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02:38Welcome to Beyond the Tape.
03:02I'm your host, Mark Passant.
03:03Welcome to our viewers across Trinidad and Tobago.
03:06Of course, our international viewers and our brothers and sisters in the Isles of Grenada.
03:12It's Tuesday.
03:13And definitely, we've been monitoring the story involving the retired fire officer, Anselm Alonso.
03:21We can tell you now that that body that was found yesterday in the Komoto area,
03:29it was taken to the Forensic Science Center.
03:33And unfortunately, his relatives later identified that body as that of missing retired fire officer, Anselm Alonso.
03:43Of course, you know, he would have disappeared on Friday after he left his Sangu Grandi home to go to his workshop.
03:52And he never made it there, of course.
03:54Police later found his body in the Komoto area.
03:59And the vehicle, the Nissan Note that he was driving is still missing, of course.
04:04And police are pursuing all leads as it relates to that particular vehicle.
04:10And, of course, the timeline as to what may have occurred, at least police suspect that he might have been hijacked somewhere along the way to his workshop.
04:20And, you know, when persons near his workshop did not see him and calls to his phone went unanswered for more than 24 hours,
04:30the family and other friends knew that something was wrong.
04:34So, deepest sympathies to the family of Mr. Alonso.
04:40And we are hopeful that the police will catch those persons responsible for his death in the shortest possible time.
04:49Of course, today with me is Inspector Kurt Callender as we talk about this school orientation program,
05:01the initiative in the schools with police.
05:04We know DCP Benjamin has said that they've seen a decrease in the violence across these schools
05:12since the police have been introduced in several schools in the country over the last, I'd say, three months,
05:19September, October, two months and a little bit.
05:22And we just wanted to get an idea.
05:24We know we're still seeing pockets of violence on social media in certain schools.
05:29What are we missing?
05:31What can we do differently to perhaps curb those incidents that are still happening?
05:37Well, first of all, let me say thank you so very much for having me on the program
05:42and a pleasant evening to Trinidad and Tobago.
05:45And wherever you are listening around the world, and I also want to take this opportunity, Mark,
05:50to express on behalf of the Commission of Police and the TTPS our sincere condolences to the family of Mr. Anselm.
05:58That being said, the police-oriented, the policing initiative that is presently in the nation,
06:09some of the selected schools in Trinidad as well as Tobago,
06:14it was never intended to be a one-size-fits-all and also is definitely not a silver bullet
06:19to all the social ills as well as the juvenile delinquencies that may be occurring in those schools.
06:27To answer your question as to what we are missing,
06:31the truth to be told is that several of the issues that presently exist in those schools,
06:38it actually didn't start there.
06:40It probably may have originated beyond the walls of the school as well as the perimeters.
06:45And in every society, one of the most important institutions is the family.
06:51Yes.
06:51Right?
06:52And if things are not well at home, a child is a product of the environment.
06:57So the family, the parents, the siblings, the aunts, the uncles, the grandparents,
07:03they are responsible for instilling that moral and spiritual values,
07:08teaching the child the difference between right and wrong.
07:10The Good Book says train up a child in the way that he may grow,
07:14so when he gets old or when the child gets old, they will not depart from it.
07:18Are we seeing a breakdown in family life, which is now contributing to what we are seeing in schools?
07:25That may very well be the case.
07:27They should be told the police cannot be everywhere.
07:29We cannot do it alone.
07:31And wherever a child is planted, that is where they are going to grow.
07:37So the child can only export what was produced at home.
07:44And if moral and spiritual values, ethics, and behavior that is not deemed to be deviant is not taught at home,
07:55well, the child is only going to learn what is taught at home.
07:58Yeah, well, I mean, as you said, a number of officers have come on to this program.
08:03And time and time again, we have said that the police cannot be everywhere, of course.
08:07And the role of a parent is extremely important in ensuring that what happens at school is also redundant at home,
08:16as in you need to talk to your child every day, find out, you know, what has happened at school,
08:23perhaps to get an idea of, you know, the going-ons in the school.
08:28Even if the person is just a normal student, but you need to have a conversation of some sort with your child,
08:36at least so you get a sense of the school environment and what is happening around them,
08:42so that even if they might not be directly affected by a violent incident,
08:48but still they will probably witness it or they will hear about it in some measure,
08:52or they will see it on social media.
08:55Exactly.
08:55And I think, as you said, apart from teachers and the principal of the school and other peers,
09:02being there to support these children while they're at school,
09:06because you spend most of your time at school during the course of the day.
09:09Absolutely.
09:10And as a parent, you need to come, at the end of the day when they get home from school,
09:16either one parent, I know sometimes it might be difficult for one parent if they're working different jobs
09:21and the shifts might be different, but it is important that you have that kind of conversation
09:26at least daily after school, one of the parents.
09:30Absolutely.
09:31And it is interesting that I say talk to your children.
09:34Now, oftentimes, well, you are correct, by the way, but the question is how do you talk to your child?
09:40Most times, the average parent would ask, how school went today?
09:47Good.
09:48Or normal.
09:50But if you really want to delve into the nitty-gritty as to how your child is doing,
09:55you have to start by asking those open-ended questions,
09:58so that it is going to evoke, it is not only going to evoke a one-word answer,
10:04but you would start to get a conversation, get the child talking.
10:09Tell me what went well in school today.
10:14Tell me one of the things or some of the things that you learned today.
10:17Tell me what did not go so well in school today.
10:20If you don't ask those open-ended questions, the child is not going to, well, may not,
10:26because different parents may have different relationships with their child.
10:31Right.
10:31You know, son.
10:32So you have to create that environment for the child to be free to interact and communicate with you.
10:40In other words, a child's parents has a voice,
10:44and it is important for us as parents not to take away that voice from that child
10:49because when things are affecting them, they may not feel comfortable
10:53or they may not feel free to come to you as a parent to open up to you and tell you things.
10:58Right.
10:59So always maintain that line of communication with your child.
11:03Don't just talk to your child.
11:05Talk with your child.
11:06Yeah.
11:06And you're right.
11:07You know, that interaction is important.
11:09And how you have that interaction also, as you said, it's not what you tell your child,
11:15it's how you say it to your child.
11:17Exactly.
11:17But at least you have to have a conversation where you will meet at a medium,
11:21a middle ground, so that you're not trying to say what you did wrong at school.
11:26You know, or in the way you speak to them.
11:28Exactly.
11:28It's indicative of how they will respond to you in a way that you both can feel that warmth.
11:35Right.
11:36And that interaction.
11:37So as the parent, you can tell the child, look, these are the parameters that I am going to set for you between you and I where communication is concerned.
11:48Let us maintain that level of respect and dignity for each other.
11:53We can speak freely.
11:54You can speak freely, but respectfully.
11:57Yes.
11:57So this is what you can do.
12:01This is off limits.
12:02So once you set those parameters and that environment, create that environment for the child to speak,
12:11it is not more often than not, we find that it is not difficult for the child to come and interact with you.
12:18Because we are saying as the police, if you see something, say something.
12:22We go to the schools, we tell the children that.
12:25But when the child comes home to you and you say, well, ma'am, you know what I saw?
12:30And you know what this one did?
12:31For example, if a child is being sexually assaulted, you cannot start from the place where you're telling the child that they lie.
12:40Or you don't believe the child because the person that the child told you sexually assaulted them is connected to you, the parent.
12:50You understand?
12:51So you don't want to listen to your child.
12:55So we want to encourage the parents to please create that line of communication, open communication, where your child can be free.
13:05But even if the child is not communicating, what are some of the signs that you as the parent can look for to be able to determine, well, all is not well with my child.
13:18You have to know what are the signs to look for.
13:21And some of those, the child is withdrawn.
13:25They are not eating.
13:27They are not sleeping well.
13:29They are not participating in family activities.
13:31They no longer focus on their personal hygiene because they are stressed out, demotivated, no longer see themselves as pretty or handsome or beautiful or worthy of anything because they have given up on life.
13:48So these are, they start experimenting with alcohol or other recreational drugs.
13:53They start becoming violent or behaving or portraying violent tendencies.
13:58Those are the signs that all is not well with your child.
14:03So even if they are not speaking physically, they are also communicating to you through nonverbal means.
14:12That's interesting.
14:14I hope the parents out there are listening and taking notes even because it's extremely important that we have that conversation.
14:23It might be tough at times.
14:24It might be tough.
14:25But as you said, respectful, but even the child needs to understand those parameters.
14:31And the parents need also to respect the boundaries that the child might have as it pertains to certain things.
14:38Yes.
14:38But you know you're dealing with different personalities.
14:42Some persons, you know, might, how they interpret things or how you say things to persons, they might take it a certain way depending on their personality.
14:52Agreed.
14:52So all, as a parent, you're supposed to know your child's personality, how they respond, how they react to what you say or what you might do in a given moment.
15:05And I think if you could strike that balance, as we said earlier before, and you have a good relationship, respectful, and so on with your child, where your child can feel comfortable to come and speak to you about anything under the sun.
15:20Or even what may have transpired at school that they felt uncomfortable with, it might not have been something directly that affected them.
15:28But of course, you are in the environment.
15:30So it might affect them psychologically, indirectly.
15:35And I also want to add further that we are living in a society where boys are being told, boys don't cry.
15:48Right?
15:48You are a little girl.
15:50And I said, suck it up.
15:51And we have to retrain as parents.
15:56Well, the parents themselves may need training.
15:58But we have to, as a society, we have to retrain our minds, our psyche, retrain our boys, retrain our girls to the standpoint where we have to tell them it is okay not to be okay.
16:14It is okay to cry.
16:16It is okay to feel hurt.
16:17It is okay to have to be going through different emotions.
16:21How they channel that particular emotions is just as important as not saying anything.
16:30Because they can use, they can channel the emotions the wrong way.
16:35So you as the parent now has to assist them and guide them through that process of channeling those many different emotions.
16:43Yeah, that's certainly, you know, important to take note of, of course.
16:47All right, it's day 110 of the state of emergency.
16:54We're going to bring you up to speed with some of the figures.
16:57Number of operations, 7,913.
17:01Target priority offenders, 2,668.
17:04Searches conducted, 52,606.
17:08Traffic operations, 5,331.
17:11Total persons arrested, 3,538.
17:14Traffic offenses detected, 31,476 to date.
17:22Firearms recovered, total of 196.
17:24We had a rise in the shotguns of 31.
17:27Ammunition recovered, a total of 2,525 rounds.
17:31A rise in 12 gauge of 135 rounds.
17:33And, of course, dangerous drugs seized, 789,280.88 grams of cannabis.
17:42Of course, the cocaine, STC, and molly, the quantities remain the same.
17:48Inspector.
17:48So, wow, 196 firearms recovered since the state of emergency, and over 2,500 assorted ammunition.
18:00And there are persons out there who may very well be saying, well, what is the big deal of taking 196 firearms off the streets during the state of emergency?
18:12You all couldn't do that during normal policing operations.
18:15Now, I want to remind Trinidad and Tobago that one, just one firearm, illegal firearm, that is recovered.
18:24You are speaking about possibly hundreds of lives being saved as a result of one illegal firearm recovered and taken off the streets.
18:34We are speaking about 196, almost 200, and over 2,500 assorted rounds.
18:41So, a firearm is the criminal element's weapons of choice, right?
18:47So, and I just want to go a little further.
18:49Trinidad and Tobago, and by extension, the Caribbean, makes up less than 1% of the world's population.
18:55Yet, over 30% of the illegal firearms finds its way into the Caribbean region, right?
19:04Which contributes to over 81% of the homicides in the Caribbean region.
19:10So, recovering 196, there is no telling how many lives would have been saved.
19:17Because a firearm is not a perishable item, you know?
19:20It was designed to injure, hurt, and kill someone.
19:23All you need is the wrongs, you understand?
19:25Which is not too difficult.
19:26We don't manufacture firearms in Toronto, I don't know.
19:30You understand?
19:30So, I just want the public to be mindful of that.
19:32The illegal firearm that they ignore today might very well be the illegal firearm that may be responsible for you or your family life tomorrow.
19:41So, if you see something, see something, get on board and support the police, the law enforcement agencies in Trinidad and Tobago.
19:52It's either that or you are supporting the criminal elements, you know?
19:54There is no sitting on the fence here.
19:56Yeah, you're right.
19:57All right, Inspector, thanks for that.
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22:48Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
22:53I'm your host Mark Wissan, of course, joined today by Inspector Kurt Callender of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
22:59We are having conversations as it relates to the community police in Oriental Initiative in the schools.
23:05But we wanted to bring you up to speed with a notice, a public notice concerning the Laramane Police Post.
23:12The Laramane Mobile Police Post is still operating on the western side of the compound of Operational Support Services Company Limited,
23:23which is located at the southern main road, Laramane, opposite Pleasant Road.
23:29It is on the ground floor of the said compound.
23:32So, of course, if you are in the Laramane District and you need to make a report, you can go to that location.
23:40If you don't know, now you know that location is where you can lodge a report.
23:45Or if you need any assistance, the police is on the ground there.
23:49And I know it's perhaps transitioning, of course, that they will have something more permanent in the not-too-distant future.
23:57Yes.
23:58Yes.
23:59Yeah.
24:00All right.
24:01So, I just want to remind you of the numbers to call.
24:04623-1711, extensions 1996 and 1997.
24:13And I know this conversation, we can talk about it for many programs about, you know, the school behavior and social media even of students in schools.
24:25Rather than trying to part fights, they prefer, in some cases, to film these events.
24:30To film it.
24:30To film it.
24:31And you become an enabler in that instance as well.
24:34Yes.
24:35Yes.
24:35And that is so sad.
24:37It tells you how heartless we have become as a society.
24:40Rather than assist the person's, because we have seen many videos where we have four and five persons actually beating up on someone.
24:53The person is on the ground.
24:54And there are persons surrounding those persons, beating that person, and they are filming it, taping it, rather than intervene and says, you know what, enough is enough.
25:05This is unacceptable.
25:07This is advantage.
25:09Right?
25:10So, hence the reason we have to take another approach as it relates to treating with this.
25:18Because all these are offenses, you know.
25:20Yeah.
25:21All these are offenses.
25:22And you may not throw a blow or pelt any punches, but if you are there encouraging, don't take that, kick him, cuff him, yeah, yeah, don't take that.
25:34What you are doing there, you are encouraging, once you encourage that person, you now become part of the party that committed the offense.
25:47You know, because you are encouraging, counseling, and coaching, and so on.
25:53All those things are offenses.
25:56And I want to go a little further by saying a simple thing as taxing.
26:00Well, the school's called, that is a robbery, you know.
26:02Mm-hmm.
26:03And children were charged, arrested and charged for robbery of one dollar.
26:09One dollar.
26:11One dollar.
26:11And robbery is violent.
26:12And even if you are, even if you are there and you didn't do anything but you're providing muscle, as they said, or you were part of the team that intimidated, based on your male presence, that person to have over their lunch money, as the case may be, you also would be held accountable for the robbery.
26:32So, you have to choose your friends.
26:33I know that the police have only been on the ground at least the last two months and a bit, right?
26:39And you would hope that their presence on the school compound would in some way deter students from acting the way they are.
26:48They have been acting for quite a while now where they've, you know, we've seen children being hurt badly.
26:54Some persons allegedly bullied and, you know, taking their life and so on, which is a really bitter pill to swallow because you're going to a school to learn, nourish your mind, make friends, and build a path for yourself going forward in your life in terms of what career you would like to do and so on.
27:14But yet, even as we see the police in the schools, we are still seeing pockets of this violence rearing its ugly head across Trinidad and Tobago.
27:24Why is that?
27:26Well, as we would have said earlier, it is impossible for the police to be everywhere.
27:32And as I would have mentioned earlier, this deviant behavior and juvenile delinquency did not begin in the schools.
27:42It started elsewhere outside of the schools.
27:47And as I would have said earlier, a child is a product of the environment, right?
27:52We have gangs now operating in primary schools, not secondary schools, in primary schools.
27:58Drug trafficking taking place in primary schools, right?
28:04Primary schools.
28:06Bullying taking place in primary schools.
28:09So it is what you call a learned behavior, right?
28:13And it is very easy for it to extend the outside the walls of the home, outside of the community, and find its way into the schools, right?
28:28So you have the fear factor where these bullies and gangs are concerned.
28:36The children who see something may be afraid to talk or who are being bullied may be afraid to talk for fear that there may be reprisals, right?
28:46So we have to, there has to be a way where you can reach these children.
28:53So in November of 2021, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service launched the Community Conflict Resolution Center in partnership with Officium Training Limited to provide free mediation and other alternative disputes.
29:11Resolution services, the CCRC has conducted three cycles of secondary schools, resolution, which saw over 30,000 students being trained in conflict de-escalation, anger management, emotional intelligence, and other conflict management.
29:31Of course, this Community Conflict Resolution Center functions and operates at the St. Joseph Police Station on Abercrombie Street in St. Joseph, led by the very dynamic, charismatic leader, none other than woman corporal Sasha Williams Goddard, along with Ms. Jenny's Dakota of Officium Training Limited.
29:53But they do not function and operate there alone.
29:57If you require their services in the schools or the communities and you cannot come to them, they would come to you.
30:05So I just want to put that information out there for persons who wants to contact them.
30:10They can contact them through the Community Conflict, through email, communityconflictresolution at gmail.com and via WhatsApp at 396-83222.
30:22So they have been operating since 2021, as I would have said, and they would have seen a reduction, a drastic reduction in the deviant behavior, the juvenile delinquency,
30:45in those particular schools, working alongside those children, assisting them to turn their lives around.
30:52Mind you, there is also...
30:54Let's stick up in there. I think we have a caller on the line.
30:58Caller, good evening and welcome to Beyond the Chair.
31:01Good evening.
31:02Good evening to you on the panel.
31:03Good evening.
31:04Good evening.
31:05We are talking about some of the topics of children's behavior in schools.
31:12Yes.
31:12Right?
31:13And I mean, by this is no means an excuse for them, but I couldn't even go into school for my case to collect the reports and stuff.
31:24And we sat in our room as parents and they showed us a video.
31:31Now, the video is showing the development of the child's brain.
31:39Right?
31:40And if you look at the child and how the brain develops in terms of what his reasoning and they don't support whatever goes on up there,
31:51some of them are not developed.
31:52So, when you see a child doing on a fight or keeping, I mean, they themselves may not be aware that it contributes in the scenario.
32:05Because again, it's no excuse, but then again, if you look at the psychological side of the brain, you know, that they may look at it.
32:16Sometimes the child and all is not aware, but from the years from now, if a child looks back and sees their behavior at the time,
32:24they and all, as adults, may say, nah, boy, I can't believe I used to be on school, boy.
32:29You know?
32:29So, sometimes you look at that and you have the psychological side of the brain's development, right?
32:37And it may be worse off if you add some drugs.
32:40Here, the drug goes in there.
32:42So, if the brain is not developed properly, you can imagine how to take place.
32:46So, I think they have to look at some sort of psychology or for the country, you know, and talk to somebody.
32:52I mean, I'll say they're mad, you know, but they have to understand their behavior on the whole.
32:58All right, Koda, thanks so much for your input.
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35:38Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
35:39I'm your host, Mark Mossad.
35:40Of course, joined today by Inspector Kurt Callender
35:42of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
35:46And we have a release to share with you, of course.
35:49As just before that, of course, we have the comments from the caller.
35:55Sir, apologies.
35:56Do you want to respond?
35:58The caller is quite correct.
36:01I was one of 22 police officers that were trained by USAID.
36:08When we introduced, when the judiciary introduced the Juvenile Court Project in Trinidad and Tobago,
36:16what is now known as the Child Justice Procedure.
36:19And one of the things that they taught us is that the brain of a child, adolescence could go up to age 21.
36:27So that age of reasoning and stuff might be quite challenging to process emotions for a child.
36:35And hence the reason the whole bringing on stream of the children's court is not to treat a child as a career criminal or a common criminal,
36:46but to give them that necessary help and assistance that they need.
36:50So, for example, a child can be deemed a chins, a child in need of supervision.
36:55And you do not necessarily have to commit an offense for you to be deemed a chins.
37:00If you believe, if you as a parent or a guardian or a teacher, for example,
37:05you believe there is something not quite adding up with this child and you believe the child is at risk,
37:12they can be deemed a chins, a child in need of supervision,
37:14and that child can be placed before the children's court where they can get the necessary support system
37:21to a child psychologist, a counselor, a social worker,
37:26the entire works to work with that child along with the parent to get to the bottom of what is wrong with this child
37:33and to give them the necessary assistance that they need so they can be back to normal for want of a better description.
37:39All right.
37:40All right, so some good news for the Orange Grove Farmers.
37:43This initiative, of course, entered with the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
37:49Farmers in the Orange Grove District can now breathe a sigh of relief
37:52following the launch of a new collaborative initiative between the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service
37:57and the Orange Grove Farmers Association.
38:01This initiative, of course, introduces mounted patrols in the expansive farming community,
38:07aims to curb incidents of armed robberies and predial larceny
38:11that have plagued the area in recent times.
38:14The launch took place between 10.30 a.m. and 12.00 on Monday
38:18at the Orange Grove Tacarigua facility
38:21and involved the participation of several Trinidad and Tobago Police Units,
38:26including the Mounted Branch, Predial Larceny Unit, Audiovisual Unit,
38:30and officers from the Aruka and Piako Police Stations.
38:34Also present at the launch was Mr. Siewelia,
38:38president of the Orange Grove Farmers Association,
38:41who expressed deep appreciation for the initiatives.
38:44The introduction of the Mounted Patrol comes at a strategic response
38:48to the geographical challenges of the area.
38:51Many sections of the farmland are inaccessible by police vehicles,
38:54making it difficult to maintain a consistent law enforcement presence.
38:59The Mounted officers are equipped to navigate rough terrain
39:02and will now provide enhanced surveillance
39:04and quicker response time to safeguard both farmers and their produce.
39:10So certainly a welcomed initiative there, inspector.
39:13We know that farmers not just in this area,
39:17but across Trinidad and Tobago,
39:19have faced criminals,
39:21you know, predial larceny stealing their stuff,
39:24armed robberies being people being,
39:26their valuables also taking the equipment,
39:29their livestock, and so on.
39:32So this is really a step in the right direction.
39:34It gives the farmers that sense of safety and security
39:37as they go about their business to grow food for the nation.
39:42Absolutely.
39:42I mean, I could not have agreed with you, Maud,
39:44how you put it,
39:46because predial larceny has been quite a sore point
39:51in Trinidad and Tobago for quite a number of years.
39:56And some of the many challenges that you would have highlighted there
40:00is getting access to those farmlands
40:04to properly police them.
40:07And when we say that we are going to make,
40:09or it is our intention to make every police in Trinidad and Tobago say,
40:13we were not joking,
40:14so we have a situation now where we can reach you by land, sea, and air.
40:19And the mounted patrols is just another opportunity
40:23where the vehicles cannot go.
40:25The horses can, right?
40:27So we have you covered on all fronts.
40:30The criminal elements have nowhere to run
40:32and nowhere to hide
40:34because we understand the importance of planting our own food,
40:39food security for Trinidad and Tobago.
40:42I mean, I don't even want to get into the food import bill,
40:44which is billions.
40:45So we want to give those farmers that level of comfort,
40:50that level of security,
40:52that level of assurance that when they are asleep
40:54or when they are in the agricultural,
40:59they're planting their predial produce,
41:01or after planting their predial produce,
41:04we would be there protecting them
41:06and ensuring that all the non-desirables
41:11does not come in
41:13and partake of what they did not sow.
41:17You understand that they could literally reap the fruits of their own labor.
41:22So that is a nice initiative
41:23spreaded by ACP Rishi Singh,
41:26Senior Superintendent,
41:28we also had our Superintendent Jagannath,
41:31and ASP Ballywap, North Central Division,
41:34along with ASP Soklal Singh from the Mounted Branch,
41:37coordinated, of course, by ASP Barat,
41:39woman acting ASP,
41:40Gonzalez-Lewis,
41:42Inspector Peters,
41:43acting woman inspector,
41:44Nassi's acting Sergeant Charles of the Northern Central Division Task Force,
41:48Eats,
41:49and woman sergeant Grant of the Piaquo Policy Center.
41:53So it's quite a collaborative effort
41:54between the two divisions,
41:58the divisions,
41:59the Mounted and Canine Branch,
42:01and other arms of the Trinidad and Tobago Policers
42:05in collaboration with the farming community as well.
42:08And initiatives like these
42:10is intended,
42:12or we hope,
42:13that it brings back that level of trust
42:15between the police and the public,
42:19and where they,
42:20in the event that they see something,
42:22they would be able to come to us
42:23to see something.
42:25Well, definitely the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service
42:28has said that they're using this as a,
42:30I guess, an initiative
42:31they're going to be monitoring,
42:33and they're hopeful that they can expand this project
42:35across Trinidad and Tobago
42:37for safer farming nationwide
42:41for all these farmers concerned.
42:43Yep.
42:44All right,
42:44we're going to take a call.
42:46Call on the line.
42:48Good evening,
42:48and welcome to Be On The Tape.
42:50Very pleasant,
42:51and good night to you all.
42:52Good day.
42:53Good night.
42:54How are you?
42:56We are well.
42:57We're doing great.
42:58Well,
42:59thank God I get on the show
43:00because this show is a hard show
43:02to get out on,
43:03you know.
43:05My friend,
43:06I have a problem,
43:07and a serious problem,
43:08and I don't know
43:11who could solve it,
43:13which authority could solve it,
43:16which minister could solve it.
43:18I don't know.
43:19Each of the
43:20unforgotten thing in this country,
43:24what I'm talking about
43:26is the illegal gambling
43:29in the country.
43:31Every single bar you go in,
43:33you see in playway,
43:3535 to 1,
43:3734 to 1.
43:39Yes,
43:40and every single,
43:41even police officers
43:43is going and playing.
43:46I witnessed that today,
43:47so that is why I say
43:48I'll call the program tonight
43:49because
43:51they say
43:53that they have to play
43:54by the government machine
43:55which is playway,
43:57but it have
43:58them Chinese
43:59have them all over
44:01set up this playway business.
44:03What authorities
44:04who's dealing with these
44:06matters in Trinidad and Tobago?
44:08Who is looking after
44:10this illegal gambling
44:12who is what is destroying
44:14a lot of families
44:15in Trinidad and Tobago?
44:17And that is one of the
44:19main solutions
44:20of crime
44:21because when you go
44:23on an evening
44:23or you pass in by a bar,
44:25you see in a long line
44:27by them Chinese
44:28and the age is 17,
44:30the age is 20,
44:32line up the gambling.
44:34When they lose the money,
44:35they're going to look up,
44:36pick up a gun,
44:37pick up a knife,
44:38work somebody
44:38to try to get
44:39out of the money.
44:40It's time for somebody
44:43in serious authority
44:45to deal with this
44:46illegal gambling.
44:48The police should have
44:49the mandate
44:50to go
44:52in a bar
44:53and lock up people
44:55when they find them
44:56gambling,
44:57seize
44:58the machine
45:00and they should be
45:01visiting every bar.
45:03Even,
45:04my friends,
45:05it's half places
45:05bearing my boot
45:07and playing
45:0735-1.
45:09It's half playway.
45:11People who are
45:12playway machine
45:13are the illegal
45:15gambling on the side
45:16in a playway machine.
45:17So what left
45:18the citizens
45:19like me to do
45:21who
45:22are trying to make
45:25an honest living
45:25outside here?
45:29Kolar,
45:29thanks so much
45:30for your input.
45:31I could sense
45:32the passion
45:32in your voice
45:33and the inspector
45:34is going to respond
45:36after the break.
45:37So stay with us.
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46:31OK,
46:32I see you.
46:33OK,
46:33let me see you.
46:34Cherry Hill,
46:35yeah,
46:35now take it back.
46:37Let me see you.
46:38Rock off,
46:38rock off,
46:39shake off,
46:40shake off.
46:40Let me see you.
46:41Rock off,
46:42rock off.
46:42Let me see you.
46:43Kick right,
46:43now kick left,
46:44now step forward,
46:45now step back.
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48:41Welcome back to
48:42Beyond the Tape.
48:42I'm your host,
48:43Mark Busson,
48:43of course,
48:44joined today by
48:45Inspector Kurt Callender
48:46of the Trinidad
48:47and Tobago Police Service.
48:48And I know you want to
48:48respond to the last caller
48:49quickly.
48:50Yes, I heard the passion
48:51of the caller
48:52and he seemed to be
48:53quite perturbed.
48:55So I want to say
48:55to that caller
48:56and all of Trinidad
48:57and Tobago,
48:58the police has not
49:00fallen asleep on a job
49:01where that particular
49:02offense is concerned.
49:03And I want to tell
49:04the caller
49:04that in October of 2025,
49:07police conducted
49:08a major operation
49:09in the Kirib district
49:10and that is
49:11in the San Josef district
49:12arresting nine people
49:14including six
49:14Chinese nationals
49:15for immigration offenses
49:17and shutting down
49:18an illegal gaming house.
49:19Right?
49:20And it was a joint
49:21police and tax
49:22enforcement operation
49:23in St. Joseph
49:24that uncovered
49:25nearly $1.9 million
49:27in unpaid gaming taxes
49:29from several establishments
49:30operating within
49:32breach of the
49:33Gambling Act.
49:34Yeah.
49:35Right?
49:35So we are
49:37fully aware of it
49:38and the directive
49:40given to us
49:41based on intelligent
49:42led operations
49:43you are going to be
49:44seeing more
49:44of those operations
49:45because those things
49:47have been going on
49:48for quite some time
49:49unabated based
49:50on our intelligence
49:51gathering.
49:53So we would be
49:54going after
49:55those establishments
49:56a lot more
49:57especially leading
49:59into the Christmas
50:00and Carnival period.
50:01So caller
50:01your concerns
50:02has not fallen
50:03on their fears
50:03at all.
50:04And I think
50:05if you can correct me
50:06if I'm wrong
50:06also there's the
50:07Gaming Logic Control
50:09Board
50:09Yes.
50:10where you can actually
50:11alert them to that
50:12and then they can
50:13confer with the police
50:14if you have information
50:15you can pass on
50:17that information
50:18to the Gaming
50:19Lottery's
50:20Control Board.
50:21Absolutely.
50:22Alright we have
50:22another caller on the line.
50:23Caller good evening
50:24and welcome to be
50:25on the tape.
50:26Yeah good night sir.
50:28So I just heard
50:29a speech about
50:30the video last
50:31and I think
50:35I was asking
50:36if they have
50:38the Piaquo area
50:39and the
50:40the Mocoya area
50:42to do too
50:45with the
50:46mountain branch.
50:49The Piaquo area
50:50by Ramco there
50:51you know
50:52they have
50:52businesses
50:53people at the
50:54parking
50:55and things
50:55I don't know
50:56they'll be involved
50:57there too.
50:58And also the NSTB
50:59people
51:01people using
51:02the NSTB
51:03as a
51:04you know
51:04like how it was
51:05long ago
51:06they just
51:07kind of
51:08they pretty much
51:09box on that
51:09foot and
51:10all kind of
51:11thing
51:11and
51:11you know
51:12join
51:12but NSTB
51:13basically
51:14is law
51:15by law
51:16right
51:17and if people
51:18breaking the law
51:19to do such
51:19they should be
51:20apprehended
51:20right
51:22they should be
51:23apprehended
51:24at all costs
51:24because
51:25in future
51:26we don't
51:27the government
51:28wouldn't want
51:29that type
51:29of our
51:31relationship
51:32with
51:32with
51:33the
51:34and
51:34the
51:35betting
51:35act
51:35right
51:36so
51:37all I would like
51:38to ask
51:39you know
51:39considering
51:40the mountain
51:41branch
51:42and the areas
51:43you know
51:43if there will be
51:44all
51:44Piaquo
51:45and environment
51:46and
51:47you know
51:48to me
51:49the young
51:49station
51:49it isn't really
51:50we have
51:51we have
51:52them
51:52you know
51:53using
51:53the machine
51:54and
51:54they're not
51:54obeying the rules
51:55of the government
51:56right
51:57by law
51:58that
51:58people
51:59will sign
52:00to them
52:02by machine
52:03right
52:04and they observe it
52:05so that
52:07they will be able to
52:07communicate with it
52:10so that
52:11before they get to
52:12their trouble
52:12they have
52:13prevention
52:14better than cure
52:16all right
52:18caller
52:18thanks so much
52:19for your input
52:20of course
52:21if you
52:23weren't listening
52:23before
52:23we did say
52:24that
52:24the initiative
52:26started off
52:27in the orange
52:27grove area
52:28and it's the
52:29intention of the
52:30police
52:30to
52:31expand that
52:33across Trinidad
52:34and Tobago
52:34to other areas
52:36so hopefully
52:36if this goes
52:37well
52:38later down the road
52:39in a couple
52:40of months
52:40we should see it
52:41panning out
52:42across Trinidad
52:43and Tobago
52:44absolutely
52:44you are absolutely
52:45correct
52:46and
52:46of course
52:48he didn't mention
52:49some of what
52:50we would have
52:51touched on earlier
52:52the gambling act
52:53and the NLCB
52:54being the legal
52:55authorities concerned
52:56but again
52:57those things
52:58can only
52:59continue
53:00to prosper
53:02once there is
53:04a demand
53:04one
53:05and
53:06persons who have
53:07the information
53:08is not reporting it
53:09so we are saying
53:10to you that
53:11that is
53:12valuable
53:12taxes
53:13that is
53:14seeping through
53:15slipping through
53:16the cracks
53:17and so on
53:17that can go
53:19towards
53:20making
53:21paving roads
53:23building schools
53:24and hospitals
53:25and so on
53:25so if you
53:27see something
53:28we want you
53:28to say something
53:29get on board
53:30with the
53:31TTPs
53:31and let's
53:32stamp out
53:32that illegal
53:33gambling
53:33once and for all
53:34yes
53:35once and for all
53:36alright
53:36we have another
53:37caller in line
53:37caller
53:38your last
53:39caller
53:39good evening
53:40and welcome
53:40to be on the
53:41team
53:41hi
53:43good evening
53:43gentlemen
53:44this is
53:45someone speaking
53:45so I want to
53:49clarify
53:49I would like
53:50you gentlemen
53:50to please
53:51clarify
53:52or speak
53:53to any
53:53higher ups
53:54or those
53:54in authority
53:54regarding
53:56the
53:56extra lane
53:58or the lane
53:59on the very
54:00far left
54:01on the highway
54:03headed into
54:04port of Spain
54:04because
54:05I was given
54:06a ticket
54:07recently
54:07for allegedly
54:11driving
54:11on the left
54:12improperly
54:13overtaking
54:13the left
54:14side of the
54:14road
54:15there was
54:16no mention
54:16of the word
54:17shoulder
54:17in that
54:19ticket
54:19now
54:19sometimes
54:20when I
54:20go into
54:20port of Spain
54:21I see
54:22police officers
54:23stationed
54:24whether highway
54:25patrol
54:25or general
54:26patrol
54:27with the
54:28fancy
54:28rags
54:28and
54:29taxi men
54:30with the
54:32normal
54:32drivers
54:35and even
54:35policemen
54:35themselves
54:36flying up
54:37the road
54:37on that
54:38lane
54:38and passing
54:39them
54:39streets
54:40the one
54:40day I
54:41took a
54:41chance
54:42to
54:42bypass
54:44some of
54:44the traffic
54:45I was
54:45given a
54:46ticket
54:46I see
54:48other
54:49persons
54:49they
54:49are
54:50just
54:50far
54:51beyond
54:51the
54:52water
54:53one moment
54:54where
54:55exactly
54:59it is
55:01okay
55:03I think
55:04we just
55:04call
55:05the inspector
55:07has a
55:08question
55:08for you
55:09if you
55:09are
55:10listening
55:10he would
55:12like to
55:13find out
55:13yes
55:16yes
55:17call
55:17the inspector
55:18has a
55:18question
55:19for you
55:19right
55:20could you
55:20could you
55:21tell us
55:21again
55:21where
55:21exactly
55:22this
55:22is
55:23where
55:25exactly
55:25where
55:26exactly
55:27you are
55:27speaking
55:28about
55:28San Juan
55:31San Juan
55:33where
55:36location
55:37wise
55:38did you
55:39get
55:39the
55:39ticket
55:40I
55:41got
55:41the
55:41ticket
55:42in
55:42the
55:42vicinity
55:42of
55:43Clearwater
55:43Clearwater
55:46where is
55:47that
55:47exactly
55:48sir
55:48right
55:49so
55:49you
55:49know
55:49you
55:50know
55:50where
55:50you
55:52know
55:52just
55:52before
55:53the
55:53NP
55:53company
55:55facility
55:56okay
55:57there
55:57is
55:57water
55:58treatment
55:59planning
55:59there
55:59is
56:00a
56:00sign
56:00that
56:00says
56:00Clearwater
56:01okay
56:02all right
56:03so you
56:03came down
56:04on the
56:04extreme
56:05left
56:05you came
56:05down
56:05on your
56:06shoulder
56:06yes
56:06yes
56:07all right
56:08that
56:09that
56:09should not
56:10have been
56:10a chance
56:10you should
56:11you should
56:11have even
56:11taken
56:12well
56:12I mean
56:13if
56:13if I
56:15could be
56:15the advocate
56:16here
56:16because I
56:16worked in
56:17Port of
56:17Spain
56:17Riverside
56:18Plaza
56:19and had
56:19to use
56:19that
56:20same
56:20route
56:22right
56:22and
56:23there
56:24isn't
56:24it is
56:25a bit
56:25confusing
56:26it
56:27can
56:27be
56:27a bit
56:28confusing
56:28as to
56:29where the
56:30shoulder
56:31ends
56:31where the
56:33shoulder
56:33ends
56:34and where
56:35someone
56:36can
56:36turn
56:36off
56:37to
56:37go
56:38over
56:38the
56:39ramp
56:39over
56:39there
56:40okay
56:43I know
56:43I see
56:43I was
56:44taken
56:44higher
56:44my bad
56:45okay
56:45so I
56:46can
56:46understand
56:47the
56:47caller's
56:47concern
56:48as it
56:49really
56:49well
56:50of course
56:52I didn't
56:52say
56:52exactly
56:53where
56:53the
56:53ticket
56:54was
56:54issued
56:54but
56:55many
56:55persons
56:56have
56:57some
56:58challenges
56:59properly
57:01negotiating
57:02that
57:02area
57:03to
57:03determine
57:04okay
57:04where
57:04does
57:04the
57:05shoulder
57:05end
57:05and
57:06where
57:07should
57:07I
57:07start
57:07turning
57:08off
57:08to go
57:09up
57:09onto
57:10the
57:10ramp
57:11I mean
57:12it is
57:12quite
57:12clear
57:13once you
57:14are
57:14driving
57:14on the
57:15extreme
57:15length
57:16by the
57:16dump
57:17headed
57:17down
57:18there
57:18all
57:18that
57:18is
57:18the
57:18shoulder
57:19so
57:19there
57:20should
57:20be
57:20no
57:20confusion
57:20at
57:21all
57:21that
57:22okay
57:22you
57:22should
57:22not
57:23be
57:23driving
57:24on
57:24the
57:25extreme
57:25left
57:25by the
57:26dump
57:26heading
57:26lower
57:27down
57:27and so
57:27on
57:27but
57:28I
57:30would
57:30have
57:31seen
57:31many
57:32vehicles
57:32use
57:33that
57:33entire
57:34left
57:35shoulder
57:35until
57:37the
57:37turn off
57:38to go
57:38over
57:39to the
57:39ramp
57:39and
57:40there's
57:41a
57:41police
57:42vehicle
57:43usually
57:43performing
57:45static
57:45duties
57:46and I
57:47haven't
57:47seen
57:47the
57:47vehicle
57:48stop
57:48anybody
57:49to give
57:49them
57:49a
57:49ticket
57:50so
57:51that
57:53probably
57:53could
57:54cause
57:54some
57:54confusion
57:55but
57:56caller
57:56we
57:56would
57:57get
57:57it
57:57right
57:57and
57:57we
57:58would
57:58we
57:59would
57:59have
57:59to
58:00they
58:00have
58:00to
58:00be
58:00proper
58:01marking
58:02as it
58:04relates
58:04to
58:04a
58:04kid
58:04no
58:06overtaking
58:07or
58:07whatever
58:08the
58:08case
58:08may be
58:08and
58:09you
58:09can
58:09start
58:09to
58:10turn
58:10from
58:10here
58:10to
58:10over
58:11the
58:11shoulder
58:11to
58:12over
58:12the
58:12fly
58:12over
58:13right
58:14right
58:14I
58:14hope
58:14that
58:15cleared
58:15it
58:15up
58:15for
58:15you
58:15caller
58:16inspector
58:17calendar
58:17we
58:17again
58:17want
58:18to
58:18thank
58:18you
58:18for
58:18spending
58:18the
58:19last
58:19hour
58:19with
58:19us
58:20remember
58:20repeat
58:21tonight
58:22at
58:2311
58:23we
58:24have
58:24two
58:28o'clock
58:29so
58:29don't
58:29forget
58:29the
58:30TV6
58:31News
58:31is up
58:31next
58:31and
58:32we'll
58:32see you
58:32back
58:32here
58:32tomorrow
58:33at
58:336
58:33PM
58:34with
58:34Legally
58:35Speaking
58:35Wednesdays
58:36Just to
58:47head into
58:47the
58:47TV6
58:48News
58:48the
58:48Prime
58:48Minister
58:49presents
58:49the
58:49Chief
58:50Secretary
58:50with
58:50the
58:50long
58:51awaited
58:51export
58:52license
58:52for
58:52the
58:53Steadley
58:53Park
58:53Quarry
58:54The
58:55Prime
58:55Minister
58:55announces
58:55that
58:56Tobago
58:56will be
58:57getting
58:57a
58:57special
58:58needs
58:58centre
58:59for
58:59children
58:59SOE
59:01detainees
59:01reported
59:02to be
59:02on a
59:02hunger
59:03strike
59:03at
59:03the
59:03Eastern
59:04Correctional
59:05and
59:05Rehabilitation
59:06Centre
59:06Put
59:07Hari
59:07more
59:07with
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