00:00Driving into work the other day and here you're on with Ken just dumpster on Todd Mung and I'm like,
00:05wait a minute.
00:06I thought we liked Todd. I'm just telling you the way it is.
00:08I thought we're excited about Todd. I get where you're coming from.
00:11I'm just telling you the way it is.
00:12Because it's exhausting.
00:13If you don't win seven or eight games this year, he's fired.
00:16If he doesn't win nine, ten, eleven games next year, he's fired.
00:20That's how it works.
00:21Dude, it's just, I want to give it a try.
00:23I want to give it a try at least through the end of April.
00:26Can we at least give it a, he hasn't coached a practice yet.
00:29Can we at least give it through the end of April where we see what they do with these draft
00:33picks?
00:33And if they set these draft picks on fire, if they fall in love with some defensive back instead of
00:40a wide receiver, then we could get mad.
00:43But I don't want to get mad right now.
00:45I do want to have a little bit of hope.
00:48As soon as the draft is over, all we're going to hear about is how Andrew Barry nailed the picks.
00:53We're not going to know if Andrew Barry nailed the picks until you at least get through one year.
00:57Well, I told you last year that he nailed the picks.
00:58The only reason we know he nailed the picks is because, okay, Mason Graham, you know, wasn't an all-pro,
01:03but, like, he played really well last year.
01:06Carson Swessinger, Defensive Rookie of the Year, was outstanding last year.
01:11Quinshawn Judkins started off hot.
01:13Then I think he just kind of got worn down with the offensive line being banged up and all that.
01:19And then ultimately he got hurt.
01:20But I see something in him.
01:22Harold Fannin Jr. had an outstanding rookie season, which makes it easy to move on from David Njoku, right?
01:28There's four guys right there, bang!
01:31Four starters that you got out of that draft class.
01:34Now, do I expect that of those five top 107 picks that Andrew Barry's going to have four more starters?
01:42No, because I think that's a little unrealistic.
01:43But three, with two role players or two contributing players, that's absolutely doable and realistic.
01:53But then it just falls back to, okay, fine, you hit those picks, but you still don't have a quarterback
01:59here.
02:02Regardless, if he wins the competition or not, it ain't Deshaun.
02:04And then Shadour, like, I hope, here's my hope for Shadour, because I've been thinking a lot about this, too,
02:13because I know if you say anything remotely critical about Shadour, his fan base jumps all over you.
02:21Because, you know, he can do no wrong, which is not the case.
02:26Because here's my hope for Shadour, that he, whatever his relationship with Kevin was, it was.
02:35It doesn't, it's all, like, the Jarvis stuff that's come out on the Fourth and South podcast,
02:40where he's just, you know, hitting Kevin between the eyes with his view of things, whatever.
02:46Kevin don't coach here anymore, okay?
02:49It's done.
02:50It's done, it's over, it's not our, it's the Falcons problem now, okay?
02:54Yep.
02:54So, however boring his press conferences are, however phony baloney he is behind the scenes or whatever,
03:01or players don't feel he's being honest with them or connecting with them or whatever, I don't care.
03:06What I care about is Todd Munkin.
03:08What I care about is, you know, Mike Rutenberg and the rest of that staff, okay?
03:14And the first impression is a little mixed.
03:17Like, I see some very positive things, and I'm hearing some positive things,
03:22and then I'm seeing and hearing some concerning things.
03:26But, like, to your point, yeah.
03:28Let's see what Munkin can do this year.
03:30Can he win those games that they lost?
03:32Can they win seven games this fall?
03:35And if he's able to do that, he'll be back.
03:37It will not be a one-and-done, okay?
03:41But if he can't then, from that, go the next step, right, then he's going to be two-and-done,
03:47because that's how this works.
03:49I still don't think he's going to be the coach when they open the dome, okay?
03:53I think his tenure here is probably three years max.
03:58But if he wins, then, yeah, he will.
04:01He'll open the dome.
04:02But I just, I'm not, I just, it's hard for me just to be blindly confident in the Browns
04:08and what they're going to do, and that their processes are great, whatever.
04:12Their data points and all that other nonsense they talk out there
04:15to make us all feel inferior and stupid compared to them is fine.
04:21I look at the results on the field, and the results on the field are garbage.
04:24They're trash, okay?
04:27Five wins in a season is disgusting.
04:29It's unacceptable.
04:30The whole reason you went, it made us all suffer through 1-31 and 4-44
04:34was so we didn't have to do this 10 years later.
04:37But here we are, 10 years later, going through the same stuff.
04:41You've got a very good defense, and the offense is awful.
04:46And then by the time you fix the offense, guess what now happens?
04:50You have to fix your defense again.
04:51Like, they did such a terrible job lining this whole thing up to hit it once, okay?
04:59And you're leaving it to this defense to keep you in all these games,
05:03and then they finally get worn down.
05:05I mean, they got blown out quite a bit last year.
05:08The year before, they got blown out quite a bit.
05:11Their point differentials, just off the top of my head,
05:13I don't have the math in front of me.
05:16But I think their point differentials are worse the last two years
05:21than when they were 1-31.
05:23Like, they had worse rosters for 1-31,
05:28but it still felt like that team, or those two teams,
05:34were more competitive, the 16 and 17 Browns teams.
05:39It just felt like they were more competitive.
05:41They weren't good enough to win, obviously, but they could hang.
05:46These guys now, like, it felt like, well, they could hang for three quarters,
05:50or they could hang for a half,
05:53and then the second half things would spiral out of control on them.
05:57I think that's why I'm optimistic, though, here now,
06:00is because I do think Kevin Stefanski should be shouldering a good bit more of that blame.
06:06And I think everybody here fell in love.
06:09He got fired.
06:09How much more blame is he supposed to shoulder?
06:12Darryl, because everybody here fell in love with the true coach of the years
06:16and what he did in 2020 and what he did in 2023,
06:20and we left out a big part of the fact that he wasn't developing anybody here, man.
06:25He wasn't getting the most out of his players.
06:27He wasn't getting the most out of his team,
06:29and that ran on way too long.
06:32And that dated back, by the way, to the Odell Beckham Jr. stuff.
06:37Well, they didn't maximize OBJ during his time in Cleveland,
06:41and you can put a lot of that on Stefanski,
06:43and a lot of people put that on Baker,
06:45and that's part of the crew that chased Baker out of town.
06:49All right, so if we really want to start pointing fingers
06:52in all sorts of different directions,
06:55I put a good shoulder, a good bit on that on Kevin Stefanski.
06:59If we really want to take the gloves off,
07:02why wasn't Kevin Stefanski the adult in the room?
07:05Why did he never sit Baker down?
07:07Hey, kid, you're hurt.
07:09I'm the coach.
07:10You're the player.
07:10You're hurt.
07:11You're done.
07:12I think Todd has that in him.
07:14Kevin didn't.
07:15Kevin was a pushover.
07:17I will say Todd has the...
07:20And that's why I'm optimistic about this Munkin era,
07:23because Todd has the intangibles that Kevin did not have.
07:27Todd has the I give zero you-know-whats to him.
07:31He does.
07:32Freddie Kitchens had that as well.
07:35That ended up not being a good thing.
07:37I think...
07:38Hang on.
07:38I think Todd is a more mature version of Keddie...
07:42I almost called him...
07:43Keddie Fridgens.
07:45That's good.
07:45I tried blending Freddie Kitchens and Kevin Stefanski together.
07:48No, I think that Todd Munkin is a more mature version of Freddie Kitchens.
07:54Well, yeah, no kidding.
07:55He's better prepared for the role and the job.
07:58I think that there's some things that Munkin is going to have...
08:02That he's already had to deal with and he's going to have to deal with
08:05that are going to be a little overwhelming for him.
08:08Well, that's the gig, dude.
08:10Like, you signed up for it.
08:12You're getting paid for it.
08:13So, you got to know how to handle it.
08:15But, like, I just...
08:19I'm so over the re-litigation of everything.
08:27It's done.
08:28It's over with.
08:30It serves us no good.
08:32No conversation that we could have can fix what already has happened.
08:38It's done.
08:38It's over.
08:40But I think it could make you more...
08:42When you look backwards, I think it could make you more optimistic
08:45about what's to come.
08:47Because we had this coach that was a two-time coach of the year
08:50that was an offensive-minded coach and the offense stunk.
08:54So, what could a new head coach do with some new, fresh, I don't know,
08:59ideas, philosophies to try to extract more out of what you have?
09:04Could Harold Vanden Jr. be a 1,000-yard receiving tight end?
09:07Oh, 100%.
09:09Maybe Munkin's the guy that makes that happen.
09:11He looked pretty good with Mark Andrews.
09:14Well, I mean, you got enough out of him as a rookie.
09:19Like, I'm not going to sit here and say,
09:20oh, they didn't get enough out of Harold Vanden Jr. as a rookie.
09:22They did.
09:25The problems offensively had nothing to do with getting the most out of
09:28Harold Vanden Jr.
09:29He is.
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