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03:41Welcome to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host Mark Bassan. Welcome to our viewers across Trinidad and Tobago and of course across the globe.
03:49And a special welcome to our viewers also in the sister island of Grenada.
03:55It's Tuesday and with us today is our acting corporal, sorry, corporal Derek Shabadi of the St. James Police Youth Club. Welcome, how are you?
04:06Well, blessings to you and yours. I trust that you had an excellent week.
04:10So far, so good.
04:12I want to just send a happy birthday greetings to Pastor Clive Dutton.
04:18He celebrated his birthday, I think he celebrated his sweet 16.
04:21He's truly one of my mentors. He's on our management board and a true soldier, a warrior, a man who's on the field with young people.
04:30The amount of energy this man has, you know, you have to applaud him.
04:32He's definitely one of those that has championed the fight against crime in all different areas, I imagine.
04:42And we've seen him being very vocal in the past when it comes to gang violence, when it comes to domestic violence, to whatever it might be, crime related.
04:52A national icon.
04:53Pastor Dutton has been one of those persons that has really tried to shape the landscape and tried to push things in a positive direction.
05:03Yes, and we want to recognize not just the work he has done, but the people he has touched and transformed.
05:12And we appeal to so many that if God has called you, answer the call.
05:17And he certainly has shown an excellent track record.
05:21You know, you ask a man his age and you just keep going.
05:25And we really want to salute him and thank him for his human service.
05:29And I think Trinidad and Tobago has a debt of gratitude to people like Pastor Dutton.
05:33And so many people, regardless of their age, making themselves of value in Trinidad and Tobago.
05:40You know, you talk about this whole engagement by Pastor Dutton and others like him.
05:47And I know that the commissioner spoke yesterday about the advent of community policing, which of course, he indicated, has led to a 30% decline in crime.
06:02Oh, yes. And that speaks to the excellent work community policing is doing.
06:06And I want to ask all my colleagues to take a bow.
06:10Western Division, Port Ismael Division, Tobago Division, Southwestern Community Policing is doing good work.
06:16And proactive approach to crime prevention is where it's at.
06:20You know, not being reactive, but proactive.
06:22Understanding what's going on in the community and making themselves useful.
06:26And when you talk about community policing, it's not just police.
06:30It's several stakeholders coming together to work in concert with the police.
06:35You're talking about the fire, the church, the school.
06:38That is how crime is fought effectively through the media.
06:42All these stakeholders sitting on a table and saying, what can we do in order to rescue our children?
06:47Of course, as you said, building that trust in the communities by having, you know, various programs.
06:52You know, we have the comfort patrols.
06:55We have where the police would go into various areas and have a meet and greet.
07:00Exchange ideas, have conversations with the citizens to understand some of the concerns that they may have.
07:08And how, by listening, they can better address those concerns.
07:12And of course, action them at certain times.
07:14Station Council is also an excellent initiative where the inspector in charge of the division meets with members of the community.
07:22And they come up with, you know, excellent initiative, signature projects like the suspension program, like join a club, not a gang.
07:30You know, using sports as an excellent vehicle.
07:33There are people out there that are willing to work with the police.
07:37It's just that we have to embrace them and we have to understand that all hands are on deck if we are to effectively fight a crime.
07:43So, we feel honored that community policing has made the front page of the, is it the front page?
07:49It's actually at the back of the Express, but it's a daily news extra story.
07:54But nevertheless, whether it's at the back or the front, you know, the Express has now adopted a front page lead and a back page lead at times.
08:01This is just inside the back page lead story.
08:05But nevertheless, it still gives you a lanyard of extra news stories that you wouldn't find in the front, but it's equally important to note that.
08:12Oh yes. Oh yes. And for all those who continue to understand the role of policing and appreciate the fact that this fight is a collective fight.
08:23And at the end of the day, these are the nation's children. It's not just a neighbor.
08:28I think we have to show an appreciation and redefine this fight as a collective fight.
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15:20So those are some of the headlines within the last 24 hours.
15:22Just quickly, I wanted to take you to one of the headlines.
15:25The 16-year-old boy who was cleared of any charge.
15:29And we talk about self-defense.
15:32Here, when a man attacked his mother with a knife and a cutlass.
15:36He obviously came to her defense and defended his mother.
15:40And of course, they decided after police and the legal counsel
15:44that no charge against this young man for defending his mother.
15:48Yes, you have to establish men's rights and the intent.
15:53He was there to protect his mom.
15:56He felt that his mother was in harm's way.
15:59And as any child, he said no.
16:02And unfortunately, he used a knife to ensure that his mother was protected.
16:07And I'm sure that the director of public prosecution
16:10and for all those who would have taken a statement realized
16:13he was in good stead, he was in good faith.
16:15You know, that's right.
16:17And there was no criminal intent on the young man's part.
16:20His mother was in a position where he tried to rescue his mom.
16:24I need to be applauded for that.
16:26Indeed.
16:28So we're going to just show you a video that's circulating on social media.
16:32And according to the narrator, it's an incident that happened
16:35in the Point Fort area.
16:37A person shot there, obviously lying on the ground.
16:40Injured from his gunshot wound.
16:44So, you know, it just goes to show, you know, we have, you know,
16:48we talk about firearms every day on this program.
16:51The weapon of choice, so to speak.
16:55And we're seeing here another unfortunate incident
16:58where someone, a victim is lying on the ground with a gunshot wound.
17:04And the commissioner was not too long on this program
17:07talking about the amount of guns that the police service has returned.
17:10You're talking about thousands.
17:11And yet still you, you know, so that there has to be
17:14some type of intelligence in terms of stopping the flow.
17:18And people who understand the importance and the detriment
17:23when a person has a gun, that is not just the perpetrator,
17:27but sometimes the innocent bystander.
17:30And, you know, you watch these things and sometimes people become numbed.
17:34But it's alive.
17:36And therefore, we have to understand that we need to make sure
17:39that the guns are removed from the community
17:43and in the hands of the criminal element
17:45so that our country and our community will be safer.
17:48And that should be our mantra for 2025,
17:51getting the guns out of the community.
17:53Yeah, you're right.
17:55Because, you know, as you say, that can only happen with what?
17:58Community engagement.
18:00That's right.
18:02With those persons who know actively who's holding a gun
18:04or guns for somebody, not necessarily at their compound,
18:06but they go to somebody's grandmother or their aunt or their uncle.
18:10There was a story sometime back where apparently
18:13they found the guns in her grandmother's home.
18:16That's right.
18:18Right? What she was holding for.
18:20That's right.
18:22You know, alleged gang leader or gang member.
18:24Yes. And it tells you that we have to look at homes
18:28that are set up to aid and abet and to perpetrate these gangs
18:32because these gang leaders are sometimes providing them
18:34with groceries, providing them with, you know, pseudo-basic needs.
18:38It's all false.
18:40Yes.
18:42At the price of what?
18:44Hold a gun from her.
18:46You know, because that's the last thing an officer would look,
18:48asking a grandmother who in her 80s,
18:50Mommy, open your door, please.
18:52But that is how times are.
18:54And that is unfortunately the way that we have to spin it up
18:57and ensure that, okay, even the grandparents
19:01need to be held accountable
19:02because you're no longer having a home again.
19:05Yeah.
19:07You're putting your children at risk.
19:09And that is not a good thing.
19:11Yes. Putting your children at risk.
19:13Certainly not the way to go.
19:15All right. We're going to take a short break
19:17and we'll be back. Stay with us.
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21:38Welcome back to Beyond the Tip.
21:40I'm your host, Marc Besson,
21:42and of course, joined today by
21:43Police Youth Club and we want to remind you of the numbers to call 623 1711
21:50extensions 1996 and in 1997 and we talked about you know incidents
21:57involving vehicles and so on and people using vehicles even as a weapon and of
22:03course a lot of people would have seen across the world yesterday Liverpool
22:08fans celebrating the team's English Premier League title and so thousands of
22:17them took to the streets of Liverpool yesterday and then this incident
22:21happened
22:24so this would have been the aftermath of the incident the person was driving this
22:39van in the crowd and apparently what occurred was that the vehicle first was
22:46driving slowly and it appeared that it was in an area where there were
22:51thousands of fans so the vehicle apparently the person drove and then it
23:00drove into a crowd of persons you can see it here now speeding and knocking
23:07away several look at that plowing into hundreds of people there or you know or
23:14dozens of persons and then they ascended on the vehicle thankfully no one was
23:21killed but I think several persons were injured during this just unfortunate
23:28incident that obviously put a dampen a damper on the the celebrations of
23:33Liverpool and their fans. It tells you the times that we are living in that
23:38people who like to take the losses that they're fanatics you know what what what
23:43voice what would allow you to go behind a vehicle and use your vehicle as a
23:47weapon and drive it whether it's children there women there you know and
23:52just use it as a deadly weapon share evil you know and there's something
23:58called copycat even when you look at is somebody looking at that would admire
24:03that yes on for the twisted mind would look at and say how nice how to do it
24:08and we have to be very careful you know we go about him celebrating and and you
24:13know claiming enjoying a day whether it's football or whatever because there
24:17are people out here feel that you have no right it is not your right to enjoy
24:22it's not your right to be happy you know because they live in a world where they
24:25want to believe in sadness and evil and that evil we see it expressed in the
24:31unfortunate enjoying of the Liverpool um yeah celebration 53% and you know of
24:38course when you when you look at the aftermath of the video hundreds of
24:42persons ascended on that vehicle because they were so angry and upset of what
24:46this person of course had done of course you know the police had to
24:50actually contain several of the persons there that ascended on the vehicle and
24:55then they had to obviously form a protective you know wall around the
25:00suspect that they apprehended that they believe would have been the person that
25:06drove that vehicle into that that crowd of persons that individual is very
25:10fortunate thank God for the police need to be need to say express every tank in
25:15because left alone I mean I said what I've taken my part I mean I say you we
25:20are celebrating it's a day where we you know we ping homage to it and and then
25:26you take your vehicle to do this thing you know and we need to frown on that we
25:31need to send a message this is not also our society is made up of this is not of
25:36God this is evil and it should not be like it should not be smiled at it
25:41should not be applauded we should make a serious statement even in Trinidad you
25:46would have people even considering to do that when people come over thank God
25:50because it's great mover and we are grateful that this type of image is
25:57something that we can use to let people know it could never be supported and
26:03should never be applauded and we should see that it is this person share evil
26:08yes and you know you know what you talk about that you know I know there are
26:12specific laws that apply here you know when persons you know there's vehicular
26:17manslaughter there's manslaughter and so on when you I guess when you premeditate
26:22to use your vehicle in any way to to try to perpetuate a crime of some sort yeah
26:27on any motor vehicle or road traffic it's absolutely clear if you use your
26:31vehicle if there is clear evidence that you use your vehicle for intent criminal
26:39intent you'll be held accountable I mean I say carelessness and recklessness or
26:44error is different and all that is part on the evidence and and what the officer
26:49compiled but you could show that there was not even bricks in no time in fact
26:57the man went down on the gas and continue course right was that case but
27:02a vehicle was dysfunctional or smooth I cannot give nothing you know and we we
27:09live in a global village now and we need to make sure that that type of lifestyle
27:13is not at all should never reach in this one by four countries beautiful country
27:18was well enough with the criminal remains we don't need that right now
27:23just have a basic question because you know if you're having a celebration
27:27obviously several several paths ways will be blocked off the normal traffic
27:33so it would stand the reason is either he would have parked his vehicle or left
27:37it in a specific area along one of those side streets I think it's water Street
27:42or Walter Street where the alleged incident happened over there there's an
27:48intersection there maybe the car was parked and left there intentionally
27:52because if you would have seen that route that route is blocked off yes so
27:58that thousands of persons can traverse that roadway without any traffic rather
28:04than without the exception of course of police vehicles would be on standby
28:08because of course it's thousands and thousands of fans coming out there on
28:13the road to celebrate to see their heroes their team and so on he got
28:19disrupt he came on he said I'm gonna disrupt the celebration today somebody
28:24that is evil yeah you know I mean they say already lost and probably need to go
28:29somewhere and it's okay my team never come back again that is not the frame of
28:34mind frame of mind is I couldn't disrupt the celebration yeah you know and that
28:39type of thinking leads into particular type of action the way you think is the
28:45way you speak and we speak is we behave so they're thinking is what you look at
28:49what why would you think the way you think and then activated with action
28:52after I say evil yes indeed we have a call on the line call a good evening
28:58hi good evening I just have a question that I would like to pose concerning
29:07the firearms right all abiding things of course so I'm a businessman I've
29:14applied since 2017 and I had a matter before the court right the judge ruled
29:22that they supposed to make a decision by the 22nd of May which would have been
29:27last week last week sometime and they didn't they didn't give any
29:33correspondence or anything like that so I was wondering what are the
29:37consequences for the persons or the person in charge for not giving a
29:44decision when they supposed to I don't know if they may consider themselves
29:48above the law but I would like to find out who would be held accountable if
29:53anyone would be held accountable for that. So I don't know if you can give me any advice or any answer to that question.
30:06I'm not quite clear on the question.
30:09Is it that you are awaiting a decision from the court or is it you are awaiting a decision from the senior police officers?
30:17okay so the judge made a court order that the officer of the commission of police
30:24supposed to give me a decision whether yes or no on the 22nd of May which was
30:31last week and to date they haven't done anything so my lawyer advised me that
30:37we have to file contempt of court proceedings and now it's gonna cost the
30:41state more money again I mean that's not my concern but what I'm concerned about
30:45is I was a victim of a robbery last year June the 18th so I have applied since 2017 and I've been patient
30:55waiting and I didn't want to go down this route but I have no choice left
31:00because I'm a law-abiding citizen so my question again is who is going to be held responsible for this
31:09because a judge ruled that a decision has to be made on said date and to date nothing has been done.
31:19I don't know if you could probably shed some light on that and give me some information if possible.
31:25I would really appreciate that.
31:27Thanks a lot. Corporal Shabody.
31:29Well I think that you will have to rely on the legal counsel.
31:32Yes.
31:33You will have to go back to his lawyer and say listen this thing is a case of being taddy,
31:38procrastinating in terms of a response and therefore the lawyer or his legal counsel will have to write the next letter
31:45and probably giving them an ultimatum.
31:48There are some intricacies there that I'm not really familiar with because we don't have all the facts
31:53but I think the best person who will be accurate with the matter is his lawyer
31:58and you need to go back and say listen we need to probably pursue this differently
32:01because there are different angles that you could probably get a response from
32:06whether it's from the office of the commissioner or by extension the individual
32:12that may be part and parcel of being taddy in terms of responding to the court order
32:17and you can go back to the same court and inform the court.
32:20Yes. That is obviously what I think through his lawyers he will obviously have to do
32:25but then again you can also follow up to find out where is the matter at
32:29in terms of how are they dealing with it at the TTPS level
32:33based on the fact that it's a judge's order saying that you all need to make a decision
32:38whether or not this gentleman is to be granted a firearm.
32:42Yes. Considering the circumstances he described about an incident last year.
32:46Yes. And again there's a case of appeal that is maybe taking place
32:51probably they're waiting for a copy of the case ruling and getting legal advice a way forward.
32:58There are a lot of factors that would have contributed to that
33:01but I think that the best person that he would get advice is from his legal counsel on the way forward.
33:07All right. We're going to take a short break and we'll be back. Stay with us.
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34:34Welcome back to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host Mark Bassan.
34:47Joined today by Corporal Derek Shabadi of the St. James Police Youth Club.
34:52And I know you wanted to give us a little update about some things happening in Tobago.
34:57Yes. In fact I'm from the Assistant Commissioner.
35:01So once you had some mine you know what I'm talking about.
35:05So as I said we're all heads of the Tobago Division along with seniors of the line.
35:09And they're doing excellent work in terms of using football as a vehicle.
35:15The name of the initiative is reclaiming our communities from crime.
35:19Rock us. Excellent program. And what what.
35:23And it is being done by the social worker police social worker Miss Matthews.
35:28And we would have to get here one day to probably explain in detail.
35:32But it's an absolutely beautiful initiative where they're using football icons.
35:39You know big names to come and talk to the young people let them know the value of football.
35:45What football has done for them and what football can do to do for so many young people
35:50as a part of keeping them on a straight and narrow path.
35:54More than that they have clinics. It is a holistic approach to the developmental process.
36:01And I want to commend Assistant Commissioners Subaru and Eli for this absolutely excellent program.
36:09More than that Miss Matthews was a social worker.
36:13So it means that the social workers would like to work in concert with the police.
36:18They may have projects initiative and they would say listen I have a project.
36:23I would like to the not there's a national good.
36:26I would like to bring this with young people and the police is to embrace it.
36:30And that is one excellent partnership and program that we could look at to understand
36:36young people are naturally attractive to sports.
36:40Young people hang around on a football field.
36:43You throw a fight ball on that field. You transform the field.
36:48Eight young men line on a basketball court. You throw some basketball immediately you transform.
36:53So in the absence of sports you could appreciate the fact why the gangs are in a pseudo way flourishing
37:03because of the absence of sports.
37:05And I think that this initiative reclaiming our communities from crime as sport as an important vehicle is an excellent one.
37:13And I really want to commend Miss Matthews.
37:16And she will take a bow on all those who are doing excellent work.
37:20I trust that we'll have more time to really explore.
37:23When is, if you could give us in terms of some dates and areas that perhaps that it is going to be taking place.
37:30Is it in June, July, August?
37:33Well actually it is almost a year now that the program has been initiated.
37:39So therefore they look at the availability of the young people and by extension the availability of the facilitators.
37:46Probably at the next time I will try to acquire when next, what venue, so that we will be more appraised in terms of what's going on.
37:55So it's more or less ongoing I guess.
37:57Yes, it's ongoing. It's not like a pilot project for six months and that's it.
38:01I think as a social worker she understands the needs of a short term, medium term and long term.
38:07And even as they use football, you're using football to talk about public speaking, how to sit or to stand, you know how to carry yourself.
38:17You know the camera come and identify how do you articulate.
38:21So it is all holistic, basic maths, basic English, preparing them for academic.
38:27In Trinidad we have a program called Join a Club, Not a Gang.
38:30In Tobago it's Join a Group, Not a Gang.
38:34So even though the name is different, the objective is the same.
38:38Same concept, yeah.
38:39So I just want to commend Mr. Subero and the senior sup along with Ms. Matthews.
38:44And for all the players and all the football icons, that's important, who have made themselves available to come and speak.
38:53And that's what we need to do.
38:54I know that Dwight York, I mean they say he's a mega footballer, he's now the coach.
38:59He's also from Tobago.
39:00So I trust Ms. Matthews will be tapping on his resources to get the national team in Tobago to speak and to talk with young people.
39:08And I think that we can duplicate some of these excellent initiatives and run with it, you know.
39:15And for what it's worth, we need to really thank social workers and persons who are in a different field, who quietly is working with the police service and doing excellent projects.
39:28So congratulations to Tobago and all you clubs and young people who are benefiting from this excellent initiative.
39:35All right.
39:36We have another call on the line.
39:38Caller, good evening.
39:39Hi, good afternoon.
39:41Good evening, sir.
39:42Just want to be devil's advocate here for a minute.
39:45I know sometimes during carnival time, you might get stuck in a band.
39:53You know, you're driving through and you get stuck in a band and a crowd of people surround your car.
39:58And they shake up your car and they paint your car.
40:01Could it be that the driver felt threatened in a place like that and therefore felt that that was the only way out?
40:10I've seen another incident where a fellow driving a Land Rover got surrounded by bike men.
40:18And he again felt threatened.
40:21And I think he ran over the bike men.
40:23But he got beat up after because he got stuck in traffic.
40:27And they found him.
40:28But you know, just being devil's advocate here.
40:31And that guy who drove through the crowd felt threatened by surrounding.
40:36Because if you notice, there were people surrounding him before he drove off.
40:40So that's my question.
40:41I have no fear.
40:42Thanks.
40:43All right, caller.
40:44Thanks a lot for those comments.
40:45We're going to respond after this short break.
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43:43I'm your host, Mark Bassan.
43:44Joined today by Corporal Derek Shabady of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
43:49As well as the St. James Police Youth Club.
43:53And, you know, we were talking, Akola had spoken about licensed firearms.
43:58And the difficulty, you know, in trying to get one since 2017.
44:03And that has been a rather sore point for many persons who have, in the past,
44:09applied for, legitimately that is, for licensed firearms.
44:12Because they are business owners or property owners, as the case may be.
44:16And, you know, the gentleman alluded to the fact that he wanted to do everything
44:20legitimately and not take any shortcuts.
44:23Yes.
44:24And it needs to be applauded.
44:25Right?
44:26Because anything other than that will be unlawful.
44:28And it will speak to underhand passing.
44:32And when investigations start to take place,
44:35you really don't want your name being called in any kind of unfortunate arrangement.
44:42Because the objective of the firearm is to protect yourself.
44:46And it's not just for the form.
44:48It's a psychological evaluation.
44:51You know, there's a lot of things that will go into place.
44:53You'll have to come and check on your home, the structure of your home.
44:56You know, it's not just, okay, there's a businessman.
44:59And, unfortunately, you are on one or two unfortunate experiences.
45:04There are a lot of components and ingredients that will go into ensuring that
45:09when I give you this firearm, that the police has dot the I and cross the T.
45:14Because they'll be held accountable for saying that,
45:17we had knowledge that this person had so many cases before.
45:20This person had a domestic matter.
45:23This person has a firearm.
45:27You follow?
45:28So the law has a duty to ensure.
45:31In terms of the length and the time,
45:33I think it is always good for them to have an audience with the commissioner.
45:37Because the commissioner is the ultimate person that would have signed on or signed off
45:42and would have give or undertaken why it's taking so long.
45:47So it's always good for them to make an arrangement,
45:50to meet with the commissioner, have all the copies ready,
45:52and have an audience with the commissioner to facilitate what is happening
45:57and the progress of the request.
45:59You may very well find that there's an inquiry going on, unknown to them.
46:04You follow?
46:05So there are a lot of factors that would have contributed to
46:09when persons are asking to be a holder of a firearm.
46:14I want to warn members of the public, a firearm is not easy.
46:17It's a very uncomfortable thing.
46:19Sometimes you're dreaming that you left your firearm somewhere.
46:24And when you wake up, you're, thank God.
46:26I'm telling you, it's on you, and therefore your behavior has changed.
46:32You keep checking, you keep double checking.
46:35You want to make sure that you circumspect it.
46:38It carries a different type of persona.
46:41It is not easy to find a firearm.
46:44A lot of people see it and it's all flash.
46:47But you misplace your firearm, you could lose your work, suspension, inquiry.
46:52So people need to understand both the pro and the con,
46:55especially now if somebody knows you have a firearm on you,
46:58they will target you differently.
47:00They will say, hey, I'm going to have you hold it.
47:03You're acting on him.
47:05And therefore the approach will be different
47:07because they're not aware that you're holding a firearm.
47:10So one has to appreciate the fact that a culture of a firearm
47:15means a greater responsibility as well.
47:17Now, on the flip side to that, of course,
47:20we have where licensed firearm dealers,
47:24they get involved in an incident or rather they are attacked in some way.
47:30And then in so doing, they defend themselves by perhaps shooting a bandit
47:36or whatever it might be to ward them off as the case may be.
47:40And then a lot of people have called in the show in the past
47:44and indicated that it's a process to get back their firearm
47:50when, of course, it's subject to an investigation
47:52once you discharge your firearm in a particular incident.
47:56And why is it taking so long to get back in legitimate cases
48:02where you're accosted by people and you are forced to defend yourself?
48:07I know people are saying they've taken someone called
48:11and said it's more than a year and a half now.
48:13They're still waiting for their firearm back.
48:16Well, it all depends on the investigators.
48:19So take, for instance, if the incident took place in, let's say, Central Division
48:24and your firearm has been seized pending inquiry
48:27and you feel, well, what's going on here?
48:29You again have a right to meet with the senior superintendent.
48:34You ask to have an audience with him, express some concerns,
48:38and probably the officer will then call the investigating officer and say,
48:41listen, I have Mr. Moore here in my presence.
48:44He's inquiring about this firearm, what's going on?
48:47And then you'll be able to get some kind of background
48:50in terms of whether it's study or whether ongoing inquiries again.
48:54And it is more important that when the firearm is returned,
49:01the firearm returned with a care that all inquiries has been conducted.
49:08This firearm was not used in any other offenses,
49:11and it has been cleared of everything, and the firearm is returned.
49:15So that is not just a case of one incident,
49:18but it's a case of seeing if this firearm was used in any other offenses.
49:23And again, you have to look at the officers who are conducting the inquiry
49:27and what it is else they're looking for before the official firearm is handed over.
49:33And some often argue as well that it's not a whole lot of incidents like this.
49:38So let's say, for instance, you have four matters of this nature in a six-month period.
49:44Why does it take so long for you to get back your firearm if there are very few matters?
49:51You understand what I mean?
49:53So that is also that argument put forward by persons where you have very few incidents
49:59where they discharge your firearm in an incident where they would have shot a bandit
50:04or somebody trying to intrude on their property or on their business.
50:10Those questions are better asked for the investigating officers and the divisional head.
50:16And if you feel that you're not satisfied, you can take it further to the DCP and the Commissioner of Police.
50:22You're not satisfied with the response, and therefore you take it up to the next letter.
50:26But immediately, it is incumbent on you to meet with the officer who is conducting the inquiry and who sees it,
50:33and by extension, the divisional head, who will maybe provide you with more information.
50:38Because at the end of the day, if you're not satisfied and you feel that,
50:43listen, this thing, something is amiss with this particular matter,
50:46it's always good for you to get legal advice as well.
50:49And probably, after getting legal advice, then you take it further.
50:53Because a firearm, there's much more sometimes than a mortar and a pestle with firearms.
50:59You follow?
51:00Yeah, I do, I do.
51:01And I hope that all those persons who are licensed firearm holders, of course,
51:06caught in a quandary, of course, because there was a particular incident
51:09and you're still not being able to get your firearm back,
51:12hopefully, you know, making the right calls or talking to the persons to get that,
51:17to find out where the investigation is at.
51:19Yes.
51:20Because it's a process, of course.
51:21I know sometimes it might take longer than usual, but we all have to exercise some kind of patience.
51:26Yes, definitely.
51:27All right, we're going to take a short break, and we'll be back.
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53:26I'm your host, Marc Bessin, joined today by Corporal Derek Shabady of the St. James Police Youth Club.
53:32And, Kola, we just want to apologize.
53:34I know you had called and you had spoken about vehicles in crowds
53:38during juve and other carnival activities,
53:41and when persons feel threatened, you also spoke about another incident.
53:45So, Corporal Shabady.
53:47Well, as a trainboat begonian,
53:52understanding carnival, it is an unfortunate experience that we face from time to time.
53:58Some people are more intelligent than others
54:00and they would want to use a different route.
54:05And some people will understand that this is an unfortunate experience we'll have to undergo.
54:11People are having a ball, they're under the influence of alcohol,
54:14you're shaking your car, you're sitting in police vehicles
54:17where they throw all different kind of paint and all that,
54:21and that is a time when you cannot use.
54:23We would never, it would be reckless of me
54:28to say otherwise, that you could use your vehicle to excel your gas
54:34and who feel it, that's it, because it's carnival time
54:39and it's an understanding that people are enjoying themselves
54:42and some people, unfortunately, will see a car, a trampoline car,
54:45women, you see what women do with vehicles, they're on top of the vehicle,
54:49you know, and they're carrying on.
54:51We officers, from time to time, we're on patrol and a woman will sort of whine on us.
54:55You know, it is carnival and therefore these things sometimes are expected
54:58so that I would want to appeal to persons that let good sense prevail.
55:04You know, don't use your car, it is not wise, it is not prudent
55:08and therefore you will just be answering questions at the end of it
55:12and you don't want that.
55:13You know, you can always go and fix back your car, you can always go as a vehicle,
55:17but to go and damage somebody's vehicle, you will have some questions to answer.
55:21Yes, certainly.
55:22And just before we wrap up everybody, about two and a half minutes before we go,
55:27I know you wanted to make some further comments on the community.
55:30Oh yes, oh yes.
55:31Information.
55:32This is the gospel of the police service, community policing.
55:37These officers work very hard, they go beyond the call of duty.
55:40You had Sergeant Small here.
55:42You know, we have officers who are really doing excellent work
55:45and we want to commend them, those who are behind the scenes and on the scene.
55:50And for 33 years I've been in the vineyard and I've met some absolutely wonderful people.
55:54In fact, I met you as a result of community policing.
55:58And I want to thank all the stakeholders who have made this 30% drop.
56:03I don't want the police to be stroking their ego,
56:06but the persons who have done justice and work in concert.
56:10We want to thank you very much for making the world a better place.
56:13We want to move from 30% to 60% at the end of 2025.
56:17Well, I mean, certainly the Commissioner has been very vocal in his engagement
56:23as it speaks to community policing, you know, and getting officers there.
56:28Another issue is, of course, visibility.
56:31Oh yes.
56:32And that is extremely important when you talk about offering that kind of sense of safety and security.
56:38That's right.
56:39And if we are to address the question of crime, it must be addressed at the root level.
56:45And community policing is at the ground.
56:47They understand what's going on at the community level.
56:50And therefore, it is all part of a proactive approach.
56:53And we want to thank the Commissioner of Police and the executive
56:56who continue to endorse this philosophy of community policing.
56:59We trust that all officers will buy in.
57:01I have traditional policemen who would lock you up in two minutes.
57:05We'll say, Shabari, our young fellow, I don't want to charge him.
57:09There's something more going on.
57:10Could you get him involved in the policing club?
57:12So even the traditional police, the CID and the homicide,
57:17will be faster as it has understood and understood the value of community policing and policing clubs.
57:23And we trust that the right faces and the right people,
57:27and it's one of the elite units in the police service.
57:31And I just want to thank God, and I trust that we move on from strength to strength.
57:36Yes, certainly.
57:38Community policing is a very integral part of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service,
57:43and we look forward to their future engagement with communities across Trinidad and Tobago.
57:50All right, repeat tonight at 11 theatre.
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