00:00The only thing that I don't love about minicamps and rookie minicamps is it gets the football juices flowing, and
00:07then there's no payoff.
00:08Yeah, but you know I love watching the videos, and I love overreacting to the videos, and I just get
00:13excited.
00:14Coach Riz already texting. I'm sure you got some texts from Coach Riz as well.
00:18I had some follow-up questions for Coach Riz. We'll see when he's on his mass text.
00:22We'll see how quick it takes him to get back to me or not.
00:24He doesn't expect the follow-ups, I think. I think he expects people just to read it and take it
00:29in.
00:29What were your takeaways from Coach Riz's takeaways from rookie?
00:33I'm happy you asked. The KC Concepcion buzz is real.
00:39He's a Concepcion apologist.
00:41I know he is.
00:41With love for Coach, I'm glad he's looking good against other college players, but the Concepcion buzz is real.
00:49Talk to me week one, or at least talk to me in training camp.
00:52He catches the football naturally, does not fight the ball at the catch point,
00:56and then goes into the idea that once the ball gets in his hands,
00:58the explosiveness shows up immediately.
01:02Dynamic player in space.
01:04Listen, I believe Coach believes that.
01:07I believe Coach might be biased for KC Concepcion.
01:10Why is he biased towards KC Concepcion?
01:12Because he has shown a Concepcion bias since day one.
01:15Why? He likes a guy.
01:16He's the guy that says...
01:17It's not biased if he likes a guy.
01:19This is the only downside of having a great coach with us every week.
01:24Why is it when somebody likes something, they're biased?
01:25That's actually...
01:26Isn't that in the name?
01:28No, but the idea of like...
01:30So he can be...
01:31How are you objective, but also then like something is what I'm trying to ask.
01:35I don't think you can be.
01:36I think the whole idea of having...
01:38You can be objective and hate something.
01:40I don't think you can.
01:41No, I think if you have a feeling on something that is the first thing that happens when you think
01:47about that thing,
01:48you can't be truly objective.
01:50Or it's just you like something.
01:52You can be somewhat objective, but you will have a blind spot if you have a passionate feeling either way.
01:58He doesn't know KC Concepcion from a hole in the wall.
02:01Like, this is the first that he's...
02:02I mean, he obviously dived into him in the draft process, but he's got no leading stake for KC Concepcion.
02:07Other than he's identified he likes him as a prospect.
02:09Concepcion has to...
02:10And Concepcion earned that.
02:12But like part of that idea is that he sees him in person now.
02:14He's a big fan.
02:15I mean, that seems like that is what it is.
02:17He likes the cut of his gym.
02:19It's against other rookies.
02:20This is where KC should look good.
02:22I want to see it.
02:23And I said week one.
02:25That's unfair.
02:25I want to see it in camp.
02:27Right?
02:27I don't want to say in camp.
02:28I mean, in training camp.
02:29Because I know, listen, I do think last year, the pick that I disliked the most out of your first
02:37four picks
02:37was Carson Swessinger, Defensive Rookie of the Year.
02:40And that one was very, it was very obvious, like two practices, not even two, like the
02:44first time you saw him in real live settings, you're like, okay, this guy's great.
02:48I mean, he retired Jordan Hicks.
02:50Yeah.
02:50Because Jordan Hicks was like, I can't lose my green dot to a rookie at the end of my career.
02:54So, I do think there's a decent chance that if KC can just catch at a reasonable rate,
03:00he's going to make enough plays to make me look like a clown.
03:04Like, Denzel Boston's a little trickier to me just because he's going to win a different way.
03:09Like, when you just have some God-given explosiveness slash feistiness,
03:15and I do think those two things really pair well with each other.
03:18Once he gets the ball, he's trying to go for a home run, and he's not afraid to get physical.
03:22Those are good things if you're an undersized, relatively wide receiver.
03:27So, I think he has the thing to kind of shock people this year.
03:30It's also a first-round pick.
03:32Denzel was a first-round talent that fell to pick 39.
03:35But, like, it wouldn't surprise me if I was just wrong about KC Concepcion,
03:39but it's a yes or no thing.
03:40Did you catch the football well enough?
03:42And that's obviously the big question he's going to have to answer,
03:45and going to have to be good enough at.
03:46And then what Coach was getting at here was that some of the concentration issues
03:50and some of that didn't show up, at least in this practice,
03:52which I don't know what to take with that.
03:54I have no idea.
03:55Coach is a fan.
03:57I just – every coach I've ever met, the only downside to the many great coaches
04:01that I've had the pleasure of talking with is they think they can coach.
04:05Whatever your worst trait is, they think they can coach it out of you.
04:08No, they definitely do.
04:09But what I like about Coach –
04:10And that is a blind spot.
04:11What Coach Riz has in this role, though,
04:13is the idea that he doesn't care if KC Concepcion is good or bad.
04:16I think he wants me to be wrong.
04:17I think he knows I'm the originator of KC Concepcion, no reception.
04:21He only looks at what's in front of him, and that's it.
04:23That's all – blank canvas.
04:25He just sees – he sees ball, and that's all he can go off of.
04:28Now, with this being said, I do think it's going to be really fun to see
04:32who actually emerges as wide receiver one for the Browns this year
04:35because I couldn't tell you right now who I think it's going to be.
04:39Like, I think there's a decent chance that all three of the guys that I think
04:42are going to end up getting the most receptions if they're playing the full season,
04:46and that's Denzel Boston, that is KC Concepcion and Jerry Judy.
04:51To me, it's – everybody gets a third of the pie here
04:54on who could end up developing to be the most prolific statistical receiver this year.
04:58I mean, I think it's got to be between those three, right?
05:00I think we can take Tylan Wallace out of the equation.
05:02We can take Sed – we can take Sed Tillman out of the equation.
05:05We can take Isaiah Bond.
05:06The Browns might take him out of the equation.
05:06They might.
05:06They really might.
05:08Like, it really is.
05:09It's a three-person race.
05:11But the idea that it's not soundly Jerry Judy is the problem that we have here.
05:15Because it should be soundly Jerry Judy, but Jerry hasn't done enough this last year.
05:19I just think it's tough.
05:20Also, final year of Jerry Judy matters in this equation as well.
05:23So, Jerry has been, with the Browns, at his best, he's a really good receiver.
05:29Put up good stats.
05:30But he hasn't been a home run hitter.
05:32And I don't know that that's entirely his fault.
05:34He has – look at the quarterbacks that he's played with.
05:36But, like, at least with Concepcion.
05:38Like, I think Concepcion should get on the board seven, eight times this year.
05:44It's a high number, but sure.
05:45And even if he has low, like, you know, receiving yards or, you know, he becomes a little bit
05:50more of a gadget player.
05:51The leading receiver for the Browns last year in touchdowns, I think it was four is what
05:54they finished up with.
05:55We only had two guys over two.
05:56Yeah.
05:57That can't be repeated.
05:59It can be.
05:59But it should not be repeated with the talent you have on offense.
06:02If you don't have at least –
06:04Agreed.
06:04If you don't have at least two or three guys above five touchdown receptions, it's a massive failure.
06:09Bad touchdown team from last year.
06:12But I can't just excuse it away and say, then all of a sudden a rookie comes in and he's
06:16going to get seven or eight.
06:17But I think it's going to be interesting to see how we define what is wide receiver number
06:22one.
06:23Because I think Jerry Judah could go back to having a thousand-yard season.
06:26I haven't given up on Jerry.
06:28Last year was frustrating.
06:29And he had an attitude issue that was very apparent.
06:32And I don't know where that came from or the why.
06:35It was frustrating, though.
06:36If you ask him, he would just tell you he was dealing with things beyond football.
06:40Yeah.
06:40Which, again, that's fine.
06:43But when it affects your relationship with the media and your relationship with the fans,
06:48that's – work on that is what I would say.
06:50But it wouldn't surprise me if he was the leading receiver yards-wise.
06:54By the way, we have also forgot Harold Fennin Jr., even though I know he's a tight end.
06:58But it would not surprise me if he was your wide receiver one in terms of production.
07:02Yeah, it's who Shador felt the most comfortable going with last year.
07:05That actually would be – the guys who I think have the best chance to lead this team
07:08in touchdowns next year, which would be the other way, it would be Concepcion or Fennin.
07:14And I'd probably lean heavily towards Fennin.
07:16But in fairness, I will admit my obvious Harold Fennin Jr. bias, not only because he's a BG kid,
07:23but because he's the one guy I trusted on offense last year.
07:26Yeah, I don't even think that's bias.
07:28I think you just like the guy.
07:29No, that's bias.
07:30That is.
07:32Like, I'm admitting that I can be mostly objective on Harold Fennin Jr.,
07:35but I can't be completely objective.
07:37Okay.
07:37It's not like an offer on Switch.
07:39Like, it is – there are shades to it.
07:42I mean, I just – how do you describe if you just like somebody?
07:47That you have some sort of bias.
07:48It's okay.
07:51Can't you have negative bias, though?
07:53That's kind of what I was asking in the initial question.
07:55Yes, you can have positive and negative bias.
07:57I have negative bias with KC Concepcion until he wins me over, 100%.
08:01So I am from the opposite side of the aisle.
08:04Am I throwing bombs at Coach Riz, 100% admitted on air in front of everyone?
08:10If Coach Riz's mom was out there dropping passes, he'd be like,
08:14can't have her on the team.
08:15You know what I mean?
08:15I just think he –
08:17I think Coach Riz would say, I think we can coach her up.
08:19I think that's what he'd say.
08:20I think he'd be like, I'm sorry.
08:22He made this whole impassioned thing for Deshaun Watson starting week one.
08:25He's like, you've got to go with the best players in the field.
08:27You've got to constantly look at the best players in the field.
08:30Yeah, but they don't judge that just by the production.
08:32They judge it by talent.
08:35Right?
08:36Well, yeah.
08:36I mean, that's an all-encompassing thing, sure.
08:39Yeah, yeah, yeah.
08:39So if his mom was dropping passes,
08:42but she was the most physically gifted wide receiver,
08:44that's wide receiver one in terms of what they're scheming up.
08:49Not if you're dropping that many passes.
08:50I think Coach would be like, you've got to hit the hay.
08:53Hit the hay, mom.
08:54Right in front of Mother's Day.
08:55Can't have it.
08:56Who do you think has the best chance to be wide receiver one?
08:59I mean, I'm just assuming it's Jerry Judy,
09:00because I don't know what you're going to get out of either of the wide receivers,
09:03and I like both of them.
09:05And so I just don't know what you're going to get out of them.
09:07I tend to like Boston more than I like Concepcion,
09:09because I had that thought prior to the draft.
09:12But I told you even when they drafted Concepcion,
09:14it's everything up until the spot where he actually catches the ball,
09:18and then he has to catch it.
09:20And then everything after is dynamic.
09:22And so if he can actually harness that and figure out how to catch the ball,
09:25which has been a problem for a lot of people on this team,
09:27I think he's going to have a dynamic year.
09:28In a weird way, isn't it a failure if Jerry Judy's your best wide receiver?
09:32Because he might not be here in a year, no matter what stats he puts up.
09:34Well, and so this is part of the bigger conversation.
09:36Is this a long-term thing with Jerry Judy,
09:39or is it the final year of Jerry Judy, and he's just going to be out the door?
09:41And I think they took two wide receivers for this to be the final year of Jerry Judy.
09:45But if Shador or Deshaun are rolling and Jerry Judy's your best receiver,
09:50you can't just turn away from him because you understand that he's going to be a free agent
09:52at the end of the year.
09:53No, I think I meant it more like I think I need either Concepcion or Boston to be,
10:01even if it's not Swessinger good,
10:03I need them to be either Mason Graham or Harold Fenton Jr. good,
10:06where you're like, oh, damn, maybe they only put up 800 yards this year
10:10and four touchdowns, but you get another season in that person.
10:14Or maybe upgrade the quarterback,
10:16and that's somebody we can count on with the new quarterback,
10:19assuming you're going to get a new quarterback in a year.
10:20Yeah, but I think that's kind of what this year is all about,
10:23is trying to figure out which guys you can trust, which guys you can't,
10:25which ones are going to be, when you do draft that quarterback,
10:28going to be able to usher them into the next venture of Browns football.
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