00:00Emory Hunt wants to fight. Have you heard Emory Hunt lately?
00:04You know, we've gotten into it on social media, but very respectfully in the past.
00:09I thought you guys were like friends.
00:10We've had him on because...
00:12Yeah, we've had him on. But I know that he's been a pro-shador guy.
00:15You necessarily haven't been that pro-shador. He hasn't been that negative.
00:20But I thought you guys were like buds. I didn't realize that.
00:23I think he is wildly entertaining.
00:25We'll get back to the Soresby coming up.
00:27You said five wins now after the trade?
00:29Yeah.
00:29I said six down from seven. You're five down from six, right?
00:34Five down from six is one.
00:35The Pittsburgh game. I'm just making sure. That's all.
00:37So here is Emory Hunt. He says something much different.
00:41CBS Sports HQ, courtesy of that outlet.
00:45But he was on afternoon drive, Emory Hunt was.
00:47I did the schedule game as soon as it came out.
00:50And I said the Browns can win 10 wins. I listed off reasons why.
00:53In that clip that went viral, I said Myles Garrett.
00:56Now, obviously, a couple of weeks later, Myles Garrett gets moved.
00:59And so they had me back on to talk about the schedule game again.
01:02What made me go through the schedule and look at it again without Myles Garrett a part of the team
01:07was the fact that they got Jared Verse.
01:09And I felt like, okay, yeah, Verse is not Myles Garrett.
01:12Myles Garrett is an all-time great future first ballot Hall of Famer.
01:16But Jared Verse ain't no slouch either.
01:18When you look at what he can do, if you think about it from Verse's perspective,
01:22I thought I was entrenched in L.A. with how I played and what we did together as a group.
01:26And he viewed me as expendable.
01:28I'm about to go out here and ball out with the Browns.
01:30We might see him get his first double-digit sack season as a pro based on what he just went
01:35through in terms of getting moved.
01:36For a guy in Myles Garrett.
01:38I still feel like the Browns have enough offensively and defensively to where 10 wins is definitely possible.
01:43I'm actually banking on it that he gets his first double-digit sack season.
01:46I'm looking for 10.
01:48Aren't you?
01:49Out of Jared Verse?
01:51Yeah.
01:52I think that's...
01:53I don't want to get crazy because I don't want people to start hating him because he doesn't measure up
01:58to a certain number.
02:0010's not crazy.
02:01No, no, no.
02:02It's not at all.
02:02So I think he's obviously...
02:04Maybe you watch him, but the thing is, it's how balanced he is.
02:07It's how he can do, not just rush the passer, but he also stops the run.
02:12Well, he's a little bit more rigid than Myles is.
02:15Myles is a very bendy type of person.
02:18Can, you know, get down on the plane, get underneath a tackle.
02:21I mean, the one time I saw him...
02:23God, I think this was rookie camp.
02:24It looked like he was a foot.
02:26His chest was horizontally a foot off the grass.
02:29It was so impressive.
02:30And that was rookie year.
02:31And he's done nothing but get better since then.
02:33I don't know if Jared's that type of guy.
02:35I think Jared's more of a bull rush type of guy.
02:37I think that's probably why he's better against the run than what Myles is.
02:42But regardless, I mean, if you want to say 10 wins, now's the time to do it.
02:46I think about six because of that quarterback situation.
02:49However, Emery is certainly much more positive about the Browns quarterback situation than
02:56what many are.
02:57And he actually goes after some of the media coverage on this quarterback battle.
03:00I was surprised at the lack of layered questions.
03:05Because somebody said, well, Deshaun's out in front.
03:07Okay, explain how.
03:08And he never asked that question.
03:09Because if you just ask one more question, you see their house of cards fall apart.
03:13It goes back to my initial argument.
03:15A lot of people was being disingenuous.
03:17They didn't like Deshaun Watson, but they don't like Shadour Sanders more.
03:22They love the idea of this mythical QB in 2027, just like they did in 2026.
03:27But they saw that blow up in smoke after week one of the college football season.
03:30And so I never really bought into that because it hasn't been played yet.
03:34This is all junior Olympic testing and conditioning going on.
03:37Now they start to switch the tide and say, oh, he's catching up.
03:40They're saying he's catching up because they don't want to say, yo, I was completely wrong.
03:45And when I put out that statement earlier in the minicamp all OTA circuit, I still feel like Shadour is
03:51a leader.
03:51Deshaun has to show that he can do this in games.
03:54Just show him from where he is from a health perspective and a mental space.
03:57And I'm rooting for him because, again, we're talking about a guy that was on a Hall of Fame track
04:02before 2021.
04:03And I think that is hard for some people to forget.
04:06Deshaun has to show to himself that he still has it.
04:09He can kind of recapture a little bit of that spark that he had.
04:11But this is still Shadour Sanders' team, in my opinion.
04:14I want to agree with him on that.
04:16The only thing that I have to say I don't with is, and why I can't agree with him,
04:21is because it was the head coach's conversation himself who said he wanted to have a quarterback pick
04:26by the time training camp got here.
04:28That was his goal.
04:30And when he said that, how could the veteran not probably be, unless it shows that he can't throw the
04:36football,
04:36how could the veteran not be the guy who was the leader for the job?
04:40And once Todd Munkin was able to open that up, now you've seen a difference.
04:44And I think part of that has been because, hopefully, Shadour, and I'm hoping that he has picked up the
04:48offense,
04:49and also because I don't think that Deshaun Watson, from what I'm hearing, because I haven't been there,
04:54has not been able to take the reins of the job.
04:56Listen, it would be so much easier if this were Shadour Sanders.
05:00I said Watson right there, right?
05:01Okay, good.
05:02It would be so much easier if it were Shadour Sanders' team.
05:05It's not his team right now.
05:07Shadour hasn't earned that in the slightest.
05:09If he had earned that, then there'd be no quarterback competition.
05:11He'd be the starter.
05:13And again, people don't like hearing this, but if he were a first-round pick and then performed well,
05:19or at least, you know, wasn't at the bottom basement of every statistical category,
05:26then yeah, it would be his team.
05:28It's not because he didn't play well enough, and he was only a fifth-round pick.
05:32That does matter.
05:33That, to me, though, it becomes impossible, because my first thought was if he's a first-round pick,
05:38then people would think he's a disappointment, but he wouldn't have been put in that position
05:42if he were a first-round pick.
05:43There's no Dylan Gabriel if he's a first-round pick.
05:46Emory disagrees with you guys, and he picked 10 wins, right?
05:49And Jonathan asked him, well, are you picking this with Deshaun as the quarterback
05:53or with Shadour as the quarterback?
05:54This was Emory's answer.
05:56He said he was making those picks with Shadour as the starting quarterback of the Browns.
06:02Here's his answer to why it was 10 wins.
06:04It's always fascinating how the—and I'm not talking about you guys.
06:08I'm talking about the people that are on my side of things that kind of pontificate and talk—
06:13how disingenuous many people are and how they're looking at this Shadour thing with disingenuous eyes.
06:20If Shadour was drafted in the first round,
06:22they talk about his 3-4 finish with the opportunity to go 5-2 to be like, wow.
06:27I mean, look at what he had.
06:28He barely had this and that, and they won three games.
06:31They should have won five.
06:32But because he went in round five, they're saying now, well, he threw 7 touchdowns and 10 picks.
06:38They lose all contact, and they'll bring up QBR and all that stuff like that,
06:41as if QBR matters when we watch Dylan Gabriel perform worse than Shadour with better numbers.
06:47So that tells you how much QBR doesn't matter.
06:49But I'm saying I'll have to say this.
06:51With Shadour out there, you have an ascending talent.
06:53You have a guy that played good football, solid football with, you know, considering the situation,
06:58and now you have better offensive weaponry around him.
07:01He has a stable offseason.
07:03That part I agree, but I think you guys are just going to break your brains if we sit here
07:06and keep going over the fifth-round, first-round thing.
07:08Like, one, you should be able to call him a fifth-rounder because if he ends up being successful,
07:12don't tell me the fifth-round ain't a part of his bio.
07:15It's an awesome story.
07:16The guy that slipped that the rest of the league didn't draft how many times over
07:20ends up being really good and an actual franchise quarterback out of the fifth round?
07:25That's amazing.
07:26That's awesome.
07:27The man loves Tom Brady.
07:29You cannot say any—the bio starts with sixth-round 199 overall.
07:34That's where it starts, and that's where it finishes.
07:36It might be on his headstone, for all we know, by the time it's all said and done.
07:40So you can't tell that story.
07:42But if he's a first-round pick, he's not out there at the end of the year like that.
07:45There's no Dylan Gabriel bridge to Shador Sanders from Joe Flacco.
07:51Now, maybe Joe Flacco still starts the season because you might not think he's ready to start
07:55the year, but there's no Dylan Gabriel.
07:57There's no weirdness.
07:57He's not throwing the ball boys there.
07:59So I can't compare how we would feel if he were a first-round to a fifth-round pick.
08:05You understand what I'm saying?
08:05I just think it's a worthless argument.
08:08I don't know why they're still having that argument.
08:10I'm just going to call it what it was.
08:12He was a fifth-round pick.
08:13If he were a first-round pick, I'd be saying first-round pick.
08:15Because when people say fifth-rounder, they meet it in a nasty fashion.
08:20You and you don't have the best bad side manner.
08:23Is it brought up that way with Brock Purdy?
08:24No, and that's the exact point I'm saying.
08:26It's not negative.
08:27He's Mr. Irrelevant.
08:28Well, Mr. Irrelevant went on and got a $200 million contract.
08:32When people are talking about him being a fifth-round pick, I think Emery is arguing with people
08:36who are dismissing him as, he's a fifth-round pick.
08:38The NFL thinks he sucks.
08:40That's why it was a fifth-round pick.
08:41See, that is going to bother a guy like Emery.
08:43It's going to bother a guy like me.
08:45But if you just break it down and say it's a fifth-round pick.
08:48I understand this.
08:49If the league would have thought he was better and was worth taking in the first round, he
08:54would not have gone in the fifth-round pick.
08:56You're right, but I can't fight that with what if he were a first-round pick.
08:59Because if he were a first-round pick, the numbers would look tremendously different.
09:02But he'd have a longer leash.
09:04Of course.
09:04First-round picks always get a longer leash.
09:06Of course.
09:07That's why you also have to mention.
09:08And he would have been in earlier.
09:09That's why you also have to mention he was a fifth-round pick.
09:11And he wouldn't have been fourth on the depth chart.
09:13He wouldn't have been throwing to trash cans.
09:15He wouldn't have been throwing to ball boys.
09:16It hurt him that he was a fifth-round pick.
09:18That's how it is.
09:19Nothing's carved out for you when you're a fifth-round pick.
09:22And that's why it's relevant.
09:23He's a fifth-rounder.
09:24At some point, I have to accept that.
09:26And I have to move on.
09:27I don't think it has to be a negative.
09:29Because I can look at it and go, hey, he was a fifth-rounder last year.
09:31And he's competing with a guy that they paid $230 million to be the start of this football team.
09:36But we just want to focus on all the nasty stuff about it.
09:38But that's the way it goes.
09:39The other thing is, the record.
09:41You want to talk about disingenuous.
09:42He loves using that term.
09:43He always uses that term when he comes on.
09:44I love how he.
09:46Everybody's going on the wrong show.
09:48I want to hear these two go at it again.
09:49We've had them on.
09:50I love it.
09:50We have had them on.
09:51I love it.
09:51But the most disingenuous thing ever is to talk about those wins at the end of the year
09:57over Pittsburgh and Cincinnati as if he had anything to do with those wins.
10:00He had nothing to do with those wins.
10:02That was mild.
10:02Well, Son had to throw the passes.
10:04Yeah.
10:04So, Mitch Trubisky, was he the reason his team went 12-4?
10:08Mitch Trubisky got another year because of that, though.
10:10Mitch Trubisky got another year because of that.
10:12And he was number two overall.
10:13And what did they do?
10:14They immediately yanked the job from him the first chance they got because they didn't
10:18believe in it because it was fool's gold.
10:20He had a lot of other things working in his favor during that time.
10:24Well, the problem for Shador is he doesn't have Miles Garrett working in his favor to earn
10:29those wins like he did at the end of last year where Shador did not play well in those
10:33two games.
10:33There are no numbers that show that he played well in those two games.
10:36We don't have to lie.
10:37We don't have to be disingenuous to use his terms that he won those last two games.
10:42You keep being that way, he ain't going to come on with us.
10:44I'll say it to his face.
10:46I think I said it last time to his face.
10:47Tough talking tone.
10:48He loves using that term.
10:49Tough talking tone.
10:49Tough talking tone.
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