00:00eight wins or bust uh now if the browns insist on starting to sean watson for half the season
00:06well it looks like bust to me but i'm still hoping that maybe they'll see the light there's
00:12something about it that like i i guess i should almost be impressed at how hard-headed the browns
00:17can be at points where in spite of years of data in spite of uh fandom you know oh well
00:25the fans
00:26can't get any matter and they will by the way in spite of just how lost the fact that deshaun
00:32watson says oh i'm over what happened in the preseason and the booing and then it's apparent
00:37he's still pretty irritated about how he's being treated here the browns inability to hear anything
00:42other than what they want to be true again if it didn't ruin most sundays for me i would if
00:48this
00:48was the jets i would really just point out wow they're committed to the bit in a way that is
00:53unhealthy but mildly hilarious yeah i mean they get a gold medal for being as hard-headed in life
00:58as you possibly can uh i i just it's it's funny how so many of our conversations are like it's
01:04not
01:04what i would do it's then you have to go to what the browns would do and you have to
01:07differentiate
01:07between the two because what most people would do what most humans would do is just never what they
01:13end up doing yeah the two narratives right now that are really bubbling that are really getting going
01:18one is uh well jimmy haslam is so hell-bent on arch manning and that's why they're starting
01:23deshaun watson to which my immediate rebuttal is you could have gotten to arch manning a myriad of
01:29ways that wouldn't enrage every browns fan and watch deshaun watson destroy goodwill left and right with
01:37every comment he makes yeah it almost feels like a twisting of the knife it's like it's like all right
01:40fine well we'll get what we want at the end of this and we'll all be happy but i'm gonna
01:43make you
01:44i'm gonna make you really suffer in the meanwhile yeah uh so that's that's one narrative that i
01:48think is just caca it's payback for not just saying oh we do want the brook park stadium
01:52great job great job jimmy but the other uh yeah hey thank you for getting that done now here's more
01:57deshaun watson now uh the other narrative i think comes up if you maybe listen to a couple of mary
02:04k cabot's comments today not that she was saying this but more kind of this that the general reaction
02:10to why browns fans think deshaun watson is starting versus shador sanders so here's mary k today
02:16on uh whether sunday will be deshaun's last game and we'll get to that in just a moment there
02:23there we go is sunday deshaun watson's last game is cleveland brown well it could be it possibly could
02:30be i actually do think that uh when he threw out there 400 yards and five touchdowns i think that's
02:36about what it would take for uh browns fans to really give him a chance in cleveland brown stadium
02:41or huntington bank field on september 27th i think he has to have a really really good game to come
02:47back here with any kind of goodwill and try to salvage whatever is left of this thing now uh mary
02:53k
02:53also went on and talked about what uh what to expect from shador
02:59when his time comes this is a fledgling new offense it's a new scheme it's a new terminology
03:05it's five new guys on the offensive line it was always going to have a rocky start it was always
03:11going to have that especially on the road that is why todd munkin did not want to put shador sanders
03:16in that situation to go out there on the road when he knew that the silent counts were going to
03:21be
03:21difficult the crowd noise was going to be difficult and that it was going to be an offense that was
03:25going to be trying to figure out what it was in the fans would have wanted him to go out
03:29and fail
03:29miserably in these first two games on the road with an offense that doesn't have its act together yet
03:34and then where do you go then what do you do then do you start starting deshaun watson or would
03:38you
03:38rather have him go out there and maybe so to speak take the fall a little bit for an offense
03:43that
03:43just nobody knows what it is yet or how it's going to operate so i really do think that by
03:47the time he
03:48gets in there uh he will be more prepared and the offense will be more ready i think there are
03:53a fair
03:54amount of people who hear that and think oh so so this is just deshaun's taking the fall for shador
04:00and at which point i i just if that were to be true i'm just going to go on the
04:05if here yeah that
04:06means the browns will be punting on the early part of their season in a way that i find to
04:10be mild
04:11no no no majorly unacceptable here's the part i can't keep track of so like that makes it sound as
04:16if munkin is a savior to shador yeah as if like as if he's like laying on top of the
04:22grenade and being
04:23like you don't have to go through the hard parts because this is the fans although they'll turn on you
04:27really quickly and we're we're saving you here we conversely we have guys like jason lloyd on
04:32yesterday or not us the morning show at jason lloyd on and he said basically a deal with the
04:36facts munkin likes deshaun watson better just accept that shador fans accept that fact that deshaun
04:42watson likes or todd munkin likes deshaun watson better so which is it is he is he falling on the
04:47grenade and trying to protect shador and being the savior or does he like deshaun watson better and
04:52that's why he's starting week one and that's why this whole thing is happening and just to the big
04:56logic i just sorry just to the big narrative here being a quarterback in the nfl is hard
05:02and damn near impossible to be any good at it so you only get to be a quarterback if the
05:07situation
05:07is absolutely perfect is that the idea yeah and by the way shador i know that quarterback record
05:12isn't the end-all be-all shador did go three and four at the end of a season when that
05:16team could have
05:17given up and he did so without really any help around him with the worst offensive line in the sports
05:23so this kid has already had some modicum of success while put in arguably the worst position
05:29you possibly could no but that was stefanski that you know stefanski threw him out there last year
05:34to go ahead and just watch him flail this is munkin's protecting him don't you get the message munkin
05:39munkin is the savior in this he wouldn't dare throw out your door sanders to be wrecked that early
05:43yeah listen i can accept come on guys i can accept that maybe uh munkin likes uh deshaun more than
05:51shador i just happen to think that maybe munkin is wrong in this one specific matter you know what
05:57i mean like i i just i said that's not the hard thing to to process here but we keep
06:02bending over
06:03backwards to try and logic what the browns are doing when it just might be as simple as
06:11six months ago they decided we're going to give deshaun a couple games and if it doesn't work out
06:15we'll go to the other quarterbacks that feels i feel like i feel like now the one thing that i
06:19railed
06:20against this can't be true this is the dumbest idea if you do it i think it's just easier to
06:24accept they decided deshaun was going to start in march and that when that fell apart they would
06:30then go to either shador dylan or talon whoever was you know first up i just don't like the idea
06:35or the framing of uh this being some sort of big grand gesture that everyone's doing for in name
06:40of shador sanders well get ready for if he goes out there in week three and has success the the
06:44narrative will be i know it's gonna he wouldn't have done this in week one no i is if the
06:48two weeks
06:48drastically changed his whole world view is sitting on the bench and watching other quarterbacks
06:53take practice reps somehow changed his whole world view and how he views quarterbacking and
06:58his ability to process and his ability to do the operations like it's just such it's such bs there's
07:04no other way to put it like guys like the you're not doing anyone a favor by telling them hold
07:08a
07:08clipboard that's not how life works you want to do a favor you would have started them week one that's
07:12how you would have helped him out not starting deshaun watson that would have helped him out none of this
07:16nonsense also if the browns were really concerned about shador's ability to be ready in this whole
07:21scenario they could have checked notes improved that quarterback room at any point this offseason
07:27they could have added another worthy competitor to either shador or deshaun whoever you thought
07:33should be the rightful heir to the quarterback but again at least they would have been honest about
07:37it though like they get the framing of this that is bothersome to me is this that this is somehow
07:41some great big thing that they've done for shador no no no maybe they fell into it maybe they fell
07:46into the idea that the fans are more accepting and more loving of shador than they ever would have
07:51been if they threw him out there week one but they didn't do this to do him a solid they
07:55didn't do
07:56this to help him out and helping anybody out by saying uh hey uh enjoy the bench on on game
08:02day
08:02that's not helping anybody out also how what are you doing to the guys in the locker room who have
08:07to
08:08play and get through it like the guys who will get hurt in the act of trying to find it
08:13together
08:14and you're giving them less of a chance because deshaun is a lesser quarterback yeah i mean that's
08:19the part you said that in the beginning that's i think it's a great point like what are you doing
08:23if you if you if you're holding coach riz his head would explode if that was your logic if your
08:28logic
08:28ended up being we're just going to throw deshaun to the wolves to suck and to really just sit in
08:34it
08:34and just be awful because the easier part of the schedule will be easier for shador
08:38he's just got to get through the first couple weeks like that's just it doesn't make sense guys
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