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03:17Good evening Trinidad and Tobago and welcome to Beyond the Tape.
03:29My name is Whitney Husband.
03:31Now it's Wednesday.
03:33So it's legally speaking Wednesdays.
03:35And yesterday we were speaking about missing persons.
03:39And the role and function of the TTPS.
03:41But what about the laws of Trinidad and Tobago.
03:44When it comes to missing persons.
03:46And the criminal elements that will take away a loved one from us.
03:51For a long period in time.
03:53And also even if they are retrieved.
03:55How are we dealing with the victims.
03:57And getting justice for the victims who were involved.
04:01Or even if the victim was killed.
04:04And they were missing for a long period in time.
04:06Where are the laws to protect those in situations like that.
04:12This evening we are always pleased to have our attorney at law.
04:15Corporal Ali with us.
04:17Good evening to you Corporal Ali.
04:19You look sharp this evening though.
04:20That means you had a lot of meetings.
04:22Well I want to thank you very much for your kind compliment this afternoon.
04:26And I'm sure the persons who are listening.
04:32I'll share that comment with them as well.
04:34My significant others.
04:36Based on your comment.
04:37Whitney.
04:38Good afternoon to you and Jackie.
04:40Family and Biondi citizen of Trinidad and Tobago.
04:43Out and within the jurisdiction.
04:45Foreigners.
04:47It's a pleasure to be here as always.
04:50I think it's important with so many things happening around us Whitney.
04:53I think it's important.
04:55And I seek your permission.
04:57Just to touch a little bit.
04:59Within the last couple of hours.
05:01I think it was important to open this show this afternoon.
05:04By just reflecting on Jeremy Richards.
05:07Yes.
05:09Participation in the final of the 200 meter in the Olympics.
05:14A short while ago.
05:16And there are several things touched me.
05:18And I want to share it.
05:19Permit me to share it with members of the public this afternoon.
05:21Definitely.
05:22First let me join with you and Trinidad and Tobago.
05:25To congratulate a son of the soil.
05:30Didn't medal.
05:31As they say.
05:33But did in fact enjoy a record.
05:35Give his all.
05:37It was a tight race.
05:38All, all, all.
05:39That's correct.
05:40And I thought it was important.
05:42In terms of his comments, his statements.
05:45After the race.
05:46And why I think it's important.
05:48You know.
05:49And this is from probably a crime prevention context.
05:51We have dealt with hard policing.
05:53And I thought it was important this afternoon.
05:55To look at the statements that he made.
05:57And for Trinidad and Tobago.
05:59And especially of the young people in this nation.
06:01This is an individual who just competed.
06:03At the highest stage.
06:05Basically at this stage in Lehman saying.
06:08We can say that Trinidad and Tobago occupy the fourth position in the world.
06:12In the 200 meter.
06:13It does.
06:14Yes.
06:15Right.
06:16So indirectly speaking.
06:17The fourth fastest in the world.
06:18In the 200 meter.
06:19But there's some very significant things that he said.
06:21And the thing that stand out to me.
06:24Or stood out to me.
06:25Sorry.
06:26Apart from the recognition of the supreme being.
06:29Both in good times.
06:31And in bad times.
06:32And I want to share that.
06:33In good times.
06:34And in bad times.
06:35Secondly.
06:37He spoke about a very strong support system.
06:40His wife.
06:42His mother.
06:43His sister.
06:44His brother.
06:45And he went along.
06:46And I want to reflect on that.
06:47Because you know you hear different sectors of the society.
06:49Talking about the importance of the family.
06:51And this is where one of the top athletes in the world.
06:54Has now brought evidence of his support system.
06:58And I thought it was important this afternoon.
07:00When we are speaking about crime prevention.
07:02And speaking straight to the decision makers in Trinidad and Tobago.
07:06That if the United Nations have recognized the importance of sport.
07:10They have recognized sport in a context where.
07:13Because of the reach that sport.
07:15The popularity.
07:16For international development and peace.
07:19And let me quote.
07:20Peace.
07:21I think that I want to urge the decision makers in Trinidad and Tobago.
07:23And especially all those sporting organizations.
07:27Whether it be cricket.
07:28Whether it be football.
07:29And I'm wearing my sporting cap here.
07:32I was a former National Cricket and Wrestling Institute captain.
07:34I think that more must be done.
07:37With reference to these non-governmental organizations.
07:40Who enjoy subvention from the government.
07:42And from corporate Trinidad and Tobago.
07:44To invest heavily into our athletes.
07:47To ensure that we are putting Trinidad and Tobago.
07:51In the best position.
07:52And using sport as a vehicle.
07:54That we have always spoken about.
07:55To be able to motivate.
07:57Influence the mind of our young people.
07:59And build our community.
08:00So, I thought it was important to congratulate him.
08:03But to reflect on the statements that he made.
08:05As a matter of fact, I saw my family.
08:07Very jubilant.
08:09I was screaming at the television set.
08:10Well, I'm excited to hear that.
08:13Yeah, I was.
08:14I was.
08:15I was just saying, okay.
08:16He's going to get at least a medal.
08:17He's getting a medal.
08:18And it didn't happen.
08:19But when I saw his expression.
08:20Yes.
08:21On the TV.
08:22I was like, okay.
08:23He is at peace with the decision.
08:25What happened.
08:26Yes.
08:27So, that brought me some ease.
08:28Yes.
08:29And it wasn't feeling like disappointment.
08:31Yes.
08:32It was more so that I did my best.
08:34I laid my heart on the track.
08:36Yes.
08:37And we're moving on to the next.
08:38And I'm happy you said that.
08:39Because when, you know, someone just came forth.
08:41And the last thing I'll just, to match what you're saying.
08:43Is that the race came to an end.
08:45But you could see that burning passion.
08:47That he wanted to achieve.
08:49Yes.
08:50And not only for himself.
08:51But for Trinidad and Tobago.
08:52Mr. Richards.
08:53If you're hearing me.
08:54He is a dream.
08:55He is a dream.
08:56I want to recognize you.
08:57I salute you.
08:58And I join with the people of Trinidad and Tobago.
09:00As a son of the soil.
09:01To tell you continue.
09:02And by extension.
09:03All the others who have participated in the Olympics.
09:05I want to say hats off to you.
09:06And I think we have Kishan Walker tomorrow.
09:08Yeah.
09:09In the javelin.
09:10And I think we have the relay.
09:11He has a 400 as well.
09:12I think it's a relay coming up.
09:13Right?
09:14But he has a 400.
09:15Okay.
09:16Great.
09:17And he's supposed to run in the finals.
09:18If I'm not mistaken.
09:19But we will keep you all up to date with that.
09:20So, at this time.
09:21Let's see what made the headlines in the last 24 hours.
09:51Now, we saw in one of the headlines where the THA chief secretary.
10:21Mr.
10:22Folly was stating that they need radical response now in Tobago.
10:26Because of where the crime situation is going.
10:28And then we also heard a statement made by the MP.
10:32MP Scotland.
10:33Because he is the minister.
10:35The minister of national security.
10:36Dealing with the policing side of it.
10:38Stating that they need to get a little more aggressive towards the gangs.
10:43And the guns.
10:44And what is happening in Trinidad and Tobago.
10:46And you know that word many times.
10:49When we say aggression.
10:50It's not a word that we really like to use.
10:51Especially when it comes to the TTPS.
10:53Yes.
10:54But with the laws that are placed to guide the TTPS.
10:59And the way in which they work and function.
11:01How are they going to do that when you're hearing leaders basically stating.
11:06We need to say a little more.
11:08I don't want to use the word that you don't like us to use.
11:10Yes.
11:11But to enforce a little more on what is happening in the country.
11:16I think it's a very interesting question that you have posed to me Whitney.
11:20And you have posed it in the context of coming from the chief secretary.
11:24And from the minister of national security.
11:28Mrs. Scotland.
11:29While they may be using very strong words.
11:32I think it's important for TTPS and law enforcement to recognize.
11:36That we still operate within the rule of law.
11:39And I want to begin with that.
11:40That we are operating within the rule of law.
11:42And even if words like aggression.
11:45And that sort of thing is used.
11:48TTPS must be reminded that we must operate within the.
11:51Within the ambit of the law.
11:52But.
11:54I think and looking at it and you know my simple understanding.
11:57I think what the decision makers or what the leaders are looking for.
12:00Is.
12:02More effective engagement.
12:04And effective engagement in the context for example.
12:07You know visible.
12:10Engagement.
12:11Effective engagement where it is really required.
12:14And I want to repeat that.
12:15Effective engagement where it's really required.
12:18And.
12:20Use of what you said deep enforcement.
12:23And I want to marry and borrow your word.
12:25Deep enforcement.
12:27Of particular legislation that we have asked for.
12:30And I've spoken about this.
12:32At the joint committee some time ago.
12:34Where the anti-gang legislation.
12:37The miscellaneous provision law enforcement act.
12:40The administration of justice indictable proceedings act.
12:43For wide investigative powers.
12:45I think they are asking for deep enforcement of the legislation.
12:48And not a case where when you're talking about aggression.
12:51That in any way asking for law enforcement to step out.
12:54Of the rule of law.
12:56Now I remember once as well on this show with me.
12:58You identify that.
13:01You live in the port of Spain area or you.
13:04Or you frequently part of Spain area just to be more exact.
13:07And you yourself would have identified when you are passing.
13:10You may not have seen the level of engagement that you require.
13:13And what engagement do you require?
13:15You require where they are intelligent driven spot checks.
13:19Vehicle are being searched.
13:21Persons are being searched.
13:22And more importantly, you are seeing the results of it flowing.
13:25So.
13:26To respond to you.
13:27I think that using the word aggression.
13:29I think it's more effective engagement.
13:31And get towards.
13:33Or I should say results oriented that they are speaking about.
13:36And I know with regards to.
13:39The roadblocks, which is.
13:41One of the strategies.
13:43To try to combat what we are seeing happening.
13:46We are still seeing a lot of.
13:48Shootings killings still taking place.
13:51And we can't pinpoint a specific time.
13:54Yes, that it is happening.
13:56And it's happening in areas that it is not frequently seen.
13:59No way.
14:00A lot of persons are being shot.
14:02Yes.
14:03So apart from the roadblocks.
14:05What else should be done?
14:06Is it that we have to do more patrols?
14:08And are the patrols really working?
14:10Because it seems like we need to have officers in strategic points.
14:13And do we have enough officers to be in strategic points?
14:16Do we have enough vehicles for them to be able to patrol?
14:19And even if they patrol.
14:20They come out and do foot patrols in certain areas.
14:22Walk through the areas.
14:23Not just in the afternoon and evening.
14:25But late at night.
14:26Wee hours in the morning when people are sleeping.
14:28These things also could work.
14:30Well, Whitney.
14:31You are.
14:32You know.
14:33You.
14:34You have placed me in a position where the level of analysis and thinking.
14:40That you are sharing with me this afternoon.
14:42This is exactly when you are seeing a situation that is unfolding.
14:46In a way it's unfolding.
14:47And without prejudice to any office.
14:49It's important.
14:50And I said it many times in this program.
14:52About adopting a fluid process.
14:55And what you may have planned for today.
14:58You may wake up in the morning and realize that things happen overnight.
15:02And then you have to change.
15:03So, you are quite right.
15:05In terms of looking and seeing, okay.
15:07The TTPS as an organization.
15:09Are we configured in a way that we should be?
15:11To be able to respond.
15:13To change in circumstances.
15:15And this is a question where the entire TTPS at all levels of the hierarchy.
15:19Must be part of that thinking process.
15:22And don't only wait to be given directions.
15:25Or hoping that one or two persons may have the solution.
15:27If we are part of an organization.
15:31We have to see ourselves as part of the organization.
15:33And if we are seeing things that can work.
15:35We need to make our contribution and not just remain in the background.
15:38And hoping that someone will have the solution.
15:40So, I think when you're speaking about the deployment of resources.
15:43Or even doing an audit to see whether in fact there's sufficient human resource.
15:46Or physical resource to be able to deploy it.
15:49I think that those are very critical things.
15:51Because at the end of the day.
15:52Structure, system, people, and resources.
15:54Are crucial in these circumstances.
15:56But again, it's an uphill challenge.
15:59It's an uphill task.
16:00But not an impossible one.
16:02To be critical.
16:04I know when I speak like this.
16:06I hope persons are maturing their understanding.
16:09And thinking that we are fighting a serious challenge.
16:13A serious battle.
16:14And if we are fighting a serious challenge.
16:15And a serious battle.
16:16It calls for maturity.
16:17And it calls for being very critical.
16:19Continuously.
16:21Of our approaches and our responses.
16:23So, I hope in that case.
16:25That the statistics that we always hear a lot about.
16:28When they come on the show.
16:29And they give all the.
16:30What we're seeing improving.
16:31And what is not improving.
16:33The ones that are not improving.
16:34That you could use those statistics.
16:36To then do strategies around that.
16:38To get it reduced.
16:40A certain way.
16:41And just to share one thing.
16:42Before we go to the break.
16:44Or before we touch on another issue.
16:45Whitney.
16:46I must also acknowledge that.
16:47And where I sit.
16:49I'm aware that there's a lot of thinking that's going on.
16:51And I must be.
16:52Balancing scale.
16:54There's a lot of thinking.
16:55There's a lot of strategy that is being developed.
16:57And I think that one of the important things.
16:59That I want to disseminate this afternoon.
17:03Not only from where I sit.
17:05In terms of.
17:06And on this platform.
17:07But to the organization.
17:08Implementation.
17:10Effective implementation.
17:12The executive can give us the most beautiful strategy.
17:15Sometimes.
17:16They can give us the most effective structure.
17:19System.
17:20But if we are weak in our implementation.
17:22If there's no passion to get the work done.
17:24Then.
17:25As I said.
17:26You could have the best plan.
17:27Without implementation.
17:28You are not going anywhere.
17:29So.
17:30You have a.
17:31And let's look at it.
17:32You know.
17:33For example.
17:34A vehicle.
17:35That is mint condition.
17:36And you know what I mean.
17:37Mint condition.
17:38Margarine.
17:39Very nice.
17:40Beautiful body.
17:41Yeah.
17:42You know.
17:43Powerful engine.
17:44Well.
17:45I don't even want to go to powerful engine.
17:46Because I was actually getting there.
17:47Where the body of it.
17:48Looks very attractive.
17:49But the vehicle can't start.
17:50So.
17:51Again.
17:52What's the purpose of the vehicle?
17:53Can it carry you?
17:54Can it serve that purpose?
17:55So.
17:56You know.
17:57Just to use a simple example.
17:58So.
17:59To my brothers and sisters in the law enforcement.
18:00Let us step up.
18:01Let us look at implementation.
18:02Implementation.
18:03And let us continue to look at our response.
18:04In a strategic way.
18:05And let us see.
18:06If we all can make that contribution.
18:07To assist the overall PTA.
18:08Yeah.
18:09We have to take a break.
18:10We'll be back.
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