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03:26Welcome to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host, Mark Basant.
03:29Welcome to our viewers across Trinidad and Tobago.
03:32And of course, our global viewers and our brothers and sisters in the Isle of Grenada.
03:37It's a very short work week.
03:40This being the last day of the work week.
03:42But we're still, ironically, smack in the middle of the work week.
03:46And no better way to end it, of course, today than legally speaking Wednesdays with, guess who?
03:52Acting Sergeant Zaheer Ali of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
03:56And attorney at law.
03:57Welcome, sir. How are you?
03:59I'm okay, Mark.
03:59Thank you very much. Mark, every time you introduce me on a Wednesday, I see the joy and passion, you know, that comes from you.
04:05And I'm happy to see that.
04:07You know, I must indicate that it's inspiring.
04:09You know, it is refreshing.
04:11And, you know, I hope I don't fail you and Jackie and other family members on Beyond the Tape and TV6.
04:18You know, at no time, with reference to the Beyond the Tape and voice of the people.
04:21So I want to thank you very much.
04:22I feel joy and passion for every officer that stands here equally.
04:27Okay.
04:27But I'm happy to hear that.
04:28I know sometimes, you know, you're very passionate about assisting the community and the civilians so that when callers calling you, you try to provide a very thorough answer.
04:38And from a legal standpoint, and I think a lot of people admire that about you and how you carry about yourself in terms of being able to explain and break down things in a very fundamental way for the civilians to understand.
04:51Well, again, thank you, Mark, for your kind feedback in terms of, you know, you have just given a quick assessment, you know, of my delivery, of my contribution.
04:59And, you know, I want to thank you for that.
05:01And, Mark, you know, I always indicate to you, you know, both on set and off set and other persons that, you know, the fundamental perspective of being here is to ensure that, you know, we make a contribution.
05:13You know, we make a contribution and we really speak on behalf of the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago.
05:17So thank you very much for that.
05:19Jackie, let me salute you again, you know, behind the scenes, you know, doing a lot of work with your support staff and the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago, most importantly, and my colleagues, Mark, any law enforcement agencies.
05:33Mark, it would be remiss of me if I don't begin this afternoon by joining the national community, you know, to extend congratulations to the Commissioner of Police, Mr. Alistair Guevaro.
05:45So, you know, I want to congratulate him and I want to, you know, publicly, you know, express my support for the Commissioner of Police and, by extension, the executive of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
05:58You know, Mark, just reflecting quickly on the handing over ceremony, and I saw that, you know, Jackie is, you know, very timely in terms of, you know, our discussion.
06:08You know, a very strong, strong call, or I should say a very strong statement as it relates to the issue of school violence.
06:15You know, a very, very strong statement, and I think that, you know, coming from the Commissioner's level, you know, when you hear a statement directed to the school population or the education fraternity, I think that, you know, we must pay attention to that.
06:30So, again, congratulations to him, and, you know, he definitely has, you know, signaled some, you know, very clear intentions.
06:38But, Mark, like always, I'm here to assist in whatever way I can, but this issue of school violence as we go along.
06:46You know, I have some things to say as we proceed.
06:48Yes, certainly, and as you said, just to reiterate what you would have said, the Commissioner, very firm in his unscripted delivery yesterday at the St. James barracks, of course,
06:59letting parents know that the police is watching closely, and they will not tolerate indiscipline and violence in our nation's schools.
07:10Well, Mark, you know, it might be very timely as well.
07:14You know, when you hear the Commissioner of Police make a statement in relation to emphasizing upon the parents to exercise their role and functions properly,
07:22I think it's important to also reflect on the statement from the Honorable Prime Minister.
07:28Yes.
07:30When she made a very salient call to apply the law, apply the law where there is acts of violence,
07:37and I will now couple it to syndicate not only acts of violence, but we are seeing acts of criminality.
07:42Yes.
07:43And if you are seeing acts of criminality, I think the call by the Honorable Prime Minister to use the law with reference to arrest
07:50and if there's evidence to charge on police persons before the court to act as a deterrent in the first instance,
07:54but at the same time ensuring that you pave the way for the court to look at the circumstances surrounding those children
08:01and by extension the parents and the home to ensure that they get the necessary care as well.
08:05Because, Mark, you know, you know when you're looking at children, very sensitive matter from an international context,
08:10but looking at it from a retributive, rehabilitative, and a restorative context.
08:15You know, you have three very important philosophies, and I think that when you're looking at children,
08:21you should have a balance of all three in a given situation.
08:24But again, I also heed the call of the Honorable Prime Minister.
08:26And Mark, just to groan that point, you know, when a call is made like that, you know, at the leadership level,
08:31you know, it is something that is of significance.
08:35And when you look at the law, legally speaking, for those who may not know,
08:39a child over the age of seven can attract criminal liability.
08:44And I want to repeat that.
08:46A child seven years and over can attract criminal liability.
08:49You know, we have learned about the concept doly in Capax.
08:54You know, that concept where a child seven and under doesn't have what they call the requisite mens re,
08:58or appreciation for the conduct.
09:00But a child seven years and over can attract criminal liability.
09:04So hence why it goes, why it coincides with the call from the Honorable Prime Minister.
09:07Now, the call from the Commissioner of Police to the parents to ensure that they exercise that care that is required,
09:14to ensure that we uphold the rule of law and ensure that we preserve the population,
09:19and to ensure that all children enjoy that right to education.
09:23As Police Commissioner Guevara pointed out yesterday,
09:25control your children or we will contain them.
09:29That was his words yesterday at the handing over ceremony.
09:35And Mark, may I just say one thing again in relation to controlling the children?
09:38I think that, you know, just to, you know, build on the Commissioner's position.
09:43For the parents and guardians out there, or persons who have the responsibility for children,
09:47I think it may be a good time.
09:48And I want to remind you now and build on the Commissioner's submissions,
09:51that if you cannot control a child, in other words, if you're looking at the Children's Act,
09:56the inability to control a child, there are avenues within the Children's Act
10:01that you can petition the court to be able to get the necessary intervention and assistance.
10:05So don't feel that you're on your own.
10:08If a child is, basically, you are not able to control a child for whatever reason,
10:13whether it be an ICU where the child is really bent on violence,
10:17whether the child is on drugs, whether the child is abused,
10:23and that abuse is basically impacting the child's conduct,
10:26do not feel that you are on your own.
10:28The law, the state has provided mechanisms.
10:30So I think that you will want to know about that.
10:34You'll want to explore those options to be able to take care of the nation's children,
10:38and by extension, your child, if so be.
10:42All right, let's take a quick look now at our headlines.
10:44So those were some of the headlines over the last two weeks.
11:14And, you know, we got a social media video early this morning.
11:21Police in full swing chasing some car thieves in the Bele area in South Trinidad.
11:28Let's take a look.
11:29And then, you know, you're here at the Bele area.
11:45Let's take a look.
11:49right so you see those car thieves thought they had gotten away but the officers were
12:16very quick responded give chase probably over a period of time the car thieves realized that
12:22they were fighting a losing battle and they ran out left the car the other officer of course
12:27was able to bring the car to stop so that it didn't reverse and hit the other police vehicle
12:34that was chasing and we're hopeful that those men that the officer gave pursuit
12:38was held or hopefully they will be held pretty soon well mark you know just to look you know go
12:47back to that video and it just demonstrates that the risk and the challenges associated when you
12:54are policing and this is a high speed chase so in addition to looking at the suspects yes or if it's
13:01a case where the vehicle was stolen to recover the vehicle look what happens here with reference to
13:06this vehicle while the officers in pursuit mm-hmm this is what happens in terms of this vehicle
13:12so easily this vehicle could have end up in a situation where if not damaging public property
13:17which is the police vehicles it could have gone and probably who knows who may have been crossing
13:22the road or whose property may have been impacted so what I want to bring home here is that when we
13:27have seen crime and criminality it is you are seen easily the impact that it can have in relation to
13:34where our community is concerned but again the police officers are in terms of you could see
13:39mark the urgency to arrest persons who may have been perpetrated in crime and to Trinidad and Tobago
13:45those who are aware of this particular matter I make a very strong and salient call to you this
13:49afternoon that if you have intelligence you have information on the persons who may be may have been
13:54associated with this particular matter you know please feel free to provide that intelligence quickly so we
14:00could bring some completion to the exercise of arrests and hopefully if the evidence is their prosecution and
14:07you know bring those persons to justice but again I must commend the work of the police to by sending a
14:13clear message mark that we are going to pursue you yes and we also want to send that message to the
14:21suspects responsible and the killing of Jamie Mohammed apparently eight months ago she went to a bar in
14:30Separia and you know the police were they found a headless corpse they were only able to verify it through
14:38DNA testing eight months later calling one of the family members who was actually boarding a flight to tell
14:43them that the person that or the body that they found was in fact Jamie Mohammed she was at a bar in October 18
14:5118th of last year and the last footage that they saw was two men taken away in a vehicle and they
14:59found her a month later in a in a in a in a forested area not far from where she had gone missing I
15:07think in the Separia area and I remember the hunter-citrant rescue they were on that scene as well and
15:13clearly there is still the outstanding matter of these suspects in this particular matter well Mark
15:21again unfortunate my condolences to the family and the length of time you know waiting for that I think
15:25was the DNA results yeah the reference to that particular matter and you know I am confident that
15:31the Homicide Bureau of Investigations will continue their inquiry diligently but again I compound the call
15:37for persons who may have information credible intelligence to be able to solve this matter as
15:41soon as possible you know feel free to bring it to the attention of law enforcement Mark and you know
15:46just looking at it from a female context we are seeing what appears to be a prevalence as it relates
15:53to violence against women and in this case we also seen the elderly yes and Mark I'll say it's
15:59publicly in Trinidad and Tobago I know the Commission of history a strong statement to the parents I will
16:03follow suit and issue a strong statements to persons who are bent on affecting and disturbing and
16:08inflicting violence on our vulnerable population whether it be our children because we saw something
16:15recently up in Arima where a person enter intruder a primary school and I think you may be discussing
16:21that shortly yes but we are also seeing situations where the elderly for one reason or the other or the
16:28vulnerable group is being targeted and that is something I want to say to Trinidad and Tobago those are you
16:33all who are bent on targeting these vulnerable communities or groups I want to caution you this
16:40afternoon to reconsider your actions it is it is it is unacceptable crime in general is unacceptable
16:49but particularly the young children and the elderly I want to caution you this afternoon to desist from
16:56the Commission of acts of violence against these individuals and while we await you know the the
17:03arrest of those suspects involved in Jimmy Mohammed's murder we have further good news as it relates to
17:09Savannah Dyer remember Savannah Dyer was a young lady found without Carlson field with violent you know
17:16marks the head wounds I should say rather and she was still seen in a bar in the Barataria area a black car
17:24picked up and police executed um you know uh operation in the East Port of Spain area and they arrested
17:31one suspect and you know within hours of arresting that suspect yes a second suspect who they say is
17:39the brother of the first yes accused uh walked into the Riverside Plaza and gave himself up um apparently as
17:47another suspect in the killing of Savannah Dyer so uh at least the family is very grateful for that
17:56kind of closure well market you know that's always important when you are speaking about that word closure
18:02and you know I don't want to you know um I don't want to come across you know in an offensive way but yeah we
18:09need to flush these persons out and you want to use that word flush them out so that whatever area that they
18:15are seeking protection we need to flush them out ensure that justice um is served and um i'm happy to
18:22hear that in this instance persons also found it within themselves within their own consciousness so
18:28you know what i did on heinous crime and i need to come forward and you know give myself up to ensure
18:33that justice is served and incidentally one of one of those suspects actually posted a social media video
18:40uh confessing to the apparent crime and we would see how that uh works in this will um you know this
18:47whole thing with this matter but he clearly outlines his reason for doing what he did which is pretty sad
18:54when you really think about it yeah yeah i mean mark when you're looking at it from an evidential context
18:59you know um i'll always advise the police to look at every piece of information and every piece of
19:05information that may be relevant and even if there are issues of admissibility you know we there are
19:10ways you know that you know discussions could be had in relation to treating those matters but again
19:15every piece of information intelligence evidence is important or are important as the case in relation
19:19to these matters but again unfortunate but mark the the vulnerable groups again i want to re-emphasize
19:26that point and if it's one thing i'll assure you and members of the public this is when you'll see
19:30that i'll take the last fiber out of my body to ensure that i advise on those matters in the way that it
19:35should be done to bring justice to persons from the from where we are speaking about children and we
19:41are speaking about the elderly they have two vulnerable groups but two very important groups
19:45mark and i you know i do need to explain it it is self-explanatory as to why it is we need to protect
19:50our children and why it is we need to protect our elderly i don't need to go into that but for those who
19:56are bent on doing it i'm cautioning you to desist from engaging in those activities all right we're going
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23:13i believe our first caller on the line caller good evening good evening mr mark basant and the sergeant
23:24uh mr ali good evening let me offer congratulations to the organization sergeant ali belongs to the ttps and the new commissioner of police
23:40wise i am happy that there is a new commissioner of police because i believe the police service
24:00commission commission has beaten the apple four times with respect to choosing a police commissioner
24:10within the last five or six years we had gg you had ula christopher you had benjamin who got that three
24:19months and now you have guerrero so i want to congratulate them you also forgot mr jacob as well um
24:26caller but go ahead right okay well it's five it's five time but what i'm saying if you do the same thing
24:33with the same protocol you will most likely not get a good result i'm hoping that the new police
24:45commissioner i'm hoping that he was not put out of a brand tab and the metrics and all the various
24:52requisite requisite was basically done to give us that what i am anxious about and what i'm i've seen
25:02from this last try by the police service commissioner they went away from the current leadership that i have
25:11always questioned and that is good that tells me that the police service has people of a lower rank with
25:20the ability and requisite competency to be the leadership and i want to direct this sergeant ali i
25:28believe he from my advantage and seeing his demeanor the way he presents himself on this show is should be
25:37a candidate now the new police commissioner has a mandate to meet i listened to the prime minister today
25:45and she was quick to say she's glad that the current government dispatched and appointed a police
25:53commissioner forthwith and she alluded to some of the utterances during the changeover where he said
26:01police must be seen as superhero and he mentioned um random boroughs but more importantly he mentioned
26:08activities with criminal behavior and little children i want to call the new commissioner of police and by
26:15extension to sergeant ali and by extension you mr bassant the sabga 1997 report the juliet jules report
26:26these have to be pledged out and we have to do something about it we cannot hide issues about enjoy evening and listen of it
26:36okay i'll say that caller well mark you know quite a lot from the caller mark you know um you know i've
26:42heard you know this caller um you know advocating with the reference of the ensuring that there's proper
26:48leadership in the ttps and um you know his words speak for themselves and um you know i hope that the
26:55persons who are in decision making um capacities continue to look you know critically a bit of which
27:01should not to be a police service and um you know i want to to endorse you know his statements and i
27:05also want to say thanks for your kind feedback in terms of again mark you know you did an assessment
27:09when i when you introduce when you bring in the show this afternoon and i'm seeing you know the
27:13positive feedback from the caller so caller thank you very much and all those who share similar view i
27:17want to thank you all very much yes certainly and um you know as i said we talk about school violence
27:22and all these things and we had a very troubling uh matter as well at the santa rosa primary school
27:30where an intruder apparently got onto the school's compound and um based on the information i'm
27:37reading from the express and what i've read online yesterday as well yes it seemed that he got several
27:43students to move furniture into a room he locked the room and then he according to the tutor president
27:50proceeded to molest these students and apparently they raised an alarm that another teacher came and
27:56so on and uh obviously the suspect ran off but it's troubling when you look at first and foremost
28:05the perimeter fence according to the tutor president has been destroyed for quite a while and why wait
28:12for so long to have something like that fixed to ensure children's security these are young children
28:18well mark a very important point and um you know when you are looking at and you have identified
28:22possible gaps or associated possible opportunities um for persons who may be in bent or inclined to
28:28commit criminal activities you know we need to look at these things but again the headlines could you
28:32imagine the daily express if you could just raise it for me mark sure this is the buck this is the buck
28:37intruder at school and we were now reflecting on our vulnerable communities our children and this is a
28:44primary school right these are children between mark between five and and ten they were very traumatized
28:50so they had to get concerts to come in and so on and employee assistance program because i imagine even
28:55the teachers themselves would have been in some way also impacted by this incident well definitely you know
29:01mark five to eleven and then with the teachers that will come in that whole community in relation to that
29:06school will definitely be impacted but again it goes to show in the wider society we have some people who are
29:13exhibiting some very very troubling tendencies and mark is very unfortunate i do not know at this time
29:18what is the degree of the assaults but any assault against children is a no-no and again i make a call
29:25this afternoon for persons who have information in relation to this intruder i'm asking you to bring that
29:31information as soon as reasonably practicable so that law enforcement can take the necessary steps mark i may
29:37also want to go as far possibly coming up the program you know probably to call the executive of the ttps and
29:42you know this is one of the situation i believe but when matters like these occur that there should be
29:46an assembly of a task force uh of the various agencies that are relevant to this particular matter
29:54to religiously pursue this matter and bring it to an end because it's definitely of public interest
29:59um i heard the honorable prime minister spoke about it and made statements on it as well
30:02um and i must also take this opportunity to recognize the president of tutor i had a discussion
30:08yesterday with the president and um prior members of the executive and i'm seeing uh
30:14an energy mark yeah um among the his executive to want the truth with school violence and this will bring me
30:22to make a salient um point here this afternoon i should say a strong recommendation to the higher
30:28authorities that i think the time has come to establish a national task force to look immediately
30:35with what the response should be with reference to the safety in our nation schools and dealing with
30:40history of school violence because when you have different leaders speaking out i think that we need to
30:45have some cohesion and i think a national task force at a very senior level should be assembled with the
30:50necessary expertise to determine and devise our immediate response in dealing with these matters so that
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33:50welcome back to be on the table i'm your host marcus and joined today by acting sergeant zaheer ali of the
33:54trinidad and tobago police service and attorney at law and of course we're going to go to
33:59one of our favorite segments of voice of the people in arima
34:13what what do you think is the root cause of the high crime rate in our country
34:25what what do you think is the root cause of the root cause of the high crime rate in our country
34:39the root cause well i will say yeah i said i got jobs that's a drama jobs you know but other than that i say according to bible principle they will get from battles we have to seek word as a people in the country we have to seek word first
34:43seek word for all other things and he will put things in place for me
34:59well one i mean i have children and grandchildren a lot of young people now little lazy they don't
35:07want to come out and really work it's not that they say it have jobs but they just choose not to do
35:12whatever it is i mean because you could go and cut somebody grass you could go and clean somebody
35:18kitchen you could clean somebody window you do something at least you're earning an honest dollar
35:23right so it's their choice there are choices to be made on us their choice sometimes the parent the
35:28upbringing but the parents also understand so well as i tell you number one the children need to get
35:33occupied if you occupy the children in activities and provide jobs and whatever for them and thing right
35:40and get them out the road stop the block climbing thing and i said and and and and for the parent and
35:46educate the parents on the life and living they go help a lot you understand so you
35:52have to occupy the hands because the hands island you understand i'll bring parents away
35:59parents they're not doing their jobs
36:02yeah yeah a parent you have your son coming home with items he can't afford it and you're asking
36:07where you're getting that from i can bring him solely on the parent lack of respect for your elders
36:16not only unemployment because the government could give everybody a million dollars it will still
36:20are killing they'll still have crime people have to have more respect for life in general
36:27and bring back the capital the punishment delimitation spare any road and spoil any child
36:36you might need to take away that from school 10 days you could
36:39they're my friend no police long time when i see a police on a bicycle i run inside
36:44now the military and doing the political bing bing bing bing so they are no respect and i said and
36:51they need to is a holistic problem as i come back this is start from home
36:55my parents have to deal with it it's not only beating alone you have to talk to children you have to show
37:00them love and affection
37:08but i say there's a lot of delinquent will follow them want to come out and look for work and they
37:14want everything easy and anytime they get an opportunity camera crime is opportunity
37:18anytime they get a little opportunity to do a crime guys what is
37:21voice of the people in arima well mark very relevant and i'll tell you why it is very relevant
37:32this particular voice of the people you know it was heavily grounded in the role and responsibility
37:39of parents and ensuring that the children and the youths to a certain extent is properly guided
37:45or i should say that parents exercise and guardian proper supervision and care for where these
37:49children are concerned and i think it's very relevant for the for the topics that we are dealing
37:52with this afternoon and um that will bring me um to the second point that i want to make in relation
37:57to supporting this voice of the people interview or interviews i should say mark the children's act
38:04it's in the law books and we are there's an urgent need to deeply enforce our legislation
38:10and just by way of example in that legislation in order to get parents to be binded in a case where
38:21they are not doing it voluntarily or honoring their responsibility as parents if we are enforcing that
38:27legislation you will realize that there's an avenue in which we can through the court system bring parents
38:34before the court bring the guardians before the court to be able to be binded by certain orders that
38:40the court will give for example if you are falling short in terms of parenting or you do not have the
38:45capacity to parent you may find that the court will open a window for you to ensure that you get the
38:50necessary um exposure to understand what parenting if it's a case of poverty it may be a situation where
38:56the court can make certain orders to ensure that the vulnerabilities is is is is treated with so again the
39:04second point i want to make this afternoon to conjunct with that with that interview voice of the
39:08people is the enforcement to ensure that the law and again i want to go back to the honorable prime
39:13minister in recent times she's holding on to the rule of law whether it be stania grong whether it be
39:20dealing with school violence she's holding on to the rule of law and i am following similarly by pointing
39:27to the children's act to ensure that is not law that are in the law books but law that has been utilized
39:33to be able to give us a resolution to the issues we are facing and especially from the stakeholder of
39:39parents and the children yeah well said because as you said you know all those persons would have um
39:45you know in some way or the other uh believe that parents is crucial uh in this instance to ensure that
39:53the children are on the right path and to ensure that they are expected to do what they need to do when
39:59they are out of the house and they are at school but because you know the argument is that the child
40:04that you have at home sometimes might not be the child that you have at school well mark let me let
40:08me say something to the parents and guardians immediately and i i believe in full transparency
40:13accountability this is not a hide and seek him when an instruction is given to look at arresting and
40:20if there's evidence to charge children and place before the court i want to alert the parents and
40:25guardian this afternoon and to protect them that when that happens and your child appears before the
40:30court any final sanctions that are associated with any acts of criminality you parent and guardian
40:37will be held accountable and responsible to honor whatever sanctions that are handed down and
40:43secondly the court is going to examine whether you parent or guardian have been exercising the
40:49necessary care and supervision over your children so this is my my advice to you my love for you
40:55parents and guardian i'm speaking directly to you this afternoon i wouldn't like to see any of you all
41:00ending up before the courts or have your children end up before the court so let us let us you know
41:04there's a saying mark prevention is better than cure i am giving you this advice this afternoon this is
41:10our country this is our society let us play our role in protecting our children and protecting ourselves
41:16in the process so i've given you clear advice i've given you cogent advice do not be the person that
41:22are called upon to be able to honor sanctions that may have been imposed by a court as a result of the
41:29conduct of your child which you have neglected and which you have not exercised proper
41:34care and supervision all right we're going to take a short break and we'll be back stay with us
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44:14welcome back to beyond the tape i'm your host mark wasan joined today by acting sergeant zaheer ali
44:21of the trinidad and tobago police service and attorney at law and i know you just wanted to complete
44:27um you know you were talking about school violence about parents and how they need to be
44:32uh you know intervening in a child's life when there's something wrong especially when it deals with
44:37school violence and i know you had some other point to make as well yes mark thank you very much um
44:41um the third point that i like to make a reference is your school violence we have dealt with our
44:47national task force we have dealt with the enforcement of the children's act to get parents
44:52um involved mark there's another area and that other areas in relation to the school matrix
44:58there's a school matrix that is presently in in effect with reference to the response that is
45:03required or how to treat with violence that is occurring within the school system it is my respectful
45:07view and if i ever have the opportunity to be part of that national task force on in any way to advocate
45:13that document i think needs to be immediately reviewed and i say that because it is it operates on our
45:19tier system but and i know that you are very passionate about this issue that i'm going to raise
45:25when you are seeing violence and violence in the way that we are seeing it in a school
45:29where you have a number of students um in involving in in very dangerous assaults
45:36we must not divorce our minds that when you see particular areas in trinidad and to be
45:41that are prone to gang and gang related activity that we cannot be divorce our minds that in the school
45:47system you see you could immediately draw on access in terms of the the culture and tradition or the
45:52violence that we are seeing is now manifested within the school system so if you are seeing gang and
45:57gang related activity because may i say mark under the schedule of the anti-gang act there's an
46:02assault occasion on actual bodily harm so when you see two or more children in a particular state of
46:07affairs you have to be careful and watch that with the lens that is required to be sure that that is
46:14not gang activity that is unfolding within a school system that may have been what the break in terms of
46:19the actual assault but anyone knows what was happening prior what threats will be made prior and the
46:25level of organization with reference to these persons so if we are seeing that how can you have in
46:31respectfully uh matrix and in the matrix we are not speaking solidly about treating with gang and
46:38gang related activities and i say that to say this how many teachers how many principal and even parents
46:45in a position to identify if in fact gang related gang related activities are unfolding in a school
46:50system how do you identify identify you an expert you have done deep analysis you have done deep
46:56reporting what are some of these signs that you will see that one will suggest hey listen we need to pay
47:01attention here it appears that there is some propensity for gang related activities is it that they
47:06address in the same way is it that they have tattoos of a similar um um um like is it that they are
47:12they're they're they're assembly is it we need to start studying and start gathering the intelligence to
47:18determine whether in fact we have a criminal group within our school system or whether that particular
47:22group of individuals knowing that they are coming from a particular area why we need to be switched
47:26on so entered in at the 18th of june 2025 we cannot be speaking about a matrix that is not directed
47:35efforts to gang and gang related activities so my simple call immediate review of that matrix and perhaps
47:41it can be looked at by the national task force as you respond and i'm sure you will have something to
47:46start to that yeah well well definitely a good point because i know that there was an officer here
47:50from the victim and support witness unit uh some time ago last week yes and she did make mention of
47:56the fact that they know they are very sorry this um this growth and popularity of of persons supposedly
48:04supporting this gang or that gang in schools that's right and you even have um subtle messages maybe
48:11on the on the toilet walls that you wouldn't actually see unless you go into the toilets as a female or a
48:17male student saying you know this is x this is y as the case may be and this is our area you can't come
48:23in and it is something that has become very concerning and and prevalent across trinidad and tobago and
48:30when you look at that one of the things that you have to also look at is social media and how it transcends
48:37across the country um on instagram and facebook and these things subliminal messages even the music
48:44that that is being listened to by some of the young persons they might not literally take the meaning
48:51to heart but some do mark is so refreshing and i'm not surprised in the way that you have responded
49:00you see that those markings which we refer to as graffiti it is so important that it is person's
49:06marking territory even within a school system and i speak here i speak here with confidence based on
49:11the information and intelligence that i'm receiving from persons within the education system that in
49:17particular areas there are intelligence at minimum of where gangs are existing within schools so i want
49:26trinidad and tobago and especially law enforcement and the the education system and that's why i was inspired by
49:32the commissioner's statement when we are looking at school violence this afternoon i i i i moved it
49:38from violence to acts of serious criminality and if we are looking at acts of serious criminality we are
49:44not looking at it in a singular context we are looking at two or more what are formally or informally
49:51organized who is engaging in gang related activity case in point assault actually assault occasion and
49:58actually bodily harm so if we want to deal with this monster we need to deal with this monster now otherwise
50:03mark you may have education system or schools not producing academics you know
50:13and i wouldn't say what yes right but we have to be careful with that obviously need a more a fervent
50:19collaboration between the ministry of education and the trinidad and tobago police service and i think
50:25uh what the commissioner would have echoed yesterday we are hopeful that in the coming weeks something
50:31will be put in place obviously to monitor this kind of school violence and other activities within
50:38schools that are deemed to be illegal we're going to take a short break and we'll be back stay with us
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52:52welcome back to beyond the tape i'm your host mark vassan joined today by acting sergeant
53:20zaheer ali of the trinidad and tobago police service and attorney at law and i know you all
53:26remember a couple weeks ago we were showing you a video it's actually of a porsche vehicle
53:33and you know um i just wanted to give you guys an update somebody did send me some information
53:39pertinent the likely um vehicle um that would have been driving along the the highway
53:47along the the solomon sorry you are butler highway at breakneck speed and uh we even believe we might
53:54know the driver but of course we're still asking anybody if they know the time and date of that
54:01actual video to obviously send us an email or calling to the to the show at some point and give us
54:08that information even if you don't want to give it on here you can give it off here and maybe
54:13um acting sergeant ali will act on it because uh me he's very interested you know and i know a lot
54:20of people have been talking uh when i spoke to some people in salmon yesterday uh one one gentleman
54:24remarked that uh speeding should be uh actually a criminal offense in any way uh people drive because
54:31you're liable to to kill someone or if not badly injure not that's just someone but persons in your vehicle
54:38as well and this is the video referring to um so you're seeing it there it's not a it's not a ferrari
54:44actually it's a porsche i was corrected it seems to be a white vehicle based on the information provided
54:52to me by someone who seems to be familiar with the said vehicle and perhaps the driver lives in san fernando
54:59i've been told and i know my leonard friend here acting sergeant ali will be digging deeper yes well
55:07mark thank you very much and you know you see the power of the media mark i want to thank you very much
55:10for um the information that has been derived thus far and again i want to join you um because i'm very
55:16interested in this matter with any um intelligence or information or i may say directly now the owner or
55:22the driver of that vehicle if you know yourself call in leave your name with the producer and we will
55:30arrange to meet with you um legally i will even advise you you can come in with an attorney if you
55:34so desire but we need to speak with you um and it's we want to speak with you in the public interest
55:39uh mark that is you that you spoke about where the feedback is um to make it an arrestable offense
55:45again i am i want to strongly endorse that you may have a point system that on three occasions you may
55:51have 10 points or 14 points and then you're looking for a suspension all it takes is a single act
55:55like that yes to cause death so yeah i am very very adamant that arrestable offense for dangerous
56:01driving careless driving and driving with uk and attention arrestable and take before the court but
56:06mark quickly before we close i want to take this opportunity to wish you i receive some intelligence
56:11that you may be um proceeding on some professional and other engagement intelligence yes you know professional
56:18and other engagements and i want to wish you great success um in your endeavors and i look forward to
56:22seeing you um return um and to trinidad and tobago you know a long holiday weekend and i want to ask you
56:28to enjoy it be responsible on the road be responsible in whatever you're doing um happy labor day and to
56:35the um persons who will be enjoying corpus christi you know i think that the saying is that if you have
56:40things to plant you plant on that day so trinidad and tobago you know i want to wish you you
56:44you know a great enjoyable weekend so mark two equally important holidays you know the labor
56:49movement you are a butler yes of course recognizing his great efforts for the labor movement the
56:55oilfield workers workers trade union and then you had many other unions that came after yes to champion
57:00the rights of workers in various uh businesses sectors etc and then we have that religious holiday
57:06of corpus christi yes try and plant something a nice a nice uh tree or a plant even yes as we celebrate that
57:14um that religious holiday on the friday and now just quickly be remiss of me i know father day has gone
57:19yes based on how they celebrate on the third sunday but father day is every day so belated to the
57:24father of the trinidad and tobago you know i salute you this afternoon all right okay repeat tomorrow
57:30sorry tonight at 11 30 repeat tomorrow at 11 o'clock the tv6 news is up next please be safe enjoy your
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