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00:09on today's show tracy has it approved that jimmy a man she had sex with 27 years ago is indeed
00:17the
00:17father of her daughter emily she said this guy even pretended to be dead i got told that
00:24jimmy was dead just get me on the stage then and have it out because she's lying you say that
00:30he's a
00:30coward he's pathetic he's never done enough for this child you've got more lines you've got more
00:35lines you're getting this for you can't lie to me you've ruined that kid because of this
00:43yeah you have to the rest what you've done to what you're terrible
00:51lots of stuff went missing you are accused straight away phone bank card everything
00:58she was carted out of the house and put in care hasn't been back in the parents at mother's house
01:02for nine years though jimmy never again i should be with you not for some of the stuff you've done
01:08no way you said that when your daughter went into care you felt relief i did feel the relief
01:16look come here come here i'm your sister
01:21telling the truth look at me are you yeah
01:46my first guest today tracy is here to prove that jimmy a man she had sex with 27 years ago
01:52is
01:52indeed the father of a daughter emily now tracy says that she tried to help emily find jimmy
01:57but he did everything he could to stay away even going as far as pretending to be dead
02:01to avoid being a father tracy says she's 100 sure that jimmy is the father to her daughter and today
02:07she says she will prove it a massive day tracy on the jeremy kyle show that way
02:19are you nervous all right listen what's coming all right we'll get to you mate give me a minute
02:25let me try and get me up yeah can you just wait till i start be quiet
02:41here's the thing that i want to put to you like this okay look at me i'll hear her side
02:45then i'll
02:45hear your side then you can do whatever just don't shout out until i've heard the story stop swearing
02:50stop being gobby button it till i get you out there let her have her say and then you can
03:03come
03:03and tell us your bit all right that's a lovely moment jimmy thank you very much indeed
03:12welcome to the show thank you do you need to speak up a bit you're obviously very quiet
03:16uh tracy you are emily's mother emily is 26 uh catheter's sister 27 years ago you had a one
03:24night stand with that gobby man back there called jimmy tell me take me through everything because
03:28tell me the story um we met up one night he come back to my house um one thing led
03:35to another
03:37obviously he lied didn't he and said he was 18 but he was actually 16 years of age you were
03:4118 yeah
03:42yeah it was a one night stand no contraception how quickly uh after that did you discover you
03:46were pregnant about a month two months after i found out i was pregnant with emily did you tell
03:51jimmy yes we did you did yes we went to his parents lives what was his response this is very
03:58very
03:58important um he was shocked but you told my team he couldn't care less yeah basically and then and
04:03this is important to the story you said you started to get a lot of grief so these other people
04:08that
04:08spread these lies this freaked you out a bit yeah it did what did you do darling um obviously
04:14told him that she wasn't his because i had let's just slow this down yeah because you were trying
04:20to protect yourself and your kid you told him that he wasn't the father and off you went into your
04:25life yeah didn't hear from him no rebuilt your life yeah had other kids yeah yeah another two children
04:33okay emily i know had a very happy upbringing yeah gets to 13 and you decide it's time to tell
04:40her
04:40the truth how'd you go about that trace um sat down told her that obviously she's got different
04:45dad to the other three children how did she respond though she was obviously shocked upset
04:52told her who he was with that did she want to find him straight away did she did she say
04:57mum i want
04:58to meet him did she say mum i hate him what did she say she did um my sister went
05:04into a shop
05:04cath yeah um he was stood at the counter of the shop and don't just please before i'd really
05:13although i head back that camera just talk to me you know him told emily while she was with uh
05:18that
05:19there's your dad with that he walked out of the shop apparently his feet couldn't disappear quick
05:24enough um you told my team this guy would do anything to hide his whereabouts yeah even
05:30pretending ready what is this true that he's got a different name which i didn't know about
05:41the truth is you said this guy even pretended to be dead by changing his
05:46speak up i got told that jimmy was dead um off a good few people um with that obviously
05:59do you think that was him trying to get out and being a dad bring this story full circle
06:05just get on the stage then and have it out because she's lying i'll get to you jimmy don't
06:11peak too soon son get rid of the picture matthew
06:18get rid of the picture matthew let him talk to the wall listen to me
06:23how long ago was it that your daughter decided to go and find jimmy about about 15 years
06:31um not 15 years well not 15 years when she was 15 yeah they met up and this is really
06:37important
06:37they met up very recently um first meeting was fantastic he was really really happy and
06:44didn't know about it he said we'll get his side second time it was with his current wife is that
06:50right yeah what happened then this is really important really important story he come to my
06:54house um obviously i introduced him to emily's stepdad obviously um emily with that emily got it
07:01walked in the kitchen he walked into the kitchen with emily obviously
07:11said to emily basically dna i know you're mine 100% with that his wife sat in my front room
07:19and said
07:20do you mind if we have a dna now there's a reason for this and i have to say and
07:25it's a real twist on
07:26this story and i get this and this is a respectful comment jimmy's current wife has cancer and is not
07:33well at all and what she said which i completely adhere to is i just sort of however much time
07:40i
07:41might or might not have i i really want to know the truth because it's not fair on me it's
07:46not fair
07:46on jimmy so that's why the dna is being done but in your mind but in your mind it's irrelevant
07:52you say
07:53it's not needed i'm 100% sure you say that he's a coward he's pathetic he's never done enough for
08:00this
08:00child yeah he's known all of his life but then you said as well you told him that he wasn't
08:05yeah so if you told him he wasn't how can he be disgusting cowardly and pathetic because then
08:11presumably until she pitched up he believed you why didn't you go back to him and say you are that's
08:18my question because we couldn't find him you couldn't find him so he could have done more is what
08:21you'll say all right jimmy's on the jeremy kyle show that way
08:30you're an absolute liar all right i was 16 you know i was 16 you did know i was 16
08:38right
08:39it wasn't one night night sun i came to your house for a cup of coffee
08:42that we died i was out of that window oh no no no you was a woman that had three
08:48kids i was a kid
08:50at the time right but you didn't you know you didn't refuse to take it out of your pants
08:54all i didn't i didn't say i did right but how many other people did you have
08:58he said sleeping with you was a horrible experience then he ran home
09:02i died out of the window as you know i did because no one no one see that i was
09:07there
09:07everybody knew you were there and everybody oh yeah apparently all these
09:12people knew why did no one tell me you even told your own brother put it no
09:17no no you've got more wise in this role you can't I swear to God you're a liar
09:24all right you don't know I'm sorry sorry can I just excuse my sorry can I just
09:28ask you a question no no you need to listen to me what's the Danish role it's
09:33um it's with loads of holes in it you know I've got a lot of stuff going on in my
09:42mind at the moment
09:42I know I know and Jimmy the reason I wanted you to be quiet was I want to get her
09:46side now I want
09:46your side because this is a markedly different story and this guy is going through the ringer
09:51at the moment please don't say a word you say I met this girl when I was 16 years of
09:56age right
09:57I had a couple of sessions with her that didn't sound right did it one one you stud
10:02yeah there we go did she then this is really important tell you she was pregnant she come to
10:08the house I do remember her coming to the house yeah with her sister saying that she's pregnant
10:13what was your response how did you react freak out I'm like no it's not mine and all that yeah
10:17but she says it was right and then she's gone another mum come to my house and said she said
10:23the
10:23same thing to her son she told you you weren't the dad and then she disappeared yeah so your point
10:28was and this is very relevant why would I have done anything for 25 years because I was told
10:33the kid wasn't mine and the first thing I knew is when my daughter allegedly pitched up a couple of
10:39weeks ago on Facebook and I met her she phoned me I was out playing with my kid and my
10:43grandkid
10:44on Sunday I got a phone call I was there the next day if it was that much of a
10:48bad put you know I was
10:49there the next day and I didn't know she was mine just in case what about when you met Kath
10:53when the
10:53kid was 13 years of age in the shop and you ran out quicker than your feet so you only
11:00knew about
11:01this that's just that's just lies it's all lying so you knew nothing until very recently you didn't
11:11know anything until recently Jimmy no until tell them when Emily got hold of you what you did you met
11:17her didn't you I did feel something with her you know she's she's a lovely woman she really is I
11:22feel so sorry for her she's dead Timmy she's scared she's gone through the ringer herself where were
11:27they when girls gone through where was the truth then looking after her you know she's been battered in
11:34boot well where were you then me why have you stood right outside of it why is she a wreck
11:38like that if
11:39you're a perfect I know and this one and then the best thing is you don't want me to be
11:44a dad you
11:44want him to be the dad why you said that use you know free you said it is on the
11:49text I text you I
11:52text you oh my god when I haven't even what you're saying is is that from the moment you met
11:57her you
11:57felt a connection and then you started to think and you got upset because these blokes who have
12:02been in her life have not been there and have not done really what they should have done and if
12:06you'd been there you'd have done more do you believe she's your daughter you do don't you
12:13can we talk I know it's difficult I know you got upset but there's a reason for this about your
12:18wife and I'm sorry I know your wife is not good right she's I'm sorry mate genuinely genuinely you
12:27right yeah and you got to get it done but she wants the DNA because she says I understand I
12:33want
12:34DNA because she's told that many lines and I agree with your wife and you I think she told me
12:41one
12:41thing and another she said that I met her saying yeah I've been married 15 years been married 15
12:46years so my wife would have known around the shop so she said that's a blatant lie you're a hundred
12:51percent sure is the dad yeah and if you are the dad as she says you are you want a
12:55relationship with
12:56Emily and you want to have it in black the truth is darling as we go to this break you
13:00did tell him
13:01he wasn't yeah I know you tell somebody they're not what the hell do you expect them to do play
13:05Stanley for 25 years why didn't you tell him a week later or when you were safe you are the
13:10dad
13:10start being in his life Emily's next on the Jeremy card show I'm right back I don't care what she
13:15said
13:15she's a liar and she's doing the wrong and she needs to stand up and she needs to apologize look
13:19she's
13:20hidden the wrong I have apologized to her you need to get on your knees and rubble and tell her
13:25you
13:26saw that it's not just my mom's fault she's always been there for me
13:33do you need to find out who is the father of the baby do you need that all-important DNA
13:38test
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14:10you know 27 years ago you had a one-night stand with this young man you get pregnant you know
14:15it's
14:15his kid but you told him he wasn't you disappeared I didn't disappear could he have done more how could
14:21he have done if you told him he wasn't a father you've denied your daughter a father by lying
14:30answer it you've ruined that kid because of this no I haven't ruined it does that make you mad
14:37she would have been she's in the state no one will touch my children I like that let's get her
14:45on the
14:45Jeremy Kyle show this is Emily ladies and gentlemen coming that way with Graham
14:59how are you darling you're right not easy for you I know you're nervous I know you're shy but it's
15:04very important that we get the basis of this story can I just bring something up straight away um
15:11the truth from you is really important growing up you had no idea till you were 13 no what were
15:17you told at 13 darling my sister's dad wasn't my dad how did that make you feel do you remember
15:23it was upset but to me I've always seen him as my dad for 13 years so does that then
15:29set off in
15:29your mind do you want to ask where my dad is why he hasn't been there yeah she told me
15:33the answers
15:34that I wanted to know and then when obviously I tried searching for him did she tell you always
15:38that it was Jimmy yeah I was and how did she explain the fact or did she not tell you
15:43that
15:43she told Jimmy he wasn't the dad and actually because of her action she kept Jimmy away from
15:46you she explained it but that was a choice back then Jimmy and you met yeah what was that like
15:54the first time amazing talk to me well it was that good obviously I don't always that up
16:02I've never seen him before
16:05it was
16:06how does that make you feel does it make you feel like you've been denied 24
16:09yeah I have if it is there I have
16:13what do you think
16:14and she's I don't care what she says she's a liar and she's in the wrong and she needs to
16:18stand up
16:18and she needs to apologise for that child she's in the wrong
16:22I have apologised to him
16:23you need to get on your knees and grubble and tell her you're sorry
16:26it's not just my mum's fault she's always been there for me
16:29yeah but how could he be there if he didn't think you were his kid I'm being serious
16:32yeah I understand that
16:33here's the thing Em right um the first time you saw him it was great and I can tell you
16:38like a cold spring
16:38and I get all of that um but the second time you met him he was with his wife and
16:43you told my team
16:44I just felt like the second time she pulled him back and I didn't feel he was the same
16:52do you know why now
16:53yeah I understand
16:54she's done a statement I want to get to the bottom of this before it's too late for me
16:57I was unfortunately diagnosed with terminal cancer and I want to know the truth sooner rather than later
17:02I believe that Tracy thinks this DNA test is my fault because I was honest and said I needed to
17:07know the truth
17:07because I'm not willing to share my husband and daughter until we know 100% that Emily is his child
17:14and I get that absolutely and utterly
17:18yeah I do I understand I understand that I told him that I'd back away and let him live his
17:22life
17:22how he wanted to live it
17:23do you want him to be your dad
17:23yeah I want him to be my dad yeah
17:25do you believe he's your dad she's 100% yeah
17:27well I was 100% and then obviously when the DNA test come obviously I had my doubts
17:31but
17:32but that's just so she's you know I think that's just black and white really
17:34Kath is your sister
17:36yeah
17:36interesting lady central to this story
17:38Kath's next on the show give her a round of applause
17:48Kath welcome to the show um what's going on here because you've actually quite central to this story
17:53you did not tell me 13 years ago and I run out of words
17:56it might not have been 13 years ago
17:58you've never told me
17:58there was a time I was stood in the shop
18:01you're full
18:01no I'm not full
18:06all the children
18:07my children was in the shop
18:09all the children
18:10yes my children
18:11Tracy's children
18:13so when
18:14I went down to her
18:15I said there's your dad
18:16how old was her
18:16I can't remember
18:18you can't remember
18:19apparently
18:20but your sister told him he wasn't the dad love
18:23that's my problem with this story
18:24because
18:25because
18:25I used to parent them all the time
18:27and I know she's slaving up with people
18:29I know she did
18:31because the lad told me he did
18:33she's 100%
18:34I'm not bothered about that
18:35I'm bothered about the fact that this woman
18:37told him
18:3825 years ago
18:39he's not the father
18:40what the hell is he supposed to do
18:41I'll be here every single day
18:43saying that blokes who don't
18:44face up to their responsibilities
18:46are a disgrace
18:47but what is a bloke supposed to do
18:48if he's told
18:49that's not your kid
18:50well as soon as I found out
18:51the next day
18:52even knowing I'm not knowing
18:54I was there
18:54the next day I was there
18:56what was it like for you
18:57when you met him the first time Jimmy
18:58I'm serious
19:00I did I felt something
19:02I did
19:03not lying
19:03you know what I mean
19:05you've got a lot going on in your life
19:07haven't you
19:08would this
19:09would this
19:11this daughter
19:12would this be
19:14a good thing
19:15at a difficult time
19:17I thought like this question
19:18and I don't know
19:21it's a hard one to answer
19:23it's like
19:27it's to be up here
19:28but I can't be up
19:29because I'm going through so much
19:30at the moment
19:31imagine what she's sitting there
19:32thinking and going through
19:33after 25 years
19:34it's a quarter of a century
19:35no I understand
19:35no that's what I'm saying
19:36maybe she'll turn out to be
19:39the tower of strength you need
19:40at a very difficult point
19:41no I know
19:42and they could be
19:43either side
19:44I just generally can't answer
19:45that question
19:46any regret
19:48for lying
19:50Tracey
19:50yeah
19:51because in essence
19:52what you've done is
19:53you've denied your daughter
19:53a father
19:54well to me I've always
19:55had a good upbringing
19:56how sure are you that he's the father
19:58100%
19:58if you are
19:59and I know you are as well
20:00Catherine you are
20:01but what do you want
20:02when that's read out
20:05she is mine
20:06I don't want nothing to do
20:07with any of them
20:08apart from Emily
20:09and you want a close relationship
20:11with your dad yeah
20:12yeah
20:12three minutes to wait
20:13to find out if she's your daughter
20:1425 years
20:15we're back with DNA next
20:16don't go anywhere
20:1826 years
20:19the DNA test results show
20:21that Jimmy
20:31do you need to find out
20:32who is the father
20:33who is the father of the baby
20:34do you need that
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20:38and you want to be considered
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21:06welcome back before the break
21:07Tracy, Jimmy, Emily and Kath
21:08I watched you during that break
21:09Emily
21:10this time in your leg
21:10massive moment right
21:12what would it mean
21:13if he was your dad
21:14everything
21:15can you imagine
21:16just having a good time
21:18and a good relationship
21:19and being there for him
21:20at a very difficult time
21:21and Jimmy for you
21:21it would be amazing as well
21:22right
21:24yes
21:25yes
21:25100%
21:27yes
21:27100%
21:28I know it's a difficult time
21:30but I need
21:30think you know
21:31you might need to convince her
21:32I know it's difficult
21:33but you need to convince her
21:34oh look at her
21:34that's what this is about
21:3926 years
21:41the DNA test results show
21:43that Jimmy
21:48is not the child
21:51you're a liar
21:52look at what you've done
21:53to her
21:53you're terrible
22:06where is he
22:07Jimmy
22:07Jimmy
22:08stop talking
22:09Jimmy
22:10Jimmy
22:10I know
22:10I know
22:11I know
22:11I know
22:11I know
22:16that exactly explains
22:18why 25 years ago
22:19she said you weren't
22:20and they have the
22:21do you know
22:21come with me
22:22Jimmy
22:22because this kid
22:23deserves to have
22:23the temerity
22:24right
22:24to go
22:25sorry for her
22:25how would you expect
22:27a bloke to run around
22:28and pay your money
22:28and do this that
22:29and the other
22:29next day over there
22:32next day over there
22:33sorry mate
22:35and you know
22:36I'm going to say this
22:37now on camera
22:37so everybody knows
22:38the next day
22:39after he found out
22:40via that phone call
22:41via Facebook
22:42you went
22:42and you met her
22:43you did absolutely
22:44everything
22:44didn't you
22:45I wanted to give it to the kids
22:48are you for real
22:49are you for real
22:51what do you mean
22:52are you for real
22:54I'm sorry Emily
22:55you're sorry Emily
22:56I'm so sorry
22:57Emily come here
22:58come here
22:59that's terrible
22:59come here
23:00I'm so sorry
23:02I'm really
23:03I'm here
23:05what a nice guy
23:07you got nothing to say
23:08I'm sorry
23:12I'm sorry
23:12okay
23:13I'm sorry
23:14so I actually can't
23:15bless your heart
23:15do you know what I actually
23:16can't believe
23:16is you're sitting there
23:17shaking your head
23:19I can't
23:20you said you were
23:21100% sure
23:22I was 100%
23:22what was it
23:22the immaculate conception
23:23how can you be 100% sure
23:26because there was only him
23:28I was
23:30oh so I was wrong
23:30well there wasn't only him
23:32was there
23:32they weren't
23:33no they weren't
23:34tell us who
23:34they weren't
23:35I know they weren't
23:36there was one more
23:36before you
23:37but
23:37well so it wasn't
23:39100% then was it
23:40it was because of
23:41how can it be
23:42two people
23:43100%
23:43that's 55%
23:44you're a weirdo
23:45100%
23:48so for 25 years
23:50you've lied to this girl
23:51for 25 years
23:52I've lied to her
23:53yes you have
23:54you have
23:54you have
23:55you told her that it was him
23:57then you told him it wasn't
23:58you brought her up
23:59did she not
24:00telling you that Jimmy was her dad
24:01you're a liar
24:03don't look at your sister
24:04what about you
24:06you had so much support
24:08she's always told me
24:08she's always told me
24:09I was 100%
24:10well you're not
24:10how do you
24:11she's not
24:12you're telling me
24:12I'm running out of shops
24:13and all that
24:13you're telling me
24:14that I've changed my name
24:16to say I was dead
24:17you're a liar
24:18you've lied
24:19you've not told the truth
24:21once
24:21and I'm telling you
24:22you're a liar
24:23you owe her so much
24:24you don't even deserve her
24:26I'm telling me her
24:28but it's true
24:32you've said nothing either
24:33you were so vocal
24:35she's going through me
24:36what's going on with her
24:37it's a really good point
24:38isn't it
24:38what you have done
24:39with my family
24:40is disgusting
24:41his wife's terminally
24:43and you're just sitting there
24:43going
24:44well I thought he was
24:45I thought he was
24:46you're responsible for this
24:47absolutely
24:48I tell you what you keep that
24:48because I don't
24:49want it
24:51I'm sorry Emily
24:52I hope you really do
24:53I'm really so sorry for you
24:55don't ever
24:55don't ever
24:56ever
24:57look at me again
25:13so sorry
25:15tell it then
25:15just going to sit there
25:16looking at the floor
25:17wondering how it happened
25:19I was 100%
25:20oh for god's sake
25:21sure
25:22come on
25:22come on
25:24right one thing
25:25I'll tell you for sure
25:26okay
25:26you listening
25:28I promise you
25:29if it's what you want
25:30this show will find your father
25:32do you know who it is now
25:33or what
25:33no
25:34you don't know who her father is
25:36I thought it was Jimmy
25:37hold on a second
25:38you just said there was
25:39one other person
25:39yeah which
25:40I didn't have
25:41I know who it is
25:44how does he know who it is
25:45you haven't even apologised
25:46you've just sat there
25:47looking at your feet
25:48I have apologised
25:49I come out and apologised
25:49why have you apologised
25:50because obviously I'm wrong
25:54you must know if you have intercourse
26:03all the way through the part
26:04you said you're 100%
26:05now the other thing
26:06that came out as well
26:08Emily this is really important
26:09do you want us to find you dead
26:10do you
26:14are you going to help us with that
26:15or are you going to lie
26:16I think that you absolutely knew he wasn't
26:19you knew that he wasn't
26:21it wasn't 100%
26:22come on
26:22yeah I did think it was 100%
26:25all of her life
26:26you told her Jimmy was her dad
26:28and you knew you'd slept with someone else
26:30did you never think this was going to bite you
26:32on the backside
26:34go on answer that question
26:35don't look away
26:36yeah I did
26:36so you were worried about today
26:39yeah obviously
26:39so why did you give it
26:40I'm 100% sure then
26:41because I was
26:42thought I was 100% sure
26:44oh god
26:47Emily
26:48I promise you
26:50we'll sit you with Graham
26:51and the team
26:52and Steph
26:53Ryan and the guys
26:54they will
26:54they will find you dead
26:56I promise you
26:57is that what you want
27:00you better open
27:04all yours Steph
27:05you okay
27:06give her a round of applause guys
27:16I feel really sorry for that girl
27:18I promise you
27:18this will do everything we can
27:20as a show
27:20to find her real father
27:22we'll bring her back
27:22we'll let you know
27:23right my next guest today
27:24V was accused of stealing
27:2510 years ago
27:26by her mum
27:26and check this
27:27as a result
27:28of being accused
27:29of stealing
27:29without any proof
27:30this girl was put into care
27:31at 15
27:32today with the help
27:33of my lie detector
27:33she says she will clear
27:34her name once and all
27:35and prove that her mum
27:36was utterly utterly wrong
27:38to kick her out
27:39there's so much more
27:40one brave lady
27:41V's on the Jeremy Kyle show
27:42give a round of applause
27:50I don't think
27:51take a seat
27:51I don't think
27:52I've read a story like this
27:54this is a big day
27:55right
27:55how are you feeling
27:57scared
27:57nervous
27:59I have to say
28:00and I don't ever know
28:02the results of anything
28:02but when I read this
28:03this morning
28:04I thought to myself
28:04jeez
28:06you're here today
28:07with your mum Debbie
28:09you say you're here
28:10to clear your name
28:11let's just talk
28:12about your childhood
28:12V
28:14you got a reputation
28:15didn't you
28:16yeah
28:17you need to speak up
28:17and tell me why
28:18I put my hands up
28:20I wasn't the
28:21goodest child
28:21yeah I did shoplift
28:23I got in the wrong crowd
28:24what age
28:26started from 13
28:27going on to 15
28:29why
28:30just got in the wrong crowd
28:32just shoplift
28:34get in trouble
28:35with the police a lot
28:36you were
28:37to your mother
28:38a difficult
28:39problem
28:40to be fair
28:41yeah I gave my mum
28:42problems
28:43like what teenagers
28:44don't
28:44look at me
28:45talk to me
28:46I want to hear this
28:48despite that
28:48despite all that
28:49despite the arguments
28:50that you know
28:50if you've got a kid
28:51then actually
28:52essentially
28:52you should stand
28:53by that kid
28:54some jewellery
28:55started to go missing
28:56from your mother's house
28:57is that right
28:57yeah
28:58do you know what
28:59you need to speak up
28:59do you know what jewellery
29:01it was her diamond ring
29:02did you nick it
29:03no
29:05before anything happened
29:07as I read it
29:08tell me if I'm wrong
29:09you're accused
29:10straight away
29:12along with her other stuff
29:13as well
29:15lots of stuff went missing
29:16you are accused
29:18straight away
29:18phone, bank, card
29:19everything
29:20how many years ago
29:20was this
29:21ten years ago
29:23she was carted
29:24out of the house
29:25and put in care
29:25hasn't been back
29:26in her parents
29:27her mother's house
29:27for nine years
29:29those gentlemen
29:29never again
29:31any sort of
29:32relationship with your mother
29:33we talk
29:34but I only go there
29:35once a year
29:37I've got a son now
29:38I want her to be
29:39in his life
29:44you've tried everything
29:45to get back in this family
29:46haven't you
29:47mm-hmm
29:48Will can you
29:49he's so tight
29:50with his tissues
29:52thanks mate
29:53yeah
29:55what have you tried
29:55to get back
29:56in the family with
29:57I sorted myself out
29:58I went to prison
29:59when I was 17
30:01I came out
30:02when I was 18
30:02I put my head down
30:04I moved to London
30:05like six years ago
30:07I've never been in trouble
30:09since I was 18
30:10with the police again
30:11your child
30:12he's my life
30:13I'd do anything for him
30:16you have turned your life around
30:17we've checked you out
30:18she's turned her life around
30:19absolutely
30:19with very little help
30:20it has to be said
30:21from the family
30:22but of course
30:22they're going to come out
30:23and they're going to say
30:24you know she was a pain
30:26your mum says
30:27I know
30:27that
30:28you know
30:28I wish it wasn't the case
30:29but I know
30:30my daughter's a bad person
30:31and she stole that
30:32and this that
30:33and the other
30:33look at me
30:35do you feel like
30:36abandoned
30:38I don't feel like
30:39I've got a family no more
30:40apart from my son
30:42is this the last resort
30:44I just want an apology
30:46when the results come back
30:47we can't fix it
30:49because we can't get
30:50my eight years back
30:50from them
30:52I like you
30:53you're telling the truth
30:54look at me
30:57no look at me
30:58are you
30:59yeah
31:00and you've tried to tell your mother
31:01I tried everything
31:03try telling her again
31:04Debbie's on the Jeremy Carr show
31:05she's coming down
31:14I've been trying to get you
31:16to come home
31:17I have
31:17I asked you to move to
31:18Colchester to be back with me
31:19and you didn't want to
31:20that's not home mum
31:21that's not home
31:22home is where we were
31:23all brought up together
31:24that is not home
31:26it's near enough
31:27home is in your home
31:28not somewhere else
31:29I should be with you
31:31not for some of the stuff
31:32you've done
31:33no way
31:35what the thieving
31:36welcome to the show Debs
31:37I want to hear your side as well
31:38wish it wasn't the case
31:39but I know my daughter
31:40stole from me
31:41and it breaks my heart
31:44a line was crossed
31:45when she stole my engagement ring
31:46what was that like
31:48to think your own daughter
31:49would do that
31:52it did break my heart
31:54it really did
31:55but you judged her straight away
31:57no
31:58she'd been stealing
31:59since she was about
32:0011, 12
32:01shoplifting
32:01a little bit
32:02my credit card
32:03did you invest enough time
32:04been trying to turn
32:04your daughter around
32:05yes I did
32:06why was she such a
32:07problem child
32:07do you reckon
32:09very defiant
32:09never admitted
32:10to any of the wrong
32:11she always blamed
32:12on her siblings
32:14she blamed a lot
32:15on her dad as well
32:17and I went everywhere
32:18with her to get help
32:19and she just didn't want
32:20any help at all
32:20how difficult was it
32:21well no actually
32:22I'm going to read
32:23I've actually read something
32:24and I know you're not
32:25going to like me after this
32:26but it's quite simply
32:27one of the most ridiculous
32:27things I've ever heard
32:28in my life
32:29you said that when
32:30your daughter went into care
32:31you felt relief
32:31I did feel a relief
32:33I did feel a relief
32:35because I've got
32:36a disabled daughter
32:37disgusting
32:38well no you've got
32:39a disabled daughter
32:40and she nearly killed her
32:40she'd chop her in the
32:41back of her head
32:42two centimetres down
32:43she would have killed her
32:45so how does that make
32:46who are you
32:47Lenny
32:48what are you doing here
32:49I'm off to see if my mum's
32:51right and I'm going to see
32:51if I look right
32:52let's go and see your sister
32:53come on
32:53let's go and do it
32:54all of us
32:54come on
32:59who are you darling
33:04come here
33:05what's your friend
33:06what are you called
33:07and this is Lenny
33:08you're her sister
33:09come on
33:10come on
33:12look we've got to go out
33:13and sort this out
33:14won't we
33:14look come here
33:16come here
33:16I'm your sister
33:17where have you been
33:18me
33:19you've been abandoned
33:20right yes
33:20I stayed in contact
33:22with her
33:22I met up with her
33:23on the slide
33:23do you think it's fair
33:24she's been ostracised
33:25sorry
33:26do you think it's fair
33:27that she's been thrown out
33:29what happened
33:30because I kept in contact
33:32with you by phone
33:33but you judged her
33:34as guilty
33:34this is what I'm asking
33:35you think she stole that jury
33:3680% I do yes
33:38sorry
33:3880%
33:39you put your kid into
33:40you put your kid into care
33:42when you're only 80%
33:44sure that she stole the jury
33:4580%
33:46it wasn't the thing
33:47did you hear this
33:48either
33:48you're 80% sure
33:49she stole the jury
33:50and you made sure
33:51she went into care
33:51and then she went into prison
33:53did you steal the jury
33:54no
33:55do you think it's fair
33:55that she's only 80% sure
33:56and she got put
33:57into care
33:58well
33:59it's up to my mum
34:00at the end of the day
34:00really more than anything
34:01what she
34:02it wasn't
34:02what this girl missed out
34:03it wasn't just the thieving
34:05it wasn't just the thieving
34:05at the end of the day
34:06there was others to it
34:07why'd you come here today
34:08right V
34:08tell her
34:09to prove that I didn't
34:10take that ring
34:13why would she come on
34:14national television
34:14and do that
34:16I don't know
34:17but I said
34:18you told my team
34:18you were 100% sure
34:19just now you said 80%
34:20no I've always said 80%
34:22I've always said 80%
34:25mum hasn't said 80%
34:25can I just throw something
34:26in the mix
34:27nice to meet you
34:27brother
34:27could I just throw something
34:28in the mix
34:29how the hell are you
34:29going to feel
34:30if she didn't
34:32happy that she didn't
34:35and I'd want to rebuild
34:37our life
34:38that I've been trying
34:39to rebuild
34:39well not sorry
34:40that you put her in care
34:41and abandoned your
34:41responsibilities as a mother
34:42what if she did steal it
34:43though
34:43what if you're not
34:44where you appear to be
34:46sorry
34:46what if you did steal it
34:47I didn't know
34:48why would I come here today
34:49Fenty do
34:50what happens if she did steal it
34:52because you believe she did
34:54don't you
34:54don't know
34:55lie detector results next
34:57we're right back
34:58Lenny never done
34:59half the stuff she did
35:00she never
35:01she went to prison
35:01yeah but it was nothing to do
35:03do you know what I mean
35:03I never disrespected my family
35:05do you believe she stole the ring
35:07no
35:08I'm sorry if I
35:09look I really don't
35:10we asked Vida
35:11to steal your mum's
35:12engagement ring
35:12from our house
35:13nearly ten years ago
35:14she said no
35:15why don't you say no
35:25welcome back
35:26this story started with you V
35:28saying that
35:29yeah you were a problem charge
35:30yeah you were a pain in the backside
35:32and then it went on to how this jury had gone missing
35:34specifically your mother's engagement ring
35:36the family believed it was you
35:38you were put into care
35:39from there you got into worse trouble
35:40you ended up in prison
35:41you turned your life around
35:42let's have some honesty
35:44what do you admit to the things that you did that were wrong
35:47I was shoplifted
35:49I wasn't a good child
35:50yeah I gave my mum problems
35:51why
35:52I got in the wrong crowd
35:54I was growing up
35:56how younger are you learning than her
35:59well I'm 90
36:00so four
36:01four or five years between us
36:04you were a problem though as well weren't you
36:06yeah hands up
36:06I've been to prison
36:07have you
36:08yeah
36:08you've done really well haven't you
36:09I think I have actually
36:11no my mum has done really well
36:12I have
36:13sorry can I just ask a question
36:14without you just liking me
36:14intensely
36:15so two of your daughters have both gone to prison
36:17but only one went into care
36:18why didn't she go into care
36:19because not your average person goes to prison
36:21why wasn't she thrown out the house
36:23I chose to move out
36:25at 15 funny enough
36:27Lenny never done half the stuff she did
36:29she never
36:30she went to prison
36:30yeah but it was nothing to do with the
36:32do you know what I mean
36:32I never disrespected my family
36:34I never did
36:35I wouldn't
36:35I could not do that
36:36but at least I hold my hands up
36:37it was the safety of my children
36:40I hold my hands up
36:41I've done bad things
36:42I've been to prison
36:42but I've sorted myself out now
36:44that's why I've come on here
36:45I want my family to sort everything out
36:47you say that
36:48you said that during the break
36:48you want your family to sort this out
36:50but it was her who found the show
36:51not you
36:51not you
36:51not you
36:52it was her
36:52we spoke to each other on the phone previously
36:54about coming on Jeremy Kyle
36:56do you believe it
36:58do you think she stole the ring
37:0050-50
37:0050-50
37:01when you look in her eyes
37:02look in your sister's eyes
37:03what to see
37:05do you believe she stole the ring
37:07I don't know
37:09I'm sorry Violet
37:10I really don't
37:11what about you mum
37:13I don't know
37:1480% sure she nicked it
37:15you told my team
37:16yeah
37:17if that's proven
37:18will that vindicate
37:18how you've treated her
37:21I treated her
37:22with love and respect
37:23all through her life
37:24not in the last eight years
37:26you haven't have you
37:26I have haven't I
37:27because I've always rung you
37:28and when you come down here
37:29I always come and see you
37:31let's do the results
37:31can we go back out here
37:32and do the results please
37:34give them a round of applause
37:47Sian we met you out there
37:48you're her best mate
37:49been in her life
37:49a couple of years
37:50you say she's never even
37:51stolen a cigarette off you
37:52she's not capable of it
37:53nothing
37:54she's never ever stolen
37:55anything off of me
37:56you trust her
37:57100%
37:58what does she tell you
37:59about the past
37:59what does she tell you
38:00about how it affects her
38:01that she's always felt
38:02like she's on her own
38:03and like she's had no one
38:05I don't I don't get that
38:07Violet I really don't
38:08we tried to get you
38:08to move back down
38:09yeah but not to the hometown
38:11I did
38:12when I lived in
38:13when I had my flat
38:13I tried to get you
38:14to move back down
38:15home should be
38:16home should be in the same house
38:17I had you at mine for Christmas
38:19I had you at mine for Christmas
38:19Violet
38:20you would
38:21don't understand how much
38:22I want to see you
38:23I've only ever met him
38:23three or four times
38:24but wait
38:25didn't you kick us out
38:26before Christmas day
38:27or after Christmas day
38:28it was after yeah
38:29because I'd had enough
38:30why would you want them back
38:31then if you kicked them out
38:32they weren't kicking out
38:33I just said look
38:34I don't want you staying
38:35here at the moment
38:36tell them why
38:36because things got too much
38:38things got too much
38:38I'm not going to lie
38:39me and Violet
38:39we clash sometimes
38:41we sisters
38:41what's this
38:42I see a girl who
38:42has obviously made mistakes
38:44I accept and understand that
38:46but she was the one
38:47who came out here
38:48and said she'd made mistakes
38:50I see another girl
38:51honest enough to come
38:53outside and say
38:54I've made mistakes
38:56not judging you
38:57but both your daughters
38:58went to prison
38:59but she was put in care
39:00you could have done more
39:01when she was out of prison
39:03what about since
39:04she turned her life around
39:05you'd hardly be here today
39:06if she was
39:07back in the family fold
39:09you back track in a bit
39:10are you love
39:10do you think she stole the ring
39:14yeah I still think she did
39:15you still do
39:16we've only been doing this
39:1715 minutes against 8 years
39:19when you arrived here today
39:20you said you were 100%
39:21in there it's 80
39:23and now you still think she did
39:24I'm asking you
39:26irrespective of the problems
39:27that you went through
39:28and what she did
39:29do you not think
39:31you've rather abdicated
39:32your responsibility
39:33as a mother
39:34to a kid at 15
39:35who went into care
39:36and then prison
39:37and is sat on this stage
39:38saying
39:39I want my family back
39:41don't you
39:42you don't
39:44unbelievable
39:48you don't
39:48you don't at all
39:50why not
39:50because you lie all the time
39:52Violet
39:53I try and help you
39:55I've sent you money
39:56in the past
39:57when you're ringing up
39:58you've got no fags or anything
39:59or nappies
40:00and I'm helping you
40:02all the time
40:02and I've begged you
40:04to move back
40:05and I can help you
40:05all the time
40:06with my grandson
40:06that I hardly see
40:07what happens
40:09I want to move down
40:10when you come
40:11to our hometown
40:12how long did I get
40:13to see
40:14half an hour
40:15why
40:15why don't you come
40:16and see me sometimes
40:16why has it always me
40:17got to travel
40:18with my baby
40:19and he's not even
40:20free yet
40:20that's a good one
40:24why do you look
40:25incredulous
40:27tell me why you look
40:28incredulous
40:29do you expect her
40:30to just sit there
40:30she's asked a really
40:31good question
40:32why don't you travel
40:33and see your grandson
40:35what about
40:36don't you travel
40:37and see your grandson
40:38because I have two children
40:39one is special needs
40:40I have to be
40:41she has to be with her
40:42all the time
40:43mum's care
40:44you know that
40:44yeah I do
40:45but why can't they come
40:46as well
40:47so you didn't put her
40:48in care for an engagement
40:49ring you put her in care
40:50because you say
40:51safety of my children
40:54don't believe you
40:55don't believe me
40:56then I don't really care
40:57can I ask you something
40:58without you getting upset
40:59because I know you will
41:00get upset by this
41:01I don't believe the words
41:02you say
41:02do you know why
41:03apparently you can't
41:04go and see your daughter
41:05because you've got two kids
41:06yeah
41:07left them today
41:08though love didn't you
41:09I left him with my son
41:11why didn't you leave them
41:12with your son
41:13to go and see your daughter
41:14then
41:20serious question
41:21you didn't bring your kids
41:23today
41:23true or false
41:24I didn't
41:25so could you not have
41:26arranged to leave your kids
41:27who you love and want to
41:28protect with your son
41:29and made an effort
41:30to go and see Violet
41:31I could have done yes
41:32thank you very much
41:33that's all I was saying
41:38how long ago
41:39was this jewellery stolen
41:4110 years maybe
41:43it was
41:44despite what you said
41:45a major thing
41:46and anybody would understand
41:47that was your ingestion ring
41:48I'm not going to look around
41:49first of all
41:49but how many people
41:50in this audience
41:50think that V stole those jewellery
41:52that did precious jewellery
41:55a couple of people
41:59we asked V did you steal your mum's engagement ring
42:01from her house
42:02nearly 10 years ago
42:03she said no
42:03why did you say no
42:04she was telling the truth
42:05of course she was telling the truth
42:19do you know for sure
42:20who stole your mum's engagement ring
42:21from her house
42:22she said no
42:23your daughter
42:24passed both questions
42:25on the lie detector
42:37I told you mum
42:38I didn't take it
42:39I told you
42:40on the day it went missing
42:41I did not take it
42:42I did not see it
42:45maybe you should have
42:46believed your daughter
42:47I think you have to do
42:49something for your mum as well
42:51it's all been about
42:52you've proven that
42:53but
42:54there was behaviour
42:55that was unacceptable
42:57and there was behaviour
42:58that you wouldn't accept
43:00right now
43:00in your house
43:01with your son
43:02and your mother
43:03whatever mistake she's made
43:05deserves an apology
43:06because that behaviour
43:08is not something
43:09that you would do now
43:10after changing your life
43:11and that
43:12that will be your bridge
43:13to her
43:13and your bridge is
43:15I'm sorry
43:16but you had a background
43:17and I've judged you
43:18that's what you need
43:19to do together
43:19I am sorry
43:20look at her
43:21I am sorry
43:22if I could go back time
43:23I would
43:24every day I sit here
43:25thinking why did I mess up for
43:28well I'm sorry
43:29for accusing it
43:29but at the time
43:30I thought it was right
43:31to believe that you did take him
43:33and do you know what
43:34a lot of people would have done
43:36but it does go to prove
43:37doesn't it
43:37it's the thing
43:38when you've got a reputation
43:39Ryla I still get it
43:40do you know what I mean
43:42it's just one of them things
43:46it's the great British public
43:48for you
43:48yeah I know
43:49the great British public
43:50are quite wise
43:51I really respect you
43:52for saying that
43:53I hope you understand
43:54I
43:54and I've said my piece
43:56about your kids
43:56it's completely unacceptable
43:57I think also
43:58you know in life
44:00if you do something
44:01a couple of times
44:02people will look at you
44:04I find the saddest part
44:06of this story
44:06that it took
44:07eight years
44:08to get to this point
44:09if I'm honest
44:10because I think that
44:12she's crying out
44:13for her mum actually
44:15and I think
44:16strangely enough
44:16eh
44:17I think your mum's
44:18crying out for you babe
44:19I think it is a case
44:20of meeting in the middle
44:21I think it is a case
44:22of apologising
44:23it's not a case
44:24of being smug
44:25and scoring points
44:27it's a case of saying
44:28you know
44:28enough is enough
44:30which is what
44:30your sister said
44:33can you make
44:34a better relationship
44:34the two of you
44:35with our help
44:36do you want to
44:37I want to
44:37for my son's sake
44:38I want to
44:39what about
44:40for your sake
44:40look at your mother
44:41you're crying out
44:42for your mum
44:42look at her
44:43she's stubborn
44:44look at her
44:46look at her
44:48not anybody else
44:49look at your mum
44:53why can't you
44:53look at your mum
44:57pilot
44:58it's been too long
44:59no it hasn't
45:00stop being so stubborn
45:01look at your mum
45:02pilot I'm trying
45:03okay
45:04I'm trying
45:07and I have been trying
45:08but you push
45:09and push me away
45:10you really do
45:11she's right
45:12I've told you
45:12for the last few months
45:13come and stay with me
45:14I've got my flat now
45:16she can't do more than this
45:17you know
45:17I really respect her
45:18right now
45:18look at your mum
45:20I can't
45:21and you know this
45:23this has drawn a line
45:24in the sand
45:25you have to give
45:25something back to your mother
45:27I respect her enormously
45:28the last ten minutes
45:29because she's taken it
45:30and she's there
45:31just
45:32just stand up
45:33because it's so obvious
45:35and that's what's important
45:49listen
45:51you're both taller than me
45:52aren't you
45:52listen
45:53alright
45:55it isn't easy
45:56right
45:56and it's a lesson
45:58isn't it
45:58we do all judge people
45:59because of what happens
46:00in the past
46:01but you can do this
46:02together with our help
46:03away from the television
46:04cameras
46:05you can talk it through
46:06I think it's just a case
46:07of understanding
46:08each other's position
46:08your mother was protecting
46:10her kids
46:10I get that
46:11she feels she was
46:12the black sheep
46:13I get that
46:14you made a judgement
46:15because of the past
46:16totally acceptable
46:18you did things
46:18that were wrong
46:19things that you
46:20wouldn't do now
46:22there's ground here
46:23on which to work
46:24yeah
46:24Lenny thank you
46:25very much
46:26as well as thank you
46:26if four of you
46:27go that way
46:27Graham's waiting for you
46:28alright
46:28give me a round of applause
46:32fingers crossed
46:33that's the relationship
46:33that's back on track
46:34I'm out of time
46:35for this morning
46:35don't forget
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46:39to my guests
46:40to this audience
46:40and to you for watching
46:41I'm I'll see you very soon
46:42take care bye bye
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