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02:58Good evening Trinidad and Tobago and welcome to Beyond the Tape.
03:01My name is Whitney Husband.
03:03When we speak of illegal migrants, we see many forms in Trinidad and Tobago and how are we dealing with it.
03:11When we speak of child labor and many persons coming out and crying about issues where we see young persons being out late hours working.
03:18How are we dealing with it?
03:19We are definitely dealing with it.
03:21And with that, we have the TTPS totally on board assisting with that.
03:25This evening, we'd like to welcome first to the program, very first time, Attorney-at-Law from the Southern Division with us this evening.
03:32Corporal Reagan Ramnanan with us and we'd like to welcome you.
03:37Corporal, good evening to you.
03:38Thank you, Whitney.
03:39It's nice to be here.
03:40I appreciate the provision to be here this afternoon.
03:43Yes, thank you.
03:44And the time because I know it's very busy when you juggle being an officer and also attorney-at-law and you're prosecuting persons who are doing criminal acts and activities to make sure the citizens are safe.
03:57So let us know your role and function a little bit more within the Southern Division.
04:01Yes.
04:02Well, I'm a corporal of police and I'm also an attorney-at-law.
04:05I hold the portfolio of legal officer for Southern Division.
04:10And I'm also one of the prosecutors for the recently implemented Masters Court in the Southern Division.
04:20So some of my roles include but are not limited to advising on whether or not we would have met the threshold to lay criminal charges against someone, advising on files to ensure that they meet the requirements for the court to accept him, and also advising on whether or not the structure of the evidence that we have is sufficient to sustain towards a successful prosecution.
04:46So is it a bit challenging in your division when it comes to prosecuting individuals and getting evidence in the position that you're in also in the capacity of an officer of the TTPS?
04:58In terms of the difficulties that we would have faced, we definitely had some uphill obstacles when AGIPA came in.
05:07That is our shortened version for the Administration of Justice Indictable Proceedings Amendment Act.
05:13This came into effect in December of last year.
05:16What it did is it created now a system where the police are now required to front load.
05:23Now this is a term that we coined in Southern Division and I do take ownership of that with my colleagues in Southern Division.
05:29What does that mean?
05:30Front loading is a process by which the police would engage in acquiring as much of the statements and other documentary evidence that is required to prove a case against someone before we actually lay the charge.
05:45Oh, okay. Understood. So you're not guessing?
05:49No. There's no guesswork involved here. This process effectively shortens the time by which a person remains before the court at the magistrate or master's level and ensure that we could proceed with this.
06:03So because justice delayed is justice denied.
06:06The faster we get these matters moved to the High Court, it is better for the system, it is better for the members of the public, it is better for the victims and it speaks well towards the police.
06:20And I love to hear that because we speak of speedy trials.
06:24Yes.
06:25And I know that's a conversation that is about many prisons because they see the judicial system as moving too slow when it comes to matters.
06:33So we can't put a time frame on if someone is guilty or not guilty because we have to wait and get the evidence to make sure that everything that is gathered, that person has a fair trial.
06:44But also the lengthy wait for persons who may be innocent is another issue.
06:48So I'm glad that they're taking a front with that where persons are able to or the officers will be able to gather as much information and evidence, factual information and evidence to proceed forward before they go before the court.
07:02Yes, indeed.
07:03That is exactly what it was envisioned to do.
07:06And I could say in Southern Division that it is exactly what it is doing.
07:11Just to point out that we had, if not the first, I believe it was the first successful sufficiency hearing on this legislation, which resulted in a committal.
07:24And I think that process from the date of the offense, date of charge and the date of the committal to go to stand trial before the High Court, that entire process was about three months as opposed to five years.
07:39What?
07:40That's correct.
07:41Well, you're working extremely hard in the Southern Division.
07:43As always.
07:44All right.
07:45We'll receive more of that.
07:46Right now, we need to take a look at what made the headlines for today.
07:53Thank you.
08:23All right.
08:47So we saw what made the headlines this evening on Corporal Ramanan.
08:51With regards to migration issues, border issues, child labor, where are we in the Southern Division or even throughout the country at large?
09:03Well, with the migration has always been a hot topic in the recent years.
09:08We have seen quite an influx of persons, non-nationals, roaming the streets, finding themselves at intersections that might be dangerous, traffic lights, malls, etc.
09:22We in the Southern Division would have noted, in particular, families who appear to be migrants positioning themselves at very dangerous intersections with a number of children.
09:37This drew to our attention the need to engage these persons at first.
09:46Now, whilst we would have recognized that there were several offenses possibly being committed in terms of the Children Act and exposing children to cruelty and so on, the leadership of the Southern Division, Senior Superintendent Sudin, and his team decided to adopt a softer approach in the first instance.
10:07He would have partnered the police with other stakeholders, including the International Organization for Migrants and UNICEF and other stakeholders, including immigration.
10:17The immigration officers would have provided us with the much-needed translation of the conversation with these families.
10:26They would have been advised as to the dangers of what they were doing.
10:33They would have shared their story and they would have also been subject to some sort of intervention from these other entities who would have provided programs by which they could reach to some level of helping themselves.
10:48The end result, Whitney, I would have passed that very intersection today and there was no one there.
10:55Well, I believe you because I sometimes make my way to some of the intersections, especially on the southern side and especially by South Park.
11:03I used to see a lot of migrant families there with babies, young children, and when the light is red, they're stopping to ask persons for help, money.
11:12And thus far, for the past few weeks, I've been in and out of the southern area.
11:17I've seen families, even our local residents who are here as well as citizens.
11:24Yes, and I agree with you 100%.
11:26What this exercise would have done was to reveal to us that it's not necessarily only for non-nationals.
11:35It is a situation with our local families who have been displaced for some reason or the other, who have found themselves in tough times.
11:45And they would have resorted to the very similar type of activity in having children form the front line of their activities on the street.
11:54They too were engaged.
11:56And whilst we had the international entities assisting the non-nationals, we would not leave our nationals by the wayside.
12:04We also have the local amenities that they could avail themselves of in order to bring themselves off the streets.
12:11What about our borders? Because that is something that many citizens are concerned about.
12:16They really believe that our borders are basically open.
12:20I know that is not totally the rule and function of the TTPS because we have the coast guards there to board our borders.
12:28Or protect, sorry, our borders more so.
12:31But when it comes to them coming onto our land now, that's where the TTPS will definitely have to step in
12:37because we have illegal immigrants making their way into illegal ports of entry.
12:41How are you all dealing with that?
12:43Most definitely with the, in the southern division we have the Moruga beach that forms part of our division.
12:50And in times gone by, you would have heard stories about boatloads coming in and people just jumping out on the beach and they just assimilate into society.
13:00There was a time when the person who was in charge of that station, he took the fight to that head on.
13:10And his intervention, the TTPS, and also our partners in that regards, meaning the coast guard, the immigration,
13:21and also our coastal and riverine patrol unit, we were able to stymie that inflow of persons illegally through that port of entry.
13:33So in my opinion, I would have seen quite a reduction.
13:37I'm not saying that would be perfect.
13:39But we have been stepping up the game in terms of blocking off that mode of entry to those persons because let's be honest about it.
13:49When people could come in, other things could come in too.
13:52Of course, which we have seen.
13:54Correct.
13:55And as anywhere in the world, once your borders are weak or porous, we will have issues of illegal activities happening into, coming in and out of our own country.
14:05Now, let's touch quickly a little bit on the migrants who are here.
14:11And we are seeing more and more from the looks of things.
14:15And sometimes when we hear the language, because it's not English they're speaking, they're committing criminal activities.
14:22How are you all able to treat with that and identify these individuals and put them before the court or charge them, arrest them and deal with the matter?
14:32So we have seen an uptick of incidents where persons appear to be non-nationals.
14:39We try not to make assumptions.
14:41And even when we profile, the profiling that the police would have to do, it is required for us to be able to solve.
14:49It is not done in a negative light.
14:51But with regards to the non-nationals who may be committing offenses, our partnership with the Immigration Department, that is one of our greatest assets.
15:01Because they provide us with the knowledge and know-how to take the fight to those persons, to identify those persons.
15:09Because they are people like any other.
15:12They would have their little cliques.
15:14They would have their little communities where they would operate from.
15:19So like any village in Trinidad where a criminal or person bent on criminal activity would be there, there will be somebody within that village.
15:29Even though everyone else might be afraid to tell us or they might be complicit in their activities, there will always be that one person who is willing to do the right thing and come to us.
15:42And that is what we are depending on together with all the other methods of investigating that we have.
15:49We also depend on the human aspect of intelligence.
15:52And we have had instances where crimes were solved where persons from the very communities where these persons exist would have come to the Immigration Department or the police and they would have told their side of the story.
16:05So working with the Immigration Department, how are they able to assist you all?
16:09Because they will have the information more so for persons who have their permits and being here in the country and being able to work.
16:18And if they are committing any criminal activities, at least you all will be able to connect the dots.
16:23And it will definitely be harder for persons who came in illegally because there is no identification.
16:28There is no way of identifying these individuals.
16:30But how is that relationship really working with the immigration, with you all, with the TTPS?
16:35I think it works very well with me.
16:37We actually have police officers who are directly attached to the Immigration Department.
16:41So when there is an exercise, we call it an exercise to treat with immigrants, we have police officers on board, front and center with the immigration officers.
16:51They share information, they correlate what the immigration officers would have, what the police would have, and they put that information together to create and to structure an operation that will be strategic and clinical to achieve the best outcome.
17:07Okay, so we're seeing the different agencies working together.
17:12And what is so different with the Southern Division though?
17:15Because it seems like the way in which you all operate and initiatives that you all are using is assisting the way in which you all police compared to some of the other divisions.
17:27I'm not saying one division is better than the other, but it is almost giving that you all are getting the hang of the control of what is taking place in the different areas within that subdivision in the southern side of the country.
17:38Well, Whitney, to be frank about how we are able to achieve what we are achieving, I put that squarely on the culture of the Southern Division.
17:50We see ourselves as a big village, so that we have been implementing policies from a preventative aspect first and foremost, then we look at the other aspects of it.
18:03And we try to partner with the members of the public so as to ensure there is no big gap between civilian and police.
18:13Because at the end of the day, the police do not police in a vacuum. We police communities, households, villages, and towns.
18:23And any time the police loses that, then we have lost the fight.
18:29How do you feel when you hear, I don't know if you've ever heard that, the conversation or the groan, just don't ever get arrested in any part of south because the south police, they don't play?
18:39Most definitely.
18:41Is that true? That's a true saying?
18:42Of course it is. Once you cross the Keroni Bridge, have your passport stamped.
18:46And don't be doing anything illegal.
18:48That's right.
18:49And it doesn't matter what status you may have, what background, how much money it is, you're breaking the law, we'll deal with it accordingly.
18:57I think I have the support of the ACP South Central, the Senior Sub-Southern Division, and the Office of the Commissioner when I say zero tolerance means zero tolerance.
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20:43And we are back. Corporal Ramanan is with us this evening, representing the Southern Division.
21:01Remember, you can give us a call at 623-1711, extension 1992, 1993, and 1997.
21:08Now let's head to the southern side of what crime may look like in your division.
21:15Now, dealing with the crime issues, how are you all finding a way to combat that?
21:24Or what is the fight against crime looking like in your division?
21:29So the fight against crime, it takes a multifaceted approach.
21:35As I would have indicated earlier, we have things in place for a preventative approach.
21:42And where that fails, we have a very competent criminal investigations department and the task force.
21:51Not to take away from the charge room, because those officers are the front line in terms of engaging with members of the public.
21:59But we have very knowledgeable, experienced officers in these investigative units and the response units.
22:06And they play a pivotal role in taking the intelligence that is gathered from our gang units, the special branch, and other intelligence teams.
22:16And they take that information, which we culture into intelligence, which we then change into evidence.
22:27Because evidence is what you want to go to court with.
22:30And they have been doing it consistently, even though there are times when it feels as if the fight is becoming overwhelming.
22:39I must say, our officers in these units have consistently held their head up, they put their feet to the asphalt,
22:47and they have taken the fight to the criminals and would-be criminals.
22:51What is the relationship like with the members or the citizens in the southern area, with the TTPS?
22:58The relationship, for the greater part, is pretty good.
23:02We have engaged the members of the public by virtue of several methods.
23:07One of our main methods that we would have engaged them is through the creation of station councils.
23:14What is that?
23:15The station council is a public and police partnership, meaning that members of the public who are of a particular standing,
23:23not meaning financially, but meaning of a good character, they would partner with the police,
23:29and we would engage in reaching out to members of the public through town meetings, through social interventions,
23:38through assisting needy persons in the towns or the communities to help them to get off their feet by whatever means.
23:48More importantly, it's not a handout we give them, it's not a one-time thing.
23:55What we try to do is engage with the at-risk persons in the communities to help them become self-sufficient.
24:02So that's one aspect.
24:04Yeah, it's not that we are just giving handouts and spoiling.
24:08No, no, no. We will give them something when…
24:10No, but you are assisting to make them better in the long run, it's not a short-term situation.
24:15Now, I want to head to your division where Gamblin' Pro was shot dead outside a casino,
24:20and we showed this video yesterday, but we will repeat it again,
24:23and I know you can't give too much info on that because the investigation is continuing,
24:28and it is the same where we saw the incident that happened with the nurse where she was gunned down.
24:33And is it that we are seeing more hits, taking place, direct hits on individuals in your division?
24:40Because of, I guess, I'm not sure, I'm guessing here,
24:43may have been personal issues with other individuals and it caused, obviously, this reaction that we're seeing now.
24:51Well, we need to be pretty honest with you here now.
24:55We use the term hit and it's a layperson's term to use the term hit-style killing.
25:00The Homicide Department is presently engaged in those two incidents that you spoke about.
25:05So, as indicated, I wouldn't go too in-depth as to what it is,
25:09but I can say the Homicide Department is being very cautious in its approach
25:16to how they treat with the information that is coming in,
25:19because they have quite an uphill task in separating what's fact and what's fiction.
25:25In particular, the nurse killing.
25:28It was shrouded in a lot of controversy, a lot of videos emanated, stories emanated,
25:36and, you know, it is easy to muddle fiction with fact in those circumstances.
25:43But the persons in charge of the Homicide Region 3, which falls under Southern Division,
25:50they are very competent in dealing with that.
25:52They have a wealth of experience, and I have no doubt that,
25:56whilst it may seem that the killings have gone, the investigations have gone quiet,
26:01I can guarantee you that their style of investigation, whilst it may take a little more time,
26:07is very thorough.
26:09And when they bring a matter to the court, it is but a mere formality that it will go the distance.
26:15As you mentioned before earlier in the show, when we spoke about gathering the evidence
26:20and what you're all doing with the sufficiency hearing.
26:25That's correct.
26:26I'll learn as I go along here, so bear with me a little bit.
26:29But yeah, it is when you gather all the information and evidence,
26:34and then when you go before the court, it is easy to have a proper trial.
26:38As we say, a speedy trial, but it's not really speedy,
26:41but it will be able to deal with the matter as swiftly as possible.
26:44That is correct.
26:46So this is something that is very interesting and I'm learning here,
26:50and I hope the public understands that as well when it comes to,
26:54I know sometimes you want things done immediately,
26:57and if they don't have the evidence, they wouldn't be able to then prosecute someone.
27:03That's correct.
27:04So it's not by guess or feeling, or I thought this was the man or woman,
27:08because you could put somebody who is innocent in a position where they're incarcerated.
27:13And that is very important to note,
27:15because sometimes the sentences for these offenses are very, very harsh.
27:23And we don't want to put persons who may be innocent at the risk of being incarcerated
27:30for a protracted period only to be told after 10 years that, you know what, we make a mistake.
27:38And that's terrible.
27:39That's horrible.
27:40Yeah, we don't want that at all.
27:42I know you mentioned when we were speaking off here of the Intervention Council,
27:47and that is where the station is involved heavily.
27:51How does that work with the community, the intervention?
27:54Is it dealing with matters of the community from domestic violence to persons who have addictions?
28:02How does that really work in the capacity of intervention?
28:06Right.
28:07So the station council is the foremost partnership with the members of the public
28:13and the police in the district.
28:15So I will speak to the Princess Town Station Council specifically because I am part of that council.
28:19Okay.
28:20What the station council would have done is they would have reached out to the communities
28:25within the district of Princess Town.
28:28We would have met with the public.
28:30We would have spoken to them and advised them as to what it is our function is
28:35to try to create that network between the law-abiding citizens
28:40so that they now become extra eyes on the ground.
28:45It is not to be mistaken for vigilante justice.
28:48Okay.
28:49We create WhatsApp groups with upstanding citizens in those communities
28:54where information could be shared real time when crimes occur or when incidents occur
28:59so that the police could get the information in as quick a time as possible
29:04so as to implement an intervention in terms of a response.
29:08So again, we do not ask and we specifically state that we do not want the members of the public
29:15to be driving around with pitchforks and torches as vigilantes.
29:19Yes.
29:20That would be...
29:21You put yourself in hot water.
29:22That could have some disastrous effects.
29:24You will end up on the other side of the law.
29:26But right now, I am seeing that there are over 50 watch groups in the Princess Town district alone.
29:35Most of them are very active.
29:38The president of the station council engages with them on a regular basis.
29:42We have meetings on a regular basis to update each other about what is taking place.
29:48Whilst the police can't divulge all of our operational aspects to the members of the public,
29:54that little relationship that we have has done wonders for the relationship
29:59between the members of the public and the police that is supposed to police them.
30:03Yes.
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32:03And we are back.
32:04Corporal Ramanan with us here this evening.
32:07And remember, you could give us a call at 623-1711, extension 1992, 1993, and 1997.
32:14Now, we're speaking of different crimes that take place throughout the country.
32:17But I know we are focusing more because your division is the Southern Division.
32:21What about the scams that we're seeing happening
32:24through online scams taking place throughout the country?
32:28Do you have any issues like that in your division?
32:30And also the investment fraud scams that we see taking place as well?
32:34Yes. With me, unfortunately, we do.
32:38We do have them occurring in the Southern Division.
32:41Not to a great extent, but it exists.
32:44With respect to the Facebook marketplace scams,
32:49I would have seen quite a reduction.
32:51There were some pretty, I don't want to say silly,
32:57scams that took place that people would have fell for.
33:00I don't want people to think that we look at them as victims being silly.
33:04But there's an old saying that if it looks too good to be true...
33:09It is.
33:10It probably is.
33:11Thankfully, there have not been persons hurt physically in these scams.
33:16Only their bank accounts.
33:17Just their bank accounts.
33:18And when the scam value is over a certain amount,
33:24it will go to the fraud squad for investigation.
33:27And other than that, the division will deal with the scams.
33:31We have officers who are trained in cyber investigations
33:37who would assist and we do make inroads into the persons
33:42who would be perpetrating these offenses.
33:44Are you seeing more of persons committing crimes in the Southern Division
33:50that comes from different areas or is it more internal?
33:54We have definitely seen a migration of crimes, so to speak.
33:58We have had solved several serious crimes,
34:04including what the public would deem home invasions,
34:08which we would deem either burglary, housebreaking, and lastly robberies, etc.
34:12Where the accused persons were found to have addresses
34:17in the northern part of the country or central, as the case may be.
34:22So there is a clear collaboration between persons within Southern Division
34:29and persons who have a similar criminal intent from other places.
34:34And that being the case, they are networking.
34:38And if we don't network also, we run the risk of losing the fight.
34:44But we have been consistent with our network with other divisions
34:48where we circulate these persons when they are found
34:51and also when they are stopped in roadblocks.
34:55And as the case may be, we take the information
34:58and this information tends to create a sort of a map for their movements.
35:05And that assists us in the investigation.
35:08So yeah, we do have persons coming from out of the division, so to speak.
35:12And as you indicated earlier, we pick up on them.
35:15Quickly, especially if it is not stamped.
35:18If it's not stamped.
35:19The legal stamps of the passports are not being stamped.
35:21That's correct.
35:22Yeah?
35:23You have to get a stamp.
35:24So I have noticed many times when I visit the southern side,
35:28I may not go very deep into south, but I see a lot of police presence.
35:33And I know the cry sometimes within the TTPS is that
35:39they may not have enough vehicles and demand power needed
35:43to do a lot of the patrols or exercises that is necessary.
35:49But with my opinion, from what I have observed,
35:53is that I am seeing, regardless of where I go,
35:56from the malls on the highways, we see, or I see,
35:59a lot of police vehicles being placed in different areas
36:03and sometimes doing a lot of patrols.
36:06How are you able to do that with the demand power issue
36:10that you are all faced with?
36:11Well, Whitney, that is a combined effort between the vision
36:16of the head of the division, Mr. Sudin, and the resolve of the officers.
36:22Now, one key feature that I would say is that we have a lot of officers
36:26attached to the division who live in the division also.
36:29Okay.
36:30They live in the districts that the police.
36:32So it makes it, it creates much more of an incentive
36:37to have that place safe.
36:39So what we do is, where resources may be lacking in one way,
36:45we make up for it in a changing strategy.
36:48So the strategies that we are adopting,
36:51it is geared towards ensuring at all points in time
36:56we create that net of security across the division.
37:00So that is what I'm seeing, that is what I'm witnessing,
37:04and that is because the officers are putting all hands on deck
37:07to assist in trying to make the areas a bit safer.
37:11As hard as it is, several times we would have heard officers
37:16complain about the hours having to be called out,
37:19having to work extra hours.
37:22They may complain, but they come out.
37:25How are they dealing with the no vacation, no leave right now?
37:30Because you need everyone on board with the crime situation that we're faced with.
37:35I know they're human, they're human beings.
37:37I don't put you on the spot to expose your fellow officers.
37:42But how are you all dealing with it?
37:44There's no sleep, I'm seeing it, I'm definitely seeing it.
37:48There are those who may have commitments
37:51that the announcement came as a thief in the night,
37:55but they also understand that they have a larger obligation
37:59and an oath that they took to uphold law.
38:02And sometimes during the course of your tenure as a police officer,
38:07you would see that you will be called upon to give that extra,
38:12and it may seemingly appear to be without reward.
38:16But the rewards are there.
38:18The reward is there when a member of the public could look at you and say,
38:23Son, thanks.
38:25The reward is there when you could see that you would have assisted someone
38:29on the street there who may have been a victim of something.
38:32And sometimes it is there when somebody just needed to tell you their story.
38:37And that will motivate you to push through even harder.
38:40That's correct.
38:41Are you all faced with any challenges when it comes to crime in the division?
38:45One that is like a tick that just, every time you try to deal with it,
38:50it seems like an uphill battle.
38:53Well, I would say we would have seen a lot of home invasions,
38:58as we would say home invasions, but in particular areas in the division.
39:03I would also say that having seen it, we would have noted the pattern.
39:07Please don't say.
39:09We don't want to know.
39:11And we are utilizing all the information that we have.
39:15I always engage with the investigative units, the CID and other units.
39:20We have one-on-one conversations, and we look at what's taking place
39:25and how we could go about treating with it.
39:27Because at the end of the day, whilst they would go out there,
39:30I would want to ensure that what they're doing crosses a legal threshold
39:34so that we could secure conviction.
39:37I would laser them on a regular basis to see how best we could treat it.
39:42So we have the information that is required,
39:45but it takes some time and collating everything to make it make sense.
39:49Yes. All right. We have to take a break.
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41:17A message from the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
41:32And we are back.
41:35Just some quick information for our citizens out there.
41:38It doesn't matter where you may be in different areas of Trinidad and Tobago.
41:42This is your opportunity to show up and get some information and assistance if need be.
41:46Now, the Community Justice Clinic, the community-oriented policing project,
41:50they will be at the Northeastern Division,
41:54and that is on Saturday, the 27th of July.
41:57That is this Saturday, from 8 a.m. to 1 p.m.
42:01For more information, you could call 480-1421,
42:05and that is at the Mover Police Youth Club,
42:08number 1, Dos Santos Street, Mover.
42:11So you could get free, confidential, legal advice.
42:15Speak to an attorney on private and civil matters,
42:18such as domestic violence, matrimonial grievances,
42:23divorce, custody access, and maintenance.
42:26And not forgetting as well, the North or the Northern Division,
42:31they have their Community Justice Clinic,
42:33with the same advice that you could get, as I mentioned before.
42:37And this is also on Saturday, at 8 a.m. to 1 p.m.,
42:41at the La Joquita Regional Complex, Phase 2, La Joquita.
42:45And for more information, you could call 480-1421,
42:49or you could also go on the website, www.ttps.gov.tt,
42:55or the Police Service TT Facebook page,
42:59and the other social media, from X, which was once Twitter,
43:04Instagram, and YouTube, that is TT Police Service,
43:08the Community Justice Clinic, that is on this Saturday,
43:11at the Northern Division and the Northeastern Division.
43:15So take advantage of it.
43:16I know many persons, you may not be able to afford, you know,
43:20an attorney and getting legal advice,
43:22and it is a bit difficult at times when you're seeking justice.
43:25So this could be a great opportunity to see where you could start
43:29and receive legal aid as well from the state.
43:32So, Whitney, let me just stop you there.
43:36Everything that you said there is correct, except the last part.
43:39Okay.
43:40So let me just address that.
43:41Legal aid is a separate entity from the Justice Clinic.
43:46But I can attest to everything that you said, because it is factually so.
43:50I was part of the program with Senior Superintendent Pierre
43:55and the civilian attorneys who have spearheaded this program.
43:59And I can tell you, in the Southern Division, when they had the clinic,
44:02it was one of the largest turnouts that we would have seen.
44:05And also, it created a platform where the issues that they face,
44:11as you correctly said, legal advice can sometimes be very expensive.
44:16And sometimes the issue that they face is something that the police could deal with.
44:21Okay.
44:22So there is that intervention there where they could assist.
44:26And the team of attorneys, Whitney, believe you me,
44:31they are very much in tune with what they are supposed to do.
44:34They are very skilled in their fields,
44:36and they provide the best possible advice in the forum that they have it to do.
44:42As I mentioned, the legal aid side of it,
44:44you know, that is to assist persons who may need or be in need of an attorney,
44:49and they can't afford an attorney.
44:50That's where the state steps in.
44:51Yes.
44:52But would this clinic also pass on that information
44:56if persons may need an attorney to deal with a matter?
44:59Of course.
45:00So one of the attorneys that would assist in this,
45:03who would have spearheaded this, Sergina Kadir,
45:06she would have went so far.
45:08And the last time that I would have engaged with her,
45:12who had particular matters of a familial nature,
45:16they would treat with it on a pro bono basis.
45:20Of course, they would have to pass some sort of threshold test.
45:24But needless to say, even if they can't do the matter to the end pro bono,
45:29they also provide persons with the know-how
45:34in going about getting things like protection orders.
45:37They advise them.
45:38They show them step-by-step what is required,
45:42who has the relationship that is recognized under the Domestic Violence Act
45:47to get a protection order and things like that.
45:49So the information that comes from this clinic
45:52is a wealth of information you can get from this clinic.
45:54So I strongly urge residents for those two areas to take advantage of it.
45:59It is very important.
46:01Now, in your face policing, we mentioned this many times on the show,
46:04how is that working for the Southern Division?
46:07You know, the presence of the roadblocks,
46:10and persons see it as an inconvenience,
46:13and you should be running down the criminals.
46:15But how is that working in your division?
46:17In your face policing, I'm not sure who dubbed it that,
46:20but as I would have indicated,
46:24every operation that takes place, I would say in Southern Division,
46:28again, because I speak to the division,
46:31it is premised on a larger picture.
46:34So whilst members of the public, the traveling public,
46:37will see the roadblocks on the street,
46:39what they are unaware of
46:42are other operations running simultaneously
46:46which are geared towards other outcomes.
46:49Each function has its own importance
46:55in the general fight against crime.
46:58And if we allow small offenses to pass,
47:02we will simply be spinning top in mud.
47:06Because when we put all our focus on the larger offenses,
47:11we allow a larger cross-section of the country
47:14to be affected by smaller offenses.
47:17So I am saying that whilst it does create quite an inconvenience
47:21to the low-abiding citizens,
47:24we ask that they understand
47:27that it is all geared towards a much larger picture.
47:32It is part of the holistic approach to crime fighting
47:35that we have adopted,
47:38the violent crime reduction initiative
47:41that the Office of the Commissioner would have implemented
47:44with her executive.
47:46That is something that is engaging our division at pace.
47:49Our gang units, our divisional CID, our task force,
47:54they are engaging that head-on.
47:56And whilst we can't speak to some of the operations
47:59that they would engage,
48:00I can tell you as the legal officer for that division,
48:03we have been seeing the fruits coming from those operations
48:07that might be a little more clandestine
48:09than what we see in your face, the traffic exercise.
48:13All right.
48:15So Jackie, give me that number again for those...
48:19All right.
48:20So persons who are trying to call this show,
48:22you have the opportunity to call on this line,
48:24299-0047, extension 1992, 1993, and 1997.
48:31Again, I'll repeat the number, 299-0047,
48:35and the extensions are, sorry, 1992, 1993, and 1997.
48:42Corporal, how are you all dealing with gang violence
48:46in the Southern Division, if there's any at all?
48:50Yes.
48:51Gang violence is always an issue,
48:53any part of the country that you go to.
48:55Whilst we don't have the structured
48:57or a large influence of the structured ones
49:00that you would hear about daily,
49:02the sixes, the sevens, the eights, the nines, and what have you,
49:05we have small groups of persons
49:08that are gathering themselves in a particular way.
49:12We treat them like kidney stones.
49:17We shatter those groupings.
49:19I'm not going to put that out there to the public
49:21if they understand how you treat kidney stones.
49:23It is very...
49:25Yes.
49:27Our operations are geared towards shattering those organizations
49:31before they have the opportunity to take root in the communities.
49:36That is one of the reasons why you will not hear about extortion
49:41coming from the Southern Division.
49:43The proactive approach that we have,
49:45we intervene as soon as we note
49:48that there's some relation between particular persons
49:51that may form a group,
49:53we intervene at that stage.
49:55And we take all the necessary legal steps
49:58to treat them like a kidney stone
50:00and shatter that organization
50:02to prevent any further encroachment
50:05into the law-abiding citizens of that community's lives.
50:08This is a serious situation that we are faced with,
50:11and I know the gang violence continues to run rampant
50:15throughout our country,
50:17and as the corporal said, he's dealing with it as a...?
50:20Kidney stone.
50:22All right. So we need to take that break.
50:24When we come back, we'll continue with more.
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52:25And we are back.
52:26We are in our final segment
52:27before we close things off.
52:28So, Corporal Ramanan,
52:29you have the opportunity
52:30to speak to the public at this time.
52:32Yes.
52:33Trinidad and Tobago,
52:35I want you all to rest assured
52:37that the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service
52:39being the foremost agency
52:42in the fight against crime,
52:44we need to understand something.
52:46We need to understand each other.
52:48We need to understand each other.
52:50We need to understand each other.
52:52And the only way we could do that
52:54is if we share that knowledge
52:57that you would have
52:58with us and with you.
53:02Criminals do not exist in a vacuum.
53:05They do not come from some magical place
53:07that doesn't exist where we live.
53:09They come from the very communities
53:11that we live in
53:12and that we police.
53:13Police officers are human beings
53:16and we also live in those communities.
53:19The relationship between us
53:21must be symbiotic.
53:23There must be some stopping point
53:26where the right-minded citizens
53:29will stand up and say to the criminal element,
53:32I've had enough.
53:34I am not taking this.
53:36I am going to get the information
53:38to the relevant persons
53:40to take action.
53:42The concerns that you may have,
53:44I am sure you are correcting your concerns.
53:49Because I myself may have had interactions
53:52with police officers
53:53which was not the best.
53:55But each family here,
53:57I am sure,
53:58would know a police officer
53:59who they can trust.
54:01And those are the persons
54:02that you have to look at.
54:03Because like any other entity,
54:06there would be persons
54:09who are not of the best character.
54:11And we are trying very hard
54:12and diligently to minimize that.
54:15Because when we do not command
54:18the respect of the public,
54:20then we could definitely say
54:22we are policing in a vacuum.
54:24And that ought not to be the situation.
54:27Although there is a community policing section
54:29within the TTPS,
54:31we are all community police officers.
54:33Because we all come from communities
54:35and we police communities.
54:38Take the advice from the officers.
54:40We have senior officers
54:41who are coming out there in town meetings
54:44and in other forums
54:45which they address members of the public.
54:48Our senior superintendent
54:49freely gives his phone number
54:51to all members of the public
54:52to communicate with him.
54:54My office is always open
54:56and I always share information with persons
54:58in so much as I could do.
55:01At this stage,
55:02I take this opportunity
55:04to advise you all
55:05that in your comings and goings,
55:07try to make yourself a hard target.
55:10Do not make it easy
55:11for the criminal elements
55:12to take advantage of us.
55:15As unfortunate as it might seem,
55:17we are no longer in the old time days.
55:20Things have changed substantially
55:22and we also have to change
55:24in order to meet the threat
55:26that is posed to us,
55:28the law-abiding citizens,
55:30by those who are out there
55:32with criminal intent.
55:34Yeah.
55:35Corporal,
55:36now,
55:37I know you with the division,
55:39the Southern Division is huge,
55:40and if persons may have information
55:42or want to contact anyone
55:44because it's an open-door policy,
55:46what are some of the numbers
55:47that you could advise persons
55:49to reach out to
55:50to communicate and give information
55:53or seek some sort of advice
55:55to deal with matters
55:57that they may be faced with?
55:59So, I don't have the office number
56:01for the senior superintendent,
56:03but there are numbers.
56:04You could call the stations in the district
56:09that concern you.
56:10If you are not getting through
56:11with those stations,
56:12you could call the 999.
56:14There's also the option
56:15to communicate via 555
56:16to pass on information.
56:18And you could also feel free
56:20to go through the Crime Stoppers
56:22or walk into your nearest station.
56:25In as much as it may seem a bit tedious,
56:29walk into the station
56:31and ask to talk to the senior officer.
56:33All the senior officer and divisional,
56:36the station commanders,
56:38have been mandated
56:39by the divisional commander
56:42to engage members of the public
56:44should they have concerns
56:45with going to the officers on the ground.
56:48And that is something
56:49that we implemented
56:50and we maintain to this day.
56:52You can walk into any police station
56:54and speak to the senior officer
56:55who is present at the time.
56:57And there is also
56:58an upward movement in rank
57:00that if you are not satisfied
57:02with what one officer tells you,
57:04you can go to the higher rank
57:06and try to get some sort of result.
57:08Thank you so much.
57:09We'd like to thank you so much,
57:11Corporal Kegan Ramanan.
57:13Regan.
57:14Regan Ramanan,
57:15the attorney at law
57:16from the Southern Division.
57:17And also in the capacity
57:18of making sure that you are there
57:20not just as a police officer
57:22and also attorney,
57:23but just as a human being
57:24trying to help and assist others.
57:26And your division to them
57:27continue doing the fabulous job
57:29that you are doing
57:30and make sure and have your passport stamped
57:32when you're heading
57:33in the Southern Division.
57:34We're getting ready for your news
57:35coming up next at 7 p.m.
57:37TNT always remember,
57:38be pure and just
57:39and have God in your life
57:40no matter what.
57:41We're out.
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