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00:00On today's show
00:02You're saying? Don't try to tell him he's the dad. I don't believe that. Why?
00:06Sarah was telling Josh when she got pregnant that he was a lad.
00:11Liar! Josh knew my way a long day wasn't the baby's dad!
00:15Who's that?
00:16She's like a witch, isn't she?
00:20What are you gonna do?
00:21Don't start with me, Diane. What are you gonna do?
00:23What are you gonna do?
00:27Don't start!
00:27No! You're cheating on me!
00:36Faye, who is backstage, right, is going out with Scott, your ex.
00:41You're now with Andy.
00:42She says that since she got with him, you have made a very big effort
00:47to basically try and destabilise the situation because you want to go out with him.
00:53She was messaging Faye, telling her that she still loves me and a click of a finger.
00:57I'm here because to add these important pictures on Facebook, am I?
01:01That was so cool!
01:01Do you want to go out here?
01:03That was so cool!
01:23Good morning!
01:26Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:30My first guest, Peter, is here to demand a DNA test for his son Josh.
01:33Peter says that since Josh's ex-partner Sarah had a baby just nine weeks ago,
01:37she and her family have led Josh to believe he is the dad,
01:40despite the fact that Sarah cheated on him throughout the entire relationship.
01:44Peter says that because Sarah could not stop sleeping around,
01:46he refuses to even meet this kid until he knows for sure that it's his grandson and his son's son.
01:51He says, you know what? They ain't getting past me. Today we get the truth.
01:54Peter's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
02:01Come on. How are you?
02:04Fine, fine.
02:05Welcome to the show, Peter48.
02:07Josh is your son. Interesting, actually, for me, your son and Diane's daughter,
02:13this is what the story is about, but actually you two are first out.
02:17I know the kids are quite nervous.
02:18Your son Josh was with Sarah how long?
02:22A year and a half.
02:23She's 26, he's 19.
02:26What was the relationship like, Pete?
02:28It was fine to start off with.
02:31She'd come to our house, she'd bring her kids down.
02:34She had kids before?
02:36Yeah, she's got two little boys.
02:38What were you like when your 18-year-old son at that point brings home a 25-year-old girl
02:41with two kids?
02:42Serious question. Talk to me.
02:44I didn't like her at first, but...
02:48Is this difficult for you?
02:49Yeah, it is, yeah.
02:50Why?
02:51Not knowing whether...
02:53My son is being told that he's a dad to a baby.
02:56Yeah.
02:57How old's the baby?
02:58Nine weeks old, no.
02:59Right.
02:59You haven't met this child, you won't, and actually that's an interesting one
03:03because so many times in my life I've heard people say,
03:05well, I bonded.
03:06Well, why have you bonded till you know the truth?
03:07You're saying, don't try to tell him he's the dad.
03:10I don't believe that.
03:11Why?
03:14Sarah was telling Josh when she got pregnant that he was the dad.
03:19No, she was...
03:19She was sleeping with her.
03:22She was sleeping...
03:23Let him...
03:24Oi!
03:25What's the baby's dad?
03:27Sleeping...
03:27Sorry?
03:28Who's that?
03:29Who's that?
03:31That's not Sarah, is it?
03:32No, that's Diane, the mother.
03:33Is that the mother?
03:34No.
03:35We'll get to you in a minute, Diane.
03:36Is that Sarah there?
03:37Yeah.
03:38Yeah?
03:38Alright, well, stay seating.
03:40Sit down, mother.
03:40Lose the picture.
03:41Go on, carry on.
03:42She was sleeping with her ex-partner.
03:44How did you know that?
03:45Were you there?
03:46No, you used to go up there for the weekend.
03:49We tried to warn Josh that she was already pregnant.
03:52It was too late.
03:53He was heartbroken.
03:54I will not see this kid because I don't like anything about it till I know the truth.
04:00The mother likes to stir the pot.
04:03She loves to gossip.
04:04Me?
04:05Yeah.
04:06I really want Josh to be the dad.
04:08I know he's ready.
04:10Yeah.
04:11Why is it that every time she shouts, you go like that?
04:14Do you...?
04:14No, she's like a witch, isn't she?
04:19She's like a witch?
04:20Yeah.
04:20Am I?
04:21Right.
04:23Did you try and do a DNA test?
04:25We got the DNA kit and then it somehow disappeared out the house.
04:28Did it?
04:29Did it get burnt in the cauldron?
04:31If you let me finish.
04:32If you let me finish.
04:34Oh, go on then.
04:35She has another one of my sons, Joshua's brother, playing them against each other now.
04:41She's got him infatuated with her as well.
04:43Who has?
04:44Sarah.
04:46Sarah's had a relationship with Josh and might or might not have had a baby by her.
04:51And now she's with who?
04:52Now she's making a move on my other son.
04:55So both of your sons might have had sex with the same girl.
04:59Looking that way.
04:59But your point is, your son is heartbroken.
05:02He was told he is and now he's told he's not and he doesn't...
05:04Diane's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way!
05:07...
05:13...
05:14What?
05:14What are you gonna do?
05:15Don't start with me Diane.
05:16What are you gonna do?
05:17What are you gonna do?
05:20Don't start.
05:21Who are you?
05:22Don't start, see.
05:23Who are you?
05:24I swear to God, don't start.
05:25Who are you?
05:27You have met my babies.
05:30You met my babies.
05:34No, you even cheated on me.
05:37You're a baby, man.
05:40You're a baby, man.
05:42No, no, no.
05:51Shut up.
05:54Shut up.
05:55What, you're going to threaten me?
05:57Shut up.
05:57No?
05:58Your daughter shouldn't have met him at the same time.
06:01Your son's a little son then, should they?
06:03Your son knew from day one that he wasn't the baby's dad.
06:07No, he didn't.
06:07And he's not the baby's dad.
06:08No, he didn't even told.
06:09She didn't even told him he was the father.
06:12Sorry, could I ask a question?
06:15You're saying that, sorry, hold on a minute.
06:18Are you saying that she got pregnant by somebody else while she was with his son?
06:22No.
06:23What then?
06:24Shut up.
06:25No, she never.
06:26Well, then how could she be pregnant whilst they were...
06:28She was with me beforehand and then she was with you.
06:32Now, hold on a minute.
06:33Shush.
06:34They've been together 18 months.
06:35The baby's only nine weeks old.
06:37That means they must have been together for eight or nine months before she got pregnant.
06:40From what you've said, she got pregnant while she was in a relationship with him.
06:45Yes or no?
06:46She was...
06:47When she got pregnant, she slept with Josh and then Josh slept with his new girlfriend,
06:55Kelly.
06:56Yes, she did.
06:57Hold on a second.
06:58Hold on a second.
06:59So...
06:59When Sarah went...
07:01What you're saying is that they were in a relationship, everything was good, then he cheated, so she had sex
07:07with somebody and they are the father of the baby.
07:10Yeah.
07:10He is saying, am I right, you're now speaking, she told him he was the father?
07:14Yeah.
07:15You're saying that's not the case?
07:16No.
07:17It is the case.
07:17No, it isn't.
07:18It is the case.
07:20It is the case.
07:21It is the case.
07:23It is.
07:23It's not.
07:24He wasn't even with Kelly when he was sleeping with Sarah.
07:27He was sleeping with other people as well.
07:29No, he was not, Diane.
07:31Yes, he was.
07:31Yes, he was.
07:31Yes, he was.
07:32You're saying it's the one that was sleeping around, not him.
07:35And?
07:35If she was sleeping with...
07:36What do you mean, and?
07:37If she was sleeping...
07:37What do you mean, and?
07:38If she was sleeping, she slept with Josh.
07:40The matter is, we're here for DNA because your daughter doesn't know the father of her baby is.
07:46I know who the baby's dad is.
07:48Yeah, fair enough, yeah.
07:49I can't say, but it's not him.
07:51No, it's not him.
07:52So what am I doing, wasting money?
07:54It's not him.
07:55It's not him.
07:56Right, I'll tell you what.
07:57I'm going to bring some more people out because I feel like it.
08:00Is that Josh over there, is it?
08:01Let's get Josh, the son of the Jeremy Kyle show, that way.
08:06You liar.
08:08You told me I was.
08:10You told me I was.
08:11So did Sarah.
08:12No, I never told you.
08:13Sarah told me I was with dad.
08:15No, she never.
08:15Yes, she did.
08:16No, she never.
08:17She wasn't there when she told me.
08:18She told you from day one, Josh.
08:19She wasn't there when you told me.
08:21She told me.
08:22Sorry.
08:22Can we rewind if we could get.
08:24Can I tell you then if she told you?
08:26If I wasn't there?
08:27Sorry, could I?
08:28Hello.
08:29Do you know she didn't tell me?
08:30Hello.
08:30Oh, for God's sake.
08:31Can we get past that?
08:32Welcome to the show.
08:33You were with Sarah for how long?
08:35A year and a half.
08:36About nine months in or eight months in, there must have been a break because you slept with
08:41somebody else.
08:42She slept with somebody else.
08:43That's what they're saying.
08:44I never slept with no one.
08:46Then why does she go and have sex with somebody else?
08:48Because I went back to Sarah and told Sarah that I was seen at Birkenhead bus station with
08:55another girl.
08:56You're with this girl, right?
08:58Yeah.
08:58And she gets pregnant?
09:00Yeah.
09:01Does she tell you you're the father?
09:03Yes, she did.
09:04And shut up!
09:06Did she ever tell you you weren't the father?
09:08Yeah.
09:09So she's told you she is?
09:10You are and you're not?
09:11Yeah.
09:12And if you're not, she must have cheated on you?
09:14Yeah.
09:14How do you answer that, then?
09:15He doesn't slept with anybody else.
09:17She's been honest from day one.
09:19She's told him and the other potential dad that it's him or him.
09:23Shush!
09:23Be quiet.
09:24She says you're a freeloader.
09:25Won't work.
09:26It's all really good for you to sit there protecting your son.
09:28Doesn't work.
09:29Doesn't do anything.
09:29Just scrounges off people.
09:30No.
09:32I went...
09:33I was working when I was with Sarah.
09:36And I was giving...
09:37Playing football, Josh?
09:38I worked.
09:39Why would a bloke, right?
09:41This is a question for you.
09:42Who's not with your daughter, okay?
09:44Why would he be bothered unless he was desperate to be the father?
09:47Why didn't she just run for the hills?
09:49If he was told he's not the father and you think he's making this up,
09:51why is he here?
09:52He's here because he cares.
09:53Her daughter's coming out after this break.
09:55She says you're a fantasist.
09:56You cheated.
09:57So she had sex with somebody else.
09:58You're not the father.
09:59You can't let go of her.
10:00It's in your head.
10:01Leave her alone.
10:02We're back next.
10:03We've got the daughter, Sarah, and loads more people.
10:05Don't go anywhere.
10:05Right back.
10:07I'm a chief.
10:08You're the one that was messaging all the birds behind my back.
10:12You shut up and get off the stage.
10:14I'm not yours.
10:15That leave is mine, then.
10:16What percentage do you think he is the father?
10:18Zero.
10:19Zero.
10:20No chance.
10:21No.
10:21No.
10:22No.
10:31No chance.
10:32No chance.
10:32Welcome back.
10:33Before the break, talking to Peter, Diane, and Josh.
10:35You say I was with her daughter.
10:37She told me I was the father.
10:39That's why I'm here for a DNA test.
10:41You say, and I agree with this, Pete, I ain't getting involved with that kid until I know
10:44the truth, you say, couldn't be further from the truth.
10:46He's not the father.
10:47So you're implying your daughter cheated, yes?
10:51If you say so.
10:52Sarah the cheats on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
10:57I'm a chief.
10:59I'm a chief.
11:00You're the one that was messaging all the birds behind my back.
11:04No, I wasn't.
11:04I have messages.
11:06Okay.
11:06I got messages off the other girl when we were together that you were with Kelly.
11:11No way I'm with Kelly.
11:12Yes.
11:12Yes, she was.
11:13I got the messages.
11:14No way I'm with Kelly.
11:16Yes, sorry.
11:17I'm not.
11:19I see the messages on Jamie's phone off you.
11:23You've been told to stay away from his brother.
11:26Are you talking to his brother?
11:27No way you're texting to me.
11:29Are you texting?
11:31Do you love with me?
11:33Because you've got him sitting by you like this.
11:36I thought you weren't coming on me to argue.
11:40Sorry, hold on a minute.
11:41I was going to argue.
11:42Excuse me.
11:43No, you did.
11:44You did.
11:45Your mum started in mouth in the back there.
11:47She's shut up.
11:47You should have been calling me a man.
11:48Shut up, I said.
11:49No, I'm not your ass.
11:52You shut up and get off the stage.
11:54You told me that he was mine then.
11:56Could I?
11:57There you go.
11:58You told me he was mine.
12:00No, I was pregnant.
12:02Sorry, I could like to speak too.
12:05Hello.
12:06Hello.
12:07Right, sorry, I just want to get this without anybody else interrupting me.
12:10Is that your new girlfriend there?
12:11Yes.
12:11It'll take you along, has it?
12:12No.
12:12Just out of interest, I didn't ask you.
12:14Um, it implies this story that whilst you were with Josh, you got pregnant by another man.
12:20So you cheated on him.
12:21No.
12:21Well, how didn't you then?
12:23Because we weren't together.
12:25For how long?
12:26We were just seeing each other.
12:29We weren't together, together.
12:30Hold on a second.
12:31You were together.
12:31Don't anybody be quiet.
12:32You didn't speak when I wanted you to.
12:34Now you won't shut up.
12:35You were with him for 18 months.
12:36Did you split up during the 18 months?
12:38Yeah.
12:38For how long?
12:39He was with somebody else.
12:40Who?
12:41Him.
12:42How long were you apart for in the middle of the relationship?
12:46Oh, I don't even know.
12:47Can't even remember.
12:48Did you get back together?
12:50Yeah, when I was 35 weeks pregnant.
12:53Why didn't you tell him if he was the father, if he wasn't?
12:56No, he knew from day one.
12:57She says you knew from day one.
12:59No, we're never.
12:59Is he the dad?
13:01No.
13:02Not at all?
13:03No.
13:03You've never told him?
13:04No.
13:05Why are you here?
13:06She told me more.
13:07Because he brought me here.
13:08She told my whole family I was the father.
13:09Does anybody believe he's the father?
13:11No.
13:12Do you?
13:12Who are you?
13:13His girlfriend, obviously.
13:14Do you believe he's the father?
13:15Yeah.
13:16You do?
13:16Well, you weren't saying that on Friday outside my daughter's school, that he did not...
13:21He looked like him.
13:23He looked like the other dad.
13:25Oh, jeez.
13:26Who's Shona?
13:28Who's Shona?
13:29You've got no...
13:30Who are you?
13:34She's my best friend.
13:35And I've been there all the last eight months since she's had that, my baby.
13:39And you're lying for me.
13:40Wait a minute.
13:41You've been with her five minutes.
13:43No, we are in it.
13:44No, we are in it.
13:45Who are you?
13:46That's where you're wrong.
13:47This girl here...
13:48Could you do me a favour?
13:49Don't come on my stage until I ask you.
13:51Go, go, go, go, go.
13:54In a minute.
13:56Speak!
13:58You never told him he's the father.
14:00No.
14:00I want to speak to the new girlfriend.
14:01Did you have sex with him behind her back in the months that he was apart?
14:05Were you with him?
14:06No.
14:07I met him on the 31st of July and got together on the 3rd of August.
14:11What's going on here?
14:11Basically, I've read messages from the day you two got together.
14:15And you told him he was the father.
14:17And you turned round every time he believed he weren't the father.
14:20So you're saying he's not yours now, then.
14:23No, whatever.
14:23And into the way you got him to believe he can't father.
14:25Would he be a good father?
14:26He's an amazing father.
14:27You've got kids.
14:28What do you mean I got him to believe he can't father kids?
14:30In the messages, I've sent him as well.
14:34In the messages, you turned round and he believes he can't father kids.
14:38How?
14:39Sorry, can I ask her, because she's now in love with his brother, aren't you?
14:42No.
14:43You just said the brother loves me.
14:45You're loving it, aren't you?
14:46Why don't he move family?
14:47I love him as a friend.
14:49He is the only one out of that family that hasn't been in the back of the game.
14:52Why is he in your phone as my boy?
14:54He's my boy.
14:56No, he's not.
14:57I don't know to believe.
14:57Did she tell him, did she not?
14:59I don't understand.
15:00This is the bit that I don't get, right?
15:02Let's just say he was a lovesick fool and you were with somebody else and he still wanted you.
15:06He's got a new girlfriend.
15:08He's very happy.
15:09Why the hell would they be here unless they were, I don't know, they've been told something
15:14or given something that made them think there's a kid out there nine weeks of age.
15:17You're saying definitively he's not the father?
15:19No.
15:20Look, it weren't that long ago.
15:21I spoke to Sarah.
15:22Yeah, I hated her at the beginning.
15:24And we'd become talking.
15:25I turned round and I said to her, if Josh is the father, you're welcome at my house with
15:30all your kids so Josh can start bonding with the baby.
15:33I like you.
15:33And she said, okay.
15:34How old are you?
15:3633.
15:37How old's him?
15:38He's 19.
15:39Weren't meant to happen, but I happen.
15:40Dirty, dirty.
15:40I know, yeah.
15:41I'm happy.
15:42Give her a round of applause.
15:43I like it.
15:46What does this mean to you, pal?
15:48Loads.
15:50Why would he be here, Sarah?
15:52There we go.
15:53Water work.
15:54Water work.
15:55Why would he be here?
15:59Why would he be showing emotion unless it meant something to him?
16:03The thing is, Jeremy, if that was the case...
16:04I asked you a question, okay?
16:06Answer the question instead of shouting.
16:08Why would he be here?
16:08Why would he be...
16:09If this kid didn't even want to be...
16:12What's he got to do with you?
16:12Because I spend every day...
16:15I spend every day trying to deal with guys who don't seem to care.
16:18Here's a young man who's come to a television show because he wants to find out via a DNA test
16:22if he's the father to a baby.
16:23Most of them would run a mile.
16:24Why would he be doing that?
16:25What's he going to get from this?
16:27Nothing.
16:28Nothing.
16:29What's your mate called?
16:30Is there enough every day for two weeks?
16:31Nicola.
16:32Nicola's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
16:41You'd be brainwashed by that one.
16:43She threatened to put my best friend in a box, Jeremy.
16:45Yeah, I did, yeah.
16:46In a box?
16:46Yeah, I did, yeah.
16:47Are you serious?
16:48Free my door with my kids.
16:49With kids.
16:49In my house.
16:50With kids, Kelly.
16:51I said they'd put it in a box.
16:52With kids.
16:53Me and Sarah have sorted her out.
16:55You don't even know Josh.
16:56You don't even know Josh.
16:58You don't even know Josh, and you don't know the situation.
17:01So shut up.
17:02We're supposed to be here for Oliver.
17:04Yeah.
17:05So why are you shouting about her for now?
17:07So don't start.
17:08Because you don't even know what's going on.
17:11Really?
17:12You don't even know Josh.
17:14Josh, sit down.
17:15Leave him alone.
17:16What's your view?
17:17I don't like the idea of this, to be fair.
17:20The fact that this was...
17:22Maybe your friend should not have slept with two people then.
17:24What me got to do with her, what Oliver did not.
17:27I don't want to talk about that.
17:27But from day one.
17:28Is Josh the...
17:29We're the video call.
17:30Is Josh...
17:31Is Josh...
17:31Hello.
17:32Is Josh the father?
17:33No.
17:34Then can you explain something to me?
17:35Why would a man be on this stage crying, desperately wanting to find out if he knows categorically
17:41that he isn't?
17:42Why would he do that to himself?
17:43Are you sure that in a moment of anger or a fit of pete, your mate ain't said, you might
17:49be the father?
17:50Because it doesn't add up to me why he'd even be here.
17:53He's not out to humiliate her.
17:55You say that's an act.
17:56Because he thinks he's the dad.
17:58He's been talking black and white.
18:00Why?
18:01I don't know.
18:03Because of her Facebook messages.
18:04Interestingly, our next guest, he and I have never got on really, but this is quite
18:07a different situation.
18:09This guy is your ex-husband, who happens to be your best mate.
18:12Paul's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
18:13Let's do it that way.
18:21Paul, well, let's actually for once have a conversation.
18:23What's going on?
18:24What's your view?
18:25Well, I've seen from Josh's side, gone down.
18:29But Sarah's your stepdaughter, right?
18:31Yeah, but Sarah messaged me after the baby was born, asked me what you look like.
18:36I said Josh, and she wrote back to me, hat, no, it doesn't.
18:42Answer there.
18:43Because I asked him, because these were all saying, who did he look like?
18:46Because my old friend said he looked like Josh.
18:49So let me just get this straight.
18:51So I asked someone else's opinion.
18:53There's a story in front of me, which says, a bloke comes out and he says, my son's with
18:57this girl.
18:58She gets pregnant.
19:00She tells him he's the father.
19:02They split up.
19:03Now she's saying it's absolutely not.
19:05I don't, as a grandfather, want to bond because I don't know the truth.
19:09The son comes out, he's heartbroken.
19:11The friend comes out and verifies that.
19:13But on this side, we've got the mother, we've got the girlfriend, we've got the friend.
19:16You're all saying, 100% he ain't the father.
19:19You've never told him, but you can't answer me why, but you don't think he's the father.
19:22She worked out the dates.
19:24Not at all.
19:24And the dates didn't match up to Josh.
19:26So he's not the dad?
19:28No.
19:28He's not the dad?
19:29No.
19:29He's not the dad.
19:30What do you think?
19:31I'm not being funny, Jeremy, but you can make any baby.
19:33But why would he be here, Nick?
19:34Why would he be here?
19:35You can make any baby look like anybody.
19:37So, you know, the fact that they show a baby picture of Josh.
19:43Can I ask you a question?
19:44All babies are not the same to me.
19:46He's only, because when we were together, he was coming to my house.
19:50So he couldn't.
19:51When did you split up?
19:53He's still stalking her.
19:54After he got with her.
19:55Which was when?
19:563rd of August.
19:58No.
19:58Let's go.
19:59No.
20:02There's the baby.
20:03That's what this is about.
20:04Your baby.
20:05All right, love.
20:05He's gorgeous.
20:06All right.
20:07All over.
20:08You're horrible, you are, aren't you?
20:10Why would he be here?
20:11All over.
20:12Why would he be here unless he had some belief that he was?
20:15They got a DNA test.
20:17They did a DNA test.
20:18He's done all over.
20:20He's riding constantly harass every five minutes.
20:22Hold on, hold on, hold on.
20:23That's quite interesting.
20:23Nicholas is saying that he's still in love with her.
20:25Yeah, he is.
20:26He is?
20:26So you three have...
20:27No, we're not.
20:28If I was, I wouldn't be with Kelly.
20:31You told me I wanted you to tell you weren't with Kelly.
20:34So let me get...
20:35Hello?
20:37Let me get this right.
20:38Let me get a percentage.
20:39What percentage do you think he is the father?
20:41Zero?
20:42Zero.
20:43No chance?
20:44No.
20:44No.
20:45No?
20:45What about you?
20:46I'm hoping he's not gentlemen.
20:47He is the child's biological father.
20:57CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
21:11He's got me and his mother there to help me.
21:18Excuse me.
21:18Can I say something that's really, really obvious?
21:24You, Gobby, and you, and I haven't even started on you, let's have a bit of...
21:29Your daughter, your mate, slept with more than one man.
21:33She's the reason, and all you've done is fall back.
21:36Oh, my God.
21:38Did you do that?
21:39Did you do that?
21:41Can I do this differently?
21:42Can you do me a favour?
21:44Can you do me a favour?
21:46Can you come here?
21:47Can you come with me?
21:49Just you.
21:50Yeah.
21:50Because, guys, guys, for me, look at me.
21:53This is about her, and this is about Josh.
21:55Come with me.
21:57Hello.
21:58I don't want to hear any talking or any argument.
22:01Everybody's made mistakes.
22:02You're right in that, Nicola.
22:03But this girl, you caused this.
22:05Listen to me.
22:05Listen to me.
22:06Listen to me.
22:08We've got the truth, and he deserves to be involved.
22:11Can everybody...
22:11Now, please don't take this the wrong way.
22:13I don't want you here.
22:13I don't mean that badly.
22:15I don't mean that badly at all.
22:16I think the way you responded was marvellous.
22:19Is that all right?
22:20Sit down.
22:23Can everybody on that stage, seriously...
22:25Right, go and tell them.
22:26I'll get rid of them on stage.
22:28I want to do this properly.
22:33Right.
22:33The shouting stops.
22:35The acrimony stops.
22:37Have a look at the screen.
22:38That beautiful kid was created by you two.
22:44The thing is, Sarah, there can't have been no reason why I was here.
22:48But let's not go back.
22:50You're going to apologise?
22:51I'm sorry.
22:54If I knew for sure, I would have said Josh.
22:58You're going to let him see the...
22:59But I thought he was...
23:00You know who I thought he was.
23:02Is he going to be able to be involved now?
23:05Of course he can.
23:06Josh?
23:07But he sees him in a contact centre.
23:09Well, why is that?
23:09Because of all the trouble.
23:10Yeah, caused by the fact that you have...
23:12I've had something in my home.
23:13All right, but can we at least, before we start labelling it, can we at least try and agree
23:18that we've got the truth and we'll try and do the right thing, yes?
23:22Yep.
23:22Josh, talk to me.
23:23Time to man up.
23:25All I wanted is to see him.
23:28I'm told you, you can...
23:30Can you stop arguing?
23:31Can he see him now in the green room?
23:33Of course he can.
23:34Come and me, both of you.
23:35From the very one, you let me bomb with him and then you stop letting me see him.
23:39Because we...
23:40Because of all the trouble that went on, Josh.
23:43For me, it's really simple, right?
23:44There's a grandmother, there's a grandfather.
23:46Peter has a right.
23:47But this is about a mother and a father.
23:48Come here.
23:49Now, if you are going to do this correctly, you have to stop shouting at each other.
23:53We've got the truth today, right and wrong on both sides.
23:56I get that, OK?
23:57But this is about a kid, right?
24:01Now, listen to me, both of you.
24:03You don't have to be together, but your parents, OK?
24:06The family have had their say.
24:08This is about you two, OK?
24:10And by the way, I think your girlfriend's good.
24:15Can he hold him?
24:16Hello, baby.
24:18Hello, buddy.
24:19That's good.
24:20That's good.
24:20That's a mummy boy.
24:22Thanks.
24:23Can you hold him?
24:24I don't know, buddy.
24:28I love him.
24:30OK.
24:33You're going to stay to him.
24:36I just want to keep him safe.
24:40I'm always going to stop, Josh.
24:42We are going to work together.
24:43You two, come here, right?
24:44You created this beautiful boy.
24:46There are many people that don't get this opportunity.
24:49Whatever anybody else has said or done, that's finished.
24:51You have the truth, fair play to you for apologising, fair play to you, and look at him.
24:56He's worth it.
24:57He looks good.
24:57We're going to do this decently?
24:59Yeah.
24:59Promise?
25:00Yeah.
25:00You promise him.
25:01Appreciate you coming on the show.
25:02I'll leave you with Graeme.
25:03Give him a round of applause.
25:04Thank you for that.
25:05Thank you very much.
25:05Thank you very much.
25:09That's the most important thing.
25:11That kid now knows who his father and his mother is, will work with them and try and make it
25:15work.
25:15And after the break, a woman on that stage, she will only let her ex-partner see their kid if
25:18he can prove that he wasn't a cheat too.
25:20Don't go anywhere, because I'm right back.
25:21What's going on?
25:22Oh, there you go.
25:23That'll be it.
25:25Take it off the stage.
25:26It's all going out of the door.
25:28Why are you so disrespectful?
25:30Why not?
25:32I don't respect you.
25:34Don't respect him.
25:34So I'm not going to be respectful.
25:35Oh, my God.
25:36Be this time.
25:37Shut up.
25:39So you don't.
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26:21No, she's there on the other side of the door.
26:23I'll say it would be his best friend, yeah?
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27:33Welcome back.
27:33My next guest today, Faye, is currently outside our studios.
27:36She's really, really nervous.
27:37Basically, in a nutshell, coming to the show today to tell her boyfriend, Scott's ex-partner,
27:41Holly, you know, back off.
27:42Stop trying to bag me man.
27:44He's mine now.
27:45You've just made it really difficult since we got together.
27:47You know, you've been sending messages saying you love him.
27:50Faye basically wants to say, Holly, back off.
27:52Scott and I are happy.
27:53Let's go and have a meet with her.
27:54She's, um, she's really, really nervous.
27:57And, um, some people do that, you know.
28:00It's easy for us.
28:01We do it every single day.
28:02But for some, it's very difficult, I think.
28:04You all right?
28:05Why are we out here?
28:07Basically, I've got with Scott.
28:09No, no, no.
28:09Say, how long have you been with Scott?
28:11Uh, six weeks now.
28:12Seven weeks.
28:13Um, Holly's the ex.
28:14Yeah.
28:15And ever since she got together, she's...
28:16She's just telling me she loves him.
28:18And basically, she could click her fingers and he'd go back.
28:21I met her before, actually.
28:22It's not a bad description.
28:23Um, he's not responding, though.
28:26You're not bothered about him.
28:27No, I'm not.
28:27It's not.
28:28I see you be with Andy, I'm with Scott.
28:30Move on.
28:30Oh, she's got a boyfriend?
28:31Yeah, she's with Scott.
28:32But, uh, not Scott.
28:33She's with Andy.
28:34Yeah, that right, don't you.
28:35Blimey, right.
28:36So, she's with Andy, you're with Scott.
28:38There shouldn't be a problem.
28:39Yeah, but then she tells me she's not with Andy now.
28:41So, you think she's after your bloke.
28:42But you're not worried that you're bloke.
28:43Listen, I'll tell you what I'll do.
28:44Come on me.
28:44Let's put you...
28:45Um, let's put you in a nice, uh...
28:48Come on me this way.
28:49Let's put you in a nice, quiet area,
28:50and I'll go and find out from her.
28:52How bad is it?
28:53Oh, it's bad.
28:54It's making me paranoid all the time.
28:56She's playing mind games with me.
28:58What, so you're starting to think
28:59there might be something, isn't it?
29:00Yeah.
29:00If you're on this.
29:00Yeah, I'll be honest.
29:01You skedaddle around there.
29:03Take a seat.
29:04You can watch this.
29:05Just before I go and do this,
29:07what do you want to say to her today?
29:08Basically, leave Scott alone.
29:09You're not...
29:10He doesn't want to be with you.
29:12Let's go and see what she says.
29:13Good girl.
29:14Give her a round of applause.
29:14Let's see you later.
29:21So, let's see.
29:22So, that was Faye.
29:24She's with Scott.
29:25Apparently, the other woman is Holly.
29:26Give Holly a round of applause.
29:27There, gentlemen.
29:35We've met before.
29:37But what's going on?
29:38Well, I don't know, really.
29:39You know, I messaged Scott out of the blue
29:41because apparently he was homeless.
29:44Who are you?
29:47If you want to talk, come to the stage, yeah?
29:50Sorry, hold on a minute.
29:51No, if you want to talk, come to the stage.
29:52You're in the audience.
29:53Shut up.
29:55Is it your turn to talk?
29:57No, it's not your turn to talk.
29:58So, I suggest you take your...
30:00and...
30:01Yeah?
30:02Who are you?
30:03Ronnie?
30:06Why are you shouting out then, Ronnie?
30:07Because she's from a...
30:09That's why.
30:09Oh, you're not looking...
30:11That's all a state of those.
30:14Loose her.
30:15Lose him.
30:16Lose the one who thinks it's a sun lounger.
30:18Who are you?
30:18What's your relationship?
30:20I ain't got a relationship with anyone.
30:22I'm here.
30:22But why are you here, show now?
30:23Because I'm here.
30:24Because Andy's been putting pictures on Facebook
30:26of my daughter.
30:27That was just January 20th.
30:29That's why I'm here.
30:29Sorry, so you're a friend...
30:30Shut up!
30:31You're a friend of Faye and of Scott's?
30:33Yeah.
30:33And is this woman trying to get him back?
30:35Yeah, she is.
30:36Are you trying to...
30:37Nah, I'm really not.
30:38So Faye says...
30:40Correct, yeah?
30:40Loathe love.
30:42What?
30:42Type in loathe on your keyboard
30:44and it will automatically correct yourself to love.
30:47Get me an iPhone right now.
30:48Yeah.
30:48Oh, God, he's back.
30:49Are you allowed to do one?
30:50I'm so fast.
30:53Come here.
30:54Come here.
30:56So let me explain this story to you.
30:58So Faye, who is backstage, right?
31:00Is going out with Scott, your ex.
31:03You're now with Andy.
31:05Yep.
31:05She says that since she got with him,
31:08you have made a very big effort, okay,
31:12to basically try and destabilise the situation
31:15because you want to go out with him.
31:16You say, that's not true.
31:17I'm with Andy.
31:18You say, all I did was send him a text
31:20and I tried to write loathe.
31:22Yep.
31:23And watch this.
31:24Have you got this?
31:24L-O-A-T-H-E.
31:27Well, I don't spell that like that.
31:28So that's come out as loathe.
31:30So let's try love as well.
31:32Let's see if love comes out as loathe
31:33because I think you're a liar.
31:34L-O-V-E.
31:35Yeah, well, I think you're a c*****.
31:36I beg your pardon.
31:37I think you're a c*****.
31:41You think I'm a what?
31:42A c*****.
31:49What's your name?
31:51You should know my name.
31:51You said it twice now.
31:52What is it?
31:53Yes.
31:54Can I get a taxi, please, for Holly,
31:56who's leaving the building in the middle of the country?
32:08I've met you before, haven't I?
32:09Yes, you have.
32:09A little bit of a reputation you have, haven't you?
32:11What happened on the last show?
32:12Um, hmm.
32:14DNA test.
32:16Proved that I did sleep with Scott.
32:18That's about it, really.
32:19Proved that you did sleep with him
32:20despite the fact that you were slagging him off.
32:22Are you sure you're not just a player
32:23who rather fancies herself?
32:24I wish I was.
32:25I really do.
32:26Why are you trying to break up
32:27her relationship phase with Scott?
32:29Well, if she's so insecure after a month
32:32that she thinks I'm going to take Scott,
32:33where does she really aren't that good?
32:35You like it, though?
32:36You love the attention, don't you?
32:37Oh, I so wish I did.
32:37OK, let's get Scott out.
32:40This is the bloke who you say has got big ears.
32:43You say that you're not interested,
32:44but everybody else seems to think you are.
32:46Scott's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
32:52You need to stop with the messages.
32:54What?
32:55You need to stop with the messages.
32:56Me?
32:57I rang you once.
32:59Oi, sit down.
33:00So you used to go out with Holly.
33:03Now you're going out with Faye.
33:05She's going out with Andy.
33:05What's the problem?
33:06What's going on, Scott?
33:07She's messaging Faye,
33:08telling her that she still loves me
33:10and a kick of a finger she can have me back.
33:12Harry, she's that paranoid, Jack.
33:13Is she allowed to speak?
33:15Is he allowed to speak or not?
33:16No, not really.
33:18Who's that?
33:19Andy, whoa, Andy.
33:20Just shut up until it's your turn, all right?
33:22Oh, I said the same...
33:23Oh, yeah, just be quiet.
33:25Tell him to...
33:25Come on, sit down, tell me your side...
33:27What's going on?
33:28Oh, there you go.
33:29That'll be it.
33:30Come on, take her off the stage, Jack.
33:32Come on, go on.
33:33Out the door.
33:35Out of that door, yeah.
33:36Keep going out of the door.
33:37I don't want to sit near you.
33:38What if I sit near you?
33:39You f***ing stink.
33:41Yeah.
33:42So that's your ex?
33:42Yeah, I smell like roses.
33:43I actually use deodorant.
33:45What's this excuse?
33:46So you don't want to be with her
33:47and you don't want to be with him?
33:48No.
33:48But your girlfriend, Faye,
33:50who is quite anxious and is backstage,
33:52is nervous because of text...
33:53What did you say?
33:54I said, sure she is.
33:55Why don't you shut up a minute?
33:56Well, am I not allowed to speak?
33:58When I ask you to, yeah.
34:00Language you use, you shouldn't even be here.
34:02I'm sorry.
34:02Why are you so disrespectful?
34:04Why not?
34:06I don't respect you.
34:07Don't respect him,
34:08so I'm not going to be respectful.
34:09Oh, my God, be this time.
34:10Oh, shut up, you.
34:12Shut up, you.
34:12So you don't...
34:14You don't respect anybody, okay?
34:16How about you get off...
34:17Can't say, get off benefits, yeah,
34:18and actually do a day's...
34:19How about you, Holly,
34:20instead of sleeping around...
34:21How about you...
34:22Can't do that!
34:23Can't do that!
34:27Oh, here comes your girlfriend now, look.
34:39I may be fat,
34:40I don't look like a crackhead, do I?
34:43Really, you're a hard...
34:44Whale, so be quiet.
34:46At least I'm well fed.
34:48You don't want to stop taking on Andy,
34:49I'm the f***er.
34:51Cheating on Andy, mate.
34:52Really?
34:52I don't think you should look at him.
34:53He ain't cheating.
34:54Why are you so angry with her?
34:55Are you jealous?
34:56I will take a lie.
34:57I'm not cheating.
34:57She's brought me...
34:58They're together, are you...
35:00Excuse me.
35:03It's been...
35:04It's been...
35:04It's been...
35:04It's been your business.
35:05Then why tell me, then, yeah?
35:07Why go, oh, oh, I'm so paranoid,
35:08Scott still wants you,
35:09this is what I do.
35:10Gonna go to a break,
35:10back in a minute,
35:11thanks very much.
35:13She...
35:13They've been putting on Facebook.
35:16Get off.
35:17Just get off.
35:19Get off.
35:27Do you need to find out
35:28who is the father of the baby?
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36:02He used to go with her.
36:03He's now going...
36:04She thinks she...
36:05Can you be...
36:06I'm so paranoid.
36:07What's your boyfriend called?
36:08What's your boyfriend called?
36:10Sit out.
36:11Andy's done the Jeremy Giles show.
36:13There you go.
36:18What are you talking about?
36:20What?
36:21What?
36:22What?
36:22Start it.
36:26Sit down.
36:29What's your problem with their relationship?
36:31I ain't got no problem.
36:33So angry.
36:33Bring me here.
36:34Bring me.
36:35Did you?
36:36Shut up.
36:37I'm not talking to you.
36:37I'm talking to the thing.
36:39Thing.
36:40Yes.
36:40Thing.
36:41Not you.
36:42Why are you so angry?
36:43Why are you...
36:44I ain't...
36:45With her.
36:47But you're the one that...
36:49You've got one straight on one eye like that, mate.
36:51What is it?
36:54You want to go out of here?
36:59Yeah.
37:00Yeah, I am.
37:01You're best to do this.
37:02You talk about that...
37:03I've been on...
37:04I'm so sorry.
37:06Don't get away.
37:07Look at me.
37:07You know why?
37:08You know why?
37:10Get off.
37:10If you didn't anything here, you'd have to have trouble.
37:12Didn't you?
37:13Have you seen your lady?
37:14Oh.
37:14Funny.
37:15Run off.
37:15It's a milk drink.
37:16It's a milk drink.
37:17It's a milk drink.
37:18It's a milk drink.
37:18It's a milk drink.
37:18Ronnie.
37:19Ronnie.
37:19I happen to think you're amazing, but you're better than this.
37:22Come here.
37:22Just a man.
37:22She made the talk about my daughter and what they've been putting on Facebook.
37:27Who's your daughter?
37:27It's been up since January.
37:28This is a...
37:30Shut up.
37:30No.
37:31Shut up.
37:32Shut up.
37:33I don't want to hear this.
37:34Get off.
37:34Get off.
37:35Just get off.
37:36Get off.
37:45Scott.
37:46Don't give me a reaction.
37:47Do you know he wants a reaction, so you'll end up doing something you regret.
37:51Now sit down and go.
37:52Ronnie, can you explain to me?
37:54Come here.
37:54Come here.
37:55Explain to me this other side of this story.
37:58Explain to me about your daughter without anybody shouting.
38:01Go on.
38:01I was telling me he was on the show.
38:03Your daughter, who's called?
38:05Roxy.
38:06Yeah.
38:07And I didn't know, but Andy got a photo off the show, printed it on Facebook.
38:15Shut up.
38:16Wanted it to go viral.
38:17And he's also calling my daughter a horse and a donkey.
38:20She don't deserve it.
38:22Daughter's given us the permission to show this.
38:24He posted this on Facebook.
38:26Do not react.
38:27Just calm.
38:28Just place this up, please, Matt, if you can.
38:31See what I mean?
38:32Yeah, they're kind of funny.
38:33That's wrong.
38:34She's done nothing to them.
38:35Ha, ha, ha, donkey face.
38:37You have no taste in me.
38:38Listen, can I just, I say this almost every day now, right?
38:42Look at me.
38:44Seriously.
38:45We met before.
38:46Yeah.
38:46This guy is going to goad you and goad you and goad you until you do something that you regret.
38:52I get entirely what you're saying.
38:53For somebody who apparently doesn't like this bloke and insults him and says everything that she does,
38:59she's a foul-mouthed, vile human being.
39:00You can tell that by listening to her.
39:02Get out.
39:03Whatever.
39:06They strike me as the sort of people who want a reaction, you're giving them a reaction.
39:10What do you have to have to do with them?
39:12That's what I'm asking all of you.
39:13What do you have to do?
39:14Look, mate, look at me.
39:15I've met you before.
39:16He wants you to react like this.
39:18He's insulting you personally because this is because...
39:20Of course, but hey, guess what?
39:22Be better.
39:23Walk away.
39:23Stick your nose in the air.
39:25They are what they are.
39:26Do you want to be with her?
39:27No.
39:29Do you want anything to do with any of them?
39:30No.
39:31I want it ended.
39:32But I want you for putting that picture up for my daughter.
39:35You're not going to get an apology, are you?
39:35You're not going to get an apology.
39:36Your daughter's right.
39:37You're going to get to us.
39:38Just get on with my life, move on.
39:40I'll deal with this.
39:41Listen, promise me.
39:43I will read that you've got into trouble with the law and he'll laugh all over his stupid
39:47face, OK?
39:48Because I won't let him.
39:48No, I won't let him.
39:49So you're better than that.
39:50Take a breather.
39:51Give the three of them a round of applause.
39:59You don't really need to have anything to do with them, do you?
40:02Do we?
40:02They're the ones messaging me.
40:04You need to have anything to do with them.
40:06No.
40:06Why don't you just go and get on with your lives?
40:08Because they won't let us.
40:10He messed with me.
40:11You know what I mean?
40:12We'll put me back in a few months because more messages will be sent.
40:15No, no, here's the thing.
40:15You're never coming back here because of what you said.
40:18I don't know.
40:18No, no, no, no.
40:19Get out.
40:20No, just get out.
40:22Just get out.
40:22Just get out.
40:23Get them out.
40:28Don't follow them.
40:29I don't want to.
40:30You know, just get them out.
40:32I mean it.
40:33You can sit here and go, this is right, this is wrong, we're this.
40:36We're that.
40:38You know what you know in life, don't you?
40:39Why do you need to?
40:40People like that, they want a response from you, Scott.
40:44And you nearly gave him a response.
40:46You give him a response, you'll smile all over his face.
40:49Take your lady, take this lady, stick your nose in the air and be the bigger person.
40:53That's the best advice, okay?
40:54Get out of here, you three of you.
40:55Give them a round of applause.
41:06Good luck to them, we'll let you know.
41:07And just to prove the Jeremy Carl Show is about different stories, we'll change tack completely.
41:12Next guest today, Shauna is really brave to be here.
41:14She tragically lost her cousin just seven months ago to cancer.
41:17Now, cousin Shelly was sadly just 27 when she lost her life.
41:20But shockingly, Shauna says that during a family birthday celebration for her cousin at the grave,
41:24a music speaker went missing.
41:26Shauna says she needs a lie detector test doing today.
41:28As the speaker was literally, check this, the last present Shelly bought her young sibling before she died.
41:33Now, this lady says, whoever took this is the lowest of the low.
41:36This was a woman who meant so much to me.
41:38She was a shining light and today I'm getting justice.
41:40Shauna's next on the Jeremy Carl Show that way.
41:45How are you doing?
41:45Are you all right?
41:46Hello.
41:47How are you?
41:49I like your hair.
41:49Welcome to the show.
41:50Thank you very much.
41:51Now, just explain, because people are going music speaker.
41:54What's the good?
41:54Well, the music speaker has a lot of significance to Shelly because Shelly was my oldest cousin.
42:00And like you just said, she passed away of cancer at the age of 27.
42:03But it's not just that.
42:04Shelly fought all her life.
42:05I mean, when she was four and a half years old, she got diagnosed with an immune deficiency.
42:10So she wasn't even supposed to make it to a teenage life.
42:13Do you know what I mean?
42:14There she is, yeah.
42:15And she made it all the way until she was 27.
42:19She made it all the way up until.
42:21You said she was precious.
42:22Oh, she was precious flower, the preciousest flower in the whole family.
42:26I mean, she was.
42:27She was.
42:27We'd get ready to go on nights out and she'd be going through a chemotherapy like we'd be
42:31doing our hairs and she'd be getting her hair shaved off.
42:34But she'd always have a smile on her face.
42:37Never let anything bring her down.
42:38And you see, her brother was like her son because Shelly couldn't have kits of her own.
42:42So he was the most precious thing in her life.
42:44So she had cancer for years.
42:46She was so dignified.
42:47Oh, yeah.
42:47She planned her own fuel.
42:48She did.
42:49We never saw her cry.
42:50Never.
42:51She bought her brother this speaker before she died.
42:53Yeah.
42:55You went to the grave to celebrate.
42:56We did, yeah.
42:57We went off to let off some balloons and some messages just to tell her how much she would
43:01love her because when she first got diagnosed, we knew that she wouldn't make it.
43:05And we had a celebration, as we called it, but it was a celebration.
43:08We called it a celebration.
43:10And I mean...
43:11Most family were there and this speaker was nicked.
43:13Yeah, yeah.
43:13Now, a lot of people would go, what speaker does it matter?
43:15Yeah, it does because it matters a lot because it was the last thing that she bought.
43:18It matters a lot to a little brother or my auntie.
43:19Yeah, it does.
43:20It really does.
43:20You say it's destroyed us all.
43:21It has.
43:23The suspects in this are a lady called Melissa.
43:25Who's Melissa?
43:27Melissa's a friend of the family.
43:29No, no, Melissa for a very long time.
43:31Right or left?
43:32Right.
43:32Okay.
43:33Yeah.
43:35Melissa is a new face.
43:36She didn't know Shelley.
43:37She had no reason to be there, to be honest.
43:39The other suspect is Margaret.
43:40Margaret, part of the family.
43:41Yeah.
43:42Margaret, very close.
43:43No, they're for a long time.
43:44And bore Melissa with her.
43:45Brought Melissa with her, yeah.
43:46So you're accusing these two?
43:48I'm not accusing Jeremy.
43:49I'm not accusing him.
43:50Don't tell Jeremy Couch you're doing.
43:51I like to take the test.
43:52No, no, I knew he was going to say that, but I'm here to be my auntie Maggie's voice at
43:55the
43:55end of the day.
43:56Now, this is Maggie, by the way.
43:57Shelly's mum, I've got a statement for her.
43:58She's Jess, I'm sorry I can't be there today.
44:00I'm still grieving the loss of my daughter.
44:02This has torn me apart.
44:03My daughter Shelley lost her battle with cancer in November.
44:05While celebrating her birthday, someone has stolen a speaker from her grave.
44:09Everyone there loves Shelley, and I know that none of our family members that were there
44:12would have taken it.
44:13The only people that we didn't know, the only person we didn't know was Melissa, therefore
44:17is the only person I believe could have taken it.
44:19I can't believe anybody would do this to me and my family.
44:21I'm too heartbroken to travel.
44:23Yeah, she is.
44:24She's very distraught.
44:25Shelly was alive.
44:27She was alive.
44:28She cared for all those many years.
44:30Today, it's about the honour of your cousin.
44:33Yeah.
44:34And it's about finding out if Melissa and Margaret are telling the truth.
44:36Are you all right to get them out?
44:37You okay?
44:37Yeah, that's absolutely fine.
44:38All right, darling.
44:38Melissa is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
44:48Not many people who come out on the Jeremy Kyle Show when they're accused of stealing
44:52something and doing something so heinous would smile at their accuser.
44:55But welcome to the show, Melissa.
44:56You say today I've come to clear my name.
44:58Yeah.
44:59Why were you at the grave, though?
45:01I went with Margaret.
45:02Sorry?
45:02I went with Margaret.
45:03But you didn't even know the woman who had died.
45:05I know, but everyone's kind of close.
45:07She didn't know what about her, so she respected what she'd heard.
45:10You nicked the speaker?
45:11No, I didn't know.
45:12What's it like to be accused?
45:13You need to tell her this is really important.
45:15Because Huddersfield, like, it's very big family in Huddersfield, isn't it?
45:17It's horrible because people don't know me and I'm kind of new to the town, so it is
45:21horrible having everyone kind of pointing their finger at you.
45:23But I understand where, like...
45:24Who rang this show, by the way?
45:25I just...
45:25Did you?
45:26Yeah.
45:27See, now, a lot of people, they say, well, why would I cheat if I rung the show or why
45:30would I tell a lie?
45:30But sometimes they do.
45:34The fingers are pointing to me because I'm a stranger.
45:36I'm 100% sure I passed the test.
45:37Margaret's your mate as well.
45:38She's also in the box.
45:39Margaret's on the car show.
45:40Give her a round of applause that way.
45:52Really appreciate you coming here as well.
45:54You say, you know, I went because of respect and then I get accused, which is disgusting.
45:59No, I didn't get accused.
46:00I've just done it to prove I had nothing to do with it and I don't know who's taken it.
46:03But there must be people who think that you did it if you've done a lie.
46:05I do.
46:05I've got doubts thinking people think it, yeah.
46:07Yeah?
46:08What's that like?
46:09Oh, it's bad, especially when you know the family for so long.
46:11I've never said that.
46:11I know, I know I haven't.
46:13But personally said I'm not going to call anybody.
46:14But because Melissa lives with me and because I've known Melissa all my life.
46:17Do you know what I mean?
46:18So, I'm going to blame her and she's living with me, you do have doubts, don't you?
46:21Of course.
46:21And a lot of things, and we'll do the results really quickly, a lot of things, a lot of the
46:25time,
46:26it just spreads, doesn't it?
46:27And people say things, right?
46:28Do you seriously think either of these would do this?
46:31Do you know, Jeremy, there's like a 50-50 chance.
46:33I can't honestly say no when I can't honestly say yes.
46:36Start with Margaret.
46:37Simple question.
46:38Two, actually.
46:38Did you steal the speaker in question?
46:40You said no.
46:40Why'd you say no?
46:41Tell her the truth, ladies and gentlemen.
46:45Also, just in terms of would you be involved, would you know about it?
46:49Do you know for sure who stole the speaker in question?
46:51Margaret said no.
46:52She passed both questions.
46:53She was telling the truth.
46:54Thank you, Margaret.
46:56Ah, ba-da-bum-bum-bum.
46:58But you're the outsider.
46:59I know.
47:00The most confident face I've ever seen for an outsider.
47:02Yeah, it probably has, yeah.
47:03You still the speaker in question, we asked Melissa.
47:05You said no.
47:05Why did you say no?
47:06She was telling the truth as well, ladies and gentlemen.
47:10And she passed both questions, so I'm not nice.
47:14Any ideas?
47:15I've never had Jeremy like I said.
47:16Any ideas?
47:17I have no.
47:17The thing is, now it's going to hurt me, Maggie, because it's someone who's very,
47:20very close to the family.
47:21The only outsider there was, was Melissa.
47:24That's the only reason.
47:25Fair play to them for coming, though, to be fair.
47:27What did my, what did my, what did my, what did my, what did my, she said?
47:29The first thing she'll do is apologize.
47:31She said, I'm not coming to your label and anybody is a thief.
47:33That's the worst thing I could do, especially not knowing the girl.
47:36Have you lost your daughter, though?
47:37It's a pretty tough, doesn't it?
47:38Yeah, the woman's grieving as well.
47:40I think she'd rather look further away to home, then closer to home, because it's going to hurt
47:43Amar being someone who's very close.
47:45I really appreciate the fact that you came and you did it.
47:47I hope that gives you some closure.
47:48Obviously, there's other people as well, but thank you for coming.
47:50All right, we'll get the three of you to get that way.
47:51Give them a round of applause.
47:52Thank you very much.
47:53Thank you very much indeed.
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