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00:00On today's show...
00:02Sarah's saying that I can't see my son, she wants full control.
00:05Like, she lets me see him, then she takes him away for months, and then lets me see him again.
00:08So she plays God with the child's life?
00:10Yeah, exactly, yeah.
00:14Take your ties back, cos you haven't seen more, you saw nothing in five years, so take your ties away!
00:21You say she's a dirty cow, she's slept with 50 men in the space of three months.
00:25See that little boy? Do you see him? That's why I'm here for him.
00:28Not a million years, Debbie, hear me?
00:31How am I a waste of space when I'm the one that's brought him up for five years on me
00:34own?
00:35What have you brought for him, what? Some toys that you've got off these lot?
00:38Is it not?
00:40Debbie, take your ties.
00:44Today I want to confront Hope, she's a liar, and I'm gonna tell the world that she doesn't know who
00:49the father to her baby is.
00:52She's keep going on about my business, saying how my...
00:55What's your business?
00:56How my man's taking a joke when he's not.
00:59How am I a liar? How am I a liar?
01:02How am I a liar?
01:04Family drops you up in seconds!
01:06I'll show you love, man!
01:08Your DNA testers ought to show that Ryan...
01:33Hello, my friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:35Our first guest today, Derek, is here to confront his nightmare ex-partner, Sarah, whom he says he's more concerned
01:40about wanting to jump into bed with him than letting him have access to their son.
01:45He says he hates Sarah, who refuses to put his name on the birth certificate, and even goes further in
01:49saying he's actually concerned about his child being in her care today.
01:53He says I'm desperate for consistent access this Christmas, but I also want to prove that ex-Sarah is a
01:59lying cheat, who even slept with 50 men in the space of three months.
02:06All this, and they've been apart four years. Derek's on the Jeremy Karl Show that way!
02:18That's for me?
02:20No, no, no.
02:21Why not?
02:22Take your thighs back as well!
02:25Why you saw nothing in five years, so take your thighs away!
02:32Happy Christmas!
02:34You guys are going to give him 50 quid.
02:36Sorry, can I ask a question to start this story?
02:39You were here four years ago.
02:41I'm still alive.
02:42You were here four years ago.
02:44DNA, kids yours, did our bit, everything's...
02:47Why are you back?
02:49Obviously, because Sarah's saying that I can't see my son.
02:51She wants full control.
02:53Like, she lets me see him,
02:55and then she takes him away for months,
02:56and then lets me see him again.
02:57So she plays God with the child's life?
02:59Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah.
03:00You told my team, and you go,
03:02I'm going to try and say this with a straight face
03:03without you getting upset.
03:04This woman uses me for sex.
03:07Well, no, what she does,
03:08I get to see my son, but every time,
03:10she's wanting sex.
03:13Sorry, can you...
03:15Sorry, oi, sexy woman, sit down and be quiet.
03:17I'll lose the picture.
03:19So she'll come round with her...
03:20And she'll only come round with her son if you...
03:23No, sometimes she's just, like...
03:25One time she's randomly turned up at me,
03:27I got dropped off off the police
03:28from a night out with me son.
03:31You say she's a dirty cow,
03:32she's slept with 50 men in the space of three months.
03:35That's an estimate.
03:36An estimate?
03:37Yeah, that's...
03:38That's probably an exaggeration.
03:40She's using my son as a weapon.
03:41My name is not on the birth certificate.
03:43I feel pressurised.
03:44Why...
03:45This is my thing, right?
03:47So you want to see your son,
03:48you want access, that's great.
03:49It's Christmas, so you should,
03:50but you want her to do a lie detector
03:52to prove that she hasn't cheated on you,
03:54but you've been apart for four years.
03:55What's the point of that?
03:56No, exactly.
03:57I didn't say anything about her lie detector test.
03:59She's the one that brought the lie detector test.
04:00But why does it...
04:02Why does it matter...
04:03Why does it matter if she cheated on you
04:05and you've been apart for four years?
04:06Exactly.
04:07It doesn't make any difference.
04:08Exactly.
04:09Who's that?
04:09It's ridiculous.
04:10I don't care if she cheated on her.
04:11And you had sex with her four months ago?
04:13Yeah.
04:13A month or now.
04:14A month and a half ago.
04:15You said four months ago.
04:17Do you still love her?
04:18No, but I don't...
04:19Oh, it's not that I don't love her, obviously.
04:21Do you know what I mean?
04:22I just don't...
04:23I want her out of my life.
04:24I don't fancy her.
04:25I don't like her attitude.
04:26She's dead to me.
04:27I don't tell you me you loved me the other day.
04:30Muppet.
04:33That's a Muppet Christmas show.
04:36She's pushed me too far.
04:37I want consistency.
04:38I don't want to sleep with you.
04:39I want access.
04:40I want to be on the birth certificate.
04:42I'll pass.
04:42That's my life, yeah?
04:43Let's get her out.
04:44Sarah's on the Jeremy card.
04:45Take that out.
04:49Put me in and down, baby.
04:50I'll give you back.
04:51Mother, you take it.
04:52See that little boy?
04:54Do you see him?
04:54That's why I'm here for him.
04:56Not for me and you, Derek.
04:57Give him.
04:58Did I say anything about me and you?
05:00Well, clearly you are.
05:01Clearly you're going on about me and my sex life.
05:03So what if I slept with 50 men in three months?
05:05So what?
05:06So what?
05:06Have they got anything to do with you?
05:08That's for a week.
05:10That's for a week.
05:11Fabulous.
05:11You should get paid for it, shunna.
05:17It's not for me, Derek.
05:19Did you sleep with 50 men in three months?
05:21How many?
05:23None.
05:23Remember your own Sarah?
05:25Do I care where we are?
05:26No one is.
05:27You're a family.
05:28You're a family.
05:29Are we a family?
05:30Well, do you know what?
05:30I don't include me.
05:32Have we ever been a family?
05:33No.
05:33You're the one who was sleeping with people behind my back.
05:36I found you in bed with another face when I was pregnant, Derek.
05:40When you come, you'd already moved out.
05:42Me and you would split up.
05:43What, the day before?
05:44And you met her at a phone box.
05:46You went and met her at a phone box and took her back to your house.
05:50Who found you in bed with somebody else?
05:52I found him in bed with another bird whilst I was pregnant.
05:55Not when she was pregnant.
05:56Yes, I was pregnant.
05:57Yes, I was.
05:58You exaggerate a load of things.
06:00I exaggerate, Derek.
06:00You exaggerate me thinking you can...
06:02How did you two have it off six weeks ago?
06:05It wasn't six weeks ago.
06:06Do you love him still?
06:07No, I don't.
06:08Are you having sex with him?
06:09Because he comes to me out and he instigates it.
06:12It's the only time.
06:12He says you used sex to get...
06:15Used the kid to get sex.
06:17No, I don't.
06:17No, I don't.
06:18If I wanted sex...
06:19Jeremy Kyle, if I wanted sex, I'd go elsewhere and get sex.
06:23I wouldn't go to him.
06:24He comes to my house.
06:25He comes to my house to see his son.
06:27Is he no good?
06:28And then him.
06:29Do you know what he can be a good dad?
06:30I'm not going to see you.
06:30No, I'm talking about sex.
06:32It's irrelevant, really, innit?
06:33No.
06:34Well, my sex lies nothing to do with me.
06:36He don't start me.
06:37He says you turn up drunk and demand it.
06:39I turn up drunk and demand sex.
06:41Are you for real?
06:42Obviously, don't demand it.
06:43Are you for real, girl?
06:44Exactly.
06:44I don't demand it.
06:45I don't instigate anything.
06:46You instigate it.
06:47No, I don't, damn it.
06:48It's a mutual thing.
06:49What?
06:49So I just know that we're going to do it, do I?
06:52I'm not here for this.
06:53I'm not here for this.
06:54I come here for you to see...
06:55Why are you here?
06:56For him to see his son.
06:57Has he seen his son, darling?
06:58No, he doesn't.
06:59Well, his son.
07:00You wonder why?
07:01You wonder why?
07:02Why?
07:02Because you're not on the birth certificate.
07:03Should we tell everyone why I'm not putting you on the birth certificate?
07:06Because you thought you was clever, robbing my son, didn't you?
07:08I mean, kept him for a month.
07:10How did I keep him for a month?
07:11How did you keep him for a month?
07:12I was protecting my son.
07:13Why?
07:13Because you thought I was taking coke out of the kitchen table with 15-year-old kids.
07:17Yeah, it was.
07:17Because that's what you turned around and said.
07:18Ripping your doors off why my son's in the house.
07:20I was what?
07:22Having people in the house, ripping the doors off, why my son's in the house.
07:25My son's not going back to...
07:25So you're telling me when...
07:27You're telling me when...
07:29I won't protect my son, because that's what I was supposed to do as a father.
07:32When he was nine months old, people...
07:32No, I won't risk losing my rights for that, so do that.
07:35So why haven't you done something in the last four years?
07:37Because your bits are more important.
07:38You've been sleeping with it.
07:39Why haven't you been in court four years ago saying...
07:42I did get her to...
07:43I've got a split custody order, didn't I?
07:44I've got a split custody order.
07:45You've got a split custody order.
07:46Why aren't you letting him see the kids out?
07:47No, because I lost it.
07:48This isn't a split custody order.
07:49Get this.
07:49Because I lost it.
07:50There was a split custody...
07:51Shut up and let me speak.
07:52You shut up.
07:53Then you lose the case because you kidnapped the child.
07:56No, because my name wasn't on a birth certificate and I can't send him back.
07:59That's right.
08:00Well, his name's not on it, is it?
08:02And until he proves that he's not going to take my son off me again and I'm not going to
08:05see him,
08:05then no, his name's not on a birth certificate.
08:06So what about a contact centre?
08:07He won't go to a contact centre.
08:09Why won't you go to a contact centre?
08:11Why should I?
08:12To prove, because you kidnapped him before.
08:14I didn't kidnap him at all.
08:15Yes, you did.
08:16I didn't see my son for a month.
08:17The only reason he's kidnapped is because my name's not on a birth certificate.
08:20Right, listen, you had it.
08:21If I am his dad, I am his dad.
08:22Is he the father?
08:23Oh, we've done that.
08:23Oh, yeah, we've done D&D. We've been here before and done D&D.
08:26So what is the birth certificate then, yeah?
08:28No, because then he can come and pick my son up from school and take him.
08:31Why can't you two sort this out?
08:32It's been four years.
08:33What's he's doing to the kid?
08:35He's messing his head up.
08:36He sits there and tells me how he misses his dad and he loves his dad,
08:39but his dad's a waste of space.
08:41His mum is.
08:42How am I a waste of space when I'm the one that's brought him up for five years on me
08:45own?
08:46What have you worn for him?
08:47Some toys that you've got off these lot.
08:49Is it though?
08:50Yeah, well, you didn't.
08:51No, I don't.
09:00I don't care what the results are.
09:02You told my team you'd be happy to walk away.
09:04I will, yeah.
09:05I am happy now.
09:06I'm at that point where I've done too much.
09:08I'm past caring.
09:09What the results are?
09:11If I don't care.
09:11Send your pictures.
09:14I will walk away, yeah.
09:15From your son.
09:16I will, I will, I will loot.
09:17If I don't get to, if I don't get any access and get everything on paper that I get full
09:20visiting rights, I will walk away from the...
09:23Do our best to sort this out and for some unknown reason.
09:25Now, double-nine to take her after this break.
09:28Right back.
09:29Good afternoon.
09:29I'm seeing any pictures of you, son.
09:31Look, there you go.
09:32You get involved.
09:32Look behind you.
09:34Stop contacting me.
09:35I've told you I don't know how many times.
09:36I don't want your money.
09:38I don't need your snotty seconds.
09:40Shut your mouth, man.
09:42Are you judging, buggy?
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10:22Hello, my team. Happy Christmas.
10:24Welcome back before the break.
10:25Exes at war, they seem to sleep together and shout,
10:27where's she gone now?
10:29Oi! Sarah, get back here.
10:31I'm not running around there. Come here.
10:32Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.
10:34I'm doing it. I'm doing it.
10:35What has she gone now?
10:38The current Olympics are cancelled for Christmas.
10:42What is it?
10:43Sorry, can I just...
10:44Right, give me those...
10:45For some reason, right, you two
10:46haven't been together for four years,
10:48but you've had sex repeatedly.
10:50He's not on the birth certificate
10:51because apparently he kidnapped the kid.
10:53There's no apparent work as he did.
10:55You're still in love with him, aren't you?
10:57I'm not.
10:57Really?
10:58I want him to be a dad.
11:00I will.
11:01I don't understand this.
11:03Derek did a lie detector.
11:04Are you interested in whether he cheated on you
11:05in the four years you were together?
11:07You're not?
11:08No.
11:09Are you interested in whether she cheated on you?
11:11But, yeah, I'll find out.
11:13Just out of curiosity.
11:15It doesn't matter, though.
11:17I'm not bothered what the result is.
11:19You sit there and you tell me it's about the kid, is it?
11:24You both failed every question.
11:25Oh!
11:28Oh!
11:28Oh!
11:29Oh!
11:29Oh!
11:31Oh!
11:31Oh!
11:31Oh!
11:31Oh!
11:31Yeah, you cheated on him during your relationship?
11:33Might have done.
11:36Yes or no, it's Christmas.
11:38At the beginning of the relationship, yeah.
11:40On the first day when we met, I had sex with someone else.
11:42That's what happened.
11:43What was the first day of now?
11:44You cheated on him, didn't you?
11:45Well, in the first few months, yeah.
11:46Listen, I'm not number 51.
11:49You can't be nice to me.
11:50Did you cheat on her?
11:51Yeah.
11:52I never cheated on me.
11:54So you have a kid, he's not on the birth certificate, because apparently the last time you let him have
11:59the kid, he kidnapped the child.
12:01What am I looking at?
12:01Listen to him.
12:03I am listening.
12:03It's you that needs to listen, because you need to step up and be your father.
12:07Get me on the birth certificate, then.
12:09Until you're free and you can be your dad, you're not going on the birth certificate.
12:12Well, there we go.
12:13I'm not doing it how you want me to do it.
12:16I'm sick of doing it how you want me to do it.
12:17But it's still about you two and not about the kid.
12:19I'm about me and him.
12:21It's very simple, isn't it?
12:22You came here because you want him to be involved for the sake of your child, right?
12:26If your child deserves a father.
12:27Then you are going to have to meet in the middle.
12:29Why are you shaking your head?
12:30Because she says that now, but you don't know what she's like at home.
12:33She will only do...
12:34Well, I'm a light, Debbie.
12:35What's up, I don't...
12:36So busy having sex.
12:37Exactly.
12:37And that's why I don't get to see my son, because when there's a man involved...
12:42Because I jump from bed to bed.
12:43I jump from bed to bed.
12:44I don't have a hot dog and all that.
12:46Yeah, I love it.
12:48You came here and you said, I want my son to know his father.
12:52Hear me out, yeah?
12:53You, you idiot, could have done more.
12:55And now you're at a point where you hardly show that you're committed by saying,
12:58well, I could walk anyway.
13:00Just hear me out and say it, right?
13:01It's Christmas.
13:02This kid deserves it.
13:03If you are right, he's a waste of space.
13:05I say it every day, but I mean it.
13:06The kid will find out that he's a waste of space, all right?
13:09But you will forever be able to look in the mirror and say, do you know what?
13:11I gave my child the chance to know his father.
13:14If you forget that, you don't allow it, that's going to cause you a problem.
13:18I've never stopped him from seeing this one.
13:20You are going to have to make some concessions.
13:23It's obvious to anybody watching this, you are going to have to prove for the first couple
13:28of months that you love this kid and he is more important than her or the argument or the sex
13:34by going to a contact centre.
13:36But hear me out.
13:38I don't want to go to a contact centre.
13:39Then put his name on the birth certificate.
13:42No, what do we can take this off?
13:44No, I don't think so.
13:45If you let him do it in a contact centre, this is what I'm trying to say.
13:48You put his name on the birth certificate and you do that under the premise that he goes
13:51to a contact centre where there is control, where there is security, where he, if you're right,
13:57won't bother turning up because he can't be bothered.
13:58Come on, go on.
13:59Then you've done it, haven't you?
14:01Then you've done it.
14:02But if you don't, your son will hold it against you.
14:05And the two of you four years down the line, you need to think about your own son.
14:08Six weeks ago, you had sex.
14:09You're not, you're thinking about yourselves.
14:10If you love this boy, you'll go to a contact centre.
14:13If you love this boy, you will put his name with the proviso.
14:16I'm doing it.
14:17He needs to see it in a contact centre.
14:19That's it.
14:19It's so difficult.
14:28You came here because you wanted him to have access.
14:31What?
14:32What?
14:33Why access did you want?
14:35For him to be your dad.
14:36How often?
14:37My son loves him.
14:38How often?
14:40Whenever he wants.
14:42But you're also saying that you don't want him to do that because you're concerned he's
14:45going to kidnap the child.
14:46He's got to prove to me he's not going to kidnap him.
14:48Can you prove in a contact...
14:49I'm not going through losing my son again.
14:51Quite right.
14:51Can you prove in a contact centre?
14:53If he'd go to a contact centre, then, yeah.
14:55She's been a good mum.
14:56You slag her off, you sleep with her, you do whatever.
14:58Why wouldn't you?
14:59I don't want to say she's not been a good mum.
15:00Why wouldn't you?
15:00I just say she'd make mistakes.
15:02So have you made, so have we all.
15:04Why would you not go to a contact centre to prove that you love your son and make your
15:08son's mother feel more secure, the one who's been there for four and a half, five years?
15:13I don't agree with a contact centre.
15:15I've been seeing some without contact centres.
15:18And why are we here, then?
15:19Exactly.
15:20Because she won't let me...
15:21Because I only get to see him.
15:23It's nothing like that, Derek.
15:25It goes, as soon as you've got a boyfriend, as soon as you've got a boyfriend, you don't
15:28I sent you, I sent you, I sent you pictures of your son on Facebook.
15:31And what was your reply to me, Derek?
15:34Don't you get the hint?
15:35Why do you insist on piping up?
15:36Don't you get the hint?
15:37That was me sending you pictures of your son on his first day at school.
15:41Dad, do you like me?
15:42Stop my evening, ma.
15:43Stop my evening.
15:43Stop my evening.
15:44I'm sending you pictures of your son.
15:46Look, there you go.
15:47You get involved.
15:48Look, look behind you.
15:48Stop contacting me.
15:50I've told you I don't know how many times.
15:51I don't want your money.
15:52But we're spending it on...
15:53When did you want to provide for me?
15:54It's about putting him there and then take him away again.
15:57Why do I take him away?
15:58Why do I take him away?
15:59Do you not provide for your son?
16:00Not if I don't see him, no.
16:02But if I see him, then I will.
16:03Not a problem.
16:04I haven't got a problem.
16:05She's saying you can see him.
16:06Yeah, well...
16:07Do you know the truth?
16:08I'm not going to shout.
16:10Do I?
16:10Shall I tell you?
16:11I'm not going around in circles.
16:12Because I'll tell you, it's really simple.
16:14You both, whether you like it or not, you've been the mother.
16:16We can find arguments against fours on both sides.
16:20You're still four years down the line, wrapped up in the war that you have between each other,
16:23whether you're having sex or...
16:24I'm not interested in him.
16:25Well, stop sleeping with him, then.
16:27Right.
16:27Why do you sleep with him?
16:29Because it just happens.
16:31Why don't you make sure contact happens?
16:33Because that should be high on your priorities.
16:34I try and instigate contact.
16:35Both of you.
16:35Don't try and talk to me like I don't try and instigate contact.
16:37I'm trying to help.
16:38I do try and help him.
16:39I do try and sort contact out.
16:41Go to a contact centre.
16:43Go to a...
16:44Do it.
16:44Go to a contact centre in return for getting your name on the birth certificate.
16:48Well, there's a contact centre.
16:49You're going to walk away, aren't you?
16:51No, I'm going to go to the contact centre.
16:53You should have to prove to you, darling.
16:53All right, then. We'll see.
16:54Prove me wrong, David.
16:55Please, prove me wrong.
16:56Prove me wrong.
16:57Do you guarantee on camera that if he puts...
17:00If he goes through a contact centre and he's consistent,
17:02I will put his name on the birth certificate.
17:03There you are.
17:04Don't.
17:04Can we sort that?
17:05Yeah, yeah.
17:06For the sake of your son, yes or no, shake hands.
17:11Yes!
17:11It doesn't have to lead to...
17:13Take your presents for all my life.
17:24I'm having them back in a minute.
17:26What?
17:27How am I a liar?
17:28Seriously, you rang the show to do a DNA test?
17:30Yeah, to prove...
17:31Yeah, so that's why I'm on here.
17:32Yeah, but then you go and tell them...
17:34And I didn't say you're mad on drugs.
17:35I said he looks like he's on drugs.
17:37No, no.
17:37Sorry, I'm...
17:38Who do you think you are judging me, you lord?
17:41Uh, oh, right, no.
17:43We're going for a walk.
17:44Do you want to cut...
17:56It's the UK's most controversial talk show.
17:59We've been waiting a year and a half for this.
18:01Cannot wait.
18:03An internet sensation.
18:15Thank you, Jeremy.
18:17Raw emotion.
18:18Is my daughter having an affair with my husband?
18:22I have never seen anything like that in my life.
18:25Explosive results.
18:26No, she's there on the other side of the door.
18:28I'll take it with his best friend, do you hear?
18:31Tom Dickens having you...
18:32Absolutely outrageous.
18:34Life-changing moments.
18:37I don't want you on this show, so why don't you do one day?
18:41We'll have a jammy, Dodger.
18:43All at 9.25.
18:44What did she just call me?
18:45Stand up.
18:46Get off the stage.
18:46This lady found out James is now living as a woman.
18:51What should I do for the show?
19:00Unmissable TV.
19:01CHEERING
19:07APPLAUSE
19:08Julie, welcome back.
19:09My next guest today, Alexandra, is here to confront her ex-friend, Hope,
19:12who, according to Alexandra, just a few weeks ago,
19:14turned on her and has been bad-mouthing her and her fiancé, Russell,
19:17blaming her for spreading rumours that Hope doesn't know
19:20who her baby's father is.
19:21Now, Alexandra thinks that her boyfriend, Ryan,
19:23should run for the hills and leave Hope to be a single mum this Christmas.
19:26Basically, they don't like each other very much.
19:28Alexandra's on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
19:33CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
19:36You look quite scary.
19:38What's the matter with you?
19:39I'm really angry with hard-braining mine and my fiancé in this...
19:43Oh, shut up, you...
19:44They just started.
19:46Just starting it.
19:48Right.
19:48Quiet, not me!
19:49Whoa!
19:54Could you just...
19:56You stop swearing and you sit down and be quiet?
19:59You'd lose the bleeding picture.
20:02Can you do me a favour, because I'm an old man,
20:04can you explain to me, right, Hope used to be your best friend?
20:08Yeah.
20:08Who are you engaged to?
20:09To my fiancé, Russell.
20:11Well, it would be your fiancé, wouldn't it?
20:12Yeah.
20:13Russell, what do you call a man buried under the leaves?
20:16Don't...
20:17Russell.
20:24Hope, who's Hope engaged to?
20:27Ryan.
20:27Ryan.
20:28I don't know a joke for that.
20:30Today, I want to confront Hope.
20:32She's a liar.
20:34And I'm going to tell the world that she doesn't know who the father to her baby is.
20:38What's that got to do with you?
20:39I know, but she's keep going on about my business, saying how...
20:43What's your business?
20:44How my man's taking drugs when he's not.
20:46Should we get her out?
20:47Yeah, get the f*** out.
20:48Hey!
20:52Hope's on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
20:56CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
20:57How am I a liar?
21:00How am I a liar?
21:01Could you explain to me why we're here?
21:04Yeah, how am I a liar?
21:06How am I a liar?
21:07Seriously, you rang the show to do a DNA test?
21:09Yeah, to prove...
21:10So that's why I'm on here?
21:11Yeah, but then you go and tell them...
21:13And I didn't say you're mad on drugs.
21:14I said he looks like he's on drugs.
21:16Sorry, hold on a minute.
21:17Hello, Jeremy Carl show, my turn.
21:20Why the hell are we here?
21:21For a DNA test on my son.
21:24But why...
21:24Oh, don't you know who the father of your baby is?
21:26I was honest with him that I had a one-night stand on a break.
21:30He knows everything.
21:32Um, she says that you...
21:34You have no idea who the father of your baby is?
21:36Yes, I do.
21:38It's 50-50.
21:40Ryan...
21:41Keep on laughing.
21:43Alex, you can't really talk because you came on here last year.
21:45Hold on a minute.
21:46Hold on a minute.
21:47Hold on a minute.
21:48So you're going out with Ryan?
21:50Yes.
21:51Why now?
21:52Because you told my team she's been spreading rumours about it.
21:56Everybody's talking about it.
21:57I want to get it nailed.
21:58Yeah.
21:58But you say she's been spreading rumours about you.
22:00What's she been saying about you?
22:02Saying how my mum's taking drugs.
22:03You don't like Russell, do you?
22:05I've never met the guy.
22:06What?
22:07I've never met him.
22:08And he has the cheek to slug off my baby.
22:11Why is Russell doing a lie detector?
22:13Because you told my team he's a control freak, she's a different person.
22:17Don't tell me you don't have an opinion.
22:19You said you didn't like him.
22:21I don't like him.
22:22You just said you didn't have an opinion on him.
22:25I've never met him.
22:26Have you ever wanted it to be Easter?
22:31Just throw chocolate eggs at you.
22:32So let me get this absolutely straight before I go to an ad break, lie in a dark room and
22:36forget about things.
22:37You're going out with a bloke called Russell, right?
22:40Yes.
22:41He's doing a lie detector to prove what?
22:43He's never laid under some leaves and taken drugs.
22:46What's he doing a lie detector for?
22:48To prove he hasn't cheated on me or nothing like that.
22:51Who thinks he has?
22:53Me.
22:53My business again.
22:54My business again?
22:57People are going to have to keep out of my business, Steve, okay?
23:00You stay out of my business, all right?
23:04I'm cheating.
23:05Say, who are you?
23:06I'm Russell.
23:07Get off.
23:08I'm cheating.
23:09Get off.
23:10Go away.
23:11Take your hat off.
23:13Who are you?
23:17I'm Ryan.
23:18I'm my bloke.
23:19What?
23:19I'm Ryan.
23:20I'm my bloke.
23:22Well, he's not here anymore.
23:23Have you taken any drugs?
23:24What I use as what?
23:25I smoke a bit of cannabis.
23:26Go back until I ask you to come out.
23:30And don't wear a hat.
23:31Or maybe you should.
23:32Anyway, right.
23:34So, what little diamond should we bring out first?
23:37Where's Ryan?
23:38Is that Ryan that way?
23:39Yes.
23:39And you've been with him for how long?
23:40A year and six months.
23:42Although there was a split when you decided to have sex with somebody else.
23:45Yes, but I wasn't...
23:46How long was the split?
23:47That didn't sound right.
23:48How long were you apart?
23:50About a month.
23:51And then you jumped into bed with somebody else,
23:53didn't use protection,
23:54found yourself up the duff,
23:55had the baby,
23:56told Ryan straight away that he might or might not be the...
23:59Do you know the name of the other bloke?
24:00Yes, I do.
24:01So, if it isn't Ryan today,
24:02it'll be the other bloke.
24:03That's her business.
24:04Let's get Ryan on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
24:14Welcome to the show.
24:15What's going on?
24:17Well, these two,
24:18putting it all on Facebook about...
24:19Facebook.
24:20DNA, it's all to do with Facebook.
24:22Let me ask you...
24:23All right, don't do all right.
24:23I don't know what Facebook is.
24:25It's where you poke people, isn't it?
24:26And then I go net chicks and filling.
24:28No, what did I do?
24:29Netflix.
24:30I don't know why you're shrugging your shoulders.
24:31What's happened to you?
24:33Steve, he's changed him, hasn't he?
24:35Why are you laughing?
24:38What?
24:39Why are you going to make me?
24:44Right, anyway,
24:46so you're with her
24:46and you split up for a while.
24:49Yes, we split up for a while.
24:49Was she very honest
24:50and she slept with somebody else?
24:51Yes.
24:52How did she feel about that?
24:52Oh, I went like that.
24:53You must have been gutted.
24:54I was gutted,
24:55but I was happy that she told me.
24:57Okay, yeah, that's honest.
24:58She was honest with me.
24:59Now, when the baby's born,
25:00did you think to yourself,
25:01you know what, actually, seriously,
25:02I need to do something about this straight away?
25:03I just wondered,
25:04and I'm not being disrespectful,
25:05why you've taken seven months of that?
25:07Because I didn't really want to know
25:08if it was mine or...
25:09So it's my mind.
25:11Just to sweep it under the carpet, yeah?
25:12Yeah, so, but I thought today
25:14it's going to be the day I want to know
25:15and it ain't got nothing to do with them.
25:17They're putting them all over Facebook
25:18about my DNA.
25:19Yes, you did, man.
25:20We got proof of it.
25:21Why are you lying?
25:22Why are you lying?
25:23We got proof, Alex.
25:24I've put nothing on it.
25:25Bro, stop lying, innit?
25:26Yes, you have, Alex.
25:26You and your manager,
25:27you and your manager,
25:28when you send me a picture of your...
25:29...innit?
25:34What did you say?
25:35When I was single.
25:36Oh, for God's sake.
25:40Who the f*** do you think you are judging me,
25:42you little f***?
25:43Stop.
25:43I don't even f***.
25:44What? What?
25:44How are you funny?
25:46You're funny, guys.
25:47Oh, my God.
25:47Who the f*** do you think you are, bro?
25:49We've got no hope here, right?
25:51Do you understand that?
25:51You don't even, bro.
25:52You don't even...
25:52Get off until I...
25:55...
25:55...
25:59What did you say?
26:01Yeah, no, when she went out
26:02and she went to f*** that night.
26:04Time ago, yes, she did.
26:05But I wasn't even with her.
26:07Yes, she was.
26:08I remember you were in a relationship with her.
26:09You're saying that she cheated behind his back?
26:11You're saying it's not just when you were apart, yeah?
26:13Yeah.
26:14I'm not cheating.
26:15Not that you.
26:16But you tried, but we didn't do nothing
26:18because I said no because I respected her.
26:20You tried it, and were you?
26:21Yeah, and I respected her.
26:23Me and you were not saying.
26:24I've got proof on Instagram.
26:25I just...
26:27...approved in.
26:28I haven't got it.
26:29Sorry, can I...
26:29Sorry, can I...
26:30No.
26:31Screenshot it.
26:31Screenshot it.
26:32Yeah, thank you.
26:32Could I...
26:33Sorry.
26:33I didn't screenshot it.
26:34Hello.
26:34I don't have an iPhone anymore.
26:37I've got a BlackBerry.
26:38Oh, BlackBerry.
26:39We've moved on.
26:39You still screened on me?
26:41Trying to master a calculator.
26:43Could I speak?
26:44So let me get this.
26:45Could we just recap?
26:46You're going out with Russell.
26:48Yep.
26:49He's here to do a lie detector
26:50to prove that he hasn't cheated on you,
26:53and yet you've just jumped in
26:55and said that Ryan tried it.
26:57When did you...
26:58He tried it on you?
26:59Yeah, when I was single, yes.
27:00When I was not with no one.
27:01Was he with her?
27:02Yes, he was with her.
27:03She went somewhere.
27:04You're saying he tried it on with you.
27:06That's what the angst is.
27:07Did you try it on with her?
27:08No.
27:09Don't lie, because I've got proof on Instagram.
27:10Who is it then?
27:11I'll get it up.
27:12If someone's got iPhone,
27:14I'll get it up and send it to them.
27:16Who's got that?
27:17I'm up here.
27:17Did you try it on with her?
27:18Why do I think she's telling the truth?
27:20Why would I want to try it on with that?
27:24Really?
27:25You ain't know.
27:26You're really special, aren't you?
27:27Not you either.
27:28Why would I try it on with that ugly?
27:30Go back in, man.
27:31Go inside, man.
27:35Right, so you don't know if you're the father of her baby.
27:38No.
27:39You don't know if your boyfriend's a cheat.
27:41Well, I believe him.
27:42He's not.
27:43You're not sure whether your boyfriend...
27:44Do you think he tried it on with her?
27:46No.
27:47Why?
27:48Honestly not.
27:49Because he don't like her.
27:50He told me from day one he would never go to that.
27:52So, I believe him.
27:53I've got standards.
27:56Just watch.
27:57Which are based entirely on what?
28:02In the picture.
28:04Picture of what?
28:05He's Finn.
28:07Did you?
28:08He's not going to mend us.
28:09He's lying.
28:11This is the most cut...
28:12This is the most confused...
28:13Do you know what I think is funny?
28:14I'm here for a DNA test.
28:15But what the f*** is all this about?
28:17Well, she got my...
28:18Of course, you're getting involved with my life.
28:20No, I'm not.
28:20Yeah, you are.
28:21Did you send a picture to her?
28:23No.
28:24Or her sister?
28:25No.
28:25Did you try it on with her?
28:26Well, if I tried it on with her, I'd have to be...
28:31No, I wouldn't try it on with her.
28:34Everybody is getting action.
28:38There's something wrong with me, Steve.
28:41Say no, there's not, Mr. Kyle.
28:45What's your boyfriend called?
28:47Russell.
28:47How can I forget?
28:48Russell's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
28:57I've only got 20 seconds.
28:59Shut your mouth, man.
29:00Who are you judging, bruv?
29:02You little f***ing.
29:02Look at your mouth.
29:05Look at you.
29:06Look at you, man.
29:08Who are you trying to judge?
29:10You don't even know me.
29:11You should get your girl to stop judging me.
29:14Judge?
29:14Huh?
29:14Judge taking heroin?
29:16Who's taking heroin?
29:18Me.
29:18That's what they said.
29:20No.
29:21Hello.
29:23Hello.
29:24Hello.
29:25Hi, Ross.
29:26How are you doing?
29:27Why is your head like that?
29:29I've got to clean my neck.
29:30Have you?
29:30Why have you got a hat on?
29:31He's got a reason.
29:32I've got medical reasons.
29:34Right.
29:39You're here defending your lady.
29:41Yep.
29:42Rumors have gone around which you think have been made by Hope saying that you're a cheat.
29:46Have you cheated?
29:47No.
29:48We've added into the mix that he doesn't know whether he's the father of her baby.
29:51And now it turns out that he sent pictures of his winky.
29:55Allegedly to her and her sister.
29:57Yeah, even I saw it myself.
29:59You've seen his winky.
30:00Oh, my God.
30:01They weren't good.
30:02What?
30:02They weren't nice.
30:04Why are you joking?
30:06Can you...
30:07Really, William, I'm having a breakdown.
30:09Why have you seen pictures of his winky?
30:12No, a man just showed me a picture of what was put on Instagram.
30:16And what was put on Instagram?
30:17He sent a picture of his...
30:20...out.
30:22People just walk along and...
30:24I mean, I want to know...
30:25What is it?
30:26What were you...
30:27Why...
30:28What?
30:28How did you...
30:29No.
30:29Why did you do that?
30:31I didn't.
30:31That's the thing.
30:32Back in the days, I used to say...
30:34I'm a bloke.
30:36Anyway, you want to be the father to her baby.
30:38That would be a lovely Christmas present.
30:39What if you're not?
30:40I'd still be the father to her.
30:41I like that.
30:42Good words.
30:43You two should obviously have nothing whatsoever to do with her.
30:45You're going to prove you're not a cheat.
30:46Yep.
30:47Fantastic.
30:47And what are we doing first, Will?
30:49DNA, you admit you've been with him for how long?
30:5116 months?
30:52Mm-hmm.
30:53You look quite nervous, and it is quite big news for you, right?
30:57You had a month apart, and you slept with somebody else.
31:02On a serious note, this is quite big.
31:04What would it mean if he is?
31:05Everything.
31:06What if he's not?
31:08He's still going to be there, so it doesn't really matter.
31:10Do you worry that he might not be there?
31:15Like I said to her, 100%, I'm going to stick by until I die.
31:18Do you want to know something I actually believe in?
31:19I actually believe in.
31:20I actually believe in.
31:21I do.
31:23I actually...
31:24I have to say, I actually believe that he will.
31:27If you get back together after that time, all right?
31:30The DNA testers ought to show that Ryan...
31:34Happy Christmas, you are the child's guy.
31:36Happy Christmas, you are the child's guy.
31:43See?
31:44Good news, see?
31:45Good news, yeah?
31:48Don't send any more pictures, no, you're a guest.
31:50No, I won't.
31:53Oh, right, no.
31:55We're going for a walk.
31:56Do you want to cut?
31:56No.
31:57Fine.
31:57Just wait a minute.
31:59Now, you were accused by this lot of sleeping around,
32:02certainly by Hope.
32:04You're here to prove as well,
32:05and then I would suspect if you pass,
32:07everybody should run in the opposite directions
32:08and not celebrate Christmas.
32:11During the test, Russell
32:13admitted that about two years ago
32:15he broke up with Alexandra for a week.
32:17Is that true?
32:18During that period,
32:20he got together with another girl for two days.
32:22Did you know about that?
32:23Yeah, no.
32:24Russell says he then left this other woman
32:26and got back together with Alexandra.
32:28Russell says he's been absolutely honest about all of that,
32:31so we've led it into the questions, yeah?
32:32We asked Russell,
32:33since the start of your relationship with Alexandra,
32:35apart from what you've admitted to,
32:36have you passionately kissed anyone else?
32:37You said no.
32:37Why did you say no, Russ?
32:38Telling the truth.
32:39Tess says you're a liar.
32:43I told you, Alex.
32:45I told you.
32:45Since the start of your relationship with Alexandra,
32:47apart from what you've admitted to,
32:48have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
32:49That's anything from a kiss to intercourse.
32:51You said no.
32:51This test says you're a liar.
32:52I told you.
32:53I see, Alex, mum.
32:54Alex, I told you.
32:55Alex, your boyfriend lied.
32:57Oi, oi.
32:58Your boyfriend lied on every single question.
33:00He judged me, Alex.
33:01I told you.
33:02Sit down and be Duke McLeod.
33:05I told you.
33:06You should listen to me, Alex.
33:11All through Hope's note,
33:13she doesn't slag you off.
33:14You slagged her off.
33:15Throughout her notes to my team,
33:16she said, you know what?
33:17She used to be a mate of mine.
33:18She's blinded.
33:19She can do better than this bloke.
33:20She needs to wise up.
33:21You are a cheat, aren't you?
33:22No, I'm not.
33:23Why'd you fail the test, then?
33:24Because I wasn't comfortable with it.
33:27I did not cheat.
33:28The chair, the test,
33:29the person that was doing it,
33:30the environment,
33:31the wallpaper,
33:32your right hand,
33:32what was wrong?
33:33No, it was actually,
33:34my hand was going purple as well.
33:37I'm not even joking.
33:40Your right hand was going purple?
33:42Yeah.
33:43It did it tight,
33:44and then it went purple.
33:45So the lie detector examiner,
33:47I've heard some in my life.
33:48The lie detector examiner
33:49had it on so tight,
33:51your wrist was going purple.
33:52Yeah.
33:55And that's why you failed.
33:57Oh, we're not sure now.
33:58No, something else happened.
33:59What else happened?
34:00Come on, mate,
34:00admit the truth.
34:01I never cheered on her.
34:02Of course you did.
34:03That's why you failed the test.
34:04What do you think?
34:05You know, it's true, don't you?
34:06No, because I know
34:06he went off with this other girl,
34:08I knew,
34:08and he dumped me straight there.
34:10I'm a busy man.
34:10I'll tell you what,
34:11here's the thing,
34:11I'm really pleased
34:12that you're the father,
34:13and I'm really pleased
34:14that you two are.
34:15You know what,
34:15you make your bed in life,
34:16you want to put up with him
34:17and you want to put up with her,
34:18whether you're a liar or not,
34:19just go and enjoy Christmas,
34:20but I wouldn't trust him
34:21further than I could throw him.
34:22Congratulations.
34:22Goodbye, bye, see you later.
34:23Thank you, Mama Steve.
34:24Congratulations.
34:25Have a good Christmas.
34:26Thank you guys for having a baby.
34:27Thank you very much.
34:30After the break,
34:31a family feud
34:32and shocking allegations.
34:33I'm right back.
34:33Don't go anywhere.
34:34You took
34:35£125,
34:35I never a bank,
34:36and I told her.
34:38I told her.
34:39Not about the phone,
34:40you never.
34:40I just don't lie.
34:41If you have the audacity
34:42to have a go at me and bite here,
34:44then you go do it to mum as well.
34:45Shut up a second.
34:47Who used to pay for your bingo?
34:48Who used to help you
34:49with food?
34:51Alfie did.
34:51So don't treat him
34:52with disrespect.
35:03Thank you very much,
35:03really welcome back.
35:04Now you might just recognise
35:05my next guest today
35:06from a previous encounter
35:07on this very stage.
35:09Take a look at this,
35:09my friends.
35:11Mum might as well
35:12have mug tattooed
35:13on a forehead.
35:14He uses her for money
35:15and food,
35:16lives there rent-free.
35:18She's too soft.
35:19She is.
35:20You are 100% sure
35:21if I'll lie detector.
35:23I am.
35:23How can you be that sure?
35:24Because he's the only one
35:25that's got the info.
35:28You're the only one
35:29that treats mum like a mug.
35:31You're the one
35:31that all you call mum up for
35:33is for this.
35:34Because you're a money-grabbing...
35:36Really?
35:37That's what you are.
35:38That's what you are.
35:38I don't know how to get out
35:39of my f***ing work.
35:40Did you steal from your mother?
35:42No, I did not.
35:43Why are you accusing him?
35:44Come on, help me out!
35:46Because of her bank statements
35:47is saying otherwise.
35:48But I haven't touched it.
35:49He says your mother
35:50basically is a soft touch.
35:51You walk all over her,
35:52you take advantage
35:53of almost every part of her life.
35:54Do I now?
35:56Now since then,
35:57Charlene says that
35:58she's been turned on by Sam.
35:59She proved that he was a liar
36:00and their sister Sharon
36:01forced out of the family.
36:02She says she's now being accused
36:04of stealing and lying
36:05despite the fact she's done
36:06nothing wrong.
36:06And to make matters worse,
36:07Charlene also claims
36:08that Sharon's other half
36:09came on to her.
36:10Again, everybody's coming
36:11on to everybody.
36:12She's furious that nobody
36:13believes her.
36:15Charlene's back on
36:15The Jeremy Kyle Show
36:16that way!
36:24I was going to say
36:25happy Christmas
36:25but that's not great.
36:26Very simply,
36:27last time
36:28you proved
36:29that your brother Sam
36:30had nicked the money
36:31and yet the family
36:32have closed ranks
36:32and are now turning on you.
36:34It was almost like
36:34you proved it
36:35and you've been judged
36:36for that.
36:37I have, yes.
36:38How does that make you feel?
36:39I've just had enough
36:40because they've accused me
36:41so many times
36:42of stealing off my mum
36:43when it's not even me.
36:44He's brainwashing the family.
36:46What do you mean by that?
36:46Yes, I've always been
36:47honest with my mum
36:48so when I've taken money
36:49I've actually told her.
36:51You have stolen money
36:51from your mum?
36:52I have but I've actually
36:52told her after I've done that.
36:53Why don't you just ask
36:54her to borrow it?
36:55What's wrong with you people?
36:56I don't know
36:56but I've always actually
36:57been honest with my mum
36:58and come up front.
36:59Right, so Sharon,
37:01who's Sharon,
37:01your older sister?
37:02You're not going on with her?
37:04I do and I don't.
37:05I'm here to tell
37:06my troublemaker of sister
37:07that after the day
37:08I want nothing to do with her.
37:09That's Sharon.
37:10Sam says I'm ashamed
37:11of Charlene.
37:11She's a vernicted sponger
37:13who nicks money.
37:13That's a bit rich from him.
37:15And who's Kerry?
37:16Kerry's my friend.
37:17And what's this about
37:17a bloke trying it on
37:18with you?
37:19Who's that?
37:20My sister's partner.
37:21Who's?
37:21Who's?
37:22Which sister?
37:22Sharon.
37:23Her partner's trying...
37:24Tell me what happened.
37:26We went to the fireworks
37:27because he'd split up
37:28from my sister.
37:29Sorry, you split up...
37:30He split up with your sister
37:32so you went to the fireworks
37:33with him?
37:34Yeah.
37:35As a friend.
37:36So he was flirting
37:37with you generally
37:38that evening
37:38and then continued that
37:40despite...
37:40He wasn't with your sister
37:41at the time.
37:42And he was sending you
37:43text messages.
37:44What were those messages
37:45saying?
37:46Because he'd split up
37:47from my sister.
37:47He was asking me
37:48whether he could move in
37:50and everything.
37:51I enjoyed the fireworks.
37:52Can I live with you?
37:53There's absolutely
37:53no foreplay at all,
37:55is there?
37:55You say I'm different
37:56to Sam and Sharon.
37:57Yeah.
37:57I'm honest.
37:58I'm hardworking.
37:59They're lazy benefits
38:01scroungers.
38:01That's right, yes.
38:02The best present
38:04they can give me
38:05this Christmas
38:05is to get out of my life.
38:07Don't blame me
38:08for your own inadequacies.
38:09I kept quiet
38:10about your husband.
38:11They got bad together
38:12in effect.
38:13Trying it on with me.
38:14I want a quiet life.
38:16You were proven
38:17Sam to be a thief.
38:18You're a troublemaker.
38:19Let me get on
38:20with my own life.
38:21I'm not interested.
38:22Would that be fair?
38:22Yep.
38:23Sharon, your big sister
38:24is on the Jeremy
38:24Carr show that way.
38:27I'm not a liar for you.
38:29He wouldn't even try
38:30to hold you,
38:31Charlene.
38:32Really?
38:32Yeah, really.
38:33Ask my friend.
38:34Yeah?
38:35And you can,
38:36Charlotte.
38:36Oh, who are you?
38:38Talk to you.
38:38Sorry, I'm sorry.
38:39For naked money.
38:40You took £120
38:42out of her bank
38:42and done it
38:43in your work.
38:44I towed her.
38:45I towed her.
38:45No, I paid the phone
38:46you never.
38:47So don't lie.
38:48Really?
38:48Yeah, really.
38:49Because I was there,
38:50Charlene.
38:50So I pay for the phone.
38:51I pay for the phone.
38:53I pay for the contract.
38:54So I can,
38:55the contract's gone to
38:55Mum's in her own net.
38:57Sorry, could I,
38:57well, hello,
38:58two things.
38:59Do sit down.
39:00You're giving me neckache.
39:01You're a bigger sister.
39:03Yep.
39:05How do you know
39:06your ex or current
39:07husband, boyfriend,
39:08partner, lover,
39:09whatever,
39:10didn't try on with you
39:11at the fireworks?
39:11You weren't with him?
39:12No, because I was
39:13with my kids.
39:15How do you know
39:16he didn't?
39:16And he wouldn't even
39:17do that.
39:18I don't know.
39:18I don't even believe
39:19you, Charlene.
39:19You don't believe,
39:20let's cut to the chase.
39:21You don't believe,
39:23right?
39:23You think she's,
39:23you told my team,
39:24she's a liar
39:25and she's an attention
39:26seeker.
39:27Based on what?
39:28She's always lying.
39:30No, no.
39:30Here you are.
39:31No, no.
39:32Sorry, who are you?
39:35I'm Sharon's
39:35man's best friend,
39:37right?
39:37You're what?
39:38And he was with me
39:39on the following night.
39:41Yeah, with me and my friend.
39:43No, he was not.
39:44Yes, he was.
39:44Who is he?
39:45No, he was not.
39:45My man's friend.
39:46Yes, he was, Alfie.
39:47No, he was not.
39:48Yes, he was.
39:49No, you're a family friend.
39:51Is that why he's
39:51tipped side all over my top
39:52then, was it?
39:56Charlene, show some respect.
39:57Who's that?
39:58spitting you out?
39:59Alfie.
40:00And you can shut the...
40:01Oh, very well, is it?
40:02So, he's a bit rich, him,
40:05because he came on...
40:06A mistake.
40:06He was on the show last time
40:08and he was made out
40:09and proven to be a liar
40:11and you're sitting there
40:12judging your sister
40:13when there's no proof.
40:14So, shut your mouth
40:15until I ask you to come on
40:17and lose the picture.
40:19It's a bit rich, isn't it?
40:21Oh.
40:22It's a bit rich for him
40:23to be able to go.
40:24Are you going back?
40:25And so does she.
40:27She does.
40:27No, no.
40:28You're too pumped.
40:29Er, Val's your mum.
40:31Yeah?
40:32I'm really hurt.
40:34I didn't think Charlene
40:34would ever do this to me,
40:35especially after the show.
40:36Sam apologised for stealing
40:37off me last time
40:38and let her son
40:38and pay back every penny.
40:40I went to get the money
40:40out of my bank.
40:41It was empty.
40:42That's 120 had been spent on bingo.
40:44Did you spend it on bingo?
40:45Yeah, but I turned around
40:46and told her.
40:47I didn't give Charlene permission
40:48and I didn't have money
40:49to pay my bills.
40:50She's only paid me about 50 quid
40:51despite being paid twice since.
40:52You got a job.
40:53Well done.
40:54She's also got two phone contracts
40:55out in my name
40:56without my permission.
40:57I've had enough.
40:58I want her to stop lying
40:59and stop using my identity.
41:00That's fair enough.
41:00She's jealous of her sister
41:01for Sharon.
41:03Brilliant.
41:03And it's causing nothing
41:04but arguments.
41:05She needs to stop.
41:06I would only say about Val,
41:07she's forgiven your brother
41:10for stealing.
41:11Yeah.
41:11Well, why can't she
41:12forgive her for stealing then?
41:14We tried getting you
41:15to come down, Mems,
41:15to talk to her.
41:17But you said you would
41:18come down the next day
41:19and you didn't even bother
41:20turning up.
41:20She says you're a benefit.
41:21She says you're a benefit,
41:23scrounger,
41:23and she's better than you.
41:24She goes to work.
41:25I'm looking for work, actually.
41:27Yeah, really?
41:27Yeah!
41:28I am.
41:29And Sam,
41:29who's coming out next
41:30is your brother.
41:31He's on your side
41:31and Sam's already been proven
41:32as somebody that nicks
41:33from their mother.
41:34Frankly,
41:34where I come from,
41:35you don't steal.
41:36Whoever it is.
41:37Full stop.
41:37Sam's on the show.
41:38You don't steal that, man.
41:46Hi, Sam.
41:47You had the audacity
41:48to have a go at me about it.
41:49Then you go do it to mum as well.
41:51I made a mistake.
41:53Yeah.
41:53Which I explained to mum.
41:55Because it was something
41:57that I didn't actually mean to do.
41:58But I'm paying for the contract,
42:00all right?
42:00Yeah.
42:01Identity fraud, you d*****.
42:05Or sister,
42:06in another language.
42:07It's called identity fraud
42:08because you're using mum's details.
42:10It's called stealing,
42:12you tea leaf,
42:13and it's not right.
42:17His point is,
42:18his point is,
42:19you were quick to judge last time
42:21and it's a bit rich
42:22when you went and did to your mother
42:23exactly what you had a go at him
42:24about doing.
42:25But the money's actually
42:26coming out from my account.
42:27Why would you steal anyway,
42:29any of you?
42:30If you've done the same,
42:32what makes you any better than him?
42:33Because I'm paying for mine.
42:35He paid his back.
42:36Neither of you should steal.
42:38Who's your friend?
42:39Kerry-Ann.
42:40Kerry-
42:40Why is she here?
42:41To support me.
42:42She's got nothing to do with this.
42:44This is a fun thing.
42:44She has now.
42:45I need to fill an extra chair.
42:46Kerry-Ann's on the Jeremy Carter,
42:48don't we?
42:56Kerry-Ann, welcome to my show.
42:57That's a very purposeful walk.
42:58Have you ever stolen from your mother?
43:00No, I haven't.
43:01What do you think of people
43:02that steal from them?
43:03They should be ashamed of their staff.
43:09So, why don't you believe you part of-
43:12I beg your pardon.
43:14What did you say, Alfie?
43:15What she said is a lord of rubbish.
43:18He was right in front of the-
43:21By me, Charlene,
43:22she would have done what you're saying.
43:25Was when me all that firework noise drinking?
43:27Yeah, we was all together.
43:29Can you remember?
43:30I don't think Alfie remembers a lot.
43:31Have you lost your memory?
43:32Don't tell you, Charlene,
43:34he's bailed right more times than you're at our dinners.
43:36No, hang on, hang on, shut up a second.
43:39Who used to pay for your bingo?
43:41Who used to help you out with food?
43:43Alfie did.
43:44So, don't treat him with disrespect.
43:46Yeah, well, maybe you should stop telling people
43:48to say something.
43:49Try and treat him with disrespect.
43:51You're very angry, aren't you?
43:51You tell her quite rightly to respect Alfie
43:54and you nick money out your mother's purse.
43:56Jules standards, isn't it?
43:58He's nicked stuff off his dead stepdad as well.
44:01No, I haven't, actually.
44:02No, I haven't, actually.
44:03Why are you so angry, pal?
44:04Because mum got the police involved with that, actually,
44:06and I was finding out that I didn't do it.
44:08Oh!
44:10As I've already said, as I sent a text message,
44:12I've got six sisters, you nick one of them.
44:14Good.
44:14Well, she's my sister.
44:16I don't give a...
44:17Why are you so angry, pal?
44:18Because I've had enough...
44:19She had the nerve to have a go at me about it.
44:22Quite rightly too.
44:23Yeah, fair enough.
44:24As I said, I didn't actually mean to do it,
44:26which I've explained to mum.
44:27Well, you haven't explained to me.
44:28How do you mean not to steal?
44:29Enlighten me.
44:30No, I didn't actually mean to do it.
44:31I forgot mum's card was connected to my Amazon account.
44:33And I purchased the film,
44:35and it added an extra charge of £79 on,
44:39which I didn't realise.
44:40So let me get this right.
44:41You both stole them from your mum.
44:42He's right in a way.
44:43He got lambasted last time,
44:45and quite correctly,
44:46you did exactly the same.
44:47There is absolutely no defence
44:48for stealing off anybody, is there?
44:50No, but I tell Manitoba straight after.
44:52I did try phoning her.
44:52Don't do it, though.
44:53No, you didn't.
44:54Yes, I did.
44:54I tried phoning her.
44:56Mum only found out when she went to the bank
44:57to try and go get some food.
44:59If it wasn't for Sharon bailing her out,
45:01she wouldn't have had any food in the front.
45:03What about Alfie?
45:04He always helps.
45:04Did he not?
45:05You are helping my notes anyway.
45:06Yeah, when?
45:07What did you say?
45:08No time, thank you, Charlene.
45:10He's always helping my notes.
45:11For such a big...
45:17You can just stay away from me, too, can't you?
45:20So come on, then, Charlene.
45:21If you didn't realise that you took the money,
45:24why have I got to bail her out
45:25when she didn't have nothing in it?
45:27You don't have...
45:29No.
45:30It's like...
45:30I really am.
45:31It's what the offender.
45:33If you work for a living
45:35and your argument was that I work...
45:37You don't rob your men with £120 for bingo
45:39when she needs it, does shit, do you?
45:42Say no answer to that.
45:44Is that a shot?
45:44And the other thing that's quite extraordinary,
45:46nobody should steal,
45:47is if you're working,
45:48and you made a big thing about that
45:49and said they're doll scroungers
45:51or whatever you said,
45:52why would you need to steal £120?
45:54Or did it, in fact, happen
45:54when you didn't know it was happening,
45:55you didn't mean to?
45:56No, I spend too much,
45:57but I did turn around and tell her.
45:59You close God's...
45:59You didn't, Charlene.
46:00Yes, I did.
46:01No, you're calling me up crying and saying...
46:03I'll turn around and tell her!
46:03...that there's £120, go...
46:05Were you trying to outdo your brother?
46:07No.
46:07Who could steal the most?
46:08You're as bad as each other.
46:09There's no other way of putting it.
46:10You've never stolen from your mother, have you?
46:12No.
46:12No.
46:12Because I've only just recently moved back to Gloucester, thanks.
46:16Why are you so...
46:17Then a 63-year-old tweak on the same thing.
46:18I'm only getting moved back to Gloucester, thanks.
46:21I'm fine, just don't worry about, actually.
46:24Yeah.
46:24I can prove it.
46:25Happy Christmas.
46:26And actually, if you were of me,
46:27so my mother said that she was...
46:29What are you doing for Christmas Day?
46:30Not the other way around.
46:31Sir?
46:32I think they'll be having Christmas lunch together.
46:35I didn't ask to get brought on here, did I?
46:37No!
46:38Sir, did I?
46:39Well, in which case,
46:40you could all do one.
46:41It's been lovely.
46:43Goodbye.
46:44Goodbye.
46:51If you want to be on this show,
46:52you need my help.
46:53Visit the website.
46:53The details is ever on screen.
46:55To the guests, to the audience,
46:56and to your home,
46:57thanks for watching.
46:57Christmas is coming.
46:59See you soon.
47:00Bye-bye for now.
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