00:00It's Lyman's going to open up the gates for you as a baseball fan in this city.
00:04Five minutes.
00:06Lyman just said something that just, it will blow your doors off.
00:10Also, 922, if you've ever had to tell your five-year-old bad news, we need you.
00:15A listener needs you.
00:19That's a good one.
00:20This is, I don't know how many days you go.
00:22Because now I think he might be pressing and he's thinking too much.
00:25It's been four days since the day it happened.
00:27But I say ages five to ten at least.
00:32Yeah.
00:32I ripped the Band-Aid off the night before it happened.
00:35Didn't go over great.
00:37All right, that coming up at 922.
00:38That's insider trading.
00:39Well, fair enough.
00:42I mean, you guys have accused me of committing other crimes during this show today.
00:45So what the hell?
00:46Coming in hot.
00:47Racketeering.
00:48I was a juvenile when that happened, though.
00:50So you can't, I mean, whatever.
00:51Statue of limitations.
00:53943 coming in hot this morning.
00:55216-474-0092.
00:56Uh, Greg Rosenthal.
00:59He was on Afternoon Drive.
01:03NFL.com.
01:04NFL Daily.
01:05Yes.
01:05Uh, no.
01:06Oh, three.
01:07I'd be.
01:07Oh, three.
01:07Oh, three.
01:08It's on there.
01:08Oh, three.
01:09Uh, Greg Rosenthal.
01:11NFL Daily Podcast.
01:12NFL.com.
01:13Uh, he's saying the quiet part.
01:15Actually, it's a loud part.
01:17Out loud.
01:17About the Browns QB race.
01:18Hit it.
01:19I don't want to see Deshaun Watson play football.
01:21And again, I'm sick of it.
01:23I'm sick of the case being made that now it's going to work when just the evidence is completely
01:28to the contrary.
01:29Even throwing out everything in terms of the sexual assault allegations and the suspension.
01:34I just feel like he's a sunk cost.
01:36And I'm rooting for Shador Sanders in that battle.
01:38Because to me, it's just going to be more interesting to see Shador with a fun, I think,
01:41young core of players.
01:43I like Casey Concepcion, a great deal.
01:46I loved what I saw when John Jenkins was healthy a year ago.
01:49The offensive line, we'll see.
01:50But it's at least, uh, on paper, intriguing.
01:53So, to me, that's just from a kind of layman's point of view of someone who's not, doesn't
01:57have skin in the game.
01:58Like, that's a more interesting team to watch.
02:00If it doesn't work out, then they'll be looking for a quarterback next year.
02:03I do believe that Todd Munkin will be fair.
02:05So, that's why I will take his decision.
02:08I will accept his decision.
02:10If it's Deshaun Watson, fine.
02:12But Greg Rosenthal is, he must have been listening to the show over the last three months.
02:17Because that's exactly what we, that's exactly what I want.
02:20I think you seem to want the same thing.
02:22I don't know.
02:22You have not brought up, as a guy who championed the trade, you have not brought up anything
02:26about wanting to see Deshaun Watson as the starter of this football team.
02:29And it's funny, because if Deshaun Watson started and actually lived up to the billion,
02:34which nobody really thinks is even on the table still, at this point, we're just,
02:38we're just praying, if he started, that he could even be, like, average, right?
02:43I've lost all hope that he's the guy that I desperately wanted way back when.
02:47But you haven't heard me even want him to start.
02:49Like, I'd rather, I'd rather have...
02:51And it's basically for all those reasons.
02:53And me as a fan, like, I want it to matter for some way, because even short-term,
02:58short-term, you could try to say veteran, veteran, veteran, veteran, veteran.
03:01Okay, that's why I will accept Todd Munkin, and I won't start screaming about it.
03:05Unless this continues into training camp, and you see one guy in preseason look way better
03:09in that Shador Sanders, then I guess we're going to take off our gloves and get mad at
03:13each other over this.
03:14But if he decides that he's making his decision, and he wants to go with the veteran, fine.
03:19But if it comes down to me looking at just what makes the season count for something,
03:24it's like, yeah, you do the second-year guy.
03:26And I'm not talking about Dylan Gabriel.
03:28I think it's best for everybody involved with Dylan Gabriel.
03:30They found a way to move on from Dylan Gabriel, and he could find a fresh start somewhere
03:34else.
03:34It's gotten to the point I feel bad for him, especially yesterday when him and Jared
03:37Verse are wearing the same number, for crying out loud, or two days ago.
03:40I felt bad for him.
03:42I want this season to matter in any fashion, and that means to me that Shador Sanders is
03:47the starter for this football team.
03:49Now, I don't want him to be entitled.
03:51I don't want him to be handed the job.
03:54I want him to earn the job.
03:56And I think if he's close, I think the tie goes to the second-year guy.
03:59I'm with you.
03:59That people don't remember nothing but terrible football and what could have been when he
04:04hits the field.
04:06Like, I don't think, does anybody out there, I know people get on the internet and they
04:10get annoyed by Shador Sanders fans.
04:12I can't deny that annoyance from Browns fans.
04:15But you're telling, there's, yeah, if he throws a bunch of picks, you'll boo him.
04:20You'll boo anybody who throws a bunch of picks.
04:23But we know we've been through this, guys.
04:25Anyways, Deshaun Watson hits the field week one or week three, their first home game.
04:30Is it really that big of an excitement level?
04:32Are you really clapping?
04:34Are you really going nuts?
04:36Shador Sanders hits the field.
04:38You're going to hope for something.
04:39Yeah.
04:40You're going to hope for something.
04:41Yeah.
04:41And you know, that first three and out with Deshaun Watson is going to be met with big-time
04:46boos.
04:47Wasting our time.
04:47With Shador, yeah, there'll be some boos, but it's not going to be anything like that.
04:50What did you make, though, after this big conversation we had about Todd Munkin, Deion Sanders, of
04:58which we both agreed, you wouldn't know that based on the comments of the video that got
05:02put up.
05:02People thought we were either going after the quarterback or his dad, or it was the opposite.
05:08They thought you were too much a fan of Shador.
05:11It was very bizarre yesterday.
05:12Very bizarre day.
05:13I think people have gotten in their camps.
05:15Sure.
05:15Yeah.
05:16100%.
05:17It's basically politics.
05:19But what did you think of Dabo Sweeney and his staffers, Deshaun Watson's head coach
05:25from college, showing up at OTAs yesterday?
05:27I wanted to do a champion's pose is what I wanted to do.
05:30Because the whole argument was, this guy's a helicopter dad.
05:34I heard it all yesterday.
05:36I got taken through the gamut yesterday on the internet.
05:38And I get it, guys.
05:40I know that much has been made of Shador Sanders, and not very many of us at all.
05:46I would say 90-plus percent of Browns fans feel, myself included, that your future quarterback
05:51is in college.
05:52But I can't do that right now.
05:54I can't fast forward to 2027.
05:56I'd much rather see Shador play.
05:58But that being all pointed out, I just want to be fair to every different conversation.
06:02And just because, like, if I felt that Shador was an entitled, spoiled brat, the way that
06:07some people were describing him to me on the internet, even if I felt that way, I learned
06:13some things from you.
06:14I can't let that play in to this argument.
06:17I can't.
06:18As much as I might want to if I felt that way, I can't let that play in.
06:22Case by case here.
06:23I brought up Jed Fish.
06:26I brought up, I actually brought up Dabo Sweeney.
06:28I go, Dabo Sweeney, if you guys want to talk about the success of the coaches, Dabo Sweeney's
06:32a two-time national champion, came on here and said that Taj Boyd was going to save our
06:37franchise.
06:38Taj Boyd, who did not even get drafted by us.
06:41Guys stand by their guys.
06:43And you still talk to them later on.
06:45Coaches will always, I didn't realize that people didn't know that coaches will call each
06:48other all the time.
06:50Like, there's definitely coaches who hate each other, but they will call each other all
06:53the time and try to find any ways.
06:55If you are, quote, saddled with a guy or it's like, hey, this is your quarterback room.
06:58You got to make it work.
07:00Yeah.
07:01I'd be calling up Bill O'Brien.
07:03I'd be calling up Dabo Sweeney.
07:05I'd be calling up, just like I said, Deion Sanders.
07:08I'd be calling up Pat Shermer.
07:10If I was stuck with Dylan Gabriel, Dan Lanning's on the phone or whoever with the Oregon Ducks
07:15is on the phone.
07:16I'm telling you right now, you do what you can.
07:19Dan Lanning better move here full time if he wants his player, his quarterback to get
07:24a shot here.
07:24You do what you can to try to unlock and try to find information and see what's going
07:29to be something that helps him.
07:31Because I can't just sit there and go, well, he can't run my offense.
07:34Well, too bad.
07:35The guy who can run your offense is either in college or not walking through that door.
07:39You have what you have and you're supposed to win games now.
07:42So he can't just throw up.
07:43I was shocked that people did not know.
07:47I hate to be football guy, ball knower dude here.
07:50I was shocked that people didn't realize that coaches call each other all the time and to
07:54not call his coach, even though, yeah, it's his dad and his dad's famous.
07:57Yeah.
07:58It's a little bit weird.
07:59It's a little bit weird to not reach out at all.
08:01That's the way I felt.
08:02Lime is throwing down the gauntlet for Cleveland fans right now.
08:05I want you guys to hear this because this is your chance.
08:07The Guardians just took out two or three against the Yankees and we had a conversation about
08:13this and here is one snippet.
08:16I came away from this series and many other series that the Guardians have played already
08:20so excited about this season, excited about their future because you got young guys, rookies
08:26contributing to this team and their winning and how good they are.
08:29And they were picking up Jose Ramirez.
08:32If he continues to get hot, I think that they are a really tough out for any one of these
08:36big market, high spending teams out there.
08:39I think that this is a team that could definitely be in the ALCS by the time that this season
08:43is done.
08:44We'll swirl the dice once you get there, but I think this is an ALCS team right now.
08:48And what did Slade Ciccone say yesterday?
08:50Said they could be in play with anybody.
08:52They can beat anybody in this league.
08:54And he's talking about, we all know game to game.
08:56He whispered it.
08:56He's talking about playoffs, right?
08:58I mean, he's talking about a series.
09:00Absolutely.
09:00And I thought about it.
09:01I asked Ken, just point blank out of nowhere.
09:04It was a hell of a question.
09:05I said, can you imagine what this is going to be like?
09:08Like, if they win the World Series, that this team, this is the team, this is the baseball
09:14team.
09:14And you said that there will be people who drop in acting like they've been watching
09:18them all year.
09:19And I want to know, like, is it up to us as a fan base right now to start acknowledging?
09:24Now, Cavs are done.
09:26Browns has traded miles.
09:27Garrett.
09:27Garrett, is it up to the fan base right now to understand that this team absolutely has
09:31a chance to win the whole thing?
09:32It's not just young.
09:33They're young and they're good and they contribute to each other.
09:35And they're better than last year.
09:37But they're, I think, yeah, exactly.
09:39I agree with you.
09:39They're obviously better than last year.
09:41And when you're beating, I know it was early in the season.
09:43We take two or three from the Dodgers, take two or three from the Yankees.
09:46You're proving you could compete with anybody.
09:48So I think you're right.
09:50I think it's, if now or never, when it comes to paying attention to them, because you don't
09:54want to be one of the people that dropped in, because there are gatekeepers of all three
09:57teams, especially when it comes to the Guardians.
09:59So I've got to make sure you have a lot of safety.
09:59But I don't want to get to be one of the people that you need to do next year.
09:59And it's just like you're on the other side.
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