00:00Browns beginning voluntary OTAs this week, today specifically, and Myles Garrett is a no-show here.
00:08Yeah, and so it's interesting, I'm thinking about this and trying to put this in the same way that people
00:12are treating Lamar Jackson, for instance.
00:14And first off, I think there's a clear distinction between the two that we have to acknowledge.
00:19But if the argument is Lamar's there because he's got a brand new head coach, brand new offensive coordinator,
00:25and Lamar typically isn't there, but new circumstances, he probably should be there.
00:30You'd think the same would fall for Myles Garrett.
00:32It'd fall under that same umbrella.
00:33For myself, it doesn't because I think Lamar's playing for a Super Bowl this year, potentially, and I don't know
00:38that Myles is.
00:39In fact, I can confidently say Myles is not.
00:41I also can confidently say that Myles is not playing for a Super Bowl this year.
00:48But I don't think that should take away from the meaning of it.
00:52And it's interesting.
00:54Listen, if anyone's take on this is, yeah, this is just kind of Myles.
00:58He doesn't go to OTAs.
01:00I'm not, like, of the things that I am wildly passionate about, this really isn't one of them.
01:05Do I think it's a little different this year having a new head coach in place and having some instability
01:11to the quarterback spot?
01:13Yes.
01:13Showing up to voluntary OTAs doesn't mean you have to run through every drill.
01:17And there is, I think there's, I think it's really interesting that one of the things we've debated often with
01:25Myles is leadership.
01:27And leadership when maybe all eyes aren't on you, like, let's say, OTAs, the first phase of the offseason, and
01:36the Browns' lack of success.
01:37So I don't really wish to hammer Myles, but I'd rather point out that Myles really likes people to know
01:47that Myles wants to take a different role in leadership in the organization.
01:50And that seems to not always align with maybe where the most opportune places to actually lead are.
01:57Yeah, I just wonder why we've normalized it in the NFL to such a degree, where it's just like, yeah,
02:02they bring back Lamar.
02:03It's like, Lamar doesn't want to go, then Lamar doesn't have to go, and they're not really doing that much.
02:07They're just going over film, and they're just in the classrooms.
02:11And it's like, well, shouldn't that still matter if you have a new regime?
02:14Like, I just, I feel like, and again, it's not something I care about with Myles greatly, because I don't
02:17think they're really trying for 2026 anyway.
02:19And I think Myles might know that, so maybe this is part of the reason.
02:22But what you do today probably matters a year from now, and probably matters two years from now.
02:26And maybe Myles thinks he's going to be traded, so whatever.
02:28But I don't know, Nick.
02:29I feel like if you have a new head coach, new regime, at least it's a good thing to show
02:33face this time of the year.
02:34And I think, here's another thing, new defensive coordinator.
02:37Yeah, like, it can't hurt.
02:38And listen, this isn't, back when this was the days where the NFL, the offseason, was just as grueling as,
02:47like, what happened in the regular season,
02:49I was staunchly, if it's voluntary, you don't have to show up.
02:53Because the rigors of the offseason, even, like, 15 years ago, are completely different than what they are now.
03:00It's Camp Cupcake.
03:01Well, this is a lot of classwork stuff, too, right now.
03:03They're not even actually being out in the field doing real drills.
03:05Like, for this week, for the first, to the end of this week, it's all in the classroom.
03:09And I do think, I think this year it would have had extra special meaning for Miles to show up.
03:15And this is where it's, like, more like, I wish Miles could see the benefit for him and the benefit
03:20for the organization.
03:22Miles showing up at voluntary OTAs when he hasn't, because they've had the same head coach and the same defensive
03:27coordinator for the, you know,
03:28Stefanski for six years, Schwartz for three years.
03:32Because it's an endorsement of Todd Munkin that I think, for the younger players, is important.
03:38And it's funny, like, because I don't live in a zero-sum world.
03:41Hey, it doesn't matter if you're just not going to compete for a championship.
03:46Every NFL team has an array of what the lowest and lowest is going to look like this year from
03:52a win total perspective and the highest to high.
03:54And I do think little leadership things like this, you're the best player, you're the face of the franchise,
04:01in lieu of having a quarterback that can actually fulfill that obligation, you are the guy expected to carry the
04:07leadership mantle.
04:08I just think there's a lot of benefits here that I wish Miles would see.
04:13And I don't know what else he's doing.
04:14Like, I think last year he was in Japan, right?
04:18Like, okay, you can plan a trip to Japan pretty much any time of the year when you have a
04:23pretty wide-open offseason.
04:24But again, like, I think we're both in the same spot here, which is, I don't think it's to hammer
04:29Miles.
04:30But I think it's to point out, like, Miles wonders, I would imagine Miles wonders sometime why he gets hammered
04:37for the team being bad
04:39when he's one of the three best players in the NFL.
04:42And it would be, in moments where you can show leadership, where only a few people are paying attention, that's
04:49real leadership.
04:50Well, but I like your point towards...
04:51Leadership is not when it's week 16 and, you know, hey, we gotta keep playing hard.
04:56That's not the only version of leadership you can show.
04:58This is just as important as that.
05:00I just think it would matter a lot for Munkin.
05:01Now, maybe he doesn't care what Munkin thinks because he wanted Schwartz and he's just mad about the whole ordeal.
05:05So maybe this is all this ever was gonna be.
05:06But, like, this does go a long way to letting Mason Graham, for instance, know that Miles Garrett's on board
05:12with Todd Munkin
05:13and is willing to at least, or at least even the new defensive coordinator.
05:18And, like, I'm just trying to figure it all out.
05:20It just, I don't know.
05:22It seems like an easy one to do.
05:24And I don't know why a lot of these veterans just don't.
05:26Especially when it's new regimes.
05:28So have you heard the Florio audio?
05:29I haven't, no.
05:30So I'm assuming, and if anybody's actually heard this, I'm going to assume that this was in relation to Miles
05:37skipping the voluntary OTAs this week.
05:41But Florio was talking about the Miles Garrett situation on PFT, and here's what he had to say.
05:45I still think that there are people out there who are kind of like, are the Browns just trying to
05:49set something up here?
05:51I kind of feel like that.
05:51Trying to get maximum, right?
05:53We have no intention to trade Miles Garrett.
05:55And it feels like that a little bit, just getting the best offer, realizing this guy's got finite years left
06:01in his prime.
06:01We aren't going to be any better anytime soon.
06:04Let's get the picks that we pissed away on Deshaun Watson.
06:09Let's get some infrastructure young picks to provide the nucleus of a team that we're going to take into a
06:15new stadium.
06:16Yeah, I mean, I've kind of been part of that.
06:18That just, it seems a little, I don't know.
06:21I don't want to say fishy, but yeah, it just feels like it's being set up in some degree to
06:26maybe be able to at least have the possibility to trade a Miles Garrett.
06:30All right, so there's a few things here.
06:32One, I don't know anyone talking about my favorite team annoys me more than when Mike Florio does it.
06:39I know you're not a fan.
06:40I've always liked Florio.
06:41I like what he does.
06:42I think his Browns analysis has become rather trite lately.
06:46I was going to say reductive, but I like the word trite.
06:48It's just, he just always defaults to Haslam's the problem and then he goes in.
06:52And trade everyone.
06:53And trade everyone.
06:53And listen, baby, it's not really Florio's fault that the Browns have put him in this spot, but yeah.
06:59So it doesn't sound like he was actually referring to Miles missing the voluntary OTAs.
07:04I will say, if Miles skips the mandatory OTAs on top of the contract realignment,
07:14then I think we have an interesting conversation on our hands.
07:16Do you find it interesting that they were able to kind of prep every one of this?
07:19So the owners meeting last week, when Munkin did speak,
07:23he made a point to mention that Miles was not going to be there next week.
07:26Do you find that interesting?
07:27I find it a little peculiar that they'd already clearly talked to Miles about like,
07:31hey, you're going to be there?
07:32You're going to be around or you're not going to be around?
07:34And Miles was like, yeah, I'm not going to be around.
07:35But the idea that they reached out to him ahead of time,
07:37because clearly they did so because they want to see him there
07:39and they want to see him kind of embrace Munkin and the new head coach and everything around this.
07:43It's either that or they wanted to get out.
07:45I think it also might be that they really wanted to put a kibosh on the trade rumors
07:51and that addressing that Miles wasn't going to be here.
07:55Because like Rappaport was actually right, and I can actually give him that credit,
07:58because Rappaport was like, yeah, Miles never shows up to these.
08:01This isn't a big to-do.
08:03I think that's where the coordination comes in.
08:05I think the Browns are still selling a fight and they're not trying to trade Miles.
08:08Well, I wonder maybe, too, they were trying to normalize it.
08:10And so if they knew ahead of time with Miles, they could tell us, yeah, Miles isn't going to be
08:14there.
08:14So then everyone's got it in their head for a week that Miles isn't going to be there.
08:18So when he's not there, we don't freak out.
08:19I just think it's interesting how, you know, what was the verbiage on Andrew Barry last week?
08:25Miles is a Cleveland Brown for life.
08:28I think he's a career Cleveland Brown.
08:30Yeah.
08:32I just don't know why we're making promises here when it comes to Miles.
08:36Like, again, like, I don't expect, like, they were at least emphatic enough that I can say I don't expect
08:42Miles to be traded before the regular season.
08:45Right?
08:46I don't think it's, I don't think it's completely off.
08:48If somebody came, if June 2nd came and went, or sorry, June 1st came and went, and somebody said, we'll
08:53give you, and it's like Jacksonville,
08:55we'll give you three future firsts for Miles Garrett.
08:57I think the Browns would have to really sit back and consider it because it's, because of how easy the
09:03path is right now and where you are.
09:06But I don't expect it.
09:07I did expect it before I heard them so ham-fistedly go in on not trading Miles.
09:12But I just, one thing, I understand why Andrew Barry went as hard in the paint as he did.
09:18He tried, he was trying to snuff out that conversation.
09:21One, you don't have that power, nor do you have the credibility right now with anyone in Cleveland for us
09:26to listen and actually believe you on it
09:29because your teams haven't been good enough for us to believe on that.
09:32And then two, I just wouldn't be saying that.
09:35And if I'm Jimmy Haslam, I don't want you saying that because you can't guarantee where this thing's going to
09:41be a year from now.
09:42Hell, I don't think you can guarantee where this thing's going to be six months from now, let alone a
09:45year from now or 18 months from now.
09:46Yeah, the problem with Andrew Barry, though, Andrew Barry's never faced any repercussions for anything that he's said in the
09:51media that's been a lie.
09:52Like, he just never, he never has.
09:53No fair.
09:54And so, like, if all he's ever taught is, I can lie, I can say whatever I want, and nothing
10:01ever changes in regards to that,
10:03then where's the incentive to do anything but lie?
10:07216-474-0092.
10:09Should Miles Garrett be at voluntary OTAs?
10:12It just, this feels like a, this feels like a nice to have.
10:16Would have been nice to have moment for Miles and the Browns.
10:19And I do think, like, I just think we're going to be on Miles' watch from now until the guy
10:25retires.
10:26Because, one, that's not a trustworthy organization at the moment.
10:31They've said, again, like, even the Deshaun thing.
10:33They said one thing about Deshaun a year ago at the honors meetings and are acting completely opposite a year
10:38later.
10:39That's not to, like, hammer them forward.
10:40It's just to point out, you can say whatever the hell you want to say,
10:44but there's another part of me that's like, Miles sticking to this is just Miles being who he is.
10:51Miles going against it would have certainly helped the ideology that Miles is a short-timer in Cleveland.
10:58And listen, no one's going to kill him for it, obviously.
11:00No one is killing him for it.
11:01No one should kill him for it, exactly.
11:02But it is.
11:03It's the idea, though, that Miles is just not, he's not going the extra mile.
11:06We've never seen him do it.
11:07No pun intended.
11:09But we've never seen him do it, and this is just another example of that.
11:12You know, after having Miles Garrett, Miles Harden, and now Miles Bryan on the team,
11:18it does seem like the Browns are going the extra miles.
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