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03:05Welcome to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host, Marcus, and of course, it's Friday, the last day of the week, and everybody's priming up, of course.
03:18And certainly, we had a really, really busy week where there was a lot of things happening.
03:25Quite sadly, we had that incident involving a young Jada Nalchian who died by suicide, and there was a firestorm, of course, of controversy surrounding that bullying issue.
03:39And we had so many conversations about that.
03:42As well as, in the same breath, we also had the unfortunate death of Tara Ramseroop and her daughter, one-year-old daughter, Jada, who was apparently murdered in Barapaw a couple days ago by a male relative.
04:00And certainly, we also have, in making news today, two police officers appearing in court for the murder of businessman Sashel Kunjibihari.
04:13If you recall, he was kidnapped on October 25th in Chaguanas by two police officers in a marked police vehicle.
04:23And I do believe the TTPS had sent out a release remarking about that initially, about the use of the police vehicle in this alleged crime.
04:33And following up on that, of course, the Commissioner of Police did speak about the…
04:39She made a statement today literally talking about the fact that they're deeply distressed and disappointed following the events that led to the arrest and formal charges brought against two officers of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
04:52So there the Commissioner is also chiming in and is saying that officers are here to protect and serve and they will not tolerate any type of indiscipline or any kind of criminal activity or aiding and abetting anybody in criminal activities.
05:07And of course, there was also another release today that might bring some kind of joy for one of our callers who called on Wednesday from Faizabad who spoke about the fact that she had called in a crime that was being committed at her home at least on three occasions and Faizabad police said that they did not have any vehicles.
05:26The Commissioner in a press release today indicated that the TTPS secured 93 new vehicles and another 166 is to be procured in total and then the other 73 should be ready by December.
05:43Of course, with all this happening, we have with us ASP Ishmael, acting ASP Ishmael Pitt from the North Northern Division. Welcome sir. I know it's a pretty busy day today and we also want to…
05:59One of the stories that is happening right now as we speak involves unfortunately a 12-year-old boy who was abducted by a male after he allegedly attacked the mother in Dibbe Road in St. James early this morning and apparently the soldiers and police are actually in the hills of Dibbe in the forested area been searching for this child and we are hoping for a safe return of this child
06:28and of course the apprehension of this suspect and if you do, there's a couple of… that area there, that forested area you're looking at, there's where apparently the suspect took the young boy into the forest early this morning after allegedly attacking his mother and stabbing her.
06:47He took her to that area and he left her there and he went back to the house where it is alleged that he abducted the young boy, 12 years of age.
07:17We would be able to reach some levels of success. We trust that that child will be returned to some level of safety and again, anyone with information regarding the incident or probably the whereabouts of the child and the suspect, please 555-800-TIPS, the nearest police station.
07:37These incidents are increasingly unfortunate and for that reason, we will continue to ask persons, whatever information you have, if you see something, say something.
08:08She was not in a serious condition but she was able to speak about one of the other things that we're going to be talking about and of course, we have been talking about for the entire week which is domestic violence and abuse.
08:19And what I also learned was that this suspect in this apparent abduction, only three years ago was apparently the same person that abducted a 19-year-old girl from Londonville in Chagones area and took her to a forested area in Rio Claro and apparently, he was later apprehended and held with a firearm.
08:43So, I know that based on the conversations I had with my colleagues who have been talking to the family members that this man was in a relationship with this lady, her name is I think Anna Burke, just about six to eight months and her describing what this man had said to her in the past and what he was capable of, it's really bad.
09:07It's borderline domestic violence, talking about tie straps and threatening to stab her if she does certain things and so on and I mean, we have spoken about this for the week and we would hope that people would learn from it and mind you, I think we're going to listen to her a little bit later but she did say that she was trying to get out of the relationship but he didn't want that.
09:29And that is usually the case. We try our best to encourage victims to come forward. That in itself is not always an easy task. There are persons who would think that there's no resolve, there's no light at the end of the tunnel, there's no option and for that matter, they remain in the situation that they are in and largely, things naturally becomes worse.
09:54So we wonder things are nipped in the bud and that level of support is offered because we would continuously look at the persons in the situation in hindsight and we say, why didn't that person do X, Y, Z but then if it is that other persons were brought into the know, why it isn't that level of support wasn't provided so that you create that psychological safety in that person's mind that they can come forward and they can be offered some level of assistance.
10:25And that ties could be sometimes largely economical where someone believes that I'm dependent on this person to survive. Sometimes it's emotional so it goes and it varies from probably one stage to the next but the most important thing is that the person accepts that there's an issue and that the issue is likely to get worse and that level of support in order to get out of the situation.
10:48Right, most definitely and I do believe we have that audio clip. We would like to take a listen. Viewers, you all take a listen as well to this audio clip of the victim speaking earlier today.
11:19So before they came in the hospital, I gave the army men all the information. I said he's going to kill my son and I gave them my address, number 60 D.B. Road, Long Circular and they went.
11:31They ran one time and the next guy with an 80 band was coming down the road, who saw their tattoo from afar and came up and offered the army men a ride up to reach but his family, he reached before them.
11:52And since my son became a stepmother, she told me she lived downstairs. She said she saw him and saw him walking down the steps but she didn't, when she saw him she didn't like notice anything like often.
12:11You know, but I know he would have tell him, you know, something like, don't say a word because I could stab you up because that's how you're playing on with me. So I know it has to be something like that for him to get Prince to move with that obedience.
12:27I know that there was a second clip where she actually speaks about the abuse and the threats that this man is facing.
12:57And you can hear the trauma in her voice there, talking to TV6 cameraman Brandon Benoit earlier today on location there. And certainly this is a very serious thing because we have people like this walking around in society.
13:15I don't know if she was cognizant that this man had a very similar charge a couple years ago. I'm not stating about that. But certainly these are things that you really have to kind of like monitor about people when you know that they might be inclined to acting in a particular irrational manner.
13:33Yeah. Well, at times, persons might be able to see the flags and we ought not to ignore the flags. And, you know, we always have to say it's not about victim blaming, but it's about being aware and it's about taking the necessary action based on your level of awareness.
13:52If the flags are there, then we ought to take the necessary actions in order to address the issue. Because as I said before, things are likely to get worse. We all know about the honeymoon period, as we like to put it. But then as the relationship develops, persons become more and more comfortable.
14:12Then the habits, as we would say, are likely to manifest themselves. And with that, one might be in a position to observe what is taking place and take evasive action if you can at that point in time in order to preserve your own safety, bring other persons in you know.
14:34As an organization, we have offered different levels of support. And, you know, we would want to extend that information to members of the public so that it's not a case that you're alone. And if it is that even in your own vicinity, persons are not readily available for that support, you can reach out to the DTPS.
14:57And there are persons who are within our domain who have the skill set and the training in order to treat your circumstance. In furtherance to that, if it's something that is beyond our skill set, we have partnered with persons who are more than likely to be able to address our situation.
15:13So it's a multi-pronged approach, but it's heavily dependent on the person who is within the situation. But we must take into consideration that those persons in these situations may not always be in the best position to take that step of getting out. And for that reason, the levels of support is necessary.
15:30Quite rightly so. And we will continue this discussion, but we have to take a break now and be back. Stay with us.
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18:14Welcome back to Beyond the Tape, I'm your host Mark Wilson and of course it's Friday and we're going to take you directly to our headlines.
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19:37So those are some of the things making our headlines during the last 24 hours and we want to take you back to that story involving the young 12 year old boy. Of course we are monitoring that and we are hopeful for a favourable outcome and that police will apprehend the suspect and get that boy back to his mother.
19:57We do have a photo of the victim that was involved, that was part of that attack earlier this morning. That was, she was taken out of her home apparently and she spoke with us earlier today. She said that she was taken out of her home and she was actually taken to an abandoned Ambassador Hotel along Long Circular Road there off D-Bay Road.
20:23And I don't know if we have that second clip we can actually play a little bit of where she speaks about the actual abuse and her wanting to get out of it. And I know we were having a discussion off camera about the ways and means of getting out of this type of relationship.
20:45Yeah, well, and it's easier said than done. Persons who are approaching court might be in a position to get protection orders, restraining orders. We know that there are instances where persons have defied that and when I'm saying persons, the respondents.
21:03In terms of the police response, there are times when the police response is adequate, it's appropriate, it's on point and then victims may end up going back into the situation for various reasons.
21:19But what usually is most effective is getting other persons on board to act as that support cast, as I said earlier, in terms of ensuring that…
21:40Sometimes so that it's easier said than done.
21:42Easier always and that's why I made sure and emphasized that it's easier said than done, Mark, because it's largely an emotional affair. We are talking about persons who shared special moments, there's this level of passion that is involved and you are at times asking someone to go against how they feel in their heart.
22:10Exactly.
22:11Even though looking in from the outside, it might appear as the obvious choice in terms of preserving your safety and security, there are persons who are willing to risk it to satisfy what their heart is telling them.
22:25That is where the other persons who are outside of the situation and able to look at things from an objective lens without the bias of emotion is ably supportive or in a position of support where they can get persons now to make the correct choices.
22:48So by no means, it's easy.
22:51A lot of persons, we love to cast blame and put blame here, put blame there. This is a delicate crime type. It's very, very delicate. It's sensitive because of all the reasons I mentioned before.
23:06Because of the type of relationship, the type of attachment, the fact that sometimes persons believe that there is no option, persons believe that this is their all. There is no one else out there in this entire world that matters to me.
23:20So there is so much at play in someone's mind, psychologically speaking, that listening to someone on the outside who might be rational, logical, well-intended, sometimes it goes over their head.
23:35And we need to be understanding of that, and as I said before, apply the multi-prong approach.
23:41But there are layers of support even outside of the community as I stated before. There are layers of support, but it's just about getting the victims to reach out to that level of support.
23:51So you are correct, spot on, it's not an easy road at all in terms of picking up the pieces and moving on.
23:59And in addition to that, the other person in the situation, in some instances, they don't make it easy either.
24:07So one person might leave from one point and they go to the other point, and then this person continues to follow, they continue to call, they continue to defy the protection order, they continue to defy law enforcement.
24:17And it becomes now a dangerous situation because this person is becoming more and more desperate.
24:23So we ought to look at it from the varying lens that it's projecting from in order to make the best decisions to preserve the levels of safety and security for the victims involved.
24:35So we are hopeful that those that need assistance will reach out to the relevant authorities and take the advice of ASP Pitt.
24:42But we do have a caller on the line. Caller, good afternoon.
24:46Good afternoon, Mark. Good afternoon.
24:49Afternoon, sir.
24:51I have tried to call, but coincidentally fell back on the program again.
24:58My question is, one of the follow-ups I have suggested in trying to lessen the disparity with how you treat a normal person having problems as opposed to somebody living in Goodwood Park,
25:15the president's family, the prime minister's family, a big minister's family, being involved in some incident.
25:24That's number one.
25:26And number two, what I've seen, it's comforting that those police officers, I know it's still an allegation, but it's comforting to the public that there seems to be some evening out that they haven't gotten bail.
25:43So that's very, very interesting.
25:46And I hope they keep on, the police, keep on on that same lines.
25:51So those two are my comments.
25:56I'm looking for a follow-up, Officer Pitt, on the disparity, how you treat a coroner with respect to, and it's not just a conception alone, as opposed to the bigwigs.
26:09Because instead of, you promised that you would get back and have a meeting, come to another.
26:15That's what you did.
26:17Yeah.
26:19And thanks for your comment again, caller.
26:22And forgive me, I thought I had addressed it on the last occasion, but out of an abundance of caution, I will venture there again.
26:31I mentioned the fact that the media, based on who's involved, they would have a keen interest.
26:41So you have someone with a particular status in society, media gets involved, what is happening?
26:46It might be a success story from a policing perspective, and it's immediately ventilated.
26:52So the public is there, and something happens, and the perception is only because it was XYZ that this took place.
26:59I also said that in most countries in the world, if not all, you would see a similar response, where sometimes based on the position that a person holds, it is automatic that a type of response is expected.
27:17Bringing that now to the common man on the street, there are so many success stories, Mark, that goes without any level of attention.
27:28In fact, within our organization, we may often say that the good news of the police doesn't often sell.
27:36It's a case of persons may be more attracted to sometimes police being deviant, and how we treat with that, how we respond to that as a society.
27:43So there are so many success stories on either ends of the spectrum.
27:48But because this one might become so ventilated, the average man is looking at it and saying, well, it's because XYZ that the police responded in a particular way.
27:59When probably just lower down the street from by him, someone may have gotten their house broken into, and the police was able to do the same type of work and get the same levels of success.
28:08But who knows about it?
28:09In everything, there must be some kind of balance.
28:12Of course.
28:13Even in the media, we have to be fair and objective in our reporting.
28:17Of course.
28:18It's interesting you brought that point about status and how police treat things, and also the media.
28:25Because somebody was bringing up that in the newsroom in reference to this particular situation in D.B., where the young boy was abducted and so on.
28:34And just with how the media was treating him being a little bit flippant at times in response of going there and trying to get the story.
28:42And I can understand that.
28:44But as you said, quite rightly, there has to be a balance in the reportage of not just bad stories, but good stories as well.
28:54Because as I said, as you would have said in a matter of speaking, people are more interested in bad police stories.
29:03That's our perception.
29:06What I'm sharing with you there is a police perception.
29:11This is how we feel as an organization.
29:14Because there's so much good work that is being done on a daily basis.
29:19Sometimes we blame ourselves for not being able to have it ventilated.
29:24But we are an organization that our resources only span so far.
29:29And we would depend on our brothers and sisters in the media to get the information out.
29:35So again, programs like this is very important so that persons are able to hear about the good work.
29:42And they are also free to lend their comments, be it negative or positive.
29:48Because the positive comments would encourage us, and the negative comments would tell us where we are going wrong.
29:53And we are very, very mature enough to entertain that level of feedback.
29:56And take the necessary action in order to address our levels of shortcomings.
30:01Thanks a lot for that input.
30:03We'll obviously continue more about this and other things.
30:06But we now have to take a break, and we'll be back.
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38:24familiar with that type of terrain. Again, we also thank the members of the
38:28Defense Force who, they are always there, they are always our level of support in
38:33order to treat situations like this. So, caller, yes, I concur with your sentiments
38:37in that they are indeed an invaluable type of service that, you know, assist our
38:43service in relation to giving the community what they deserve. Yeah, and I
38:49have to agree with you there, Oli, and I get, since you can see from that call,
38:53of course, other parents out there who are really concerned about this young boy
38:58in the forest, it's getting dark, with a suspect that police, soldiers, and
39:05others are looking for. And just as we go to the break, I just want to encourage
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40:44to ensure that everyone is able to live
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42:08Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
42:12Of course, it's Friday, and we are talking with acting ASP Ishmael Pitt from the North Northern Division.
42:20And we want to go right into a caller who's been calling.
42:24Caller, good afternoon.
42:25Hi, good afternoon, sir.
42:27Good afternoon, sir.
42:28Afternoon.
42:29Afternoon, sir.
42:30Afternoon, Superintendent.
42:31I hope you make a correction on police one day.
42:36You have the ability and the quality.
42:38Thank you, sir.
42:40A couple of years ago, a former Minister of National Spirituality made a comment.
42:48So, getting in touch, I must be discreet.
42:51Now, at the point in time he made the statement,
42:55I totally disagree with him.
42:57He's telling a lot of people in Trinidad and Tobago.
43:00Now, he had a vision.
43:04And I think we need to get a couple of armored vehicles in Trinidad and Tobago.
43:14To traverse certain areas.
43:19And another thing, we have to get away from the local, I mean, the normal vehicles that we order in.
43:28Like the Masi and whoever.
43:31We need to get some serious vehicles.
43:33Because, I mean, there will be some trouble.
43:38And we don't expect police officers to be dutiful to us.
43:41We cannot change.
43:43So, we need to step up our game.
43:45Like, get some more serious vehicles.
43:48And I think this vehicle management system,
43:52we need to implement something like that.
43:55And if police officers would have more,
43:57I would recommend a program.
44:00And I think if you see us, we need to get into that seriously.
44:04Because I don't like them buying vehicles,
44:06and then after three years, they have to buy more vehicles.
44:09And it's going on years and years and years.
44:11But we need to change the thinking.
44:15Yeah.
44:17Excellent point.
44:21And he's correct.
44:22Maybe, just maybe,
44:24the type of vehicles are not necessarily designed
44:27for the type of impact that policing would offer.
44:32At times, a police vehicle will have to endure
44:35a particular type of maneuver
44:37that, again, the vehicle may not have been designed for.
44:41And to his other point, in terms of the armored vehicle,
44:44you know, we always have to think futuristic.
44:47And we just cannot look at our own localized situation.
44:51And in keeping with that consideration
44:54for the well-being and the welfare of our officers,
44:56you know, we would always welcome
44:58any type of resource that is sufficient enough
45:01to protect our officers when they go out there
45:04in terms of executing our role and function as police officers.
45:08Yeah, most definitely.
45:10And as I said, you know, it depends on the situation.
45:13Because if you have a mass riot of 200, 300 people
45:18armed with various objects,
45:22and police officers have to go into that kind of environment
45:26or into that atmosphere,
45:29you really need to have, you know,
45:31some kind of protection outside of just the shields.
45:34I know abroad, you know, you have these water cannons
45:37and you displace crowds and so on quite effectively
45:40without harming people,
45:42unless you're really close to the hose and so on.
45:44So those are things that, obviously, you know,
45:47the higher-ups will obviously have to contemplate
45:50going forward in terms of policing.
45:53But I just want to go back to the...
45:56Oh, actually, we have a caller.
45:59Caller, good afternoon.
46:01Hi, good afternoon, Mr...
46:03Afternoon, ma'am.
46:05Good afternoon.
46:07Afternoon, ma'am.
46:09How are you all doing today?
46:11My comment today is,
46:13my uncle sells coconuts around this environment.
46:19As he was about to close up last week,
46:22he was robbed of $2,800.
46:25So he didn't fight it for them.
46:28They had a gun. They stuck him up with a gun.
46:31However, my uncle decided
46:34to call the Belmont Police Station
46:37after it was true.
46:40And do you know what the response of the Belmont Police Station was?
46:44Why did you run up the road to the station?
46:48Aren't we here to protect?
46:50I'm sure I'm here to protect and serve.
46:53I will listen often for your response.
46:57Yeah, yeah.
46:59Well, firstly, caller,
47:02on behalf of the Chantabega Police Service,
47:04we would like to apologize.
47:06If what you are saying there is indeed correct,
47:08we'd like to apologize for the conduct of that officer.
47:12And we extend that that apology
47:15is passed on to your brother.
47:17You know, we have a policy,
47:19a customer service policy,
47:21where officers are guided
47:24regarding how we treat with persons,
47:26how we respond to persons.
47:28Largely, persons call the police station
47:30because they are in need of help.
47:32And oftentimes, they may be in a position of distress.
47:36And we need to be that voice of reason
47:38and not be that voice of treason.
47:40So it is critical, it is important
47:43that our officers respond in a particular way.
47:46And I can tell you, ma'am, that
47:48we will have a conversation with the administration
47:51at the Belmont Police Station.
47:53So, you know, if you can identify who the officer is,
47:56and, you know, apply the necessary intervention
48:00in order to treat the situation.
48:02But thanks for the feedback.
48:03And the irony is that
48:05my father taught at COSTAT for a couple of years.
48:08And one of the programs that he would be teaching
48:10is communication and skills.
48:12And he said there were a lot of police officers
48:14in those programs.
48:16Knowing how to speak and communicate with people.
48:19And that is part of customer service.
48:21And every aspect of that job,
48:24because you interact with people on a daily basis.
48:27Right?
48:28So it's extremely important, you know,
48:30how to speak to people.
48:32Emotional intelligence is also paramount
48:35when you're dealing with certain situations
48:37and being able to put yourself
48:39in the shoes of someone
48:41when they're a victim of a crime, et cetera.
48:44Or even when they call you on the telephone
48:46and you are at the station.
48:48And I guess I think that customer service
48:51has to be done across the board,
48:53not just in the stations,
48:54but when you meet them in person, et cetera, et cetera.
48:57And I think that the public, a little bit, you know,
49:00wary of the police not doing what they're supposed to be doing
49:04or not speaking to people
49:05how they're supposed to be speaking.
49:07And, of course, there's a flip side to that
49:09where we find that these people sometimes,
49:11how they speak to police officers,
49:12they're very confrontational.
49:14And I don't think that's the right way either
49:17to deal with situations,
49:19whether it be the citizen or the police officer.
49:22Yeah, absolutely.
49:23You are spot on.
49:24We have a responsibility,
49:26and we have a responsibility in order to greet
49:28and treat our customers in a particular way.
49:31In converse, there are times when officers
49:34may have to utilize a different approach,
49:37something that may be more forceful.
49:39But even in applying a different approach, you know,
49:43there are levels of professionalism
49:45that ought to be applied,
49:47that even the person in the situation
49:49who might be the defaulter
49:50accepts and respects the approach of the police officer.
49:54Yeah, but it's a work in progress.
49:57We know that we are not where we used to be,
50:00but we are not where we want to be
50:02at this particular point in time.
50:04However, there's a trajectory.
50:07There's a policy, as I said,
50:09and we continue to train our officers
50:11in order that we are able to meet that standard
50:14that the public at large would want us to live up to.
50:18Most definitely.
50:19And we are hopeful, actually,
50:21that pretty soon the commissioner of police
50:24will find the time to come and greet us
50:26with her presence here
50:27and speak about that customer service
50:30and what she wants to see for police officers
50:33and how they interact with the public.
50:35So the invitation is always open, Commissioner,
50:37for you to come onto this program
50:39and have a chat with us.
50:41And on that note, we'll take a break,
50:43and we'll be back.
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53:46A message from the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
53:59Welcome back to Beyond the Tip.
54:00Of course, we are in the home stretch here.
54:02And we are joined by ASP Ishmael Pitt from the Northern Division.
54:07Continuing our discussion, of course,
54:09and the police speakers and so on.
54:12And, of course, you're hopeful that the complement
54:18that the TTPS needs will be fulfilled,
54:22hopefully within the next year, year and a half,
54:25so that it can bring the police service at maximum capacity
54:29to serve the public according to your commission.
54:32Of course, of course.
54:34And the demands for policing continue to increase.
54:39We are being asked to perform tasks
54:41that traditionally we were not being asked to perform.
54:45And, you know, we are up to the challenge.
54:48But in order that we succeed, we will need the resources.
54:53So we are quite certain that with this complement of vehicles
54:57that we'll be able to meet the demands of policing
55:01and, you know, treat with the communities in a way that is expected.
55:06You know, our presence will be intensified.
55:09It will also create the opportunity for us as well
55:12to treat with issues that at this point in time
55:16may appear to be increasingly challenging.
55:18And, obviously, another issue is treating with the vehicles with care.
55:24Because there are some police officers
55:26that treat the vehicles like their own sometimes
55:30in terms of how they drive it, where they go with it, et cetera.
55:34And I remember speaking to a superintendent last week,
55:37and he spoke about, you know,
55:39there were certain improprieties at the transport division
55:43involving vehicles and how they were being used by police officers,
55:47not just necessarily in crimes, but in terms of breaches.
55:52You know, there's GPS on these vehicles,
55:54and police officers, they're going to do their own personal business and so on.
55:59So that's something very serious and, obviously,
56:01something that needs to also be addressed.
56:03That abuse of police vehicles.
56:05Of course. And, Mark, we accept that, you know,
56:08some of our officers at times, they may have gone contrary to policy.
56:13They may have gone contrary to best practice.
56:16They have gone contrary to departmental orders.
56:19And for that reason, they have been held to account.
56:21And, you know, it's a continuous type of monitoring process
56:26to ensure that our officers utilize the public's resources and assets
56:32for the purpose for which it was intended in the first place.
56:35Definitely.
56:36Yes, so that is something that we frown upon.
56:38And, you know, we urge all our supervisors to be very forthright,
56:42upfront, and robust in treating with the management of our resources,
56:47not only vehicles, but, you know, our resources, generally speaking.
56:52Exactly.
56:53And just as we wrap up with just about two minutes left,
56:57is there any parting message you would like to share with the public,
57:02especially in light of, you know, this domestic violence matter
57:05with these children and so on?
57:07And we have a young man missing right now.
57:10And, you know, it's very concerning for parents.
57:13It's a very concerning time for parents, children.
57:16And the Prime Minister did allude to it in Parliament yesterday
57:20when he spoke about this.
57:21It's not a nice thing to have to bury your own child.
57:23Yes, indeed.
57:24You know?
57:25Yeah.
57:26Well, the treating of domestic violence issues
57:33only from a policing lens is very, very challenging.
57:36And for that reason, we would welcome the community approach
57:39and all other stakeholders who can assist us
57:43regarding reaching out to victims or possible victims,
57:47potential victims, in a manner where they can understand
57:50that there are options, you know, there are avenues,
57:53there are areas that you can explore
57:56that can take you out of those situations.
57:58Usually it would take a high level of outreach
58:02and edifying, bringing persons to that understanding
58:07that there's life beyond the relationship that you are involved in,
58:10the situation that you are involved in.
58:12As I said before, it has been a challenge.
58:16It has been a challenge for a number of reasons.
58:18There are persons who may come to us
58:21and, again, tomorrow they may end up back in the same situation
58:25and it puts us in a tailspin where you may have responded in a particular way
58:30but now you are faced with a situation that if this person gets hurt
58:34they are going to say that the police did nothing about it.
58:37We definitely want to thank you for your time here today.
58:40And we hope that everybody who tuned in learned something today.
58:45It's the weekend. Of course, we wish you all a safe weekend.
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