00:00Well, we are in the quiet time right now, Nick,
00:02and obviously that means there's going to be a lot of individual theories
00:07popping up about the Browns quarterback position.
00:11And by and large, all I've asked,
00:14and I think I've heard a video or two from you from last week.
00:17I think you're in the same place.
00:18All I really want is a legitimate competition.
00:21And however that plays out, I can live with,
00:24because I think that's going to give you the best chance to win,
00:26because I think that's the thing that the locker room can get behind.
00:29I'm not sure where you are with it.
00:30I am.
00:31That is where I'm at with this.
00:32And I just think that they don't have their long-term answer in the room.
00:37So if you don't have that long-term answer for this year,
00:40I at least want the best quarterback on the field.
00:42If it's Watson, I guess I'll stomach the bad feeling that I have in my stomach
00:47about putting Deshaun Watson back on the field,
00:49if that's genuinely what Todd Munkin thinks is best for the Browns.
00:53I don't love it, but I guess I'll sign up for it because I'm a Browns fan.
00:57And I would be more intrigued to see Shador, who is younger,
01:00and I think fits the timeline of this roster a lot more.
01:02But I can't be naive to the fact that it doesn't feel like the Browns love Shador
01:07as much as everybody else wants to love Shador.
01:10Yeah, I would look at it like if you decide Deshaun's the right guy,
01:15you better be right.
01:16Because that's going to bring up a lot of feelings, a lot of,
01:19and most of them not positive.
01:21And it's going to cause more infighting for fans,
01:25which I'm really just done with after the last five years of moving on from
01:29Baker into the Deshaun stuff into the worst trade in NFL history.
01:32Whereas with Shador, even if Shador fails, I'll say to myself,
01:36well, okay, we have the answer.
01:38You know what I mean?
01:39Like, I think Shador has a better chance of being a success in the NFL
01:43than people want to give him credit for.
01:44Because he does the thing that is hard to teach.
01:47He has a natural feel for playmaking.
01:50You cannot, like, it's the thing of why Dylan Gabriel was so unwatchable last year.
01:55No offense, Dylan, little fella.
01:56It's okay.
01:57All right?
01:58It's a safe place.
01:58All right?
01:59Not really.
02:00He's a tiny little guy.
02:02Like, I feel like if you can naturally make plays and have some rhythm to yourself,
02:07then it's on the coaches to coach the rest out of you.
02:10I just don't love that for whatever reason,
02:13here we sit in another offseason.
02:17Nick, why is this even a competition?
02:19It is where I'm at.
02:21Like, Deshaun Watson hasn't been a good quarterback in six years.
02:24I'll tell you why it's a competition.
02:26And I truly believe this.
02:27It's because if Shador is going to do anything in the NFL,
02:30he has to win over a locker room.
02:32And I think there are plenty of guys in that locker room that like him.
02:36But to be an anointed quarterback, you have to basically get as many guys on your side as possible.
02:45I don't know he had that last year because of the position he was in.
02:48That's fair.
02:49And I feel like, you know, the position that he was in kind of clouds even this year.
02:53You know, the fact that they tried to do the four-man quarterback competition thing
02:56and Shador was thrown to ball boys at this time last summer,
03:00I feel like currently is holding Shador back in this competition against Deshaun Watson.
03:05Because why is everybody reporting that Watson has this inside edge?
03:09It's because he's the veteran in the room.
03:11Because he's seen it all.
03:12He's been in different offenses.
03:14He led the league in passing six years ago.
03:16And Shador just doesn't have that same experience.
03:19Because this time last year, he was being treated like an afterthought.
03:22Well, with Deshaun Watson, everybody said,
03:24if he is going to be the franchise quarterback that gets the Browns back into an AFC championship game
03:30and into a Super Bowl, everybody would be able to look past the other stuff with Deshaun.
03:36And I'm currently of the belief that the other stuff with Deshaun is a little bit heavier
03:41and it's a little bit more serious than gambling on your own team as an 18-year-old kid.
03:47Yeah.
03:47Also, just in terms of, I get that Arch Leister's the only other guy that we have in football
03:54that gambled, and so that's the only comparison we can make.
03:59The Browns have to decide, to Andrew Barry's credit, I thought he put it very well,
04:04you have to decide, is this a personal flaw that extends much deeper than just even addiction
04:10or is this somebody who made a bad decision?
04:14And again, it doesn't mean they're going to be right,
04:16but that is essentially the choice that they're going to be making.
04:18Now, here was Ochocinco on the nightcap show talking about the Browns' planet quarterback,
04:25at least from what he's heard.
04:27Cleveland Browns fan or not, Deshaun Watson is the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
04:31The job that Deshaun Watson is going to get, Uncle Joe, it is his job to lose.
04:35He has six weeks.
04:36I guarantee you, listen to me now, I'm telling you, I'm calling it right now, Uncle Joe.
04:40He has six weeks to make sure that team is playing above or better than whatever the expectations may be
04:48for that team and that quarterback.
04:50If he's not, Shador Sanders will fall in line as the backup and be the starter for the remainder of
04:56this season.
04:56So I want to compare this to last year.
04:58Last year, I think when Kenny Pickett got hurt and they realized they didn't have enough time
05:04to establish Kenny as the starter, they pivoted to Joe Flacco.
05:07And I do think the Browns thought, not only are we going to see, and we actually have Jimmy Haslam
05:12saying we're going to see all these quarterbacks last year, but I think they thought, all right,
05:16we'll do Joe for maybe the first quarter of the season, see if we can be competitive.
05:20And then if not, we're going to pivot to QB, you know, the next QB one, which in the end
05:24would be Dylan Gabriel.
05:26And then we're going to have Dylan four or five weeks.
05:28And if that doesn't work, then we'll pivot to the next quarterback.
05:31I am vehemently against the idea of going into a season with a plan of,
05:36I'm going to start this quarterback for six weeks and then we'll see.
05:40Like, I just don't understand how you can go into successive seasons thinking that way,
05:46which makes me believe that the Browns aren't actually thinking this way and that this is
05:50a Ocho Cinco creation or that maybe it's kind of the game of telephone that happens when
05:55players and ex-players talk to each other.
05:57But I just, I have to believe the Browns after last year and how disastrous the quarterback
06:03position went and the offense went.
06:05I have to believe they learned their lesson from that.
06:07I hope, I hope if you want to start somebody, your hope is that they are the week one starter
06:14and the week 18 starter.
06:16What is the point of starting somebody in week one if you're going to have a different quarterback
06:22in week seven?
06:24Yeah.
06:24It doesn't make much sense to me.
06:25However, not to play it to a fear here, I do fear that this is some sort of game of
06:32telephone that's gone on.
06:33Have you seen the internet sleuths that have done some digging on the, I think people, the
06:38Jerry Judy picture, Jerry Judy was hanging out with Ocho Cinco like a couple of days ago.
06:42Yeah.
06:42Um, yeah, I think that's a fair fear to hear or to say, here's what I'm going to say though.
06:49Um, when it comes back to the quarterback position and getting it right, you cannot week six is
06:55so early.
06:56You cannot go into a season saying we're going to juggle quarterbacks and hope it works out.
07:00I understand that they might, maybe this is their way of not being good this year.
07:04You have to give whoever wins the job, even if it's Deshaun and you guys know, I have no
07:09faith in Deshaun, I have no interest in Deshaun, but you have to give those guys in the locker
07:14room a fair chance.
07:16These guys are risking their necks.
07:18They're risking, uh, their, their livelihoods to go out there.
07:22And it's a, it sounds a little collectively bargained of, well, Deshaun's going to get six
07:29weeks and then we'll, Shador gets after that.
07:32If Deshaun can't take the job, you look at the first six weeks, you just don't need to do that.
07:35Dude, you look at the first six weeks at Jacksonville, at Tampa, back home against Carolina, back
07:41home against Pittsburgh.
07:42That's the Thursday night football game.
07:44Then you've got the Jets and the Ravens.
07:47That's like, that's going to be the six game sample size we get of Deshaun Watson to see
07:52if he could ever play football again.
07:53We're going to have no answer that unless he gets hurt.
07:56And the answer is no, that he can't play football again within those six weeks.
07:59How are you going to know?
08:01Well, while the rest of the offensive line is still coming together, well, you've got Concepcion and
08:05Boston trying to figure things out in their rookie seasons.
08:08You're going to, you're going to write an entire book on Deshaun Watson, the Browns in
08:13the first six games of the season.
08:14That feels like a mistake.
08:15Also the, we're going to see it play out happens in the final four to five weeks of the season.
08:20And it's what happened with Jalen hurts at the end of 2020 that those are the times where
08:25this stuff makes sense in the NFL, not at the beginning of the season.
08:29You don't, Oh, Hey, how does he look?
08:31You don't, you don't do this trial balloon at the beginning of the season.
08:34And at some point, and again, I think the Browns are too smart to think like this.
08:38So I'm going to say that I think the Browns are too smart to do this, especially after
08:43the way last year went and how it completely sunk Kevin Stefanski's chances in his final
08:47year as a head coach, even though Kevin was a huge part of the decision-making behind that.
08:52But you just, you owe it to that locker room to not do something that's disingenuous.
08:57And if you say, Oh, Deshaun's won the starting, if you make this whole case, Sean wants the
09:02start, it was one, the starting job and six weeks in you've pivoted off of him.
09:07You've told me that this was your plan all along.
09:09And that's the kind of stuff.
09:11That's how front office is cost head coaches, their jobs and how it costs locker room, their
09:16chance to compete in the NFL.
09:18You can't do it two years in a row.
09:21That's not how you build a winning culture.
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