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00:02:59Good afternoon, Trinidad and Tobago, and welcome to Beyond the Tape.
00:03:12My name is Whitney Husbands.
00:03:13Now, today we must congratulate members of the TTPS.
00:03:18And I am very proud to say, regardless of how prisons may feel or have
00:03:21mixed feelings, there are hard-working police officers out there.
00:03:25And to see that they're able to move up in rank, we have to also
00:03:28congratulate them.
00:03:29So, with that being said, the Trinidad and Tobago police service has
00:03:32promoted eight officers to the rank of assistant commissioner of police
00:03:36and six to the rank of senior superintendent of police.
00:03:40The new assistant commissioners of police are as follows.
00:03:44ACP Wayne Meister.
00:03:46ACP Kurt Simon.
00:03:48ACP Richard Smith.
00:03:50ACP Andy Tiwari.
00:03:53ACP Brian Sudeen.
00:03:55ACP Anand Ramisma.
00:04:00I hope I pronounced that properly.
00:04:02Ramisa, my correction, Ramisa.
00:04:05ACP Anthony Remy.
00:04:07And ACP Rishi Singh.
00:04:10And the newly appointed senior superintendent, our boy, the man we
00:04:15miss so much, the senior superintendent, Roger Alexander.
00:04:22Congratulations to you, sir.
00:04:24I know many of us here on the show, we're extremely proud, including
00:04:27myself, the entire team, and just continue representing the TTPS in
00:04:32many ways that people are not able to see.
00:04:34And also the senior supes as well for showing that you're there for
00:04:39the country and also for the service.
00:04:42And we congratulate you once again.
00:04:45All right?
00:04:46And just quickly for the other senior supes who received the promotion,
00:04:51senior superintendent Michael Jackman, senior superintendent Arlette
00:04:57Groom, senior superintendent Brian Ramphal, senior superintendent Andrew
00:05:04John, and senior superintendent Christopher Paponet.
00:05:10They were also confirmed to be now promoted to senior superintendent
00:05:15position.
00:05:16And once again, congratulations to you all.
00:05:19And I wish you nothing but success.
00:05:21And I hope that you will be able to provide a change and assist the
00:05:25TTPS in ways to make sure that you serve the country the best way you
00:05:29know how.
00:05:31So at this time today, we will be speaking about issues, domestic
00:05:36issues, child abuse issues.
00:05:39And with that, we have to get a representative or representatives from
00:05:42the Special Victims Unit and their role and function in different
00:05:46capacities in the Special Victims Unit.
00:05:49I'd like to welcome from the Child Protection Unit Sergeant James, who
00:05:53is here with us.
00:05:54Also for gender-based unit, we have Inspector Ramphal as well.
00:06:00And they will be talking to us more the role and function of the Special
00:06:04Victims Unit and the different units that I just mentioned that they
00:06:07represent and how they're able to protect our citizens.
00:06:11Gentlemen, good afternoon and welcome to you all.
00:06:14And I hope all is well with you.
00:06:16And let me know more.
00:06:19I don't know who will take this one, but if you could give me more
00:06:22insight exactly what is the Special Victims Unit about?
00:06:27The Special Victims Unit, first of all, I want to say thank you for having
00:06:30us here.
00:06:31The Special Victims Unit is designated to deal with victims of child
00:06:37abuse, Child Protection Unit as we are.
00:06:40And we are also the gender-based violence unit.
00:06:43Also at some locations, we do have the sexual offense unit.
00:06:46So with these units here, yes, we know they're under one umbrella.
00:06:51So they'll be specialized in different categories.
00:06:54So when persons may have committed a crime and how we all deal with it
00:06:58because it's different experts who will then be able to help individuals
00:07:02and not just a broad brush that is painted for each person who may be
00:07:07dealing with different situations, correct?
00:07:09Yes.
00:07:10So we have competent and capable officers at our department, which is
00:07:15able to assist with child protection.
00:07:17I know they also deal with the gender-based violence at that location.
00:07:20Okay.
00:07:21So I will continue with you, Inspector, with the gender-based violence.
00:07:24That is what specifically?
00:07:26Gender-based violence unit is relatively like domestic violence,
00:07:31domestic violence, which is physical abuse, emotional abuse, financial
00:07:35abuse, and sexual abuse.
00:07:37This can be done by a spouse onto another spouse.
00:07:40We also consider the children in the family also.
00:07:43So it is something that we look at because most of the time we hear about
00:07:49family disputes, and, you know, family disputes can end up going to
00:07:53serious offenses.
00:07:55So we are there to try to assist and see what we can assist in getting
00:07:59that lowered.
00:08:00What are some of the serious offenses that we usually see popping up in
00:08:05Trinidad and Tobago when it comes to that unit?
00:08:07Well, the most common offense that we have is threats because you always
00:08:10hear someone stoking each other or someone threatening that I will do
00:08:13something to you, right?
00:08:14And we consider that as very serious.
00:08:16Yeah.
00:08:17Right?
00:08:18Besides that, we have the assault by beating.
00:08:20Family fight, one of them pelt each other down, they fight, they beat
00:08:23each other, and then they come and make the reports.
00:08:25So those are the two things, really, that we get most of our reports about.
00:08:29Then there's the other offenses, like where they damage, they break down
00:08:34the house, they break down the window, they pelt and mash up this or
00:08:37something.
00:08:38So we have those offenses.
00:08:39Yeah.
00:08:40Now, to Sergeant James.
00:08:42Yes.
00:08:43Tell us a little bit more about your unit, which is the Child Protection
00:08:46Unit.
00:08:47I mean, it speaks for itself as a child, but tell me more.
00:08:49Okay.
00:08:50Good day, and thank you for having me.
00:08:52The Child Protection Unit came about in 2015 when they realized that
00:08:57offenses against children was rising, and the commissioner, in his wisdom,
00:09:01then thought it most appropriate to have a special group of officers, so
00:09:05trained and qualified to deal with this category of victims, survivors, hence
00:09:10the birth of the Child Protection Unit.
00:09:12We are placed in all nine divisions, so in each division there is a unit
00:09:18represented to deal with matters of such kind.
00:09:21However, we don't deal with all matters involving children.
00:09:24Some of the offenses that we are dealing with, serious offenses like sexual
00:09:29offenses of various kinds against children, and cruelty.
00:09:33The cruelty can range from either physical cruelty, emotional,
00:09:37psychological, et cetera.
00:09:39These are some of the more prevalent offenses against children that we at the
00:09:44Child Protection Unit are trained, qualified, and we deal with on a daily
00:09:48basis.
00:09:49What are some of the offenses that we see, again, well, popping up within your
00:09:53unit?
00:09:54As I said before, the most serious offenses we see are cruelty, and the
00:09:58cruelty can be by someone who has responsibility for the child.
00:10:03For example, parents in the home, they have responsibility for the child.
00:10:07Uncles, aunts, other relatives at the home, they may also have responsibility
00:10:11for the child.
00:10:12Guardians, persons appointed by the court, et cetera.
00:10:15Children in foster care system, the persons in authority, they have
00:10:19responsibility for the children.
00:10:21So by extension, they can also find themselves, if not doing it correct, on
00:10:25the other side of the law.
00:10:27So persons who have responsibility for the child, they are the ones whereby if
00:10:31the, uh, and go wrong, they would be charged under Section 4 of the Children
00:10:37Act, which is cruelty against the child.
00:10:40What are types of the cruelty that you usually see?
00:10:43The cruelty, the most prevalent we see are the physical cruelty.
00:10:46Okay.
00:10:47You know, back in the days, beating of the children was...
00:10:50Lex.
00:10:51Yes, lex.
00:10:52It was accepted.
00:10:54But the government then abolished that in schools, and as such, parents and by
00:11:00extension guardians and those with responsibility for the children cannot do
00:11:04that.
00:11:05Parents, however, are given a special category whereby they can administer
00:11:09corporal punishment, but it must be reasonable.
00:11:12What is considered reasonable?
00:11:13Ah.
00:11:14Now, that always comes up as a contentious point, and at times you have to
00:11:18seek legal advice after the investigation whereby those with that thinking can
00:11:24guide us on what they would deem reasonable.
00:11:28Pelting a child with a bottle because the child didn't do something right?
00:11:32That's abuse.
00:11:33That's abuse.
00:11:34Slapping a child?
00:11:36Where?
00:11:37Ah.
00:11:38That's where the investigation comes in, and that's where we know if it is
00:11:41reasonable or if it goes beyond the threshold for cruelty.
00:11:45So, if my child is being rude to me and decides to use obscene language, and I
00:11:53give her a slap in the Trinidadian term, abelas, that's abuse?
00:12:00Yes, that is abuse.
00:12:02But she cursed me out.
00:12:03Yes, she cursed you out, but you are the adult, and at all costs, you must never
00:12:07lose that control.
00:12:09The other reason means you can punish the child, give them time out, they must
00:12:12have something favorite that they like, you must know your child and you must know
00:12:16what they like and what you can withhold from them instead of being physical
00:12:20against them, because the effect is that when you do physical punishment to the
00:12:24child, they grow with that.
00:12:27When they go to school, they may in turn think of that against another child
00:12:31because they will now see themselves bigger, and this is where we have the
00:12:34extension of bullying coming in schools in the physical form, and sometimes the
00:12:39child may cover up everything, become introvert, and instead of reaching out to
00:12:45you as a parent, the child now starts withholding from you.
00:12:49So, what about those who will argue for argument's sake?
00:12:53I got legs growing up, and I turned out fine.
00:12:57Yes, but is it right today?
00:13:01I mean, we see what's happening now with our children, and most persons will say
00:13:05that because the corporate punishment is no longer in schools, and we're not able
00:13:09to discipline our children the way in which my parents were able to.
00:13:13Now, I have heard many stories of the different type of licks some of my
00:13:17friends used to receive, which to me is past borderline abuse.
00:13:21It is abuse, from hearing a person getting tied to a tree and getting whipped with
00:13:25a gover whip, it's like, what?
00:13:29So, yes, swizzle stick, spoon.
00:13:32You name it.
00:13:33You name it, whatever, they could find out, not even find what is wrong, they pick up
00:13:37and the little buddy blows.
00:13:39All that would be considered cruelty.
00:13:41Yeah, but now it seems like parents are losing the control.
00:13:46I would not say so, because you have to remember that there is a beginning in everything.
00:13:51Very rare would you find a child, from our investigation and our work, a child
00:13:57immediately waking up one morning and deciding to be rebellious.
00:14:01You, the parent, must know your child, and you must observe changing behavior of the
00:14:05child, and you must be on top of that.
00:14:08So you must observe your child.
00:14:10You may tell the child, clean your room, and the child may not answer you, but may
00:14:14be hesitant in doing it at the time.
00:14:17If you allow that to go, okay, next time you tell them clean their room, they will
00:14:21take a little bit longer, and this is how it grows from being obedient to being
00:14:26disobedient.
00:14:27You have to wait until the child totally does not obey you.
00:14:32To draw the line, no parents need to be on top.
00:14:35When you give your child chores or you give your child responsibilities, you need to
00:14:39be on top of it.
00:14:41So you tell them clean their room, you have a time in which you expect them to
00:14:43clean their room.
00:14:44Get home from school, you expect them to be at home at a particular time.
00:14:483.30 p.m., don't wait until they get home at 7, 9, or 10, and then you want to
00:14:55deal with it.
00:14:56When they get home, 4 p.m., you inquire why.
00:14:59Your curfew was until 3.30.
00:15:01Why you came in at 4?
00:15:03Have a conversation with them.
00:15:05Let them know what they are doing is wrong.
00:15:07Let them know the consequences that may occur if they continue, and this is where
00:15:12you now let the child know that they're going on the wrong path, and you, the
00:15:16parent, take responsibility back, and you guide the child.
00:15:20As the old saying goes, train up a child in the way he should grow, and when he's
00:15:24old, he will not depart from it.
00:15:26So if you, the parent, don't train the child as he ought to grow, the child will
00:15:31grow in the path that he believes he should grow.
00:15:34Yeah.
00:15:35We have to touch more on that when it comes to the unit that you're involved
00:15:39in, specifically in the Child Protection Unit.
00:15:41I want to come back to Inspector with the gender-based unit that you're involved
00:15:45in, and I know it speaks to more the adults.
00:15:48Yes.
00:15:49More than anything else.
00:15:50Yes.
00:15:51Domestic disputes are something that we are seeing more and more of, and lives
00:15:55are being taken.
00:15:56Yes.
00:15:57And I want to know the first stage of someone reaching out, seeking help through
00:16:01your unit, and where does it all start?
00:16:04So a person that is, I should say, being abused, right, their first thing is to
00:16:11come and talk to the police.
00:16:12Come and make a report to the police.
00:16:13They can make a report at any station, right?
00:16:16The report will be sent to us, and we will go and interview them.
00:16:20From there, we would find out what do they want to do, because there are times
00:16:24where somebody just wants the other party to be spoken to, right?
00:16:28We will do that.
00:16:29We will talk to them and have them there.
00:16:31But there are times where the abuse is so much that, you know, sometimes we have
00:16:38to step in and say, here, what?
00:16:39We have to go to the court with this.
00:16:41And it's their willingness to say, well, look, I'm going to give you all the
00:16:44evidence, give you everything that a statement of what happened, because you
00:16:48know that a statement must be, you must have something in court to show.
00:16:52And then from there, we would take it where we would do our inquiries, and if
00:16:56they need me to charge, we will charge the alleged offender.
00:16:59But where we know, especially where persons in abusive relationship, they may
00:17:04have gone to the police seeking help, the police officers intervene, and let's
00:17:10say a report really was done.
00:17:12And then they come back and retract and say, no, no, no, forget that.
00:17:16I don't want to press charges anymore.
00:17:18And where's the law to override that?
00:17:23Where there's evidence showing the person who was an abusive officer saw the
00:17:27person physically, you know, damaged, but didn't see where the blows actually
00:17:31came from, it's just from the victim then stating who it was and then coming
00:17:35back and saying, no, this is not the person who did it.
00:17:38I fell.
00:17:39I hit my head by mistake.
00:17:40I was sleepwalking.
00:17:41All these excuses.
00:17:42Well, that's the thing about it.
00:17:44That's why we ask them on the initial report.
00:17:47Once they come and make their report, we action it immediately, to which we
00:17:50ask them for that evidence.
00:17:52We record the evidence, and we put that in court.
00:17:55Now, if it is they come back a few days afterwards, which it does occur, it
00:17:59does occur.
00:18:00And then after they say that, well, I don't want anything.
00:18:03Our duty is to ensure that the law is abided.
00:18:08So if we have to charge, we would have no choice but to charge.
00:18:11Let her go in court and indicate certain things.
00:18:13And if that is what she wants to do, it would rather be dealt with by the
00:18:16court than we trying to say on our own that, no worry, we will handle it.
00:18:21We will not press charges.
00:18:23So it should go in court, and that person be charged, and let her go and say
00:18:27if she wants to continue the matter or not.
00:18:30Now, if she doesn't want to continue the matter from what you have witnessed
00:18:33and experienced, and they do go before the court, what are some of the
00:18:38judgments you usually see coming out from the magistrate or the master in
00:18:42regards of, just from my experience, past cases where they said, you know,
00:18:47I'm not pressing.
00:18:48I don't want to go through this anymore.
00:18:50We are fine.
00:18:51It was a mistake.
00:18:53Does the master or magistrate take, you know, even though what she or he is
00:18:58saying, but realizing that this is a serious case where this person can lose
00:19:02their life and ignore what the person is, because the evidence is showing
00:19:05otherwise.
00:19:06There are times where the magistrate would say, well, seeing that it would
00:19:09have not occurred, you'd say after that first incident that they would say,
00:19:13well, it is dismissed.
00:19:16However, you know, if there's an incident where you're always hearing that
00:19:20they come to court, the magistrate will deal with it in a way where they either
00:19:24decide that to send them for probation or report and all that, get counseling and
00:19:30all these things to see if it can be rectified or advise them sometime that,
00:19:33you know, they should, you know, separate the relationship.
00:19:37But the scary part is, you know, when persons do separate, we see where one
00:19:42person really can separate and a life is taken or they might take their life as
00:19:47well.
00:19:48And the thing about it is once it is there's a report where it is, you know,
00:19:51you're seeing that it continues.
00:19:54We advise them to go and seek a protection order.
00:19:56We give them all the information where they can apply online and they can get
00:20:01that interim protection order.
00:20:04They would get a date of hearing in which they can.
00:20:07Or if it is an extreme case where we can see that the person has injuries and all
00:20:12that and they're in dire need, we, the police officer, will assist in getting
00:20:16that protection order.
00:20:18There are times where it is we saw that person there and they said that they
00:20:20can't go anywhere.
00:20:22So we look to see if we can get a safe house for them to which we can put them
00:20:25there to prevent anything further.
00:20:27At this time, let's take a look at what made today's headlines.
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00:21:30Remember, you can give us a call at 623-1711, extension 1992, 1993, and 1997.
00:21:37We take a break, and when we come back, we continue more of the conversation
00:21:41with the Special Victims Unit.
00:21:43We'll be back.
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00:25:03extension 1992, 1993, and 1997.
00:25:07If you're not joining us, we have representing the Special Victims Unit,
00:25:11the Child Protection Unit, Sergeant James,
00:25:14and the Gender-Based Unit, or Sergeant James and Inspector Ramphal
00:25:18from the Gender-Based Unit.
00:25:20We have a call on the line, so let's take that call quickly
00:25:23before we dive in more in-depth.
00:25:25So let's take that call quickly before we dive in more into discussion.
00:25:28Hello, good afternoon.
00:25:30Good afternoon, my lady, and good afternoon to you too, officer.
00:25:34I just want to refresh the officer's mind about domestic violence.
00:25:38When I was a young fella in the 80s, a gentleman,
00:25:42liquor, I'm sorry if I'm using the word liquor,
00:25:45but he beat his common-law wife and damaged one eye,
00:25:48and she lost the eye.
00:25:50The case took 8 years before they reached the final verdict.
00:25:54And when they reached the verdict, she told the court
00:25:57that they're living together now, they have 3 children,
00:25:59he, mine, and she, and the 3 children.
00:26:02And they're happy now.
00:26:04The judge, I can't remember if it was that judge,
00:26:06one of the judge turned and said, well, they have 2 reports
00:26:09since that incident of domestic violence, and he ought to cancel it.
00:26:13And he turned and he reminded her, although she cancelled it,
00:26:16that she forgave him, he can't forgive her.
00:26:18And he turned and he asked the blaming court to take her hand,
00:26:21to hold her hand and block her eye, and then look.
00:26:24And he said, that is how it happened.
00:26:26He gave him a 7 years, although she forgave him.
00:26:29And he reminded the children, she not working,
00:26:32he reminded the children, the court now said that the government
00:26:35should have their minds, she and the children,
00:26:37and he gave 7 years in jail.
00:26:39Thank you for listening. It's a wonderful program, my lady.
00:26:41Thank you, sir.
00:26:43Yes, that is true.
00:26:45It actually happens like that, where some people come around
00:26:47and say that's all, they don't want anything.
00:26:49And the magistrates take that initiative and say,
00:26:52look, although he has done something wrong, let us deal with it.
00:26:55Although she has said no, that she does not want anything happens,
00:26:59and all that, not lock up, he did the right thing.
00:27:02The right thing, yes.
00:27:04So how are you all treating, though, I'm saying after that,
00:27:06the conviction, where the person is now saving the time,
00:27:10but they could really hold on to the anger
00:27:15from what has happened because of the report the victim made,
00:27:19and when, after 7 years, not saying in that case,
00:27:23they come out and come looking for you.
00:27:25Are you all going to make sure that they get counsel,
00:27:27and all these things I mentioned, even if they didn't get arrested?
00:27:31Well, that's the thing, the victim always goes,
00:27:33we always refer them to the Victim and Witness Support Unit,
00:27:36Family in Action, the community police officer,
00:27:39and they assist in giving them that counseling.
00:27:43In seeing that some persons, they go to the jail,
00:27:47and they spend their time,
00:27:50we don't know what their mentality would be like when they come out.
00:27:53So you see, that is why we have the information
00:27:57of when it is their return, where they would be, and all that,
00:28:00so that if the victim now comes and says, look, I see him,
00:28:03then we can tell her, well, go and get a protection order one time,
00:28:07because we don't know what it is he might want to do afterwards.
00:28:09But does that protection order really help?
00:28:11I'm thinking, just a suggestion,
00:28:13that if a man or woman is arrested, convicted,
00:28:16and now within the prison for domestic violence,
00:28:19the treatment of counseling should happen in that moment,
00:28:22because they are definitely there holding on, not all,
00:28:26because they might see that as a way of,
00:28:28yeah, I need to let this go on, move on,
00:28:30and change their lives because of that,
00:28:32and then others, they could really be just holding on
00:28:35and waiting for the right time when they're released,
00:28:37planning, premeditating what they're going to do and do it,
00:28:40with all the counseling in that period.
00:28:42And that's the thing, I know for us, for the victim,
00:28:46we would advise and we would start that from the first inception
00:28:49of where we receive the report.
00:28:51However, when a person is charged and they go to jail,
00:28:54we would not be able to see what goes on for him.
00:28:57However, if it is, like in the jail,
00:28:59he has a counselor that he can speak to, you know,
00:29:02and try to see what they can do to resolve that.
00:29:04But I can say for the victim that they are assisted.
00:29:08Well, I hope that the courts, at least,
00:29:10when they lay their judgment and the person is convicted,
00:29:13they place an order where they do receive counseling.
00:29:17It is a must, it is mandatory that they do during the period
00:29:21to make sure that they are sane and able to function
00:29:23when they leave the prison so they would not go out there
00:29:26waiting to harm the said victim.
00:29:29Let's head back to the Child Protection Unit.
00:29:33Now, I want to talk more on the Children's Act.
00:29:36Yes.
00:29:37And there are different categories in that Act,
00:29:40and I want to touch on as most of them as we can.
00:29:43Okay.
00:29:44So let's dive straight into it.
00:29:45All right.
00:29:46With the Children's Act, that Act came into being
00:29:48to deal with offenses against children, being the victim.
00:29:52We see victim, survivors.
00:29:55The offenses range from cruelty in Section 4
00:29:58all the way down to sexual offenses.
00:30:02It includes firearm offenses, pornography.
00:30:05Now, some of the more prevalent offenses
00:30:06I would have mentioned previously is the cruelty
00:30:09and the sexual offenses and pornography.
00:30:13Now, the victim will be a child.
00:30:18The perpetrator can be an adult.
00:30:20Or a child.
00:30:21Or a child.
00:30:22The law caters for if the perpetrator is a child.
00:30:26If it is, and I will go there in a bit,
00:30:30but let's stick with the adults who are the perpetrators.
00:30:33Now, sometimes the public think that when they hear
00:30:37a child was sexually abused, we think a stranger,
00:30:41is the first thing that comes to our mind.
00:30:44Sometimes it's far.
00:30:46Our inquiries, our investigations have shown
00:30:48that the perpetrators are those who are supposed to have
00:30:51that duty of care and responsibility to the child.
00:30:54Or those who are given that level of trust
00:30:58to take care of the child.
00:31:00They are the ones who betray that trust of the child.
00:31:02They are the ones who now turn around
00:31:04and make that child a victim
00:31:06and do these heinous crimes against the children.
00:31:09Offenses like sexual penetration.
00:31:12That means the insertion of a part
00:31:16into the bodily orifice of the victim.
00:31:20That includes two ways.
00:31:22Either the adult does the insertion into the child
00:31:27or cause the child to do the insertion into the adult.
00:31:31What about foreign objects used?
00:31:33It also caters for that.
00:31:35Inanimate objects.
00:31:37It covers that also.
00:31:39So the section is wide.
00:31:41That covers all of that.
00:31:43So sexual penetration is not only penetration by mouth.
00:31:48It can be by mouth, ear, anus, vagina.
00:31:52And it can be either the victim, the child,
00:31:55doing the penetration,
00:31:57or the adult doing the penetration on the victim.
00:32:00There are other offenses like sexual touching,
00:32:02which includes the touching of the bodily part of the child.
00:32:06As we say, bad touch.
00:32:08When you speak to your children.
00:32:10So you tell them what part of the body they can be touched.
00:32:13That is good touch.
00:32:14And you explain to them what part of the body
00:32:16should not be touched, considered bad touch.
00:32:18That has a caveat in that the child must be under the age of 16
00:32:23to be charged under the Children Act.
00:32:26Over the age of 16 to 18,
00:32:28we go under the sexual offenses.
00:32:30Okay, explain that for me now.
00:32:32So a child, a 16-year-old,
00:32:36let's start from there.
00:32:38Under.
00:32:39No, we already understand 16 and under.
00:32:42That you explain there with the touching.
00:32:45Now a child who is 16, a teenager,
00:32:49and we're going, let's say, to 19.
00:32:51No, 18.
00:32:52Okay, to be clear.
00:32:53So 16 to 18,
00:32:56what if anything happens to that child in that period
00:33:00will be considered an offense?
00:33:02All right.
00:33:03Once the child deems a touch sexual,
00:33:07the Sexual Offenses Act caters for it to be classified.
00:33:12And that's where, even though the victim is still a child,
00:33:17we still deal with it.
00:33:18All right?
00:33:19So it's catered for under the Sexual Offenses Act.
00:33:22So even though there is a law that there's a demarcation of age
00:33:26between 1 or 0 to 16 for the Children Act,
00:33:3216 to 17, which is still, 16 to 18, correction,
00:33:35which is still considered children,
00:33:37the Sexual Offenses Act comes in there,
00:33:40and there's an offense there that caters for that.
00:33:42So there's no freeway or there's no escape.
00:33:46So the offense is catered for there.
00:33:48Investigators and persons are still charged for that.
00:33:51Okay.
00:33:52Because they always say age of consent is 16 by the Children's Act.
00:33:56They like to twist it.
00:33:58Now, that is misunderstood at times.
00:34:00When they say that, it is whereby both child and, quote-unquote,
00:34:06alleged offender is of...
00:34:09Same age.
00:34:10Yes.
00:34:1116, 16, 16, 17.
00:34:1217, according.
00:34:13Section 20 of the Children Act, it's what deals with that.
00:34:15It's considered decriminalization of sexual activity between children.
00:34:19And there are several categories here that has several age brackets
00:34:23and several other conditions that must be met
00:34:27for that offense to be decriminalized.
00:34:29For example, they must not be of the same sex.
00:34:33Okay.
00:34:34They must not be related in any family relationship.
00:34:38They must not be...
00:34:40Again, the age bracket comes in.
00:34:44Two, there's two-year age bracket, three-year age bracket, accordingly.
00:34:50And then the other part is the act must not be by force, coercion,
00:34:56grooming, threat or otherwise.
00:34:58So if when we do an investigation and inquire from the victim,
00:35:02she said, well, I didn't want to, you know, but tell me, well,
00:35:07if I really like him, I will give him.
00:35:09That is coercion.
00:35:10That could be interpreted as grooming.
00:35:12Accordingly, offering money, offering any kind of inducement.
00:35:17When we receive that, we will submit the file for further direction.
00:35:21Now, the law dictates that if the suspect is under the age of 18,
00:35:25we must seek the consent of the director of public prosecution for prosecution.
00:35:29Thereby, the file is submitted.
00:35:31He now goes through the matter and see if an offense was there
00:35:37or if he should reclassify it and decriminalize it accordingly.
00:35:41Yeah.
00:35:42It doesn't end there.
00:35:43But before you continue, we need to go to break
00:35:45and we'll follow through with what we are discussing.
00:35:47We'll be back.
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00:37:53We continue with what we were discussing.
00:37:55Sergeant James.
00:37:56So, as you were saying, more on the age gap and where persons could be charged.
00:38:02Yes.
00:38:03For different offenses, regardless if you're thinking age of consent is 16.
00:38:07Right.
00:38:08So, as I said previously, DPP steps in and gives guidance on if a charge should be laid or if not.
00:38:15Yes.
00:38:16There's also the avenue of counseling.
00:38:18So, even though a charge may not be laid, counseling always takes place where the victim and the child,
00:38:23the child offender is now counseled and told of where they may have gone wrong accordingly.
00:38:29Can I ask you this?
00:38:30Does it work more so for the offender?
00:38:34Now, the victim is one where I know and I hope that we put most of our energy and time in because,
00:38:41which actually, no, let me take that back.
00:38:43It should be a balance because we don't want the person to re-offend.
00:38:46So, it's not so much just focusing solely on the victim alone,
00:38:50but making sure that the victim is able to heal from what he or she has gone through.
00:38:55But with the offender, do you see the change?
00:38:58Is there a change?
00:38:59Because sometimes people see it as a sickness.
00:39:01I don't know medically if you could say that.
00:39:03I'm not a doctor.
00:39:04I did not do research on it.
00:39:05I am not able to give a thesis on that.
00:39:07But is it that we really see persons who are able to get over that hurdle of sexual abuse?
00:39:15Abuse?
00:39:16I'm not a medical doctor also, and I cannot give a thesis.
00:39:20But from my line of work and looking at matters over a period of time,
00:39:25we have seen some offenders.
00:39:28I go with the children first, whereby when they're told that they went wrong,
00:39:32they do show some remorse and there's some change in their life.
00:39:37This is a child who's the offender?
00:39:38Yes, a child who's the offender.
00:39:39Again, counseling and always keeping that child in the know is important.
00:39:45Again, comes back to parents and guardians.
00:39:47Is that child ever abused, causing them now to do the same act on another child?
00:39:53Because maybe they might be older than your child by one year.
00:39:56Sometimes during investigation, they will reveal that to us,
00:39:59but more so when they go through counseling, they may tell the counselor,
00:40:03the psychologist, accordingly.
00:40:05Now that sometimes is confidential, so we may not get that detail.
00:40:10But they will reveal that in the past they were hurt in some way or the other,
00:40:15and realize that it is just them reaching out or reacting to a hurt that was never dealt with.
00:40:22This is where the counseling is important.
00:40:25Again, we don't only charge.
00:40:27We offer counseling to ensure that it's not reoccurred
00:40:31and this person now doesn't continue to look for other victims to do the same thing to.
00:40:38How do you all deal with reoffenders?
00:40:40Reoffenders are adults.
00:40:45Yes, the adults.
00:40:46The adults.
00:40:47They are given counseling when the parliament passed the sexual offenses registry,
00:40:52whereby the names are placed in that registry,
00:40:54and they are given certain conditions that they must abide by.
00:41:00What we do as a police officer, we try to keep in contact with them.
00:41:05Not to say make them uneasy, but let them know that they did wrong
00:41:10and try to have them understand that, look, what you did was wrong,
00:41:14and you don't have to continue along that path.
00:41:16I can say from my line of work, I've seen persons who were charged came back to us and told us,
00:41:22listen, they have seen other persons doing wrong,
00:41:24and they are now talking to them using their experience as a teaching tool and turning others away.
00:41:30A good example is PH Taxi Drivers.
00:41:33Which we have seen yesterday with that story.
00:41:35Ah, yes.
00:41:36So, they've been charged, and I've seen where a PH driver came back and he did time,
00:41:41and he was able to relay the story to his colleagues and tell them, listen, leave the schoolgirls alone.
00:41:46You're dropping them to school, leave them alone until they become an adult.
00:41:50And we have seen where he now took that path of using his life experience to now talk to the others,
00:41:56and some of them are really taking it under consideration and turning away.
00:42:00They shouldn't pick up children at all.
00:42:02As I say, just don't pick them up at all.
00:42:04Inspector, let's dive into, let's say, officers within the TTPS who have been faced with domestic situations
00:42:12because they are human beings and after they take off their uniform, they have their life that they will have to live.
00:42:17How do you all deal with officers who have been abusers in the service, your unit in particular?
00:42:26So, as you say, we are human.
00:42:30We don't have anything that covers us and say that's how we change.
00:42:33So, we are human where it can happen.
00:42:36For us, as a person of an abuser, it goes through the same process.
00:42:41If he is an abuser or she, we go through the same process.
00:42:46We go through the same investigations.
00:42:48If it is, we send the files to DPP to which they will give us instructions.
00:42:52If he is a victim, we give them the normal to go to get psychiatric assistance.
00:43:00We get the social worker to get involved and assist that person.
00:43:04So, are they able to still work if the evidence shows that this person has been abusive and they are representing the service?
00:43:14Well, that is the thing.
00:43:15If it is, we are given instructions by the DP that we have to prefer charges against him,
00:43:19then that person may be placed on leave where he would have to stay away from work because of the fact that we use firearms.
00:43:29And firearms is one of the things that they always use as a threat.
00:43:33So, if they are charged, which is a criminal charge, they are suspended from duty.
00:43:39I want to dive back into the Children's Act and marriage.
00:43:43Remember, we had that discussion years ago.
00:43:46It wasn't too long ago because the age at the time was 12, right?
00:43:52To be married to an adult.
00:43:54This is not a 12-year-old marrying a 12-year-old and moving into a house and this person is now a husband and wife.
00:44:01This is an adult individual, mostly 12, all the time was a man and marrying a 12-year-old girl who is not even a teenager, even 16.
00:44:11Where are we with that when marriage is concerned?
00:44:14Because tradition is something big in many communities throughout Trinidad and Tobago.
00:44:18And you all can say what you want.
00:44:20The laws can say what.
00:44:21This is what we know.
00:44:22This is what I was brought up doing and I am doing the same now with my family.
00:44:27But what is the law stating?
00:44:29Okay.
00:44:30Under the Children's Act, there is a category that caters for that religious reasons.
00:44:35And they would have to satisfy the conditions so outlined.
00:44:38Again, as you rightly said, the issue is always an adult male to a child female.
00:44:46In circumstances like that, again, there are certain conditions that are outlined that the law requires must be met.
00:44:55So it is fully prohibited.
00:44:59Conditions must be satisfied.
00:45:01But it does continue.
00:45:03With 12?
00:45:04Age 12, that is?
00:45:06Age I have to confirm.
00:45:08But it is a child.
00:45:11Anyone under the age of 18 years is a child.
00:45:13So once that person is under the age of 18 years and they get into a situation like that, yes, it's a child.
00:45:19So the law does cater for it.
00:45:20But the age, I have to confirm the age.
00:45:22I would not want to mislead the public and say otherwise.
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00:47:25Extension 1992, 1993, and 1997.
00:47:29We are heading back into gender base.
00:47:31In the unit.
00:47:33And we touched on marriage there.
00:47:35When it comes to child protection.
00:47:37But marriage in the sense of a husband and wife.
00:47:41And they are going through the act of intimacy.
00:47:45Yes.
00:47:47I can say that on TV?
00:47:48Yes.
00:47:49I think I can.
00:47:50They didn't tell me otherwise.
00:47:51And the wife says no.
00:47:55And then she makes a report.
00:47:57And says my husband raped me.
00:48:00Is that really the case?
00:48:02Yes, we have offenses like that.
00:48:04Even though you are married?
00:48:05Yes, we do.
00:48:06Because of the fact that a long time ago they said you are married.
00:48:08You can't tell me no.
00:48:10Now it has changed where no is considered rape.
00:48:14Even if you are married.
00:48:16Because if she says no.
00:48:18And she says I am not in the mood.
00:48:20Back off.
00:48:22How can you say you are not in the mood?
00:48:24How can you say that?
00:48:26You are mine.
00:48:27I marry you.
00:48:28You have my last name.
00:48:29There is nothing called ownership.
00:48:31You have my last name.
00:48:33It is not ownership.
00:48:35But at the end of it.
00:48:37If you say no.
00:48:38They say I understand.
00:48:40Let me think about it next time.
00:48:42There are some men.
00:48:44First of all.
00:48:46Could a woman rape a man?
00:48:50That is very hard.
00:48:52I would not be raped.
00:48:55It might be a sexual assault.
00:48:57But not rape.
00:48:59Under the laws of Trinidad and Tobago.
00:49:01It would not be rape.
00:49:03But it would be a sexual assault.
00:49:05Yes.
00:49:07Being married.
00:49:09We hear sometimes.
00:49:11Conversations.
00:49:13The man.
00:49:15You can't tell me no.
00:49:17If a woman says no.
00:49:19And you carry the last name.
00:49:21She has the ring.
00:49:23She has been married for a decade.
00:49:25After a decade.
00:49:27She says no.
00:49:29I am good right now.
00:49:31If she says no.
00:49:33We have to back off.
00:49:35I don't want to get myself in trouble.
00:49:37I don't like it otherwise.
00:49:39Let me go.
00:49:41Some people.
00:49:43They say no.
00:49:45We must find somebody else.
00:49:47That is not the case.
00:49:49There might be a reason why.
00:49:51That is true.
00:49:53We must be understanding.
00:49:55For our partner.
00:49:57There are instances.
00:49:59Where it will happen.
00:50:01It will change.
00:50:03When they say no.
00:50:05We have to stop.
00:50:07How do you intervene?
00:50:09When the report was made.
00:50:11They want someone.
00:50:13To find a way.
00:50:15For the husband.
00:50:17To understand.
00:50:19Families in action.
00:50:21They might be able to assist.
00:50:23They are trained.
00:50:25To talk.
00:50:27To the male counterparts.
00:50:29Let me tell you.
00:50:31The mood is not there.
00:50:33We give them.
00:50:35Advice.
00:50:37Drugging someone.
00:50:39And.
00:50:41Robbing.
00:50:43Sexually assaulting.
00:50:45Falls under your unit.
00:50:47If you drug someone.
00:50:49To harm them.
00:50:51Not really.
00:50:53Unless it is a domestic.
00:50:55Or familial relationship.
00:50:57They have been living for 12 months.
00:50:59They are dating.
00:51:01They have been having.
00:51:03Sexual intercourse.
00:51:05It will fall under our unit.
00:51:07If it is just.
00:51:09I meet you and I drug you.
00:51:11It will not fall under us.
00:51:13That is interesting.
00:51:15You must be intimate.
00:51:17You must have that relationship.
00:51:19At least 12 months.
00:51:21We go in our own.
00:51:23Once we go in our own.
00:51:25We consider that as domestic.
00:51:27I did not know that.
00:51:29We had to.
00:51:31Sergeant James.
00:51:33The same situation.
00:51:35Where persons.
00:51:37Children.
00:51:39To be specific.
00:51:41Are indulging in drugs.
00:51:43Not saying to knock you out.
00:51:45But indulging in drugs.
00:51:47Does that fall under the unit.
00:51:49Of using those.
00:51:51Drug like substances.
00:51:53Are you referring to the.
00:51:55Using drugs themselves.
00:51:57Yes knowingly doing it.
00:51:59Okay no.
00:52:01That would go.
00:52:03To the station.
00:52:05If it is involving.
00:52:07Drug trafficking.
00:52:09Possession of drugs.
00:52:11We cater for.
00:52:13Offenses such as.
00:52:15Cruelty of the various kinds.
00:52:17Sexual offenses of the various kinds.
00:52:19Pornography.
00:52:21Child pornography.
00:52:23Offenses or other categories.
00:52:25Like firearm offenses.
00:52:27Drug related offenses.
00:52:29School fights.
00:52:31These go back to the station.
00:52:33Or to the relevant unit.
00:52:35A child involved in robbery.
00:52:37Snatching all these things.
00:52:39Those matters go back to the station.
00:52:41For the station to now deal with those matters.
00:52:43We support.
00:52:45By gathering the information.
00:52:47We also support by passing.
00:52:49That information to the children authority.
00:52:51Who have that vested responsibility.
00:52:53For all children.
00:52:55In Trinidad and Tobago.
00:52:57Once the matter comes to the police.
00:52:59They must be informed.
00:53:01Be that we investigate the child protection unit.
00:53:03Or the station or other unit otherwise.
00:53:05We gather the information and forward it to them.
00:53:07In such a situation we assist the unit.
00:53:09Or the other relevant department.
00:53:11By providing support.
00:53:13Okay we have a call right now.
00:53:15Let's take that call.
00:53:17Good afternoon.
00:53:19Hello good afternoon.
00:53:21I just want to ask a question.
00:53:23Entirely.
00:53:25What I have seen.
00:53:27That all.
00:53:29Good laws.
00:53:31Has been broken.
00:53:33And managed.
00:53:35In their laws.
00:53:37So I would like to find out.
00:53:39God laws.
00:53:41And man laws.
00:53:43Which one.
00:53:45Is going to stand.
00:53:49In marriage.
00:53:51Okay.
00:53:53So hello.
00:53:55Is he still there.
00:53:57Okay so he is speaking.
00:53:59On marriage.
00:54:01And I am trying to understand.
00:54:03So I wanted to see if he was still there.
00:54:05To hear from him exactly what he means.
00:54:07By the God laws and man laws.
00:54:09Concerning marriage.
00:54:11And I am assuming because the woman is saying no.
00:54:13Because like a woman can't say no.
00:54:15A woman can't say no.
00:54:17However we must understand.
00:54:19That a no is no.
00:54:21Not no is yes.
00:54:23There are no instances where a positive is a negative.
00:54:25Science wise I don't know.
00:54:27But no.
00:54:29We would actually say.
00:54:31We deal with the laws of the land.
00:54:33The laws of the land.
00:54:35Indicate that now a wife.
00:54:37Can't say that her husband will rape her.
00:54:39So we go by that.
00:54:41Because we have to work by the laws of the land.
00:54:43Yes God has said.
00:54:45That is my partner.
00:54:47And that is my.
00:54:49Counterpart for life.
00:54:51However.
00:54:53That is not written where it is.
00:54:55Yeah we sign the documents.
00:54:57But then there are times where I want to go my separate way.
00:54:59So at the end of it.
00:55:01We have to go by the laws of the land.
00:55:03And I would really have liked.
00:55:05For him to clarify.
00:55:07However we would say for the laws of the land for now.
00:55:09Yeah.
00:55:11Okay I hope so.
00:55:13I think it is tradition.
00:55:15Tradition is something that many persons are stuck in.
00:55:17And what they know.
00:55:19And the rule and function of a woman.
00:55:21And yes a man.
00:55:23But when it comes to someone being uncomfortable.
00:55:25Man or woman.
00:55:27It should be understood.
00:55:29Even when a man says no.
00:55:31You know woman.
00:55:33So we can flip the script here too.
00:55:35It is not just females saying no.
00:55:37A man could say no.
00:55:39And does not mean that the individual is not into women.
00:55:41Because they will throw that in the man's face.
00:55:43Or something wrong with you.
00:55:45And start to just rip the man to shreds.
00:55:47It is just no.
00:55:49Well the first thing they will say is that you know.
00:55:51You are the one.
00:55:53Yes.
00:55:55And that is understandable.
00:55:57Because it is not only the man's half way.
00:55:59He might have a hard day at work.
00:56:01The woman might have a hard day at work.
00:56:03Even at work or at home.
00:56:05And sometimes you are just tired.
00:56:07Or you are just not into it.
00:56:09And that is understandable.
00:56:11No is no.
00:56:13Not maybe.
00:56:15No yes.
00:56:17It is no.
00:56:19We take a break and we come back and wrap things up.
00:56:25I see you.
00:56:27Okay.
00:56:29Do your dance.
00:56:31Do your thing.
00:56:33I see you.
00:56:35Okay.
00:56:37Let me see you.
00:56:39Cherry hill.
00:56:41Now take it back.
00:56:43Let me see you.
00:56:45Rock off.
00:56:47Shake off.
00:56:49Let me see you.
00:56:51Rock off.
00:56:53Let me see you.
00:56:55Rock off.
00:56:57Let me see you.
00:56:59Rock off.
00:57:01Let me see you.
00:57:03Rock off.
00:57:05Let me see you.
00:57:07Rock off.
00:57:09Let me see you.
00:57:11Rock off.
00:57:13Let me see you.
00:57:15Rock off.
00:57:17Let me see you.
00:57:19Rock off.
00:57:21Let me see you.
00:57:23Rock off.
00:57:25Let me see you.
00:57:27Rock off.
00:57:29Let me see you.
00:57:31Rock off.
00:57:33Let me see you.
00:57:35Rock off.
00:57:37Let me see you.
00:57:39Rock off.
00:57:41Let me see you.
00:57:43Rock off.
00:57:45Let me see you.
00:57:47Rock off.
00:57:49Let me see you.
00:57:51Rock off.
00:57:53Let me see you.
00:57:55Rock off.
00:57:57Let me see you.
00:57:59Rock off.
00:58:01Let me see you.
00:58:03Rock off.
00:58:05Let me see you.
00:58:07Rock off.
00:58:09Let me see you.
00:58:11Rock off.
00:58:13Let me see you.
00:58:15Rock off.
00:58:17Let me see you.
00:58:19Rock off.
00:58:21Let me see you.
00:58:23Rock off.
00:58:25Let me see you.
00:58:27Rock off.
00:58:29Let me see you.
00:58:31Rock off.
00:58:33Let me see you.
00:58:35Rock off.
00:58:37Let me see you.
00:58:39Rock off.
00:58:41Let me see you.
00:58:43Rock off.
00:58:45Let me see you.
00:58:47Rock off.
00:58:49Let me see you.
00:58:51Rock off.
00:58:57And we are back.
00:58:59We have the opportunity now to let
00:59:01the gentleman speak.
00:59:03We are getting ready.
00:59:05Before we do that, I would like
00:59:07to welcome Sergeant James to
00:59:09It's remiss of me, but let me mention that the unit department is headed by Acting Superintendent
00:59:16Michelle Rowley-Powder.
00:59:18I must say that she is overall responsible for us.
00:59:20She provides training and she's doing her utmost best to ensure that we do what is required
00:59:24of us, in spite of the challenges that we may face.
00:59:26What I would like to leave very public is that we as adults, we have a duty of care
00:59:30to children.
00:59:31They are the future of the nation.
00:59:32And they are given to us not by chance, not by accident, but they are here for a purpose.
00:59:37Everyone wants a child.
00:59:38And the things that we may have gone through as a child, do we want our children experiencing
00:59:43that?
00:59:44The world needs to be a better place.
00:59:46How can it be a better place?
00:59:47By us, the adults, with our duty of care, exercising that and ensuring that the children
00:59:52are protected.
00:59:54Children must be children and allowed to enjoy their lives as children.
00:59:59So each one tell one.
01:00:01That's what we tell people.
01:00:02You would see a child do something wrong, long time you tell them they're doing wrong.
01:00:06You would want someone to correct your child.
01:00:12So in such an instance, you do what is right.
01:00:15You see an offence taking place, you report it.
01:00:17It don't have to be you calling the station and say, hey, John Brown here, report it.
01:00:22It can be anonymous.
01:00:23You can tell someone.
01:00:25But the important thing is to get the message out.
01:00:28Children are children and they are to be taken care of and nurtured and not abused in any
01:00:32form or fashion.
01:00:34Thank you so much, Sergeant James.
01:00:36The floor is yours, Inspector, to speak to the public quickly.
01:00:39Well, ma'am, first of all, I must say thank you for having us here.
01:00:41And one thing I would like to give the public is you are the superman in this because the
01:00:45fact that we really believe in see something, say something.
01:00:50So if you see you might be a victim, but you might be someone who might be able to assist
01:00:54someone who might be the victim in this matter.
01:00:56So as I said, you are the superman.
01:00:58And thank you.
01:00:59Yes.
01:01:00Thank you so much, Inspector Ramphal.
01:01:01We appreciate you so much representing the gender based unit and the child protection
01:01:06unit and Sergeant James for being here with us and giving us information.
01:01:09I wish you could be here a bit longer because I had so many other questions to ask.
01:01:13But I'm sure more than likely you will be back on the show so we can inform the public
01:01:17a little bit more as to some of the things sometimes we may be doing wrong as parents.
01:01:23And I learned so much today from the bellers to the slaps.
01:01:26Yes.
01:01:27I have.
01:01:28Yeah.
01:01:29You know, it's something where, you know, we have to be conscious of anything that we
01:01:34do, because in the long run, we could actually place our children in situations that they
01:01:39didn't need to be in because they thought it was a way of showing love and protection
01:01:44to your child.
01:01:45When really and truly it was abuse.
01:01:47We were abusing our children.
01:01:48I know the old school persons are saying, I can't say I do what I have to do and my
01:01:53children got it.
01:01:55But you just don't know some of the childhood trauma that I know the word trauma is used
01:01:59a lot now.
01:02:00But it is something that is taboo, especially in the Caribbean, in Trinidad and Tobago,
01:02:06when persons try to express themselves as a young child and letting the parents know
01:02:11how they feel and they just don't take them any mind because the child shouldn't have
01:02:17any feelings or feel tired or go through anything in life, especially now the children are exposed
01:02:22to so much.
01:02:23So you can imagine what's the overload going on in their minds and we must be there to
01:02:27protect them at all times.
01:02:29Thank you once again to the officers of the TTPs, especially the Special Victims Unit,
01:02:33the entire team that is working extremely hard to make sure that we protect not just
01:02:37our children, but our citizens of Trinidad and Tobago.
01:02:41At this time, we get ready to wrap things up, close the curtains and get ready for news
01:02:45coming up next at seven o'clock.
01:02:47Remember, the show is back on on Monday from six o'clock.
01:02:51But today we get ready for your news next and followed by the cricket.
01:02:56All the cricket fans get ready and don't forget TKR will be touching down in Trinidad
01:03:00next week.
01:03:01So come out and support them in their numbers.
01:03:02Once again, congratulations to all the officers in their promotion, especially our boy, Senior
01:03:08Superintendent Alexander.
01:03:11We love you.
01:03:12We appreciate that.
01:03:13Alexander!
01:03:14Big up yourself.
01:03:15Remember, be pure and just and have God in your life no matter what.
01:03:18We are out.
01:03:19Xandaman, bless up.
01:03:26Xandaman, bless up.
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