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00:00On today's show...
00:30It's not all lies! It's not all lies!
00:32It's not all lies!
00:33It's not all lies!
00:36What does this mean?
00:37Everything.
00:38I think it's mean everything to me.
00:39The DNA test.
00:40I'll show the tongue.
00:45What are you wearing?
00:48Well, this is basically what I would wear on my wedding day.
00:51Why have you bought that?
00:53He's not going to marry you today.
00:54I've done some weird stuff on this show, but I can't marry you.
00:58Well, you want to be marrying the man of your dreams, but you say,
01:02I passed, now I need to know.
01:03And if he does, you're going to set a date?
01:05Yes.
01:05Oh, it's right to be! Get out of here now!
01:07Give him a round of applause!
01:08Actually, this was going to look like the best!
01:09You are going to go all the best!
01:36And if he does, you're going to go all the best!
01:39to her grandchildren, Tom.
01:42Now, Jane says that he, Tom, was a violent bully,
01:44controlled her daughter,
01:45and has never bothered with his potential kids.
01:48She only discovered, this is interesting,
01:49there were DNA doubts just a few weeks ago,
01:51but says that regardless of the results,
01:52Tom will not be seeing her grandchildren over this Christmas.
01:55He ain't getting any access.
01:57I know what's best.
01:59My daughter's messed up because of you,
02:01and I'm here today because I'm going to sort it out.
02:03Jane's on The Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
02:13Don't look so scared, it's only me.
02:15Welcome to The Jeremy Kyle Show, you all right?
02:17Yeah, scared.
02:18What are you scared about?
02:19Nervous.
02:20I really appreciate you being here.
02:22This is interesting.
02:24Your daughter can't be here today
02:25for reasons that we don't need to go into,
02:27but you are not only the grandmother to these two kids,
02:31you are the legal guardian to her two kids.
02:33How old are they?
02:35One's 27 months, and Ruby's 17 months.
02:38Um, their relationship was a disaster.
02:43A disaster from the start.
02:45Um, but for you as a grandmother,
02:47the important point is there are two children involved.
02:50It's my babies, who I'm here to protect.
02:53How long have you been looking after them?
02:55From birth.
02:56From birth.
02:57Yeah.
02:57I've even had to stay in hospital when she gave birth to him
03:00because she weren't allowed on her own.
03:02CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
03:05Can I just have a, I've got a, I've got a statement from your daughter.
03:09Uh, thanks, Will.
03:10Your daughter says my relationship with Tom was a nightmare.
03:13He was violent, he took drugs,
03:15and he would constantly accuse me of cheating.
03:17The children live with my mum,
03:18but she lets me see them whenever I want to.
03:20She does never use the kids as a weapon.
03:22Tom has made threats towards my family
03:24and to the house in which my children live.
03:26He's not responsible,
03:28and he shouldn't have contact with them unsupervised.
03:30I know that Tom is the father to my eldest kid.
03:32However, there are DNA doubts regarding my youngest
03:34due to the dates not adding up.
03:36I frankly don't want anything more to do with him.
03:38He's impacted on my life in so many ways.
03:40He can have supervised access if my mother allows it,
03:44but it is down to her, and that's as far as it goes.
03:47Um, I know it's difficult when you come here
03:49and when quite patently it matters so much to you.
03:52Um, how would you describe this, this man, Tom?
03:57I ate him.
03:58I, I, I ate him.
03:59I'd like to have the fire brigade out to my arse
04:02to put a fireproof letterbox on
04:04to see a front of the petrol bomb on my arse
04:05where his kids live.
04:07He thinks it's something...
04:08No, it's not a lie.
04:09No, it's not.
04:10He's a violent thug.
04:12You're a big hard man, aren't you?
04:13Threathing women, and you're threatening my younger daughter.
04:15Oh, I didn't.
04:16Yes, she did.
04:17Oh, I didn't.
04:18Yes, you are.
04:18Tom is a violent thug
04:19who shouldn't be anywhere near the children.
04:21I hope he's not the dad.
04:22Whether he is or not, it ain't happening.
04:24He's not having them.
04:25He's not seeing the kids.
04:26End off.
04:27You said that your daughter
04:27used to have bruises all over her arms and legs.
04:29Yes, she did when she was pregnant with Rube.
04:31She came back with bruises all over her.
04:33Does he pay a penny towards these kids?
04:36And because I'm on benefit...
04:37Shut up and sit down.
04:38Sit down and shut up.
04:40Lose the picture.
04:41And because I'm on benefits bringing his kids up,
04:43he's turning around and calling me a doll waller.
04:46Never worked in my life.
04:47I worked up till 2009
04:49when I had another situation I can't talk about.
04:51Can I tell you what I think?
04:53BEEP.
04:54Never mind.
04:55LAUGHTER
04:58APPLAUSE
05:02I saw a woman in the front row when you were talking.
05:05And I'll tell you what I think.
05:06And I go on about work and people providing.
05:09What you are providing for those kids
05:11is the most important thing in their lives
05:14that they could have.
05:15Yeah.
05:16Yeah.
05:17Yeah.
05:17Yeah.
05:19Um...
05:20You say, actually,
05:21the interesting thing about this boy-slash-man-slash-kid
05:25is that he threatens people and he's controlling.
05:28You're not scared of him.
05:29No, I'm not scared of him.
05:29I used to be.
05:30I stopped going out at one point
05:32because he threatened me.
05:33He said,
05:33if you ever see me where we live,
05:35he would come up to me.
05:37What turned the corner, then?
05:39What makes you brave?
05:40I thought, why should I stay in
05:41and spite those two children from going out?
05:44How are they doing, the kids?
05:45They're brilliant.
05:46They really are.
05:46Do you know something?
05:47No disrespect, right?
05:48They don't even call him dad.
05:49They don't know him as a dad.
05:51They don't even call their own mum, mum.
05:53They call me mum, mum,
05:54and they call my husband, dad.
05:56We've had them from babies,
05:57and that's how it's going to stay.
05:58And I don't care what anyone says about it.
06:02Um, you completely...
06:03You completely won me over.
06:06Let me tell you something.
06:06I read this this morning,
06:07and I thought,
06:08hold on a minute.
06:09This isn't right.
06:10This is a woman and a daughter
06:12who've just come up with a DNA doubt
06:14because they don't want the bloke to be involved.
06:15But I buy you, as that audience does.
06:17But I've turned around and told my daughter as well,
06:19if she's lied about this DNA test,
06:21she's in a contact centre as well.
06:23I love...
06:24What if...
06:25If these kids both come back as is,
06:28I hope to God that none of them do,
06:29but I know one of them's going to.
06:31But if she's lied about Roubaix,
06:33she's in a contact centre as well.
06:35You mean it as well.
06:35How nice is it to be somebody
06:36who actually gives a damn about kids 100%?
06:39I'm not having it anymore.
06:40I'm not having it anymore.
06:42Um, he says,
06:45you're the control freak.
06:46You've tried to ostracise him from day one.
06:48You're playing God with children's lives.
06:50You've got no right.
06:51You're no sort of mother.
06:53Tom's...
06:53I'll leave it to you, love.
06:54Tom's on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
07:02Why lie?
07:03Yeah.
07:03Why lie?
07:04What have I lied about?
07:05I've not been there since I was born.
07:07Since I was born...
07:08Er, he wasn't allowed there.
07:10So he's just saying you weren't allowed there.
07:12Yeah, but I've always been there,
07:14and I always ask him.
07:15You weren't allowed access, was there?
07:16And you shut the shutters down all the time.
07:18Yeah, why do I shut the shutters down?
07:19Because you're a control freak.
07:20No, I'm not a control freak.
07:21You don't want to let them go.
07:22Yes, you do.
07:22Why do you don't want to let them go?
07:23Well, I don't know.
07:24Because I'm protecting them from like...
07:25For what?
07:26There's never been anything.
07:27Drugs.
07:28Paperwork.
07:28What about when you...
07:28I've just done a drugs test for y'all.
07:29I don't hear what you've done.
07:30Because I knew he was going to pull that stunt.
07:31Oh, yeah, I will.
07:32Yeah.
07:32Don't worry.
07:33Pull another stunt.
07:34I will.
07:35Some big old boys.
07:36So are you violent towards the daughter?
07:38I'm not violent, no.
07:38Then why the hell are your kids living with your ex-girlfriend's mother, then?
07:42Because I've been shut up from day one.
07:43Shut up?
07:44Shut up from day one.
07:45From day one.
07:46Go to court, get a job, prove you're a dad, but you haven't, have you?
07:49I've tried to do this, me.
07:50And I haven't got the money to keep doing it.
07:52I have to live every week as well.
07:53Social services report I read, pal, said you're at risk to those kids.
07:57I read it.
07:58Because they're lies.
07:59Oh, what?
08:00So the social workers are lying?
08:01No, they're lies.
08:02So the court are lying.
08:03You should be on your knees saying thank you to this woman for bringing your kids up.
08:06Otherwise they'd be in the system.
08:08I do thank God, but I'm always there every time trying to get access for my kids.
08:12My kids mean everything to me.
08:13Really?
08:14Well, why haven't you managed?
08:14Because you don't let me do it.
08:16Answer that, Jane.
08:17You've got to talk to her, not me, pal.
08:19Why don't you let me out?
08:20Do you know why?
08:21Because I don't trust you.
08:22You started saying to me.
08:24I'm the dad.
08:24I don't care.
08:25You're not a dad.
08:25I am the dad to their kids.
08:26You've not been there from day one.
08:27No, you've not been there from day one.
08:29No, because you won't let me.
08:29No, because I won't let you.
08:30You and you, Oswald, don't let me.
08:32Janelle says you might not be the father of the youngest.
08:34What's that about?
08:35Well, since I was born, I've been the dad.
08:37So why all of a sudden...
08:38When was the last time you saw your kids?
08:39You haven't been a dad since the day they was born.
08:42Stop sagging her down.
08:44You want to stop sagging her down, Tom, I'm telling you?
08:46Not yet.
08:47It's all lies, mate.
08:48It's not all lies.
08:49I've been there every day for...
08:51It's not all lies.
08:52It's not all lies.
08:53It's not all lies.
08:54It's from the past.
08:55No, I don't care whether it's the past.
08:57I'm a changed person.
08:57I'm a changed man now.
08:59Hold on, hold on.
09:00You're a changed man from what?
09:01You just said you hadn't behaved badly.
09:03What have you changed from?
09:05They don't want about the beginning.
09:05What?
09:05They don't want about the beginning.
09:06Well, tell me about the beginning.
09:07What did you do?
09:08Calling my daughter.
09:10What?
09:10And you don't make sense of saying you call my mum?
09:13You say you're going to get people come out of my mum's house.
09:15Oh, be quiet a minute.
09:16And I've been threatened to be put in a car boot.
09:18Is it true you threatened to firebomb the house?
09:21No, it's not true.
09:22Yes, it is.
09:22That's why we've got a five-proof letterbox.
09:24Well, back when you turned around and said to Chanel.
09:26Well, I didn't see it the week.
09:27It's a white one on the inside of the door.
09:30You used to call mine every Sunday.
09:31There was no letterbox here.
09:33Oh, it's been there for over a year.
09:34Come to my house, then, now, and have a look.
09:37Oh, has it recently been put in, is it?
09:38No, phone the firebomb.
09:39Why are you not on the birth certificate?
09:41Because they won't let me.
09:42Why isn't he on the birth certificate, Jane?
09:44Because he's not having no control over these children.
09:46That's why he's not on it.
09:47The problem is, darling, I've got to be straight,
09:49because there's certain things that I always will do the same way.
09:51Yeah, I know what you like.
09:51If he is the biological father, whether or not you dislike him,
09:54and whether or not you decide through the social services report,
09:58and because you're their guardian to not allow him,
10:00they have to know the truth.
10:01That's an absolute, that's a must.
10:03I've got a pile of reports, and you've seen them.
10:05Those kids will know the truth.
10:06You see, why would she have, why would she have control of these kids?
10:11I've never had a chance.
10:12They stopped me.
10:12What do you mean?
10:13People don't just take your kids away by making up.
10:15Well, they are, have they?
10:16So you've done nothing wrong?
10:17I haven't talked to kids.
10:18I haven't done nothing wrong not to see my kids.
10:20You know what I mean?
10:21Have you done anything wrong to her daughter?
10:23No, never.
10:24You sure about that?
10:25I've never been convicted.
10:26What's your husband called?
10:26Simon.
10:27Simon, her husband's next plus double DMA.
10:29Don't go anywhere.
10:30Right back.
10:31You've never been making them kids.
10:32Never.
10:33Right?
10:33Where's all the footage gone from?
10:35You don't let the footage gone from the door.
10:35You don't let the footage gone from the door.
10:37Don't keep telling me nothing to me.
10:38You let the footage gone from the door someday.
10:39I've never let them die.
10:41Where's the footage gone from?
10:42Where's the footage gone from?
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11:22And welcome back for the break talking to Jane and Tom.
11:25You say guardianship of those two kids.
11:28My daughter can't be here because of the impact that this relationship had on her.
11:31But I'm as strong with her as I am with him.
11:33Social service reports said you didn't cope.
11:35The kids were, I've got them.
11:36I'm bringing them up with my husband.
11:38You say you've always been pushed out.
11:39I've always been pushed out.
11:40Why would social services have you pushed out unless there was something tangible there?
11:45There's nothing.
11:46So you've never hit her daughter?
11:47Never, ever hit her daughter.
11:49All right, answer me one question.
11:50Rambo's ashes, I've never hit her.
11:52I would not hit women.
11:53Well then why has he stopped then, Jane?
11:55You've got to help me out here.
11:56Ask me one question.
11:57Answer me one.
11:58How many times did you turn up at court to fight for him?
12:00Every time I could.
12:01Every single time.
12:02There's probably once that I missed.
12:04Once.
12:05But I'm not asking you anything.
12:07No, you never went to court at court.
12:08You went once.
12:17Why would social services describe you as a risk and say you can...
12:22I have no idea, but I have never, ever hit a woman.
12:26I don't believe that there's not more to this one.
12:28Well, I've never hit a woman.
12:29I've never hit a woman.
12:30Simon's on the Jeremy Karzner that way.
12:38You've never been there with them kids.
12:40Never.
12:40Right?
12:41Where's all the bruises gone from at the door?
12:43You don't let them.
12:43Where's the bruises gone from at the door?
12:44Don't give me nothing to me.
12:45You know it every Sunday.
12:47I never let them die.
12:48Where's the bruises gone?
12:49Where's the bruises gone?
12:50Off the girl.
12:51Off the girl.
12:51I don't know who she knows.
12:52Ask the other men that she's not in the room.
12:56Yeah, right.
12:58She goes on every weekend.
13:00Different girls.
13:02She's going to different s*** every day.
13:03You're bad news.
13:04You're bad news.
13:05Hit me on live television.
13:06Do you know something?
13:06I wouldn't waste my energy on you.
13:09That's why you just didn't move.
13:10Why are you calling her a s***?
13:11Called much worse off.
13:13Much worse off.
13:13What are you, Glenn?
13:14What am I?
13:15Yeah, what are you?
13:15I'm a person trying to change.
13:16You're a muppet.
13:17I'm trying to change.
13:18I'm trying to change.
13:18I'm trying to change.
13:20The muppet is you starting to change me.
13:22Yeah, we are.
13:23Yeah.
13:23Yeah, we are.
13:24Showing your true colours now.
13:25Yeah, we are.
13:26I'm just getting agitated.
13:27That's what I feel like.
13:27What happens when you get agitated then?
13:29Well, I don't know.
13:29Do you get violent, Tom?
13:30No, I don't get violent.
13:31I just say stupid.
13:33You keep saying change and I keep saying to myself, I'm trying to give you the benefit
13:35of the doubt.
13:35I have changed very much.
13:36You should want to answer the one question.
13:37Change from what?
13:38Change from being a drugger and not doing it and everything.
13:42So you're a drugger?
13:43I've talked drugs, yeah.
13:44I'll admit.
13:44I will admit because I am a man enough to admit of my mistakes and I have come far of
13:48what I
13:48have achieved.
13:49I now have a job.
13:50I've cut down on the cannabis more than 50%.
13:54The one thing.
13:55I've cut down loads.
13:57So you're still taking drugs, yeah?
13:58I do.
13:59I do now and then.
14:00I have a spliff, yeah.
14:02You don't pay for your kids but you smoke drugs.
14:04Don't let me pay for the kids.
14:05They say they don't want nothing.
14:06They say the kids don't need nothing.
14:08They don't need nothing off you.
14:09And I'm always asking them.
14:11If I was...
14:12I've got messages on my mobile and I'm home to prove loads of times.
14:15We'll do the DNA in a minute because there's doubt.
14:17If I was doing...
14:18If I was you, I would do everything in my power to prove everybody wrong and that would
14:22mean I wouldn't take any drugs.
14:24What?
14:24This is why I'm here today to try to prove everyone that I'm a changed man.
14:27So I've just saw the results of the drugs test.
14:29You're such a changed man that your drugs test shows that you take cannabis, yeah?
14:33Well, I've just talked about drugs tests.
14:34I don't know what I'm...
14:35No, you failed for cannabis.
14:36I failed for cannabis.
14:38The drugs test has shown that you smoke cannabis, yeah?
14:40Yeah, and I've admitted that.
14:41That's a drug, you donut.
14:43Yeah.
14:43You should jump in that.
14:44So why wouldn't you give that up to prove that you can be a father?
14:48They've never given me the chance.
14:50So, you know what I mean?
14:50They've never given me a chance.
14:51Like I said, when I read this this morning, my thing, Jane, was...
14:54I mean, completely honest, I said they've made this up.
14:57They're being unfair, right?
14:59Your daughter, you told us, literally mentioned this some weeks ago.
15:02You're just here doing what's right.
15:04What about her daughter?
15:05Why is it always me that's getting this thing?
15:06I don't see your daughter trying to get closer to that.
15:09Do you know the most interesting thing I've heard for a long time on this show?
15:11She said, if the daughter had lied to you and to them and the youngest one wasn't yours,
15:16she said she'll be seeing him in my damn contact centre as well,
15:19because I'm not having my daughter.
15:21Yeah, now.
15:21That's what she said, Arie.
15:23If she's lied to me, about Rupert.
15:23How about this for three and a half years, then?
15:25How can you have it for three and a half years?
15:27The DNA test is on show that Tom.
15:28You are the child's biological father.
15:31The eldest child.
15:32Right?
15:33The eldest.
15:33The real dad's the youngest one.
15:35When she told you this a couple of weeks ago, what was your reaction?
15:37Was it out of the blue?
15:38I've had a feeling for a long time that she's not, but I'm open to God she's not.
15:42And is she saying she thinks he's not, or just there's some confusion?
15:46What does this mean?
15:47Everything.
15:47Them kids mean everything to me.
15:49The DNA test is on show that Tom, the youngest is yours as well.
15:54Well, that's her work.
15:55It was all a lie, wasn't it?
15:57I told you I was.
15:57Did I start it?
15:59You lied.
15:59I told you she's lying.
16:01Whose mouth did it come out of?
16:02Well, you believed it.
16:03Whenever, guess what?
16:04You're not seeing the kids, right?
16:06I want access.
16:08I've had enough of this.
16:09I want to be in my kid's life, Jeremy.
16:10Do you know something?
16:11I want to be in my kid's life.
16:12Listen, when I last went to court and got a special guardianship over those kids, the
16:16judge said, if you want to see them, go through court.
16:19Can I ask you a question?
16:21Right, well, I'll get the...
16:21Ask you a question.
16:24Supervised in a contact centre.
16:25Yeah, for an hour a month, and that's all he will get.
16:28No, no, no.
16:28Let's just, let's just, because I actually buy you, but this is, this is, this is the real
16:34crux, because I think that you are far more than I thought you were going to be, and I'm
16:37being honest.
16:38And I think if you put those kids at the front of your mind, which you've done,
16:42I think the next question is, is obvious.
16:45I don't think you should stipulate.
16:48I think that you care about them enough to, look, obviously there's right and wrong on
16:52both sides, okay?
16:53Yeah, there is.
16:54The cannabis is ridiculous, you idiot.
16:56You idiot.
16:57I am an idiot.
16:57Shut up, you idiot.
16:58I would admit that.
16:59You'd have been here, I'd have been saying thank you, I'd have been drug free, I'd have
17:03been admitting my mistakes, go away and learn what it means to make an effort and prove you
17:08want to be a dad.
17:08I'm saying, if you put with our help some criteria in place, be drug free, don't slag
17:15people off in a contact centre, you won't lose anything.
17:19If he is a waste of space, you can show them forever, babe.
17:24You can show them forever.
17:26An hour a month is not enough.
17:27I wouldn't even make that premise.
17:28She's a happy person, my daughter as well.
17:29Yeah, I think, and this is what you need to hold on to.
17:32And this is why this woman gets my support.
17:35She ain't just saying that about you, Tom.
17:37She's saying this toxic relationship created two kids that was fought on both sides and
17:41the victims are her grandchildren and she ain't letting anybody get near them that she
17:47feels because of past behaviour will mess them up.
17:51That is how a mother and a father should be.
17:54Only in this story, it's a grandmother because you and your girlfriend messed the whole thing
17:58up, right?
17:59But I'm here today.
18:00And I know she's not here and you have to give that to him.
18:03He's here.
18:04And I want to say to him, not it's an open book, prove yourself.
18:09Set some criteria for the sake of the kids and do you understand?
18:14One chance, please.
18:14And do you understand?
18:15Yeah, well, I'm excited you had them, Tom.
18:16No, no, you let me see them.
18:18No, I'm excited you had them.
18:19No, listen.
18:20Listen to Jane.
18:20Listen to Jane.
18:21You called me an old bag the other day saying that I was too old to bring these kids up.
18:25I've never said it like that, did I?
18:26It's all right.
18:27Do you want the phone?
18:27I said you're getting to an age where you want to live your life.
18:29My age.
18:30My age has got nothing to do with it.
18:32Can I ask you a question?
18:34Jane, can I put you and him together with Graham?
18:36Not him.
18:37Oh, no, no, no.
18:38I'm not sitting in the same room as them.
18:40I've talked to Graham, but I'm not sitting in the same room as them.
18:42I just want them to be in my kid's life.
18:44Will you give him a chance?
18:45Will you give us a chance to try and organise a contact centre?
18:49That's good.
18:50Do you understand something?
18:51No drugs, no slagging, no verbals.
18:54Everybody makes mistakes, but if they are your focus, you should say thank you to them for what they're doing.
18:59I will.
19:00Thanking you now, please, I will not let you down.
19:03It's got one chance.
19:04She says you'll get it.
19:05We'll sort it out.
19:06Make sure you don't let them down.
19:07Thank you very much.
19:08I think you are an amazing grandmother.
19:10Go that way.
19:11Thank you very much indeed.
19:17You might remember my next guest from an earlier encounter on this very stage.
19:21Take a look at this, my friends.
19:24You're with Martin and you have a flat, apartment, whatever you want to go.
19:28Oh, there's Martin back.
19:29There she is.
19:30Martin's coming.
19:33One thing here, Mike.
19:34She's not a prostitute.
19:35Now, neither am I.
19:36I'm going to expose her today, Mike.
19:38We'll see, won't we?
19:38Yeah, we'll see.
19:39So he's going to give you the key today.
19:41And you've made her do a line of tension to prove that she's not a prostitute.
19:44Right, she's back.
19:45Claire's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
19:52I am not.
19:53Why are you going to get on your criminal record, you stupid...
19:56It's gone from...
19:57Oh, you get your criminal record.
20:00You're still in love with him.
20:01No, I'm not.
20:01Then why don't you run for the hills?
20:03She said no.
20:04She was telling the truth.
20:06She's not a prostitute.
20:08This is going to go on and on.
20:11And every time it happens, the world is going to say,
20:14as though we sit in love with Martin.
20:16Let them go on with their lives done.
20:19Now, since then, since Claire proves she's not a prostitute,
20:22she says she's desperate to marry the love of a life, Martin,
20:25but can't until he now takes the lie detector test.
20:27She's got suspicions he might have cheated and says,
20:29if he's done anything, he's gone.
20:32I'm going to spend Christmas on my own.
20:35Is her husband to be a cheat?
20:37Claire's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
20:49I've got a little present for you, by the way.
20:51What's that?
20:52Thank you for helping out on the other shows.
20:54And a little Oscar.
20:55A little Oscar.
20:57Sit down.
20:58How are you?
20:59What are you wearing?
21:02Well, this is basically what I would wear on my wedding day.
21:07What is wrong with you lot?
21:09I know I come from a different planet.
21:10You look like you're going to a funeral.
21:12What's the matter with you, woman?
21:13At the end of the day, a wedding day is not about what everyone else wants.
21:16Listen, you have been accused of being a prostitute,
21:18and frankly, if you wore white, that would be a bit dodgy, wouldn't it, to be fair?
21:21I don't like white.
21:22You don't like white?
21:22No.
21:23Where's your veil?
21:24Out back.
21:25I was quite nervous to bring it on.
21:27Well, I think you haven't got any nerves.
21:28Can you bring the...
21:29Graham, let's get Graham.
21:30Graham, you bring the veil on.
21:32Let's get Graham.
21:32Bring the veil on.
21:34Bring the veil on.
21:36Graham, Graham, Graham.
21:38Graham, Graham, Graham.
21:46Here comes the bride.
21:49When she knows.
21:50There you go.
21:54You didn't think I'd do that, did you?
21:57Why have you brought that?
21:58He's not going to marry you today.
22:00I've done some weird stuff on this show, but I can't marry you.
22:02No, I know.
22:03But you love him.
22:04Yeah, I love him to bits.
22:06But I feel very insecure, so I need to know before we get married.
22:10Has he asked you to get married?
22:11Yes.
22:14He's there a cry.
22:15I don't understand.
22:15So, you're not going to a funeral.
22:17You want to be marrying the man of your dreams,
22:19but you say, I passed, now I need to know.
22:22And if he does, you're going to set a date?
22:23Yes.
22:24Actually, I'll tell you what we'll do.
22:25Right?
22:25You get your veil on.
22:27Right?
22:27Seriously.
22:28We'll go to a break.
22:29Will, you get the lie detector results.
22:32Martin, you stand by.
22:34Graham's going to go and buy a hat.
22:35You get your veil on.
22:36Back in a minute.
22:37Don't go anywhere.
22:38So, if you fail this, it'll be like a dagger throw up.
22:41Ow, heart.
22:42Going to pass?
22:43Yeah.
22:54Welcome back to my world.
22:55Before the break, I met Claire.
22:56She came on the show before to prove she hadn't behaved in an inappropriate way,
23:00and she says Martin's the love of her life.
23:01She's come back today because she wants to marry him.
23:03She arrived in what she said she'd wear for her wedding,
23:06which is a black dress with a veil and some flowers, several tattoos, and a big smile on her face.
23:11Martin, on the other hand, has got to pass a lie detector,
23:13and if he does pass it, they're going to set a date.
23:15So, the big question is, can Martin...
23:17I've lost the will to live.
23:18Martin's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
23:28Why have you done this lie detector?
23:33Something new.
23:34Something new to me.
23:35What's the relationship?
23:36I don't know why.
23:37You love her, don't you?
23:38Yeah, I do.
23:38The relationship is good.
23:40Right.
23:42But she doesn't trust you?
23:45That's the first I know about.
23:47All I want to do...
23:48You've just done a lie detector.
23:50It's not the first you damn well knew about it.
23:52You must have realised there was tension.
23:54No.
23:54None at all?
23:56Oi, bright to be, get out of here now.
23:57Give her a round of applause, actually.
23:59This is what she's going to look like.
24:00Look at this.
24:00Look, look, look, look, look.
24:10I can't eat.
24:14What?
24:15What did she say to her?
24:16I said to her, why put me in this situation?
24:18You know, you know, from everything that's...
24:20You may kiss the bride.
24:23Not yet.
24:23No, you might fail, then you're going to be kicked out of the building.
24:26You know, from everything that I've gone on in my past life, right, that you know I have trust issues.
24:31And I have told you that before.
24:33Yeah, where does that lead me?
24:33You know I love you to bits, and I always will.
24:37But why all of a sudden you want me to...
24:39I've done it, yeah, right?
24:40Yeah.
24:41And...
24:41Are you going to pass?
24:42Yeah.
24:43At the end of the day, it just proves that it's me...
24:46I'm sure it's called the Jeremy Carl Show.
24:48It just proves to me that...
24:49I get on the top of the Christmas tree.
24:51That proves to you, yeah, right?
24:51That I am imagining things.
24:54We're not being...
24:54Yeah, imagining things.
24:55Exactly, yeah?
24:56But I do not know.
24:57You're not saying it.
25:07That's not a joke.
25:08I'm not a joke.
25:09You're not a joke.
25:10Right?
25:11I need to know before we get married...
25:13I've got an offer.
25:14That...
25:15Yeah, I...
25:15That's right, I'm a joke.
25:16Yeah, you're not a joke.
25:18Right?
25:18So, if you fail this, it'll be like a dagger throw up our hearts.
25:22Going to pass?
25:23Yeah.
25:24Sure?
25:24Yeah.
25:24You want me to take it from your heart?
25:26What?
25:27That's a nice...
25:31This could be wonderful.
25:33Be lovely and Christmassy in a black dress.
25:37You know the fact you're right.
25:38Since the start of your relationship with Claire,
25:40have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
25:42Martin said no.
25:44Why did you say no?
25:45Teen truth.
25:46He was telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen!
25:50I'm not a type of teen.
25:51I'm not a kid.
25:53Aularicious!
25:54Oh, and be true!
26:00I got ¡Prude!
26:00¡My dogs!
26:00What are you torBues?
26:01Since...
26:01You haven't passed the rest yet!
26:03What happens if he gets the full house?
26:08You're failed to be off.
26:09Love, since the start of your relationship with Clare, have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
26:13You said no. Why did you say no?
26:16Teen truth.
26:17Are you sure?
26:18I hope so.
26:21I was all... I'd just go in here and do the test and the assignment and ask me loads of
26:25questions.
26:26Have you groped anyone?
26:27No.
26:28He was telling the truth.
26:34Since the start of your relationship with Clare, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
26:38Your Christmas, your life, everything depends on this.
26:41Martin said no. Why did you say no?
26:44Teen truth.
26:44You can marry him. It's a fallout.
27:04When are you going to get married?
27:06When are you going to get married?
27:07It's not an ASAP thing.
27:09You don't want to marry her, do you?
27:10Yeah, I do.
27:10Yes, I do want to marry her.
27:11Well, get on with it, then, you miserable gits.
27:13It's not an ASAP thing. We don't know how to rush into things.
27:15I know you say next year.
27:17Yeah.
27:17Yeah?
27:18How about next decade? Is that what you're trying to say?
27:20How about next day, if you had it?
27:22You want to get married tomorrow?
27:23Right.
27:24Just add her away, yeah.
27:25No, end of May time.
27:27End of May, mate.
27:28End of May.
27:28I hope you have a fantastic Christmas.
27:30He was telling the truth.
27:31Forget everybody else.
27:32Enjoy it.
27:33And that's what she's going to look like on your wedding day.
27:35Yeah, she told me.
27:36Isn't that lovely, eh?
27:37That's good.
27:37Beautiful, beautiful end.
27:38Yeah.
27:39You'll never be able to go out again.
27:40You'll never have any money.
27:41You'll be my other to help.
27:42It'll be fantastic.
27:43I'm only joking.
27:43Happy Christmas.
27:44Get out of here.
27:44Go, go, go.
27:45Go away.
27:50Good luck to them.
27:51Right, my next guest today, Alicia, is here to confront the mother whom she says has never
27:55spent, check this, a single Christmas with her, and she's 16.
27:59Now, Alicia was abandoned by her mum as a baby and says that since then, her mum has made
28:03no effort with her, putting men, drugs and alcohol before her own daughter today.
28:07Alicia is desperate for answers but says that, really, this has to be her mother's final chance.
28:12You know, sometimes we have 16, 17-year-olds on and you will be concerned.
28:15This girl is not only incredibly brave but incredibly switched on as well.
28:19Alicia is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
28:28Really nice to meet you.
28:30I wanted to start in that way, actually, because a lot of people, and naturally, because there
28:34are things that have to be done in a certain way on television and you're 16 years of age.
28:40So I start with, are you happy to do this, you all right?
28:42Yep, I'm fully happy to do this.
28:45Switched on.
28:49Anne-Marie's your mum, Jason is your dad, Jenna is your aunt in the audience who's done
28:54a spectacular job with you.
28:56Today I want answers.
28:57I want to know why my mother neglected me for all of my life.
29:01Tell me what you know.
29:02Um, I know that, um, well, it says in here that, um, when I was, like, a baby.
29:08These social services, wasn't it?
29:10Um, when I was a baby I was, like, laying on the settee with, like, staff described it.
29:15Filthy state, covered with bits of tobacco.
29:18And the house, like...
29:19The staff were also aware that the house, again, smelled strongly of cannabis.
29:23Yeah.
29:24You were taken into care.
29:25Yeah, and then my nan had me, like, at the age of six months.
29:30So you grew up?
29:31Yeah.
29:32I grew up without her, like...
29:34Were you told that your nan was bringing you up?
29:37Yeah.
29:37I was fully aware that she was bringing me up.
29:40Did your mum have any involvement at all?
29:42No.
29:43She just literally abused my nan because my nan was, like, my nan was, like, my idol.
29:49And, obviously, my mum was jealous of her.
29:52Like, she couldn't be there, but it was her own fault.
29:54Did you ever turn up for Christmas?
29:55No.
29:55Nothing.
29:56Christmas, Christmas...
29:57She said she would turn up, but then I'd, like, wait on my window and wait for her to turn
30:01up,
30:01and then she just never turned up, so...
30:03Bromar, I mean, Bromar, I read this this morning.
30:05You said, my biggest dream in the world is to spend a Christmas with my mum.
30:07I mean, I do this slightly differently, and I'm taking into consideration your age,
30:11but where the hell has she been?
30:13Your grandmother sadly died, and that was horrific for you,
30:15and then Jenna in the audience, who deserves another massive round of applause.
30:18She's brought her up since then.
30:19Fantastic.
30:24Are you heartbroken, angry, desperate, what?
30:28I'm not, like, desperate.
30:29I can live my life without her.
30:31If she doesn't want to show effort to be in my life, then that's fair enough.
30:35And what does that make you think, as a young woman growing into...
30:38It makes me...
30:39There's...
30:40Goodness.
30:41There's your mother.
30:43What does it make you think?
30:44Do you feel sorry for her?
30:45Do you feel angry with her?
30:46I feel angry more than anything, that she hasn't been in, like, my life.
30:50Like, she hasn't been there for me.
30:51Like, she's missed everything.
30:53She's missed my prom, my first heartbreak, like, my first boyfriend.
30:56Like, my, like, prom.
30:58You've had a boyfriend already?
31:01Well, we're not having that.
31:02Don't tell me you were 16 and never had a girlfriend.
31:04Sorry, say that again.
31:05Don't tell me you were, like, 16 and never had a girlfriend.
31:08It's not about me, this show.
31:10Don't try it on with me, smarty pants.
31:14What's the day about, sweetheart? You're fantastic.
31:16Getting answers from my mum.
31:18What if you don't?
31:19Well, if I don't, I don't.
31:20I just got to leave her there and I got to show that I'm not putting effort in like I
31:27used to.
31:27Basically, what you said to my team, which I think is incredible for your age,
31:30I will do this for the right reasons, but this really is it.
31:33I then have to look after myself and move on with my life.
31:37Yeah, if I'm...
31:38If I don't get the answers today, then I got to leave her where she stands
31:42because my family, Jenna and her children and my dad,
31:46are, like, more important to me because they've showed me, like, care and respect
31:50so I have to focus on them.
31:52Well, I'll tell you something.
31:52I'll tell you something.
31:54I do know...
31:55APPLAUSE
31:57..me and a lot of people on this show,
31:59you're 16, your mother should be ashamed
32:01because you have turned out incredibly...
32:04Anne-Marie's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
32:14All right.
32:16All right.
32:17All right.
32:17Is that what you say to your daughter, is it?
32:22You start with sorry, would you love, or what?
32:24I have said sorry.
32:26When?
32:27On the phone, many times.
32:28Oh, many times.
32:29Why didn't you change your life?
32:30That's a 16-year-old girl and you ain't been around.
32:32Why haven't you been around, love?
32:33Because the family...
32:34Sorry?
32:34The family's pushed me out.
32:36They haven't given me a chance to.
32:37Mum, it's got nothing to do with the family.
32:39This is your fault.
32:40This is your fault.
32:41And you should take full responsibility for it.
32:43Yeah, I guess so.
32:48You're the one who left and put money, drugs, and men before my kids.
32:53My kids?
32:53Your kids.
32:55So, Jenna and my nan and my dad have had to step up
32:58and look after me while you couldn't be able to.
33:01No.
33:01Yeah.
33:01They pushed me out, Delisha.
33:03They never pushed you out.
33:04Yeah, they did.
33:04Yeah, they did.
33:04Yeah, they did.
33:05Jenna, have you got a microphone?
33:06Shut your mouth up.
33:07Have you got a microphone?
33:08Mum.
33:08What did you just say?
33:09Shut her mouth at all.
33:10Well, why don't you open your mouth
33:12and thank her for bringing up your kids?
33:15Do you want to come down here?
33:17You're having a go at her
33:18because you're too busy on your back taking drugs, my darling.
33:21No.
33:22She's amazing.
33:22So, I wouldn't have a go at her.
33:24I'd be saying thank you.
33:25You kissed me.
33:26Unbelievable.
33:26You kissed me.
33:28You kissed me.
33:29You kissed me.
33:31You kissed me.
33:32Hey, take a breath.
33:34What did she say?
33:35It's all on that letter.
33:36You never turned up.
33:37Her first birthday.
33:38She's seen me for 10 minutes.
33:40She's seen me for 10 minutes.
33:40My mother, Alicia's nan, said come back later for her first birthday party.
33:44It says in here.
33:45And she didn't show up.
33:46What sort of mother has she been?
33:48She promised me to come back and she never.
33:49What sort of mother?
33:50She's been with me for four, maybe five years.
33:53And every time Mamrie have said I'm coming down, she don't turn up.
33:56And then I'm left to pick the pieces up.
33:58Why are you shaking your head?
33:59Why are you shaking your head?
34:01You blame the family.
34:02Your mother brought her up.
34:03Now you blame her.
34:04She's brought her up.
34:05This is your doing.
34:06Yeah, I'm grateful for them bringing her up.
34:09They haven't let me have any contact.
34:09Where have you been?
34:11I've been around.
34:12They haven't let you have contact.
34:13No, every time I've gone here, they phone you please to get me arrested to take me from there.
34:16But you're a druggie and an alcoholic.
34:18Oh, so?
34:19Sorry, you're not.
34:20So?
34:21I have had help.
34:21Jeremy, I've been clean for three years.
34:24I have tried.
34:25Tried, tried, tried, tried, and tried, and tried.
34:27They all gang up on me.
34:28Nah, nah.
34:28I disagree with you.
34:29So what?
34:29They've drummed it.
34:31They've drummed Alicia.
34:32Go on, Jeremy, what do you want to say?
34:33I'll tell you.
34:34You just know their side.
34:35You don't know my side.
34:36Well, tell me that.
34:37I'm near to the sun.
34:38What is your side, then?
34:40Well, I haven't had a very good upbringing myself, Jeremy.
34:43Well, that should have taught you not to have abandoned your own kid at three weeks of age.
34:47Yes, you don't.
34:51Put out the people who have a bad start and then learn from it and do something.
34:56Why do people like you always feel sorry for themselves?
34:59I don't.
35:00Yes, you do.
35:00No, I don't.
35:01Full of self-pity.
35:02No, not at all.
35:03I take full responsibility.
35:05She is the person who's missed out because you're a selfish mare.
35:07That's why.
35:08No.
35:09So, you know when you had a man or you had drink or you had drugs,
35:12what did you think was happening to her?
35:14Well, I was phoning to find out.
35:15No one would tell me.
35:16I didn't even know if I would have done that.
35:17You haven't spent one Christmas with her.
35:19No, you're such a liar.
35:20No, because I haven't had a chance to.
35:21You are such a liar.
35:22I'll mail you on Facebook.
35:24Sorry, I know you don't like Facebook.
35:25But I'll mail you.
35:26I like anything you say.
35:28I think you're amazing.
35:31You're not even sorry to your kid, are you?
35:33I am, yeah.
35:35I'll mail you on Facebook.
35:36Because I'm sorry.
35:36Well, I'm sorry.
35:37You're a liar, though, aren't you?
35:38No.
35:38You couldn't even spell.
35:39Why?
35:39How do you spell truth?
35:41T-R-U-T-H.
35:42Yeah.
35:43How long have you been clean for?
35:44Three years.
35:45Yeah, want to tell your daughter something then or what?
35:47What?
35:48Go on, then.
35:49That I've relapsed.
35:50Sorry?
35:51That I've relapsed.
35:52Back on what?
35:53Drugs.
35:53Not clean, then?
35:54No.
35:56What drugs are that, then?
35:57Heroin.
35:58Brilliant.
35:58There.
35:58She already said that.
36:00About two months.
36:02You're a disgrace as a mother.
36:04You're a disgrace as a mother.
36:05Do you know that?
36:06Yeah.
36:08Can't even look at your daughter.
36:09Do you know this is your last chance?
36:09You know that, don't you?
36:10Yeah.
36:11Like, if you, like, because you're on drugs now,
36:13I don't want nothing to do with you now,
36:15because you're on drugs.
36:16There's the answer then, Leisha.
36:17Are you going?
36:17You're running away again.
36:19Yeah, yeah.
36:19Run away, then.
36:20I am.
36:20What about facing up to your stuff?
36:23I've faced up to it.
36:24What am I meant to do, Jeremy?
36:25I've faced up to it.
36:26Run away, then, you waste of space.
36:27Go on, run away.
36:28You know, mother, you don't deserve a kid like that.
36:31Do one, not interested.
36:34Unbelievable.
36:36Is that what she does?
36:37Yeah, practically.
36:38I'm going to do this differently.
36:39I'm going to go to a break, because I've got an idea.
36:41Do me a favor.
36:42Go to a break.
36:42Back in a minute.
36:43Don't go anywhere.
36:43But now I know that you're back on drugs,
36:45I don't want anything to do with you.
36:46When I get home, I'm deleting your number,
36:48deleting you off Facebook, everything.
36:49I do not want nothing to do with you.
36:51So you're going to put drugs, yeah?
36:52No, I'm not going to get drugs.
36:53Really?
36:53I'm going to get to you, and I'm going to...
36:55How are you going to get clean?
36:56How are you going to get clean?
36:58You need to go to rehab or something.
37:00Guess what for her for Christmas?
37:02She's got no idea.
37:03Guess what?
37:13Welcome back for the break.
37:15Quite possibly the best 16-year-old we've ever had on this show.
37:17Amazing.
37:18I'm so sorry.
37:19That's your mother.
37:20Not one Christmas ever with you.
37:22Nothing.
37:22Has picked drink, drugs, and men.
37:24I've wished to spend Christmas with her,
37:26but it's just never happened.
37:28She just told you on the show,
37:29I was clean for three years,
37:30but I just told you she's been back on her own.
37:32I don't have nothing to do with her now.
37:33Back on her own for two months.
37:34Your dad, I want to point this out,
37:36because this for me is the absolute polar opposite
37:38of this horrendous human being.
37:39Her dad, Jason, freely admits,
37:42when he was young, he wasn't the greatest dad,
37:45but his mum got it into his head.
37:47He had the most horrific accident, didn't he?
37:49How many years ago?
37:51In 2013.
37:52Very, very nearly died.
37:54Quite bad accident.
37:55Close to dying.
37:56Very close to him now.
37:57He's been a good dad.
37:58Let's get Jason on the Jeremy Clark Show.
38:00Round of applause.
38:05APPLAUSE
38:16Jason, I know this is difficult for you.
38:18I know that physically and in many ways,
38:20that accident took its toll.
38:21What does this girl mean to you?
38:22She's my rock.
38:23She's the one who's got me through everything.
38:26Everything.
38:26I don't know, I'm going to cry.
38:27I can't help it.
38:28It's how I feel for you.
38:30I can't help it.
38:31When you see that walk away, what does that...
38:34It makes me angry.
38:35Because she could have made an effort
38:36of giving her some life of mother style.
38:40You know, being a mother to her,
38:42telling her what's right and what's wrong.
38:43She never had her.
38:45It was my mother which I had to teach her
38:46the right from wrong.
38:47I did go down, like, a bad path as well.
38:50My mother gave me the rules,
38:51so I stuck to the rules,
38:52and she's got the same rules as I had.
38:54Why do you still want that opportunity with your mother?
38:57Because, like, it's like my mum.
38:59I think everyone in the entire world
39:02needs their mum to rely on,
39:05but now I know that she's back on drugs,
39:06I don't want to rely on her.
39:08I've got Jenna to rely on.
39:09Jenna's my absolute world, and I love her.
39:14Do you want to come with us?
39:17I want to go...
39:18Are you all right?
39:19I want to talk...
39:19I don't understand this.
39:20Do you want to come with us?
39:21We're going to go...
39:21You don't want to come.
39:22Come with me.
39:23Let's go and find this one.
39:23Let's go this way, can't you?
39:25Let's grab that marker, can't you?
39:28Too many of you talking to me today.
39:31You all right?
39:32You all right, darling?
39:36This is where everyone hides, isn't it?
39:37Yeah, this is where they all run.
39:39Yeah.
39:41Jenna, I just want to say I absolutely love you.
39:44She does.
39:45I do love you.
39:46I watch you every day.
39:47Merry Christmas.
39:49What did you run off for?
39:51I don't know.
39:53I just did.
39:54This girl?
39:56I don't know what people expect me to do.
39:59Why are we here?
40:00I did want answers to, like...
40:02I did want her to be a part of my life, like...
40:05Because you haven't been around for me to, like, cry on your shoulder and that.
40:10But now I know that you're back on drugs.
40:11I don't want anything to do with you.
40:12When I go home, I'm deleting your number, deleting you off Facebook, everything.
40:15I do not want nothing to do with you.
40:17Now I know that you're back on drugs.
40:19You can go and live your life up in North Wales with your boyfriends that you've known for 15 months.
40:25Take drugs, inject that...
40:27..to your arm.
40:29..and then God knows what will happen to you.
40:33So...
40:34I've come, I've tried getting my point across, Alicia.
40:36No.
40:37I'm sorry.
40:38That's all I can say.
40:38I'm sorry.
40:39Do you want to pick drugs over, are you?
40:40I've tried.
40:41Sorry?
40:41You're going to pick drugs over, are you?
40:43No.
40:43But how is it that you can make scoring a priority or pulling your latest man, but you can't give
40:51her anything?
40:51That's what I don't understand.
40:53You've got money for all these drugs, Mum, and you've just got no money to come down and see me.
40:58It's not even that far.
40:59All you have to do is put, like, £40 in your petrol tank and drive.
41:03If I could drive, I'd come up and see you, but I can't drive.
41:06I'm only 16.
41:07Why are you not saying, oh, my God, Alicia, I'm really sorry, I've let you down, I want to change
41:12my life, I want to give up drugs, I want to make an effort?
41:15What?
41:15I do, I am.
41:16There's nothing about you that would inspire...
41:18You should be...
41:19I don't get this job sometimes.
41:21What do you want me to do?
41:23That's your kid.
41:25She's amazing.
41:26Why are you not?
41:28I don't understand.
41:30Why are you not going, Alicia, I've messed my life up?
41:34Don't go with one.
41:35Forget me.
41:36Forget everybody.
41:37Tell your...
41:37All right.
41:38Just do it differently.
41:40From your heart and soul, irrespective of what you've done, tell her.
41:44Talk to her.
41:45Nobody else.
41:46What does she mean?
41:47What do you want?
41:49I'd like to build a relationship with Alicia, but just me and you, I need your father and Jenna to
41:53back out.
41:53Because when I'm on the phone to you, it's like, you can hear him whispering in the background, asking this,
41:57asking and asking this.
41:57No, that's you, Mum.
41:58It's not from you.
41:59I'm always in my room.
42:00I need to be from you.
42:00I'm in my room when I'm on the phone to you.
42:03I never stay downstairs.
42:04The only time...
42:05Once I've got the same point of view as you, Jenna doesn't need to be involved.
42:09Jenna's got nothing to do with this.
42:10All Jenna have done is be there for me.
42:12I look after you.
42:13Would you appreciate that, same as your dad has?
42:15So why are you blaming my nan and Jenna for, like, you know, being a bad person?
42:19They're not bad people.
42:20You are the bad people.
42:21You've never been there.
42:22You were the ones that decided to move to North Wales.
42:25Yeah.
42:25You pushed me out, didn't you, Alicia?
42:26No.
42:27No.
42:28But why wouldn't you fight more if you felt the people...
42:32Let's take your side a minute and say they did try and push you out
42:34because they didn't like what you were or the influence that you might have on this kid.
42:37Surely if you loved you, you'd get your act together and your life straight
42:41and you'd fight back and say, this is what I want to give my kids.
42:44You've not done that.
42:45And you're back on drugs.
42:46How many drugs?
42:47No many.
42:49How many is no many?
42:51Just no many.
42:52Don't lie.
42:53How often are you taking heroin?
42:55Every day because I'm ill.
42:57Oh, you're ill.
42:58That's why you take heroin.
42:59There you are at home.
43:00This is an official public one.
43:01If you're ill, if you've got a cold or cough, don't take it.
43:03That was a ridiculous comment.
43:07I'm sorry, Alicia.
43:10That's all I can say.
43:11So you're going to pick drugs, yeah?
43:12I'm trying from today.
43:13No, I'm not going to pick drugs.
43:14Really?
43:14I'm going to try.
43:15I'm going to get clean and I'm going to...
43:16How are you going to get clean?
43:17How are you going to get clean?
43:20You need to go to rehab or something.
43:22Yeah.
43:23I know, Alicia.
43:24Guess what for her for Christmas?
43:26Guess what for her for Christmas?
43:27She's got no idea.
43:28Guess what?
43:29Guess what?
43:32What?
43:33What?
43:35He got you a rehab for Christmas.
43:39For her.
43:41OK, so it's a Christmas present to both of you, really.
43:46Because you heard what she said
43:47and the one condition she places upon this relationship
43:50is that you're clean of drugs.
43:52Right now, you're not clean of drugs.
43:54And you seem to be skirting around that issue.
43:56OK?
43:57You're talking about how many times you use...
43:59Effectively, you're a heroin addict.
44:01OK?
44:02Yeah.
44:02You've relapsed and you are now a heroin addict.
44:05Did you see the look of joy in her face when I said that?
44:09Does that not...
44:10Let's do this differently.
44:11Does that not tell you something?
44:14If they have pushed you out, sod them.
44:18Mm.
44:18That face says, look, if I could do this with his help,
44:22if I make some sacrifices, I'll get my kids back.
44:27But you won't.
44:28I will?
44:28No, you won't, cos you won't be spending Christmas at home.
44:30That's your damn fault.
44:31You're out of the way.
44:32You've got no-one up there, sorry, apart from your boyfriend.
44:36You're going from here in Manchester to Bournemouth
44:38for a minimum of six weeks.
44:39You ain't going home for Christmas, darling.
44:41You can get your kids back, but I'm selling you here and now.
44:44I'll tell you two things.
44:45If you don't take it, she will never talk to you again,
44:47and that's not me.
44:48And I'll tell you something else.
44:49If I get a phone call from him saying you haven't done it
44:53and there are thousands of people out here
44:55who want to change their lives,
44:57I will make sure she's...
44:59So, today...
45:00I'm doing it for her, mate, not her.
45:01Today, when you leave here,
45:03you're going to the Providence Project in Bournemouth.
45:05Try and go.
45:06Minimum of six weeks, OK?
45:08So you won't be home for Christmas.
45:10And again, I want to emphasise something.
45:12This is about abstinence.
45:14OK.
45:15When you make a commitment today
45:17to go to that project in Bournemouth,
45:20you have to make a commitment to yourself
45:22that for the rest of your life,
45:24you will be abstinent from drugs.
45:26You're not going to go, are you?
45:27Yeah?
45:29Basically, the question is,
45:30what do you want, drugs or your kid?
45:31Or your kids?
45:32Well, you have to put that off your own back.
45:35You have to prove that everyone...
45:36I'm the man of my work, come on, mate.
45:37You're going to rehab.
45:40Come on.
45:41What am I waiting for?
45:42Come on.
45:46You'll do this, trust me.
45:50She wanted me to pay for it.
45:52I want you to do this.
45:54It's not for me.
45:55Do it for yourself.
45:56I'd like you to do it as well.
45:57Because I offered you to come down
45:58and spend time with it.
46:00I've used to ignore it.
46:02That's me making efforts for you.
46:04Try it.
46:05We all try it.
46:09Why am I walking this way
46:10thinking you're not going to do this?
46:12I'm going to do it.
46:13You just need to prove to everyone
46:15that you will do it.
46:15The truth is you're not just going to get in the car
46:17and then just get out.
46:18No, no.
46:18I'm going to do this.
46:19Wouldn't I be better just giving this
46:20to somebody that really wants it?
46:21So not you.
46:22No, I don't really want it, Jeremy.
46:24I really need to change my life
46:26for my kids.
46:28You say it.
46:28I don't believe it.
46:29I'll let Graham make the call.
46:30Come on then.
46:31Let's do it.
46:32It's a lot of money, darling.
46:33You ain't going to get any better offer
46:34in your life.
46:47She does not want a relationship with you
46:49when you're using drugs.
46:51What is she saying today?
46:53She'll forgive your recent relapse
46:56when she will have a relationship with you
46:58if you are drug free.
47:00She still loves you, darling.
47:02I love you with all my heart.
47:04I'll never give up on you.
47:06I'll do anything to get you off drugs.
47:09I'll never give up on you.
47:11You need to convince me I'm wrong
47:12because I don't think she'll do it
47:14in a million years.
47:15Basically, the start is when I asked you
47:17to come down and spend some time
47:18and I would have known what you're doing
47:20and what you're not doing
47:21and I could have helped you get off it.
47:23Get away from it.
47:24Because here's your daughter at the end of the day.
47:26Yes or no?
47:27She loves you better.
47:27Say goodbye to your family.
47:29You're going to rehab.
47:42Best chance you'll ever get in your life.
47:44I promise you.
47:45All right.
47:46Thank you very much.
47:48Thanks, Keith.
47:55I hope so.
47:57I hope she does.
47:58Do you think she will?
47:59Yeah.
47:59I don't.
48:00I don't know.
48:02I'm in between 15 and 15.
48:02I want to be proven wrong
48:03but most of all,
48:04and I mean this,
48:05amazing 16-year-old
48:06and we did it for you
48:07and we will work with Graham
48:08and we hope we can make it work.
48:09I think what you're thinking is right.
48:10Well, maybe we'll be proven wrong.
48:12Thank you, G.
48:13Brilliant.
48:13Give him a round of applause.
48:14Thank you very much indeed.
48:18You know what?
48:19I'm cynical.
48:20Will she do it?
48:20Will she not?
48:21I don't know
48:21but for that 16-year-old,
48:23I hope she gets the Christmas present she wants.
48:25Her mum is going to rehab.
48:27We'll keep our fingers crossed.
48:28She sees it through.
48:28I am for this morning.
48:29I'll have time.
48:30We'll see you very soon.
48:30Thanks for watching.
48:31Take care.
48:31Bye-bye.
48:32Bye-bye.
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