- il y a 9 mois
The only facts that " back up the argument " are the problems with the alternate continuities but even then every work of fiction has flaws, the fact that a game purist lens ruins your ability to enjoy well-written stories singlehandedly proves that canon purism's bad, because it's toxic. That sentence alone proves me right but these fallacies just drive the point home.
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00:00I'm gonna go over every fallacy in Canon Purism.
00:05Canon Purism is permanently hating every adaptation and 99% of adaptational changes in characters
00:13just because of the initial feeling of different equals bad,
00:18so that even a flawlessly written adaptation would get hated for one difference.
00:24How else can you disprove an opinion then by showing that it's only supported by a lot of fallacies?
00:29Taken from the fallacy fallacy description itself,
00:33if the only reason to accept a claim is a fallacious argument,
00:36accepting the claim anyway is unreasonable.
00:40And it's very easy to claim that an opinion is based on facts and be wrong.
00:44For example, you could claim french fries are entirely healthy because of the fact that they're made of potatoes.
00:50But they use 19 fallacies after that, like when they're arguing against people.
00:55I'm mainly gonna be talking about Sonic game purists in this.
01:00Appeal to tradition.
01:02Claiming something is superior to something else because the first is older.
01:06There it is.
01:07The most important fallacy for them of them all.
01:10The games were thought of first.
01:13Therefore, they create rules that to them must be marched in lockstep with for all time
01:18without thinking first about the pros and cons of doing so.
01:21Even when the games themselves change the rules, they're still perfect,
01:25and they just conveniently stop caring about said rules.
01:28Almost as if they never actually loved them in the first place.
01:32Oh, why would anyone care that Green Hill takes up too much space on the Forces globe
01:37and is on a continent instead of on South Island?
01:40We were always at war with East Asia.
01:43If that happens in IDW, they'd be freaking out.
01:46They won't complain about animals not popping out of badniks and everything
01:49because heroes put an end to that for no reason.
01:52Who cares about Sonic's identity, right?
01:55I think they would more than anyone.
01:57So, if the games had Eggman stop being evil,
02:00they wouldn't complain and would instead try to impose that on the comics.
02:04Do they stand for Sage because she's a game character?
02:07Because the whole complaint about Sage is that she softens up Eggman too much.
02:13Well, the most extreme purist I saw is a Frontier stan.
02:17If you see a series screwing up the characterization or world
02:20and are only interested in pushing your agenda again about one hierarchy of it being better,
02:25you don't care about its characters and world.
02:29Because even the average casual fan would have a problem.
02:33This applies to stance of ruined characterization in IDW too.
02:38I'm never unaware of when the fallacies apply to the other extreme.
02:42Sonic 1 might not have been the first Sonic property to come out.
02:45All I could get about when the Sonic 1 manga came out
02:48was that it came out in the same month of June as Sonic 1.
02:51But why would it come out the same day as it when it was meant to advertise it?
02:56And day 1 sales are important.
02:58And that manga had Sonic in a rock band as the lead singer in the first issue.
03:02Should I jokingly suggest that every continuity should do the same thing?
03:06But sure, the games were come up with first.
03:09And they weren't interested in Sonic enough to learn it came out before Sonic 1.
03:13Sonic being in a rock band was one of the earliest ideas in Sonic history
03:17to the point of getting rejected in the initial concepts phase for Sonic games.
03:21Ironically, they did demonize the removal of that and talked like it was unnecessary to do so.
03:26Notice that Americans removed that idea, so clearly that's why.
03:30It furthers their agenda to defend this band idea.
03:34So going by appeal to tradition, why don't they complain in every adaptation and new game
03:39that Sonic isn't in a rock band?
03:41Why aren't they singing the praises of Sonic Underground to high heaven,
03:44at least for using the band concept in something copyrighted to Sega?
03:48Because they don't like the band idea.
03:51They're just saying whatever they could to try to get people to be game purists like evangelicals.
03:56It's ironic that the most extreme game purists are an atheist who dislikes Christianity then.
04:03I like ideas being reused if they're done well and are good enough.
04:07With these people, it's never done well because Sonic Team didn't make it.
04:12Sonic's not allowed to brag in the other continuities,
04:14but he can brag in colors, forces, and heroes as obnoxiously as he wants.
04:19Best boss baiting ever!
04:21Not really.
04:23That wasn't a hard boss.
04:25But he's only unlikable when he does it in the same tone the same way anywhere else.
04:30It's a character flaw problem objectively.
04:33Character flaws are by definition going to be annoying.
04:36But Sonic wouldn't have been cool if he'd never acted confident.
04:40This is what attracted people to the series.
04:43And how could Sonic have a cool, cocky attitude without bragging?
04:47Which is silently what the finger wagging was.
04:50Appeal to authority.
04:53They say Sonic Team and Sega of Japan should be adhered to at all times by Sonic,
04:58and only the game purist who is currently speaking is allowed to criticize them.
05:03Because they made the Sonic games and have authority over them.
05:07Therefore, they must always know best.
05:10This ignores that not only has Sega of Japan made mistakes before,
05:14but Sega of America's CEO said Sonic should be a franchise instead of a tech demo.
05:20So they're the ones responsible for the franchise existing.
05:23The two Segas are the mother and father of Sonic.
05:27Sega of Japan is the mother who wanted to terminate the pregnancy.
05:31It ignores all of Sega of America's help with the series,
05:34like having the Genesis come with the first two Sonic games,
05:38and doing a marketing campaign against Mario.
05:41The Japanese Mega Drive flopped from not doing that.
05:45But Japan's not its primary market, not a gotcha,
05:50when the Mega Drive flopping proves the Sega of Japan's Japanese appealing policies aren't profitable.
05:56So trying to appeal to people who would agree with them like game purists isn't profitable.
06:01When Sega of Japan tried to pander to Americans themselves,
06:05we got Shadow the Hedgehog and Rise of Lyric.
06:08Yes, they were responsible for some of Rise of Lyric.
06:12Sega of America's point was to appeal to Americans better because they're from America.
06:18And then they stripped away their independence,
06:21and then wondered why Sonic Boom failed.
06:24And ignores all the money Sega of Japan made off of licensing Sonic out so much,
06:30when I thought they loved Sega of Japan.
06:32Or do they just love Sonic Team?
06:35Because they liked the Sonic Channel comics they made, too.
06:38It's proven that Sonic wouldn't have made as much money to fall back on if Sega of America had no independence.
06:45For all we know, after their consoles failed, Sonic would be bankrupt if these adaptations didn't exist.
06:51And Americans could have come up with Sonic, because Sonic the Hedgehog's full of Western influences.
06:57He only originated in Japan because it had a monopoly on 90's mainstream games.
07:03And in the 90's, no game developers cared about storing their platformers.
07:08But game purists treat Sonic like an anime regardless, and put the Japanese at the top of a hierarchy.
07:14They're oddly silent on the fact that the creators of Sonic, Naoto Shima, liked SatAM, and Yuji Naka spoke English.
07:25So he did say Mobius in interviews.
07:28Sega of Japan called Sonic's World, Sonic's World.
07:33Anyone could tell that they don't care about the world.
07:36So what's the point of being a purist if even the Japanese who made Sonic don't agree with you?
07:42Game purism's all about believing that hierarchy's good, but only the hierarchies they like.
07:48So anything that reinforces or bullsues them is good.
07:52And that the status quo is perfect, so anything breaking or adding to it must be bad.
07:57And they want Sega of Japan and Sonic Team to have had full domination over the series the whole time and for all time like a dictator.
08:06Does that belief structure sound familiar?
08:09Hierarchy's good.
08:11Only the hierarchies I like.
08:13So anything that bolsters them is good.
08:15And we should have a strong authority rule.
08:18You know what that's associated with?
08:20Fascism.
08:21You can have mostly non-fascist beliefs, but the beliefs I outlined fall under that.
08:26The dictionary definition of fascism is a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.
08:35And when it comes to Sonic, that's what they want Sonic Team and the current Sega of Japan to have over it.
08:41Treating every continuity equally like its own thing is equality.
08:46The point is, if they really cared about authority, they wouldn't completely dismiss Sega of America's authority.
08:53So it doesn't even really make sense that they use this fallacy.
08:57Because you can use it right back at them.
09:00Appeal to Flattery.
09:02Claiming that a certain conclusion reflects well on anyone who agrees with it or poorly on anyone who does not.
09:09If they didn't believe that being a game purist reflected well on you, they wouldn't be game purists.
09:14That's why this is in the top section.
09:17Game purists all claim that no true Sonic fan isn't a game purist who can't take criticism of the games.
09:24The concept that other people can apply criticism out of love because they just want improvement is alien to them.
09:31Some of them must have had abusive parents if they can't conceive that you could insult something with someone without hating them.
09:37Appeal to Ignorance.
09:40The claim that a statement must be true because it wasn't proven false, or false because it wasn't proven true, instead of admitting any uncertainty.
09:49This is then when they say something isn't like the games because they assume it never will be because the games didn't give them enough info on Sega's image of its world and characters to know better.
09:59You could use this to say that the Echidnas won't be based on Aztecs after looking at the Sonic Adventures comic that came out long before SA1.
10:08Without knowing that was the plan for them in the games, it would look like that comic got them wrong.
10:14But no one had any way of knowing Sega's plan yet.
10:17They must have said before Unleashed that Game Sonic doesn't love chili dogs like Sad AM Sonic did first because the games didn't prove that.
10:26They also stay in Lost World despite it having Tails be threatened with roboticization in the style of Sonic Underground and looking like he was briefly.
10:35So when the games do something identically, it's fine.
10:38Then how is an idea bad just because it wasn't in the games yet?
10:42As they see it, the Emeralds be something aliens use in space that happen to land on the planet.
10:48So at the time, they would have said that's not true because it didn't happen in the games, but Frontiers did that later.
10:55As they stated the concept of Amy fighting with a weapon first.
10:59You could look at that back then and say Amy would never fight in the games because she hadn't done it yet and so the idea sucks.
11:06Most people like ideas in fiction without caring about where they appeared first.
11:10Game characters have said,
11:12How do you know that they needed Sega of America to have Sonic succeed, despite in the same paragraph acknowledging that they told Sega of Japan not to have Madonna and a rock band for Sonic?
11:23Partially because they knew that having a human girlfriend would raise an eyebrow for most people, like it did for Elise.
11:30They conveniently leave out that the reason Sonic 1 sold 15 million copies was because of the American CEO Tom Kolanski's idea to package it with the Genesis.
11:41And just leave it at saying that Sonic 1's selling will somehow proves that Sega of Japan did enough to humor America.
11:48Meanwhile, Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles bombed in Japan and it didn't have the same marketing campaign as the West and they weren't packaged with the Genesis.
11:57Yet they claim that because you can't go to an alternate universe and see Sonic go the way of Alex Kidd because it was handled the way it was in more than just Japan,
12:06that absence of evidence is evidence of absence of Sega of America being necessary for Sonic to make it this long.
12:14Ignoring that Japan had the Genesis and 32X bomb, which proves how bad the way Sega of Japan's way of handling things is,
12:22the OVA not make it into a full anime, only the West getting a third season of Sonic X,
12:29sales in Japan usually being even worse even after you account for them having a third of the population of the US as well as the population of Canada.
12:37The Sonic movies all flopping in Japan.
12:40The same logic for respecting Sega of Japan applies to Sega of America, too.
12:45Their difference is nationality.
12:47Do they believe authority should be respected or not?
12:50The only thing game peers actually believe is that their personal preferences are the only ones that should be respected with fiction.
12:58This is the result of anime fans getting into Sonic because they think of it as an anime and only emphasize that it's a video game series to mask that because the games came from Japan first.
13:09Whose idea was it to have a separate Sega branch for America anyway?
13:13It was Sega of Japan's idea.
13:15Because there the original branch exists.
13:18I thought they thought Sega of Japan was always right.
13:21But they don't think Sega of America should have existed?
13:25No, they think they should have said,
13:27You can't do that with our brand a lot more in the old days.
13:32Which means they don't even respect old Sega of Japan.
13:35And only claim suits have convincing arguments for why old adaptations should be one to one.
13:41How many purists were introduced in the brand era?
13:44The era you starred in can create a false impression of how a series is supposed to be.
13:49Maybe it's only Sonic Team they respect.
13:52But Sonic Team was never in charge of what the story of Sonic would be.
13:56The purists need to read a book called The Console Wars.
14:01Appeal to Pity.
14:03Attempting to make someone feel sorry for either the arguer or the subject of the argument to convince people to believe the argument.
14:10One of their main arguments is you should feel sorry for Sega of Japan because other continuities have their own interpretations and new ideas.
14:18That they could have prevented but didn't.
14:20Because they disapprove of them and you should have empathy.
14:23But what about Sega of America's feelings?
14:26Why not feel sorry for people who get harassed for liking other continuities?
14:30How about if the people responsible for the adaptational differences got harassed?
14:35They deserve empathy too.
14:37So only the Japanese and game purists deserve pity?
14:41Not writers who weren't told enough stuff by Sega of Japan?
14:45Yet these purists would only see appeal to pity as manipulative if their opponents use it.
14:51Feel sorry for the board of directors of Sega of Japan that fired the American CEO for having profitable ideas they hated.
14:58Just because there's a few people who like one work of fiction and harass people who don't
15:04doesn't prove that adaptational differences shouldn't exist either.
15:08If the logic is fans have spin-offs don't deserve happiness because there's a few bad apples and some are tired of the games,
15:15that logic could be applied to game purists don't deserve what they want because there's bad apples and they're all tired of other continuities.
15:22Some adaptational differences shouldn't have existed because they're bad.
15:26Usually I prefer the spin-offs like the games.
15:29They want to throw the baby out with the bath water though.
15:32Circular reasoning.
15:34Such an argument can be simplified down to, it's true because it's true.
15:38They're like everything but the games are bad because the games are good because Sonic Team made them.
15:44And so anything not made by Sonic Team is bad because the games are good.
15:48But they don't hate the Mario movie, which isn't exactly like the games.
15:52And every other franchise they like that isn't made by Sonic Team and is nothing like Sonic.
15:57And yet they still don't know why people like adaptations.
16:00Ask how it could be possible for Sonic Team to be incapable of making mistakes and they'll say,
16:06because the games are good.
16:08They're like, most people who like something besides the source material hate the source material.
16:13Why?
16:14If you criticize something, that means you hate it.
16:18How do they feel about Sonic 06?
16:21Well one of them literally said, I actually like the games.
16:25All of them.
16:26What about Spinball for the Game Gear?
16:29So they're either liars or crazy.
16:32What they actually believe is just, it's always bad for an adaptation to be different from what I'm used to
16:37when just the source material for the series I believe this about.
16:40Because fiction should only be catered to me.
16:43If asked why, they could either be honest and say, because I said so.
16:48Meaning they're selfish.
16:50Or make up excuses that sound objective by being broad.
16:54Because I said so.
16:56A variant of appeal to authority.
16:58This fallacy is more formally known as proof by assertation.
17:02This fallacy posits that something is true or false.
17:05Right or wrong.
17:06Simply because the speaker says so.
17:09It's also their defense for Tails breaking in Lost World not meaning he was egotistical when Sonic's breaking at EW means he's egotistical.
17:17The literal defense is, no he wasn't.
17:20That's all.
17:22They're like, maybe he wasn't.
17:24Well then maybe in other continuities Sonic wasn't egotistical either.
17:29And I'll try to explain why if I thought that.
17:32But any reasoning would still have it be a maybe.
17:35They talk about Tails if they think he's a real celebrity whose feelings are gonna get hurt by people criticizing him for cowering to Chaos Zero.
17:43And so they must defend his honor.
17:46And one criticism of him not being the badass he was in the classics anymore is a blockable offense.
17:52The perfect solution fallacy.
17:55Rejecting an idea because it doesn't solve all addressed issues.
17:59If we can't fix it perfectly we shouldn't try at all.
18:04They say the adaptations like IDW shouldn't exist and wish they never existed because even hiring new writers is probably not gonna make them good for them.
18:14Never mind the joy they brought others or money they made Sega.
18:17Which morally means it's a net positive that they exist.
18:20Even if you don't like the comic very much.
18:23They only care about themselves.
18:26The perfect solution fallacy is arguing that a course of action is no good because it is not perfect.
18:32Like saying that the making of all the adaptations amounted to being no good because they're not perfect to them.
18:38Because none of the adaptations live up to their imagined impossible scenario where they're just like the games.
18:44They conclude that none of them can be good.
18:47The fallacy being that of course an imagined scenario is idealized.
18:51So that's not fair to do a comparison on.
18:53It makes it impossible to like any of them.
18:55It takes a defeatist attitude to them that would have had Sega make far less money if they took it.
19:00So there's a reason they didn't let this get them down.
19:03Art subverting my expectations is always bad.
19:07Talk about missing the point of art.
19:09For millennia, even back in ancient Greek statue sculpting, the most beloved art has been the art that surprises the audience and innovates.
19:19While an artist that isn't creative or admires the status quo will bore people.
19:24Appeal to novelty is a logical fallacy where someone claims that a proposal, idea, work, or trend is better or more accurate than what came before.
19:35Solely because it is newer or more recent.
19:39Game peers even do this.
19:41As whenever confronted with inaccurate characterization in the games, they deny it's inaccurate at all.
19:47Which has to be because of this fallacy that because of the newer characterization, that means it's accurate.
19:54Because it was Sega of Japan updating them.
19:57This ignores that it's still inaccurate to their bios.
20:00Not to mention their original characterization.
20:03So if Knuckles in a new game became a fruit salesman and says he's never guarded any emerald, it'd be accurate.
20:10Amy not being Amy anymore would be defended as being an updating of her for sure.
20:15She was updated from modern times because feminists took issue with Amy Rhodes being a bad role model for girls.
20:21And fans found her creepy.
20:23I don't miss her creeping Sonic out obviously because I care about Sonic.
20:28So I'm not saying it's always bad to change a character.
20:31But it's not good just because it's new and it's still not accurate to Amy.
20:36And no, updating her generation's bio didn't make this okay.
20:40That's revisionist history censorship that still doesn't change the fact that she wasn't always like this and it's never explained why she changed.
20:48They deny Tails being egotistical in Lost World with just, no he wasn't.
20:53Even though his character bios debunk the idea that he should be bragging to himself.
20:57Sure he bragged to Sonic about his biplane as he won, which must be to make sure he stays proud of him.
21:03But he would never brag to himself as he's trying to reprogram the roboticizer in a completely straight-faced way with nothing in his tone implying that he's only kidding himself.
21:11No nervousness at all.
21:13And if you feel the need to insist that a character's trait is just a facade, it looks like you're not comfortable with it regardless of whether you're right or wrong.
21:22I said this is about how Sonic's too egotistical in the movies and the novels and the picture books based on Saturday.
21:28Their insistence that Sonic's humble based on cheery-picked evidence like him looking bashful in a cutscene for a recent classic Sonic game means they aren't comfortable with him being cocky even in the games, or else they'd say nothing of the sort and only compliment him acting arrogant.
21:44Cocky in French is translated to arrogant.
21:49But being confident is one of his core traits from the start that got Sonic popular.
21:54Being bashful or even skeptical of praise is from insecurity, obviously out of character for Sonic who bragged his way through forces.
22:03But because it's new, they make too big a deal out of the superstar's out of character moment that makes no sense for the guy who wags his finger in the classic era and looks confident on the title screens and boasts that he's gonna crack this Eggman wide open.
22:17The best boss baiting ever gun.
22:22Isn't humble brag an oxymoron?
22:25Their entire bases aside from appeal to authority for supporting this is it's new, and thus an update.
22:32Downgrades are also new.
22:34And yet they'll never apply this logic to adaptational changes.
22:39Because Sega of Japan, their lord and savior, can't downgrade.
22:43So despite how their criticism of newer writers appears, they aren't against standing at Flynn for being standing.
22:50They're against it because it's a different god than theirs.
22:53I never thought they'd fall under this fallacy because the stance of the newer continuities are the ones most guilty of this.
23:00But what else do you call them doing stuff like seeing Cream cower from Eggponds with G's for several seconds until Knuckles saves her and not calling it out as disrespectful or out of character?
23:11They must not see it as out of character because it's from Sonic Team, so it's updating her.
23:16Even though that same game had her fearlessly jump into a portal to go fight a mechanical monstrosity.
23:22The cowering has no place in even the game it was in.
23:26They also defend Knuckles not guarding the Emerald like he's supposed to.
23:30After Sonic 3, he would've learned not to stray from the Emerald.
23:34So saying it's in character because of Sonic 3 when the point of the game was he learned Eggman wouldn't stay away from his Emerald would be like saying Amy trying to beat Sonic up again to get her to marry her would be in character.
23:45Or Shadow wanting to destroy the world would always be in character because of SA2.
23:49And yet nobody liked it with King Shadow because he was regressing.
23:53So why is that only bad when the comics do it?
23:56If Sonic Team did it, they'd only briefly insult it at best.
24:00Character development is just a positive way of phrasing a character's out of character from how he was earlier for a reason.
24:07And they do it without any evidence that his carelessness is good and thus not character derailment.
24:13And that there is a reason.
24:15And how is restating what other people say about Knuckles refuting their point?
24:19Game peers whine about Archie fans doing that when they say it wasn't meant to be like the games because that's what they're complaining about.
24:26Archie fans are saying that in a nice way in the same sense that Transformers wasn't meant to be like Sonic.
24:32Game peers are saying that the game characters now are off as a compliment.
24:37The only reason you would say it's a good thing that Knuckles was smacked by Amy and Generations as comedy relief
24:42and was carried away by Flickies as comedy relief when he was taken seriously in Sonic 3,
24:47aside from you hating Knuckles, would be that it's new by Sonic Team.
24:51They are for good.
24:53How far does that go?
24:55Knuckles could beat up Chao when they tell you to stop whining.
24:58Best case scenario they'd complain once but then stop minding.
25:03Like how they were with the changes to cutscenes in Sonic X Shadow Generations.
25:08The sugarcoat Knuckles being off his island as character development when he wasn't ever off it in Sonic 3,
25:13because him being careless is fun to him, so any game character doing anything he likes is good.
25:19So if he got a girlfriend in the games to kiss, they'd like that.
25:24But only when it's the games.
25:26Not because they share in the happiness of any characters.
25:29But they hate Julie Sue.
25:31They rip apart the idea of Surge having any off screen character development that would justify her being different from how she first started,
25:38because it was off screen.
25:40They don't whine about him still guarding it in the Sonic Frontiers short, by the way.
25:45I thought they just said, that was out of character.
25:48If it was a comic book not published by Sonic Team, they would.
25:53I know, because they do complain about Knuckles being glued to the animals in IDW.
25:58If the fanbase was just them, then Tails and Shadow wouldn't have been playable in SA2.
26:05They were playable because fans complained about them not being playable in their original idea for SA2.
26:11They won't accept any explanation for Surge's characterization that's not explicitly shown.
26:16They insist she couldn't have been told anything about Sonic's adventures because it wasn't shown.
26:21No one saw Professor Pickle inform the people who were scared of Dark Gaia's monsters about Dark Gaia,
26:27so they'll know what the hell was going on.
26:29Realistically.
26:30Because he has compassion.
26:32Therefore, they never thought about why the general public would know about Dark Gaia.
26:37This took me seconds.
26:39They would've figured this out if they weren't in bad faith.
26:42Also, the movie tale spied on Sonic with technology from another freaking world somehow.
26:47At that point, Starlight could do the same thing for Sonic and Eggman, and he'd make sense to Stalker.
26:53Starlight never saw Dark Gaia as far as we know.
26:56Therefore, Surge couldn't know about it, because off-screen stuff can't be canon if it defends the comics.
27:01But saying off-screen character development actually justifies main characters getting brain transplants is fine by them when it defends the games.
27:10That's their entire thought process.
27:13Never mind that the first makes sense, and the latter doesn't.
27:16They complained about the mindset, comics, good, games, bad, but do the inverse just as mindlessly,
27:22without seeing anything wrong with that because the games are better than the comics.
27:26While IDW fans are like that because they think the comics are better than the games.
27:30What's wrong with both mindsets is everything should be treated equally.
27:34It's immoral to be other words, and that means treating everything and everyone with equal scrutiny.
27:40But as the most extreme of them put to excuse rudeness, morality is fake, we made it up.
27:46Instead they insist that not every writer deserves as much scrutiny as Flynn and Evan.
27:52That's having double standards.
27:54And those who have it are usually called hypocrites.
27:58When it's not literally that by definition.
28:02I could go on and on.
28:04And I have to prove my point because it's so shocking that appeal to novelty would apply to them.
28:08They defend Shadow's official character bio now that says he has no love for humanity,
28:13and act like he's still evil to avoid spoiling SE2, and won't mention Black Doom created him.
28:19And then they wonder why he keeps getting mischaracterized as evil by Flynn.
28:23He's also made like that by the writer of the Sonic and the Tales of novels.
28:27Multiple game purists have said that Shadow has no love for humanity simply because his new character bio lies about the canon of the games.
28:36Why did they fight Solaris then?
28:38Oh, it was only for Maria all of a sudden?
28:40Sure, there may have been room for interpretation.
28:43He never says it's not only for Maria.
28:45But they never apply that leniency to Archie, so why should I hear?
28:48The same game purists take it seriously that at the end of Shadow the Hedgehog he says goodbye forever Shadow,
28:55and throws away Maria's photo and leaves the arc, even though you can't just get over PTSD.
29:01You can't just say,
29:03I'm new Shadow now, I don't miss Maria anymore.
29:06They take it seriously by thinking Sega's still going with the idea that he's not being a hero to take Maria's place anymore,
29:13even though that game was unpopularly written.
29:15That's doublethink.
29:17It's almost like they made the costumes of Sonic X Shadow Generation to debunk the idea that he doesn't care about Maria anymore.
29:24Either he's not being a hero for Maria anymore, or he is.
29:29But they switch what they argue for depending on what lets them criticize an adaptation.
29:34Because it's newer, you also won't see the normally traditionalist purists complain about the Chaotix having their personalities completely changed for no reason after Knuckles' Chaotix in the games.
29:44How Vector was given a cool redesign for no reason, how they're detectives now for no reason, and Charmy's no longer 16.
29:52Not that all of that's bad.
29:54Instead they'll give Archie shit for not portraying Charmy as childish because they were going with Sega's old age for him.
30:01Never mind that nearly everyone finds Charmy annoying specifically because he's a kid, as the same traits are present in characters they like that are older.
30:10So this was clearly a bad change.
30:12You also won't see these normally traditionalist purists hating on the modern redesigns of the Sonic characters, because they're newer.
30:20Then by the same logic, they should've preferred the writers' redesigns and been mad when the games after them didn't keep using them.
30:28Being new isn't bad, but not inherently good.
30:31So it's a neutral that's good in the absence of anything severely bad about it.
30:36In terms of a viewing experience for the first time, it's good, because the point of experiencing a new story is to experience something new.
30:43So no, not all Archie fans are dominated by this fallacy.
30:47With the game purists' track record, they would defend Tails not accompanying Sonic in the Avengers anymore with this fallacy.
30:55But that's all his character was when he first showed up.
30:59They never complained about Tails not fighting during the scene in Sonic Forces where everyone was fighting.
31:04But they freaked out at him not fighting in favor of carrying Belle towards a place to keep her safe.
31:09Even though keeping her safe was a good excuse.
31:12Well he had no excuse for not fighting in the games.
31:15But Sonic Team good, comics bad, beep boop boop, anything new of theirs is justified because my tribe made it.
31:23But they know it'd be stupid to say the same thing about Western writers.
31:27That's why they frustrate me.
31:29How confusing it is that even someone smart in some situations can be wrong in others.
31:35Appeal to minority.
31:37The inverse of appeal to popularity, which is a belief that something is true because most people believe it is.
31:43Appeal to minority can be summed up as, everyone says I am wrong, therefore I am right.
31:49If they didn't think this, they would still be game purists.
31:53They, by definition, hate every alternate continuity, including the movies, which means the entire fanbase would hate any one of them they saw.
32:03But they repeatedly mention that they're being corrected all the time and respond with shit like the literal quote,
32:09I'm literally always right and always winning.
32:12Neither fallacy answers the question of whether it's more moral and smart of Sega or a writer to go with what the majority want something that's meant for entertainment to people and making a lot of money to be like, even if it is inaccurate.
32:25You can only answer that question with your empathy and common sense, because it could bomb financially from alienating the 99.9%, or make more money than just okay if it does the alternative.
32:37The silent majority argument combines us with begging the question.
32:41Since a lack of existence of popular support is held to show something is so popular nobody bothers to openly declare support for it, rather than so unpopular nobody supports it.
32:52People voting with their wallets is open support.
32:56Most people didn't buy Lost World when it first came out, but stands of the games would.
33:01That's how I know game purists aren't the silent majority.
33:04Despite their lying otherwise, they aren't purists because they like the games.
33:09Most people like the games, but most people aren't canon fascists.
33:13You don't even have to like the games to hate an adaptational difference in Sonic, or even know about it being inaccurate,
33:20because some differences are bad even in a vacuum.
33:23Now let's point this out.
33:25The first thing Wikipedia says about right-wing politics.
33:29Right-wing politics are generally characterized by support to the view that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable.
33:40Hierarchy is one of the source material to be on top, and everything else and the characters from everything else to be treated like sewer water.
33:49Confirmation Buns, also known as cherry pickin'.
33:53Pretending you are accepting only data that supports your predetermined position, and ignoring data that damages your position.
34:01That's almost any time they demonize other adaptations and worship every game.
34:06That's them insisting that Sonic is humble instead of confident based on cherry picked data.
34:11They never admit anything's good about Archie.
34:14They almost never admit any adaptational changes are good.
34:18Meanwhile, I'm perfectly happy to admit when the game purists are right.
34:22I agree with them all the time.
34:24Everything except most things.
34:26A generalization with so many exceptions that what remains is less than impressive, if useful at all.
34:32They say without hard evidence that all of the adaptations have no respect for the source material and were made by people who hated it.
34:39Because to them, even one difference is usually unacceptable and means that.
34:44None of them are anything like the games, huh?
34:47None of them are respectful, huh?
34:50Sonic the Hedgehog Story Comics, The Official Sonic Yearbook, Sonic Sunday Strips, Sonic Once Promotional Comic, Sonic Adventures Comic, The U.K. Sonic Novels, Sonic the Comic, The Dash Spin Manga, Sonic X, Sonic X Comic, Challenge Space, Sonic Mania Adventures, The Choose Your Own Adventure Books, The U.K. Sonic Picture Books.
35:16At least 14 adaptations off the top of my head in order from most to least like the games.
35:22How many people have corrected them on this?
35:24Maybe none are exactly like the games, but my point was, they're in a world like the games and I mostly like them.
35:31And look just like them to the average observer.
35:34Their assertion even excludes the Sonic Channel comics where Sticks watch TV with Game Tales.
35:41Where Amy blushed while saying that Blaze is hot.
35:45Yet they insist they're canon whenever the subject comes up.
35:49I left Sonic Mania Adventures for last because morons would insist that's canon to the games for being mere YouTube short ads for the games instead of a real TV show.
35:59When Sonic never talks to them and the games never confirm their canon by referencing them.
36:04So there's just as much proof Archie is canon as them or Dark Beginnings.
36:08Sonic never canonically hangs out in a Chao Garden.
36:12And with his preference for physical activity, I'd never expect them to.
36:16So Chao and Space can't be canon to the games.
36:19Why didn't that ruin it for them?
36:21They turned their brain off to Sonic being out of character because of who made Chao and Space.
36:26Looks like their beliefs are even more specific.
36:29They don't care about game purism.
36:31Or they'd complain about what I did.
36:33It's only bad for adaptations to break the rules when they're not made by Sonic Team.
36:38Well that doesn't look objective.
36:40Sonic talks in the game so Sonic Mania Adventures isn't canon.
36:44Because nobody in it talks.
36:46And it's never confirmed that they usually can.
36:49No game purist is generous enough to say,
36:52It's still like the games off screen, so it's fine.
36:55About other things.
36:56So why should I?
36:58There's more examples of fallacies game purists use.
37:01These are from teachthought.com's master list of fallacies.
37:05The a priori argument.
37:08Also.
37:09Rationalization.
37:11Dogmatism.
37:12A corrupt argument from Logos starting with a given preset belief, dogma, doctrine, scriptureverse,
37:19fact, or conclusion.
37:21And then searching for any reasonable or reasonable sounding arguments to rationalize,
37:26defend, or justify it.
37:28They always start with the conclusion that nothing can be better than the source material,
37:32and anything that contradicts it must be bad writing.
37:35So when they find out people are pointing out good changes, and like the writing, they
37:40rush to disagree.
37:42Even if it means ignoring the truth, or even insulting a part of the game's continuity itself
37:46by denying what is good about the changes.
37:49A rationale for why it's good to have Sonic kiss a girl is Sonic was meant to be cool.
37:54Sonic was supposed to have a human girlfriend called Madonna according to Sega of Japan.
37:58So Sega of Japan agrees with the idea that Sonic should be kissing girls.
38:03They still had Sonic at Bangs in Sonic Adventure 1, and that was an idea that Sega of America
38:10said no to.
38:12So it stands to reason that maybe Sega of Japan is okay with Sonic still kissing girls.
38:17Maybe he still thinks of him as straight.
38:20They rush to disagree, even when that means denying that he's 100% cool.
38:25People also like Sadie and Eggman because he looks competent because he took over the world
38:30and roboticized people.
38:32The purists demonize this, even though that means insulting the competence of a major character
38:37in the games.
38:39Because if you're demonizing it, you're implying that the game Eggman would never be smart
38:44enough to make that kind of technology.
38:47Please ignore lost world roboticization, that never happens.
38:51They also always start from the conclusion that anyone who disagrees with them is evil and
38:55wrong and hates the games.
38:57So they block anyone who disagrees with them without listening to them.
39:00Even when one of those people agree with them on other things.
39:04Do that and see how many followers you lose.
39:07The effective fallacy, that one's emotions, urges, or feelings are innate, and in every
39:14case self-validating, autonomous, and above any human intent to an act of will, one's own
39:20or others, and are thus immune to challenge or criticism.
39:24I also saw it quite literally at times.
39:26Like the worst game peers on Tumblr are saying,
39:29it feels like the Mario movie is made by people who love the games because it has references.
39:34Even though it could just easily be that those people had to do research as a part of their
39:38jobs.
39:39And he's saying this about the way it looks.
39:41The animators alone could have been responsible for that.
39:44Well, maybe the writers didn't care.
39:46And he doesn't say the same when seeing Flynn reference the games identically.
39:50What is the difference between just having Mario have the cat power-up for no reason,
39:55and a Flynn reference for equally no reason?
39:58If you want to say Mario was using the cat power-up, even though my point is the story
40:02would be the same if you had a different one.
40:04The purest and depreciated writers' term in Dark Knight W, even though they is using
40:09the reference as entire plots.
40:11In both situations where a writer doesn't care and is just pandering and does care, the
40:16results look the same.
40:17I also heard that the directors thought that Mario and Peach never actually had personalities,
40:23and they gave them to them.
40:25Wouldn't a Mario fan know this isn't true?
40:28Not listening as one because they haven't admitted it, but there's outcome bias, and stay
40:33the course here.
40:35Because if game purists let themselves realize they were wrong, the outcome would be regret
40:40over all the times they were wrong and harass adaptation fans.
40:44So they would rather block people and think in alternative facts than accept the canonical
40:48intended interpretation of Sally, for example.
40:52Where there's smoke, there's fire.
40:54The dangerous fallacy of ignorantly drawing a snap conclusion and or taking action without
40:59sufficient evidence, that's canon purism.
41:02Always assuming an adaptation would be bad, because it's not 100% like the source material,
41:08or because it's even in alternate continuity at all.
41:11The most extreme game purists I have read a lot of.
41:14He was actually surprised that he liked the Sonic 2 movie.
41:18And the final one, playing on emotion.
41:21It's an issue that they used the word adaptation in the first place instead of alternate continuity,
41:26because it tries to manipulate you into expecting that it should be just like the source material by implying it was adapting it.
41:33They say adaptation in this manner even while ignoring the fact that RG was an adaptation of Sad AM, not the games.
41:40Which they know about.
41:42Probably because they weren't allowed to adapt the games.
41:46That's the good faith assumption.
41:48Adaptation fans are more likely to use the word alternate continuity instead.
41:54Their whole ideology is sorta trying to appeal to fear.
41:57As if they're intimidated by the very idea of the source material being portrayed differently, and want you to be too.
42:03They talk as if it's something to be afraid of.
42:07Meanwhile, there are 25 fallacies they use against people from being stans.
42:13This is gonna be another video.
42:15Because my throat is sore.
42:17But here's all of them right now.
42:19I'll be back peace.
42:39Well friends!
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