication, the leadership.
10:41I, you know, I always believe with football, when you're looking at leadership in football, the closer you are to
10:47the middle of the field, the more leadership matters.
10:49If you're talking about a wide receiver and you go, ah, he's not really a leader, I could care less.
10:53The corner, he doesn't really have any leadership ability.
10:55He's not a great communicator.
10:56He's a loner.
10:57Don't care.
10:57But with centers, with quarterbacks, with middle linebackers, with safeties, like, that's where the nerve center of football is.
11:05So when you have somebody that's incredibly bright, incredibly intelligent, a great communicator, he's a leader, the work ethic, I
11:12think those are all kind of force multipliers over what you might see in his individual skill set.
11:17So Jeremiah is saying he's heard some other people with McNeil-Warren over downs, with Thienemann over downs, just in
11:27terms of making his calls throughout the league.
11:29So that gave KNC some very exciting hope that Caleb could fall, and there's the rest of the discussion on
11:37Jermaud McCoy and this draft.
11:39Yeah, this Thienemann over downs, it seems very counterintuitive to what everybody else is saying.
11:49It seems very outlier-ish.
11:51I don't know if that's...
11:51Because he's white.
11:53Oh, is he?
11:55Is he really?
11:56I have no idea.
11:57You don't know if Thienemann's white?
11:58No.
11:59Well, I'm out on him.
12:01I'm out.
12:02I don't want that.
12:03Leave that for the Eagles.
12:06What do they call them, the exciting whites?
12:08That's what they call their second, Blankenship, and Cooper Dijon.
12:12I refuse to call him Dijon.
12:13This just in for choppy.
12:15Dylan Thienemann is white.
12:16There you go.
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