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00:00Meanwhile, there are 25 fallacies they used against people from being stans.
00:05I'm not going to show you the exact things they've said that caused them to qualify because it takes forever,
00:10and it takes seconds to find game purists on everything from Tumblr and Reddit to anti-Sally groups on DeviantArt,
00:17and a few people would waste their time calling them out on it if I gave enough exact quotes.
00:22Well, these are not inherent to being a Sega Japan-only authoritarian member of the misnamed fandom,
00:28and are really just about being a stan.
00:30An overly emotional, immature, defensive egotist who can't take people saying even one true criticism of what he likes
00:37and resorts to demonization and blocking.
00:40How is it possible to be a game purist, someone who thinks different to bad, enrages about every adaptational difference,
00:48and not be a stan for what you prefer?
00:51They act like they think divergence from the norm is an aberration and not innovation.
00:57Even though art for millennia has always been about subverting expectations.
01:02So thinking different is always bad, just because you have a natural gut, knee-jerk reaction to it at first,
01:10that you have to get used to.
01:12It's emotional, cowardly, and childish as a result,
01:16and raging about it every time is overly emotional, and thus childish.
01:21Ad hoc.
01:24An explanation of why a particular thing may be the case is substituted for an argument as to why it is,
01:30which can be detected by the uses of the words might, maybe, probably, possibly, and could,
01:36but an arrogant arguer will not even use those.
01:40Them assuming that everyone who makes adaptations must hate or at least not respect the source material falls under this.
01:46And them assuming any adaptation fan does.
01:51Not to say any argument that falls under this can't be right.
01:54Rather, if that's the only evidence, then it's less likely to be right,
01:59and the fallacy is insisting that it definitely is.
02:02Game players do this in defense of the games, because they'll defend anything about them.
02:07Tails wasn't an egotistical lost world.
02:10He was only pretending to be when he was bragging about himself.
02:13At least I assume that's why he said no he wasn't, otherwise he'd have no argument.
02:19This was never proven true in the story.
02:21It was never referred back to.
02:24And the same argument could be applied to Sonic himself.
02:27They do this because the reason they hate other continuities so much is because they're stan to the games,
02:34who inherently can't respect other people's opinions.
02:38And that sensitivity caused them to perceive any adaptational difference as intentional criticism.
02:44Ad hominems.
02:46Game peers always deal in this when going out of their way to insult people who talk about other continuities positively online.
02:53They're like, you just hate the games.
02:57Anyone who likes Surge is obviously a simpforer because he's a stan of the comic.
03:02They'll see anyone who compliments AEW and say to them the literal line,
03:06thanks for telling me you hate the games.
03:09Which is always responded with, no I don't.
03:12Or best of all, did anyone tell you that you can like different things for different reasons?
03:18Yeah, like different franchises.
03:21The fallacy is the insult doesn't refute the point they wanted to refute.
03:25The point the other person made about the difference or adaptation being good.
03:29It just conveniently avoids thinking about how perhaps it may be good.
03:33Someone can hate the source material and still be right that an adaptation or its difference is good.
03:39So it's an irrelevant thesis.
03:41Similarly, them just attacking the other continuities of a series saying they're bad or garbage doesn't prove their point.
03:48It doesn't prove their point about being a canon fascist being the way to go either.
03:53It's an ad hominem.
03:55There are so many fallacies associated with this you must hate the games and any fan of an adaptation is no true fan.
04:03Or anyone who insults the games once isn't a fan.
04:07Then I'm gonna have to put them all under this one category right here and count them all because it'd be repetitive other words.
04:14Any fallacy listed after this that has nothing after its name is here because of one of those things they say.
04:21Anecdotal fallacy.
04:23X happens to me or someone else so the statistics are wrong.
04:26It happens all the time.
04:28Bulverism is a logical fallacy in which one party simply assumes that the other party is wrong and explains the other party's reasons for wanting to believe it rather than addressing the argument itself.
04:40It combines begging the question with the genetic fallacy.
04:44Wikipedia expresses vulvarism as, you claim that A is true.
04:49Because of B, you personally desire that A should be true.
04:52Therefore, A is false.
04:55Proof by Examples.
04:57Also called an inappropriate or hasty generalization.
05:01This fallacy happens when someone takes one or more non-exhaustive examples from a group that have a property,
05:07and makes it a generalization that everything in that group has that property.
05:11The strawman fallacy happens when a debater constructs a more easily defeated version of their opponent's position to attack.
05:18I'm listing this here because while we all think we know what strawman means,
05:23there's way too many people that say strawman every time someone ridicules their argument.
05:29Even if it's ridiculing it by literally saying what they've said they believe.
05:34Or just taking their belief to its logical extreme and exposing that they'd be a hypocrite if they didn't believe that as well.
05:41You can always tell someone's childish by whether they wrongfully think they're being strawmaned by people pointing out literally what they've said and what the accurate implications of that are.
05:52The toupee fallacy is when a debater claims that all examples of a subject confirm to a specific quality because they've never seen one that hadn't.
06:02Ignoring that any examples they did see that didn't have that quality, they didn't recognize as examples.
06:09The broken record. If you repeat the same point over and over again, you win.
06:14Because obviously, the other side didn't address it if you won't shut up about it.
06:19Extra effective if you keep repeating a catchy soundbite or buzzword.
06:25Like, just say you hate the games and go.
06:28Converse error.
06:30Part of correlation does not imply causation.
06:34Concluding that a certain set of results can only come from one set of circumstances.
06:39If A, then B.
06:41B.
06:42Therefore A.
06:43So if adaptation fan, then game hater.
06:46Now see how it comes off when you pretend they're saying an unacceptable target in place of adaptation fan.
06:53Here is also an example of deliberate ignorance.
06:56When told by someone who says twice in the same post that he loves SE2 that the Sonic 3 movie shouldn't have been identical to SE2 because showing the characters going through all the levels identically would have dragged on forever and been boring.
07:11Which isn't even necessarily saying that you want it to not be 99% like the game.
07:16A game purist didn't address that point.
07:19Instead he accused him of saying that he thinks SE2 is bad and garbage despite him saying he loved it twice in that post.
07:27The point he actually made wasn't refuted.
07:30Because it can't be.
07:32It's so much easier to make up a blatant lie out of thin air to refute.
07:37They repeat this delusion ad nauseum hoping it'll get convincing if they say it enough.
07:42It's really the game purists that are strawmanning people.
07:45However, it's more often used to get the audience on one side than it is to confuse the opponent.
07:51Especially when it's coupled with an ad hominem implying that the opponent is immoral for holding the strawman position.
07:58These people literally say they hate anyone who likes the adaptations.
08:04Granted, I'm only talking about one game purist here.
08:08It'd be the anecdotal fallacy to apply that to all of them.
08:11Most of them might still hold this fallacy.
08:13But at least I said might.
08:15I could name another game purist who says he doesn't hate fans of adaptations.
08:20He just hates that they say when they're better than the games.
08:23And that logic itself is bad because when an adaptation does do better.
08:28Who's to say people should have their freedom of speech restricted when it comes to pointing that out or else lose faith to you?
08:34They should get to it because it makes them happy and isn't hurting anything.
08:38So what if a tiny amount of people can't handle that?
08:41That even applies to if they're wrong about a difference being good.
08:44But when they're wrong, it's okay to be annoyed at that.
08:47A lot of times, how can you not say something's better than the games when you like the idea?
08:53And it's difficult to figure out if one idea is better than the other when you're presented with two different good ideas.
09:01Maybe that's why they get so defensive.
09:03They're like, oh you like it, that must mean you think it's better.
09:06I can't accept that.
09:08That would be insulting the games.
09:10Red Herring.
09:11In Logic, a fallacy of distraction where an irrelevant side argument is introduced in an attempt to draw the opponent away from their main work.
09:21Affirming the Consequent.
09:23If my car was a Ferrari, it could travel at over 100 miles per hour.
09:28Therefore, it must be a Ferrari.
09:31The fallacy is that it's never proven that A is the only possible cause of B being true.
09:36If Trip was the last of her kind, she'd be like Knuckles.
09:40She's like Knuckles by being the only guardian of a magical gem.
09:43Therefore, she must be the last of her kind.
09:46So fuck IDW for having other sungazers.
09:50Because that reminds me of Archie.
09:52Never mind her official character bio not confirming that.
09:55Never mind the manuals and wikis never confirming that.
09:58Never mind the fact that it's never the case that classic Sonic levels show NPCs in them either way.
10:04By the same evidence, you should assume Rouge is the last of her kind.
10:08You could look at Amy and say they'd never have any more hedgehogs after her and Sonic because those two used to be the only hedgehogs shown.
10:16The assumption was also from appeal to ignorance.
10:20The games didn't show other sungazers.
10:23That must mean they don't exist.
10:25The games don't show Sonic going to the toilet.
10:29That must mean he doesn't have to go.
10:31Sega didn't allow other echidnas to be in AW, but it allowed other sungazers.
10:37The most insulting thing is they know this is going to get told to them, but they still keep believing this.
10:43By the same logic that Sega not allowing something in AW means nothing.
10:48Chaos Shadow, the original plan for how Shadow would fight the Zombots by removing its bracelets, is canon to the games because Sega didn't allow it.
10:58Because they're arguing that it's the reverse.
11:01That if Sega allows something, it means absolutely nothing.
11:05It's also a result of denying the antecedent.
11:08If a person is wearing a hat, they have a head.
11:12I'm not wearing a hat.
11:14Therefore, I do not have a head.
11:16If there's other sungazers in the games, Trip isn't the last of her kind.
11:21They're not.
11:22Trip is the last of her kind.
11:24You can say the same about Vector.
11:26He has just as much evidence of it.
11:29There could still be a possibility that Trip's the last of her kind and Sega just doesn't give a shit what AW does with her, probably because they never planned to use her again.
11:37But it's extremely unlikely with all the evidence and fallacies against it.
11:41If they really cared about us thinking she's the last of her kind, they would have been a lot more obvious about establishing that in the game.
11:48They would have explained it in a future game.
11:51Which I guarantee you, even if they never explain it, you're never going to see the game peers admit they were wrong about this.
11:58Part of me wonders if they're just saying this because they want an excuse to insult Archie again.
12:05Maybe it's on a subconscious level.
12:07Anecdotal fallacy.
12:09Appeal to ridicule.
12:11It suggests the argument is false by presenting it in a way where it appears silly or trivial.
12:16This fallacy is a straw man or appeal to ignorance.
12:19According to quantum theory, an electron can be in two places at once.
12:23Have you ever heard anything so stupid?
12:26Game peers type out, the games have always been inconsistent, with alternating capitalization to mock people.
12:34How does that debunk that the games have always been inconsistent?
12:39The games have gone from a world with Casino Night Zone where you just walk down to pinball flippers to get to a slot machine to a more realistic world where in Casinopolis that doesn't happen.
12:49It went back for heroes and back to the real world for Shadow and back again Lost World.
12:55And that's not even getting into how inconsistent Sonic's character is.
12:58Is he humble or not humble?
13:01The games are so inconsistent that you've got groups of Sonic fans that have to pick a side.
13:06Because it would sound rather silly to be so defensive of the games that you defend both.
13:11When both can't be true.
13:13When it causes you to contradict yourself.
13:16This fallacy differs from reductio ad absurdum.
13:20Where it's demonstrated that an absurd conclusion naturally follows from the underlying logic of an opponent's argument.
13:26I've used this before.
13:28It was basically in my entire previous video.
13:30But any victims of this would erroneously claim they're being straw-made.
13:34A variation is argumentum ad lapidem.
13:38In which a statement dismissed is absurd but with no proof it's absurd.
13:43They do this anytime they're proven wrong and respond to it.
13:47There's many fallacies that fall under a relevant thesis where the arguer only thinks he refuted someone's opposing position.
13:54All appeals to consequences.
13:56All appeals to emotion.
13:58All straw men and red herrings.
14:01Ad baculum.
14:02Ad nauseam.
14:05And all ad hominous.
14:07Association fallacy.
14:09Claiming, X is a Y.
14:11X is also a Z.
14:13Therefore, Y is a Z.
14:16Incorporates guilt slash honor by association.
14:19Where it is asserted that relation to a good or bad thing means the associated thing is also good or bad.
14:25They've thought, Trip the Sungazer is a guardian of a magical gem on an island.
14:30Knuckles is that too.
14:32Therefore, Trip is the last of her kind too.
14:35He knows also a guardian of magical gems.
14:39Blaze the Kent.
14:41Boberism.
14:42Proof by examples.
14:44Another version of this fallacy is assuming that since having a little of something is good, having more must be better.
14:52Obviously, I'm quoting TV tropes with this, by the way.
14:56Game purists think that since having an adaptation containing the core elements of its source material is good, having it be almost nothing but stuff from the source material with nothing creative must be better.
15:09Therefore, they publicly shame anyone who points out that nothing but Sonic vs Eggman would get stale.
15:14Because that's insulting the games.
15:16Despite the common knowledge that eating enough of even your favorite food would get tiresome.
15:21This wasn't in the game purism fallacy video since purism is really about hatred of adaptations and the exclusion of anything that makes them special.
15:29Not just about saying that the more of something there is, the better.
15:32But the less of something alien to it, the better.
15:35It's the inverse.
15:37After all, again, they don't give a shit about the modern games being different from the classic ones.
15:44I already proved that purists aren't about love for the source.
15:47They're about trying to prove the stuff other than the source sucks, because they don't care if the source changes and downgrades.
15:54This is used when it comes to arguing with people that stuff like Sad AM should be identical, though.
15:59They'll even make up the blatant lie that it's not about what the games are about.
16:05Really.
16:06So the games aren't about Sonic ruining Eggman's plans.
16:11Eggman never polluted anything at any point in the games.
16:14They're not about nature versus technology.
16:17They're not about Eggman making innocent people have worse lives.
16:22There are so many more novels based on Sad AM than UK novels based on only the games.
16:28And clearly Sega keeps Sonic around to make money.
16:31So it's in its best interest to make as many fans happy as possible.
16:35Which would also be the ideal thing, because more people will be made happy, which is going to look good to anyone with compassion for the average person.
16:45As long as those people are going to go on to be loyal customers.
16:48Stolen concept.
16:50A fallacy in which one or more of the concepts or premises on which an argument depends are usually implicitly denied by the argument itself.
16:58Thus meaning the arguer is taking two or more opposed positions at the same time.
17:04I personally think it's completely fair to compare an adaptation to the source material.
17:09How dare you say this is better than the source material?
17:12Game purists do this with their preferential treatment to the source material.
17:16Which makes them look like hypocrites for contradicting what they've said.
17:20It's really that they use double standards.
17:23And they mock fans of adaptations because they can't take criticism.
17:28But anytime someone says an accurate criticism of what they like, they throw a hissy fit and block them.
17:34The root of most of the world's evil is people acting like the rules of morality don't apply to them.
17:39Hypocrisy is defined as claiming to have beliefs and values you don't.
17:44TV Tropes calls it, not practicing what you preach.
17:49They change their argument depending on what sounds persuasive.
17:53All they want to do is make reactionary outrage bait for fellow purists about adaptations when it comes to adaptations.
18:01Both fellow purists and people they're hoping to convert.
18:04Isn't their pride in acknowledging both good and bad to fully expose the truth?
18:10Then the audience will know what the extremely bad stories are by when there suddenly is a mere lack of compliments.
18:17The strawman fallacy.
18:19Toupee fallacy.
18:21Chewbacca defense is really a whole class of fallacies.
18:25Which is why it wasn't in that whole paragraph's worth them.
18:28Chewbacca defense is using non-sequitur arguments to prove a point.
18:33Relying on distracting and confusing the opposition.
18:37Winning a debate through methods other than logic and a reasoned argument.
18:42That's then when they jump to the conclusion that someone hates the games just because he likes an adaptation.
18:48The Chewbacca defense commonly relies on logical fallacies and insane rhetorical techniques.
18:54Like the false dichotomy.
18:57The ad hominem.
18:58The broken record.
19:00The false dichotomy.
19:02Claiming that only two often conflicting options exist.
19:07If the other side is wrong about anything, no matter how irrelevant, they're wrong about everything.
19:12And you're right about everything.
19:14This wreaks a desperation.
19:16Often their point would point out the problems with IDW is that because IDW's stance are wrong about it being a perfect comic that's well written overall.
19:26And wrong about Flynn being perfect.
19:28That proves all adaptations are bad and no one should like them.
19:32It's also called the black and white fallacy.
19:35And I've noticed that they think in black and white.
19:38It's why the worst post I've ever seen from one of them is in black and white on the right hand side in the thumbnail.
19:45You're not supposed to think in black and white as an adult.
19:49They called evil a canonically heroic canon foreigner position of power who doesn't think a game character is perfect and infallible.
19:58Like the non-game purists don't.
20:00Being in a tough situation where both decisions have bad outcomes.
20:04Even though that's inevitable for someone in a position of power.
20:08And by that logic every single one would be evil.
20:11They would call the character evil no matter which decision or judgment was made.
20:15Even when a judgment is for preventing the destruction of the entire world.
20:21Because that's not agreeing with Sonic.
20:23Who was risking it.
20:25They say Sally as a non-game purist and viewer every disagreement with a game character as her being uppity.
20:32When they think she should know her place.
20:34But they think Amy can disagree with Sonic all she wants because of her country of origin.
20:40Now these same people called Flynn a racist for having Missouri have a food shortage.
20:46Not just saying he wasn't creative.
20:48Not just saying he was doing that to be lazy.
20:50They went to the next level without having enough information.
20:54They insist that because Missouri had jars and bridges.
20:58It couldn't have possibly had a situation change with time.
21:02What about the Great Potato Famine?
21:04Even Ireland had a food shortage.
21:07And these people love to talk about Sonic Online to demonize people outside of their group.
21:12Calling them the right ring slang Taurus.
21:15For not knowing everything about the lore of the games.
21:18Or for disregarding it.
21:21But they were surprised to hear from Sage that Tails knew Sonic most of his life.
21:27Even though generations confirmed that the classic versions of the characters are 5 years younger.
21:348 minus 5 is 3.
21:37So he's known Sonic since he was 3.
21:40I figured this out before he saw any adaptations.
21:43Of course he knew him most of his life.
21:45But they'd insist this was just the writer making it like Archie.
21:49Because Flynn wrote it.
21:51And they haven't thought enough about the games they claim to like for the sake of their agenda.
21:55But liking games for just the gameplay isn't liking them as a whole.
21:59Games consist of story and music too.
22:02You're not a fan of something just because you like the gameplay and use it as an excuse to shit on people.
22:07Broken Record.
22:09One even admitted that he thinks all his problems with AW boiled down to.
22:15It's not exactly like the games.
22:17Which isn't even a true assessment of his complaining as a lot of their problems with it don't just have to do with inaccuracy.
22:23Such as slow pacing.
22:25Or the arguing that none of the stories in the games ever had a slow pacing.
22:30That they're all free of plot holes.
22:34Converse error.
22:36No true Scotsman.
22:38Aside from the obvious way they use it.
22:40I've seen the most extreme one of them say the actual Sonic franchise to mean just the games.
22:46Even though that ignores what franchise means.
22:49Cambridge Dictionary says.
22:51A series of films that have the same or similar titles.
22:55And are about the same characters.
22:57Sure not every character is identical to how they are in the source material.
23:01But the dictionary doesn't say there's an exception because of that.
23:04Everyone in the world acknowledges that Harry Potter books and movies are part of the same franchise.
23:10If the dictionary is not enough for you.
23:13Try profiting off a Sonic fan comic or fan fiction based on the alternate continuities.
23:18The fact that the fans trying to make Season 3 of Sad EM had to go through the proper legal channels.
23:25Should make it irrefutable that it'd be illegal to profit off any alternate Sonic continuity.
23:31Which would not be the case if Sega didn't see it as a part of the franchise.
23:36They made money off it.
23:38Sega wants to make as much money as possible.
23:41And thinks people thinking stuff is canon is good for business.
23:45And encourage or at least let Aaron whoever tweet everything is canon.
23:50Copyright Sega and characters owned by Sega are always in these adaptations in the credits.
23:57It goes without saying it's not just the games.
24:00Sonic is a multimedia franchise.
24:03But to claim something's only accurate because it's new or old is both appeal to novelty and appeal to tradition.
24:12They need to resort to this fallacy to claim they're still fans at all for keeping any chance of people listening to them.
24:18According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.
24:21Fan.
24:22Now.
24:23An enthusiastic devotee.
24:26As of a sport or performing art.
24:29Usually as a spectator.
24:312.
24:32An ardent admirer or enthusiast.
24:35As of a celebrity or pursuit.
24:38That's the opposite of someone who only likes a franchise for one aspect.
24:42Like the gameplay.
24:43Or hates 93% of a franchise.
24:45And usually only talks about it to trash most of it.
24:48And tends to compliment it just to use it as an excuse to trash other parts of it.
24:53True.
24:54The same applies to people who have almost nothing but complaints for the game's main cast and world building.
24:59And the way it handles stories nowadays.
25:01To the point of being bitter about them overall.
25:03But you're hardly going to find any adult not like that due to their egregious problems.
25:08So demonizing them isn't fair when they didn't make the games how they are.
25:13And they could be admirers of other parts of the franchises and enough quantities to make up for that in Sega's eyes for sure.
25:19Sega loves everyone who regularly gives them money.
25:22Anyone who truly cares for and understands Sega would know that.
25:26What's the difference if you only like the 90's and 2000's games?
25:31That's still a sizable chunk.
25:33And liking an adaptation and discussing it online means either way I get to hear someone discuss Sonic.
25:39So there's a reason they apply this fallacy to both the franchise and fans.
25:43Because it can only be right that bitter fans are haters if everything not the games is outside of the franchise.
25:51Imagine saying you have to be a fan of the current stuff to be a fan.
25:55What would that say about Star Wars fans?
25:58Red Heron.
26:00With us or against us.
26:02Assuming that not openly supporting one side means you oppose them.
26:07Or vice versa.
26:09But does it count as opposing them if I don't oppose them when it comes to their current bad continuities?
26:14They're almost the only ones I find complaining about them.
26:18They only piss me off with the well written ones.
26:21But those are usually either dead or entirely dead.
26:24You can't prove GamePure is wrong without them blocking you.
26:29And they see every SonicTuber in general as always wrong because they disagree with them and use their brains.
26:35Maybe it's because SonicTubers are actual fans.
26:39They also hate TV tropes.
26:41While it's a fan site.
26:44Of course anti-fans wouldn't be popular on them.
26:48You can't even compliment one of IDW's best characters without one of them saying you're a cultist instead of it.
26:55Cody Tang got called that.
26:57And here viewed most of the comic negatively.
27:00With this fallacy they're the ones exhibiting cult-like behavior.
27:04As Psycho the Frog put it.
27:06For someone who doesn't like most of the modern adaptations starting with the 2000s era.
27:11It's a little cathartic to see people who agree.
27:13But their main problem is.
27:15They heavily overreact to game inaccuracy.
27:18So even when you agree it starts being too grating to be worth it.
27:23A show should not be dead to you because of one minor detail that's hardly even used in it.
27:30The other big problem is.
27:31They can't get their demonization of Archie out of their IDW post sometimes.
27:36Now it'd be fine if they were talking about plot holes.
27:39But that's not what they talk about.
27:41Because that would require thinking.
27:43Archie and IDW have completely different appeals.
27:46And their fan bases mistreat each other.
27:48They have different characters and settings and history.
27:51So it's not hard to understand why they don't get along.
27:55But these people are dim enough to say that comics are the same.
27:59But the key difference in their appeal is Archie is creative.
28:03And IDW isn't.
28:05But with people who literally think creativity is bad.
28:09I should've expected them to be blind to what's good about Archie.
28:13Because creativity is the main appeal of Archie.
28:17More examples of fallacies game peers to use are from teachthought.com Master List of Fallacies.
28:25The Accident Fallacy.
28:27The Accident Fallacy refers to applying a generalization to a group where there are obvious exceptions.
28:32The Hero Busting Fallacy has also been selectively employed at the service of the Identity Fallacy.
28:38See below.
28:39To falsely prove that you cannot trust anyone but a member of our identity group.
28:44Since everyone else, even the so-called heroes or allies of other groups, are all racist or haters.
28:52Game peers literally accuse non-game peers of being Japanophobic just because of that.
28:57Identity Fallacy.
28:58In this fallacy, valid opposing evidence and arguments are brushed aside or othered without comment or consideration.
29:06As simply not worth arguing about solely because of the lack of proper background or ethos of the person making the argument.
29:12Or because the one arguing does not self-identify as a member of the in-group.
29:16An identity fallacy may lead to scorn or ejection of potentially useful allies, real or prospective.
29:24Because they are not of one's own identity.
29:27Game purists won't listen to anyone but game purists.
29:30And I bet even if a game purist did argue with another, he'd just call them a fake game purist.
29:36They certainly aren't open-minded enough to listen to Archie fans.
29:39Therefore, they scorn and reject even the ones who hate IDW Sonic.
29:45One of them literally called them the R-Word.
29:48This same fallacy is found in refusing to listen to accurate criticisms of Flynn's writing of late Archie Sonic.
29:54Simply because it comes from a member of the anti-Archie Sonic group.
29:58Which is really the anti-Mega Salliar group.
30:01Even despite not being able to disprove the truth of those criticisms.
30:05And moral licensing.
30:08The contemporary ethical fallacy that one's consistently moral life, good behavior, or recent extreme suffering or sacrifice,
30:15earns him or her the right to commit an immoral act without repercussions, consequences, or punishment.
30:21Their justification for having strictly negative postponed adaptation being the Templar takes for the adaptation.
30:27Even though they're unable to handle seeing negativity in any of the posts for the Sonic the Hedgehog tag,
30:32it's an excuse for sinking to their level.
30:35The same can be said about the fallacy Two Quokka.
30:38Also called Two Wrongs Make a Right.
30:41Here's every trope about self-righteousness they fall under.
30:46There's 45!
30:48While a few of these applying to someone isn't the end of the world.
30:51As it's impossible to not count as any of these.
30:54The point is the sheer amount they qualify as.
30:58Fandom.
31:00The Fundamentalist.
31:02The Gadfly.
31:04Hate Dumb.
31:06Fan Haters.
31:08Obsessively Normal.
31:10Principal Zealots.
31:13Single Issue Wonk.
31:16He Who Fights Monsters.
31:18Internet Jerk.
31:20Black and White Insanity.
31:22Moral Guardians.
31:24Necessarily Evil.
31:28Then Let Me Be Evil.
31:30Tautological Templar.
31:32Moral Myopia.
31:34Vocal Minority.
31:36Aggressive Categorism.
31:38Because I Said So.
31:40Blatant Lies.
31:42Brutal Honesty.
31:43Can't Take Criticism.
31:45Circular Reasoning.
31:47The Complainer Is Always Wrong.
31:49Die For A Ship.
31:51Double Standard.
31:53Double Think.
31:54Enemies Equals Greatness.
31:57Everything Is Racist Slash Opinion Override.
32:01False Dichotomy.
32:03Feeling Oppressed By Their Existence.
32:05Hypocrite.
32:07Jerk Justifications.
32:09Logical Fallacies.
32:11No True Scotsman.
32:13Defended By An Inferior Success.
32:15Once Done Never Forgotten.
32:18Opinion Myopia.
32:20Playing The Victim Card.
32:22The Power Of Hate.
32:24The Reason You Suck Speech.
32:26Serious Business.
32:28Twisting The Words.
32:30With Us Or Against Us.
32:32You Are What You Hate.
32:34Obnoxious Entitled Housewife.
32:36For The Female Game Purist.
32:38Demonization.
32:40And Here's What A Game Purist Would Be Thinking To Try To Justify This.
32:45But It's Okay When I Do It.
32:47Said Every Criminal And Bigot.
32:51Game Purism Is Their Religion.
32:53Now That's Being Generous.
32:55It's Just A Conspiracy Theory Now After The Debunking I Did.
32:58There's Some Other Self-Righteousness Jokes I Could Have Stretched To Include.
33:03Like Soapbox Sadie.
33:05Undying Loyalty.
33:07Propaganda Machine Slash Propaganda Piece.
33:11Unsportsmanlike Gloating.
33:13Lawful Stupid.
33:15Because They Defend Mandates With Appeal To Authority.
33:18So That Can Easily Be Mocked With Hypothetical Extremely Bad Mandates.
33:22But Since It Doesn't Fit The Literal Definition Of The Tropes,
33:26I Won't Bother Pointing Them All Out.
33:28There Were A Lot More Of Those Tropes That Reminded Me Of The Game Tears.
33:31But I Didn't Want To Stretch.
33:33And The Average Person Would Think They're Being Soapbox Sadies.
33:37But That's Not Literally The Definition.
33:39Inaccuracy Spotting Is An Easy, Shallow Form Of Criticism That Can Be Used To Make Any Adaptation Look Bad Through Appealing To Emotion Alone.
33:47It's Like Making A Video Just About Criticizing Anytime A Bald Character Is A Villain Across Various Works Of Fiction And Nitpicking Apart The Heroic Bald Characters.
33:59And Saying Those Works Are Bad For It.
34:02Because You Can Make Any Character Sound Like A Bad Character.
34:05If They Have Flaws, You Can Demonize Their Flaws.
34:09If They Don't Have Flaws, They Are Marisu.
34:12The Reason That Had Gone On My Nerves Is That They Do Have Good Critical Thinking Skills But Choose To Only Apply Them Negatively Towards What They Hate.
34:20But Defend Those Same Problems To The Death With The Games.
34:24Well I Can't Turn My Brain Off With Media.
34:26So I Notice When The Writing Is Forced.
34:29Even When I'm Casually Watching A TV Show For Once.
34:32What's Unsatisfying About Criticism From A Game Purist Is That They're Pointing Out That Bad Writing Is Just An Excuse That Makes Their Game Purism Sound Like A Persuasive Grift.
34:42The Adaptations Could Be Written Like Citizen Kane And They'd Still Hate Them.
34:47They Could Be Good In Every Major Writing Component Thus Being Objectively Good And They'd Still Call Them Garbage If They Weren't 99% Like The Games.
34:57The Only Reason I Don't Say 100% Is They Still Like The Sonic 2 Movie And A Few Of Its Differences.
35:03While I Have Seen A FEW YouTube Comments Of People That Hate The Sonic 2 Movie.
35:08And The Cognitive Dissonance On Liking The Sonic 2 Movie Is So Real That Instead Of Realizing That Hating Differences On Principle Is Stupid,
35:17They Had To Say It Was Because The Adaptational Differences Introduced Were Respectful.
35:22And By Respectful I Mean Not That Creative.
35:26It Uses The Echidnas.
35:28It Uses The Master Emeralds And The Chaos Emeralds.
35:31So They Only Like Adaptational Differences When There's Almost Nothing Impressive About The Fact That They Were Come Up With.
35:38So It's Hardly Been An Adaptational Difference, It's Just A New Way Of Using An Old Idea.
35:44They Try To Act Like That's The Only Adaptational Difference That Could Possibly Be Good.
35:49But There Are Other Changes That Also Qualify As Respectful.
35:53How Do You Define Respectful If I'm Sure They Hate That Archie Sonic's Faster Than Gang Sonic?
35:59Peach Saying Mario Is Not Important Isn't A Deal Breaker To Them Since They Like The Mario Movie.
36:05I Guess The Reason They Like Is Because They Prefer Mario Over Sonic.
36:10And By That Logic The Wizard Of Oz Would Be Bad Because It's Got One Good Witch Instead Of Two Like The Bunk.
36:17But That's Racist Against Witches, So That's Disrespectful To What The Source Material And Its Writer Wanted.
36:22I Thought It Was Weird That The Nostalgia Critic Liked The Mario Movie Because Of All Of The References In It,
36:28When He Also Didn't Like Red Player One, Which Was Also References The Movie.
36:34So The Only Way He Was Able To Make Sense Of It Was By Assuming That He Didn't Like The Things That Were Being Referenced.
36:41So How Does That Not Apply To The Game Purist Too?
36:44I Don't Know How Any Of Them Can Like Any Adaptational Changes, Because They Usually Never Notice Or Accept Any Changes As Good.
36:51By Their Logic That You Can't Like A Change Without Hating The Source Material Or At Least A Part Of It,
36:58That Means They Either Don't Like The Games, Or They Hate That The Echidnas Were Wiped Out Millenia Ago,
37:04And That The Two Types Of Chaos Himmels Aren't Fused In The Games,
37:08Or That Logic Is Full Of Shit Since It Can Only Be True For Some People,
37:12And Being Interested In Alternative What-If Scenarios Doesn't Mean You Hate The Original.
37:17By That Logic Anyone Who Likes The What-If Show For Superhero Fiction Would Hate The Source Material Too.
37:24I Found Plenty Of Changes That Had Objectively Nothing Wrong With Them That They Still Hate For Being Changes,
37:30Even If They Have To Make Up Excuses.
37:33Right, Because Being New Alone Is Bad.
37:37Nobody Wants Any Artistic Expression Of Creativity In Art.
37:42To Have The Job Of Creating Books, Stories, Or Articles.
37:47Let's Look At The Dictionary Definition Of Write.
37:51To Express An Idea.
37:53This Is From The Cambridge Dictionary.
37:56If You Aren't Creating, You're Not Writing.
37:59So Being One-To-One Is Not Writing Very Much.
38:03That's Why It Should Only Be Like The Games In The Major Waves,
38:07And The References That Outright Love.
38:10Merely Pointless Imagery Is Neat,
38:13But Looks Cynical If The Story Itself Is Bad,
38:16Or Isn't Actually Taking Advantage Of The Reference In The Story.
38:21Let's Say The Dictionary's Definitions Of A Hank, From Cambridge.
38:26Hank, A Journalist, Or Writer For Newspapers Or Magazines,
38:31Whose Work Is Low In Quality Or Does Not Have Much Imagination.
38:36They Want Writers To Be Hanks.
38:39Because If You Have It Be One-To-One,
38:41Then As Soon As You Have A New Idea,
38:44It's Not One-To-One Anymore.
38:46Ironically, They Keep Calling The Modern Writers Hanks,
38:49But Only Because They Define It Without That Last Part,
38:52And Either Are Solely Aware Of,
38:55Or Selectively Only Use The Other Dictionaries' Outdated, Ill-Thought-Out Definitions,
39:01Which Only Include Bad Writing And Writing Purely For A Paycheck.
39:04Bad Writing Is Too Vague To Look Objective Enough For A Definition.
39:08Characterization Quality Is Subjective.
39:11And A Writer Only Writing For Money Is A Hard Assumption To Prove To Everyone,
39:15That Requires Evidence.
39:18With How Much Means People Say Western Before Insulting Westerners,
39:21Or Using The Word Westerner Exclusively In A Negative Connotation Over And Over And Over,
39:26Western And Westerner Started To Sound To Me Like Dog Whistle Code For Westernophobia.
39:33What Else Can You Call To Believe That No Westerner Can Write Well Or Adapt Well?
39:38And Assuming The Makers Of Sad EM Were Racists With No Evidence.
39:42Even Then It's A False Dichotomy To Say That Would Invalidate All Of Their Original Ideas.
39:48Again, Yuji Nakka Was Actually Brought In For Sad EM.
39:53The Creators Of Sonic Were Given Japanese Translations Of The Sad EM Pilot.
40:00So They've Been Grasping At Straws For Years.
40:03It Would Have Helped If They Didn't Dismiss Out Of Hand Every Adaptation That Is Like The Games.
40:08They Baselessly Insist Every Fan Of American Sonic Is Japanaphobic,
40:13And Will Preemptively Mock The Idea Of Being Told Otherwise And Compare Them To The Confederates.
40:19The Only One Who Brought In Up Race Was You.
40:23American Sonic Fans Like Game Characters Too.
40:26They Like Sonic, For Example.
40:29Only The Purists Dismiss Characters Out Of Hand Based On Their Country Of Origin.
40:34How Is It Punching Down To Call Out Sega Of Japan When The People Working At Sega Of Japan Aren't Japanese Americans.
40:41So They're People Of The Same Equivalent Position As People Like Flynn Are Where He Lives.
40:46Not To Mention They Have Dominance Over Sega Of America Which Has No Actual Authority Anymore.
40:52I Never Saw Them Complain About That Popular OVA Or The Manga.
40:57It Must Be That The Most Extreme Only Complain About Sonic X Because The Americans In 4Kids Weren't Both.
41:04The Weirdest Ones Are The Ones That Call Themselves Sega Of Japan Purists That Still Like Sonic X.
41:10Sonic X Isn't Exactly Like The Games Either.
41:13So The People Who Like The Show Shouldn't Call Themselves Game Purists.
41:18Even The Most Extreme Purists Doesn't Have A Huge Amount Of Complaining About AOSCH Or Sonic Boom.
41:24It Must Be Because Game Stans Can't Stand Adaptations Taking Sonic Seriously.
41:29But Are Fine With When Stuff Like Shadow The Hedgehog Does.
41:33It Calls Into Question Whether They Truly Like It When Sonic Is Dark Or Not.
41:38If They Really Cared About Canon Purism And Not Just Taking Any Excuse To Crap On Archie Fans.
41:44They Would Be Complaining Just As Much About Those Shows.
41:48But The Most Extreme Game Purists Have Ever Seen.
41:51He Doesn't Have Tags Devoted To Either Of Those Shows.
41:55I've Read Two Game Peers Saying That As Long As You Like The Games And Don't Put Them Down They Don't Have A Problem With You Liking Adaptations.
42:03It Doesn't Make It Okay To Say You Only Like A Member Of A Harmless Group If They're One Of The Good Ones.
42:08If You Assume They're Rare.
42:10At One Point The Most Extreme Game Purists I've Seen A Lot Of Did Admit That He Doesn't Think Every Fan Of Adaptations Hates The Games.
42:18But Still Said Most Of Them Do.
42:20Saying Most Of A Group Is A Certain Way When That Certain Way Isn't Mandatory And Intrinsic To The Very Nature Of Being A Part Of That Group Is Still Bigoted.
42:28If You Said That About Any Oppressed Minority Group It Be Seen As A Bigotry It Is.
42:34Game Peers Are Like Flat Earthers.
42:37Nothing Convince Them They're Wrong.
42:39Not Even This Article.
42:40Not Even The Console Wars Book About Tom Kolanski's Helpfulness To The Franchise.
42:46Because They're So Arrogant And Emotional That They Won't Engage With Facts That Prove They're Fallacious.
42:52They Just Say Fake News About Anything That Says That The Psych Of America Was Helpful To The Franchise Succeeding.
42:58It's Rare That An Adaptation Won't Contain Anything That People Like About The Games.
43:03If One Were To Hate All These Things, You Would Hate The Games.
43:08If You Absolutely Loved The Major Game Elements.
43:11One Would Expect Just Seeing Them In Anything To Be Enough To Make You Like Stories That Aren't Badly Written In Most Of The Components Of Writing.
43:19Or Even Then, People Who Get Giddy About Something Will Like A Bad Plot Just Because It's There.
43:24But The Game Peers Are The Ones Complaining About Flynn Making References To The Games While Claiming To Be The Only Ones Who Really Like The Games.
43:31And Treating The Pondtap Games As Above Criticism.
43:34These People Say A LOT That Sonic Lives By His Own Feelings By Just Doing What He Wants.
43:40And They Love That And Say That It's Just Because Sonic's Implied To Be Like That In The Games.
43:44But Since All Of Their Opinions Are Feelings Based Entirely.
43:48And They Just Do Whatever They Want With No Regard For The Feelings Of The People They Offend.
43:52That Checks Out.
43:54You Know Who Also Only Lives By His Own Feelings And Just Does What He Wants With No Interest In Upholding Moral Principles?
44:01Eggman.
44:03And Eggman's A Fascist.
44:05Maybe Sonic's Philosophy Isn't Good.
44:07It Only Works Out Because He Happens To Be A Good Person.
44:12They Even Admit That It's Only Through Luck That Sonic Happens To Like Being Good.
44:16But Whenever They See Sonic Be Too Mean In Adaptation Specifically,
44:20They Have A Lot Of Feelings About That.
44:22But He's Living By His Own Feelings.
44:24And Not Caring About Principles.
44:26I Thought They Like That About Him.
44:28They Don't.
44:30It's Just Having Any Excuse To Demonize What They Don't Like.
44:33If You Like The Game Element, You Like Seeing It Everywhere.
44:38Next They're Gonna Tell Me They Claim The Whole Concept Of Sonic Fighting Eggman With A Group Of Friends Is Bad
44:44And Isn't Meant To Be In Sonic.
44:46Oh Wait.
44:47They Did Say That About The Freedom Fighters.
44:50Even Though Tails And Amor Are Groups In Sonic 2.
44:53And Sonic Heroes Exists.
44:55So That's Just An Excuse For The Real Reason They Don't Like Them.
44:59Sonic Team Didn't Make Them.
45:01And Yet They Accuse Archie Fans Of Being Flat Earthers Because They Don't Respect American Companies.
45:06And Either Haven't Learned That Sega Of America Is Why The Series Didn't Say Attack Demo And Made It The Most Money.
45:12Or One Of The Nutshobs That Dismisses All Of The Info And What It Did For Sonic As Fake News Because It Doesn't Suit Their Agenda.
45:18Someone ought To Add To That Entry On Sonic's Mis-Aimed Fandom Page.
45:22Because That Was Why Someone Who Despite Saying Sonic Was A Joint Venture Only Says Sega Of Japan Is Found.
45:28And That Was Pretty Good Point.
45:30And That Was Pretty Good Point.
45:31The Game Purist Missed A Point Too.
45:33So That Was Imagine Looking At That One .
45:38Which Was Little For Anehat.
45:39And Which Was A Round Of The Nutshobs Ofrebonties.
45:40So That Was That Backed The Game.
45:41And That Was A Toh.
45:43And That Was A Throneed For The Tire.
45:44And That Was A Toh.
45:45And That Was A Toh.
45:46And That Was A Toh.
45:47So That Was A Toh.
45:48And That Was A Toh.
45:50And That Was A Toh Toh.
45:52And That Was A Toh.
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