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04:03and the only information we had that a woman was found dead and a music producer was involved
04:13I was a bit surprised that there was this large palatial property there in this kind of small
04:18town that's really just a suburb of downtown Los Angeles Alhambra is a sleepy hollow it's a middle
04:26class single-family residence and now you have this monstrosity if you will in the middle of
04:32nowhere so as we got closer we saw a large crowd behind yellow crime scene tape and I remember
04:41Paul looking at me and said okay put on your big boy pants a female had been shot inside of
04:48the
04:49residence the victim has been pronounced dead at the location when I got there it was an absolute
04:59zoo that you know the news copters were up above and news bands up and down the street
05:11when we arrived on scene we first talked to the Alhambra police officers and let me explain how
05:16it works the sheriff's department covers a large area of LA County and in that county you have
05:24smaller municipalities they have their own police department however they don't have the resources
05:29that the sheriff's department has there are a hundred homicide detectives in the LA County Sheriff's
05:34Department so they will reach out to us and we will assume responsibility for the case Alhambra police
05:44officers told me that they had received a 911 phone call from Phil Spector's chauffeur when they arrived
05:51they could see Phil Spector walking back and forth on the upstairs window they're trying to get his
05:58attention they're trying to get him to come downstairs and the guy's not complying he's not coming out they
06:03entered the home where they confronted Phil Spector he's not cooperative you see a woman slumped over in a
06:10chair obviously dead Phil is ranting this is the most devastating thing I've ever seen
06:18and one of the officers had the whole thing recorded
06:21this is absolute nonsense I don't know what that lady what her problem is but she wasn't in security
06:28at the house of booze and I don't know what her problem was but she certainly had no right to
06:34come
06:34to my castle blow her head open what the is wrong with you people
06:41they have to tase him I believe they even use the ballistic shield to knock him down
06:46the Alhambra officers conducted a very preliminary investigation and based on that investigation they
06:52took Mr. Phil Spector into custody I've been around long enough to know that people take death in a
07:02myriad of ways you have to take into account everything you have to keep an open mind and
07:07and based on what Spector is saying suicide is a possibility back door was open as we enter in
07:16I see a young lady she sprawled out in a chair and foyer there's a .38 caliber handgun by her
07:23foot
07:24you could see she was suffering from a gunshot wound inside of her mouth we didn't know who she was
07:32we
07:33didn't know if they had a relationship maybe something was sideways is this a crime is this
07:38a suicide could this be a horrible accident a three-pronged investigation we treat all death
07:47investigations on the surface at first glance as if they're a murder we sent homicide cops out to every
07:52suicide that occurs in the jurisdiction of the Los Angeles County Sheriff every accidental death with
07:59the exception of a traffic collision we sent a homicide cop out there I'm starting to look at
08:07the paraphernalia in Mr. Spector's home and I'm starting to grasp the importance of this person in that
08:15industry Phil Spector's fame as a producer at times eclipsed the artists he worked with you see Tina
08:22Turner you see pictures of the righteous brothers you see the Beatles the Grammy nominations and all the
08:28awards that he had gotten over the years as the lead investigator if this thing works out well kudos to
08:43you but if it goes sideways you are held responsible we signed Mark Lowenfield one of the most seasoned
08:53detectives at homicide to do the scene because we knew that was going to be a critical part in this
09:01whole investigation big cases and Mark Lowenfield kind of go hand in hand high-profile cases can stress
09:09cops out and I couldn't care less we put the same amount of effort and resources and diligence into
09:16every murder scene the house was in horrible shape it was poorly lit it was filthy and there were mice
09:28and rats and roaches and for somebody of such extreme wealth it was like a little bit out of
09:34character you would think he would live this extravagant lifestyle there was everything in that house I
09:40mean literally it like he was a multi-millionaire pack rat you're like you know I know I need to
09:46make sure that I don't miss something but you're also like Spector probably hasn't been in this room for
09:53six years it was the most unique crime scene investigation I'd ever been involved in and truthfully
10:00one I'd never want to have to do again it was awful it was terrible because it was so convoluted
10:10so we knew we had the decedent remains right there we had the physical evidence of the blood we had
10:15the gunshot wound that was visible she had been shot in the mouth so there were teeth and fragments of
10:20teeth that were spread out amongst her remains they were on the carpeting they were across the room on a
10:26stairway we'd collected it we photographed it we diagrammed it we held it for DNA you got to get past
10:33the ick factor and the emotional part of that you got to get past that and what do these things
10:39tell
10:39me we're there to speak for the dead and they leave us clues with physical evidence all of us knew
10:50that
10:50when you're standing over a dead person that's an awesome responsibility to be given and you have to
10:57take it seriously you have to take a somewhat spiritual ideology I can look at a dead body have
11:06no effect that this is just a shell and the person's spirit is already gone I do think it has
11:13an
11:14accumulation being in the presence of death the job can take its toll now you focus on solving it
11:25and so we just methodically took our time before releasing the scene usually you hold a scene
11:33maybe if there's a lot of evidence maybe seven eight hours on this one we held it over a day
11:45on the floor was a loaded 38 caliber revolver manufactured by the Colt firearms company
11:51and there was one spent cartridge in the cylinder of that weapon there was mixed in with that a thumb
11:59lock device off of the back door to the home most people have a deadbolt and it goes from the
12:04door into
12:04the frame of the door and it provides that extra level of security well in order to throw that deadbolt
12:10you twist this thumb device and that was off of the lock itself was lying on the floor was very
12:17unusual like how did that happen some people would say well it looks like the gun was placed by her
12:24foot
12:24the problem is you could never reenact where a gun would land you know gun drops and it just flops
12:32around a leather snap holster was in a drawer of the bureau and it was clear that that leather holster
12:41fit the two-inch Colt blue steel 38 caliber revolver though that that weapon came from that holster
12:53it was about 5 p.m almost 12 hours later the coroner's office finally had confirmation of the identity of
13:03the victim
13:06this was Lana Clarkson at that point we were able to obtain the mother's information
13:12and we're heading over to see Donna I got a phone call from Lana's sister Fawn and she said something
13:21could have happened to Lana I don't know something's wrong and I said what what do you mean what's wrong
13:26Fawn got a phone call from somebody but she didn't really know too much she said it could have had
13:32something to do with the news on the television about a possible murder in Alhambra Lana was supposed
13:39to call me but I hadn't heard from her I thought perhaps there'd been a party you know and she
13:45was
13:45being held along with other people as to you know for investigations I ended up calling the sheriff's
13:52office while we're going to see Donna she actually connected with my partner Paul on the phone I thought
14:01he was calling me back and then he said where could I meet with you and I was like taking
14:06it back meet
14:06with me and excuse me he told me Lana's address on the canal he says well can we meet you
14:17there so
14:18then I was really concerned I didn't know what was happening that wasn't a good sign I pulled into the
14:25parking garage and trying to keep my you know wits about me and not me you know too upset not
14:31not
14:32without knowing anything so I'm kind of cleaning the car up and I pulled up a pair of shoes and
14:38I
14:38remember holding the shoes saying this can't be Lana here's her shoes and then all of a sudden the
14:51detectives is pulled in her sister pulled in and brother we all quietly walked around in the front of
14:58the cottage and we went inside and detective foreign I just kind of looked down at the floor
15:01and he said it was it was Lana it doesn't matter if that child is an adult or a little
15:14kid I mean
15:15it's just there's nothing worse and more unnatural than you know your children dying before you and
15:21it's a tough tough thing making a notification of a death of a loved one unequivocally absolutely the
15:29singular worst part of being a cop and there's a lot of crappy parts of being a cop you need
15:35to find out
15:36everything is critically important as quickly as you can because it may affect how we collect physical
15:42evidence because me and my partner and the other eight detectives were still processing the scene the more
15:49you know about a victim the more likely you are to understand how they died these people have to
15:55process what what you're just telling them and now I'm gonna sit there and ask him to hey by the
15:59way
15:59she was over at a Phil Spector's house do you know Phil Spector is does she knows Phil Spector is
16:05do you
16:05know why she would be there and Donna says no she didn't know this man in the entertainment industry
16:13everybody socializes after hours I'm not surprised Lana was always networking with different people she had
16:19a lot going on Lana was a working actor well I got a bus to catch you know where to
16:24yeah wherever it's
16:26going mm-hmm Lana did a lot of TV shows in the 80s she was in the barbarian Queen movies
16:39Lana fractured both her wrists and it was really a big setback for her she accidentally fell and the
16:47bracer falls she ended up breaking both her wrists and she had to have pins placed in them that was
16:53you
16:54know the beginning of a whole year of recovery for her we didn't stay long let them grieve privately
17:08right after the incident happened Phil Spector was arrested and he told the Al Hambler officers that
17:14he wants an attorney soon as he said uttered those words it's hands-off and he immediately posted a
17:20million-dollar bail the DA's office attitude was we're not going to file this case we're going to
17:26wait until everything gets investigated during the initial debriefing by the Alhambra police officers
17:34they said they did have one witness the chauffeur the person who made the initial 911 call Adriana D'Souza
17:43so we need to get to that chauffeur Dr. Paul Fournier Dr. Richard Tomlin and we're here with Adriana D'Souza
17:53when we spoke to Adriana D'Souza he said he probably worked for Phil 10 to 15 times in the past
18:04Adriana said Phil Spector came out seven o'clock sharp like he normally does
18:12then went to dinner and drinks in West Hollywood about 1 15 120 in the morning he was now directed
18:21to go to the house of blues later on the house of blues is closing is a little bit after
18:27two
18:28and Lana is helping a drunk Phil Spector he said I believe he was drunk and she takes him and
18:35puts him
18:35in the back seat of the car she gets in and they drive to Phil Spector's home Adriana said he
18:47was
18:47parked around the back of the residence was playing a little bit of music he was dozing off and about
18:52five in the morning Adriana said he heard a loud popping noise it was enough to startle him it was
18:59enough for him to get out of his car but suddenly the back door opened up and he saw Phil
19:05Spector wearing
19:06a white jacket I saw his face and when I saw he had again the front and Adriana could see
19:14there was
19:14blood on his hand I did like this movement and I saw the legs I saw the leg and the
19:22chair
19:25Spector looked at Adriano and said he told me like I think I killed somebody Adriano felt that his life
19:35was in danger just started running and he called Phil's manager and immediately went to voicemail
19:56Adriano said I think Mr. Phil just killed somebody he hung up the phone and then he dialed 911 and
20:01he told the dispatcher the same thing
20:11in Los Angeles County it can go as long as a week week and a half before an autopsy is
20:15performed we're
20:17supposed to treat them all the same but the reality is it ain't always that way this thing has gone
20:23all
20:23the way up to the sheriff himself they want to know what's going on this autopsy was done I want
20:28to say the
20:29next day which was unheard of the major findings from the autopsy was there was one gunshot wound
20:36inside of her mouth where the gunshot was and how it was lodged Lana died instantly the bullet was in
20:45a
20:45downward angle if you committed suicide are you going to point the gun downward it'd be more like it'd be
20:52level or it'd be maybe even an upward angle the motive death is a legal determination left to a
21:00medical doctor and he only has five choices homicide suicide accident natural unknown it's the coroner
21:07that determines that not a judge not a jury it's a coroner the medical examiner makes that lawful
21:13determination dr. Penney's very very thorough to draw those conclusions part of it is experience part of
21:22it is common sense part of it is science in this case dr. Penney deferred the findings and wanted
21:30to wait for all the reports to come back before making a final determination I am leaning more towards
21:38it's a murder or accident we still do have to develop though could it be a suicide was she depressed
21:48was
21:49she in financial distress we talked to her landlords said she was a model tenant that throughout that
22:00she's struggling and she doesn't have enough money to make ends meet anybody and everybody that we
22:07thought had some type of relationship with her whether it was business or personal we spoke to them
22:13everybody has her down in the dumps moments but basically she always pulled herself up and she got out of
22:19it
22:19and if she really needed something she could call me no one said that she ever tried to hurt herself
22:25no
22:26one ever said that she even talked about suicide she's a positive person who would never think about
22:32hurting herself in a perfect world Lana would go straight back to acting but as she had been out of
22:40the scene
22:40for a year and she wasn't top of mind for all the casting directors she had to figure out a
22:46way to survive and this
22:48opportunity came at the house of blues
22:56barbson was working here as a hostess at the house of blues she was excited to be working she was
23:01excited that she had healed and she was healthy it was a privilege to be asked to be the hostess
23:08of the
23:08foundation room the foundation room at the house of blues was a very prestigious place it was the who's
23:15who of hollywood as a guest of lana's i met george clooney there one night if you were famous and
23:22you were in
23:22hollywood you were visiting the foundation room
23:34paul and i went to the house of blues we spoke to the manager the head of security
23:38and then the uh waitress that actually served specter specter had come in and lana was working
23:47as the hostess that evening he said don't you know who i am i'm phil specter she not realizing stated
23:56well
23:56miss specter you know you can't come in she thought he was a female that didn't go over too well
24:03and the
24:03head of security ran over to her and said hey no no no no pulled suicide and said you treat
24:08this guy
24:08like gold so at that point lana escorted him over to a special table apologizing profusely
24:19during the early morning hours the place is now closed they were seen leaving together we asked
24:25was there video footage we watched the video it appears that lana was actually helping specter
24:34into the car according to adriano specter was drunk he kept repeatedly inviting her come to my castle you
24:42have to see the castle and she said okay and that's how uh the journey began
24:53it's um eerie watching and knowing that this young lady is going to lose her life within two hours
25:04a lot of our questioning was along the lines of hey you know attractive woman you know men are pigs
25:10she's in hollywood the home of the term casting couch how does she react when somebody made an
25:16inappropriate remark or somebody did something inappropriate to her lana she knew how to rebuff
25:22attention and very delicately it's easy for people to make big leaps and make assumptions about a woman
25:33going to a man's home in the middle of the night but i knew lana and i knew exactly why
25:40she went to his
25:41house she didn't go because she was interested in him romantically there wouldn't be anything
25:47intimidating about going to have a drink with phil specter he was five foot six to her six feet tall
25:54she took care of herself i can absolutely see where lana would be intrigued with somebody like phil
26:02specter this is hollywood let me tell you networking is highly valuable
26:12i'm the one person that knew both phil specter and lana clarkson what an unusual dubious distinction
26:20it was around 1966 when i first met phil specter and witnessed him work when i was 15
26:28gold star studios was like the big deal i'd sneak in and i would sit on the couch
26:33this engineer he invited me into the studio eventually i was in phil specter sessions
26:41phil specter had the wall of sound and the wall of sound was just about having four guitar players at
26:47once and three piano but nobody did stuff like that two drummers you know it's like completely crazy
26:54i never witnessed anybody like him i mean just the way that he was in the sessions the way he
26:59behaved
26:59he was like a little dictator in a way you know but uh he sure knew what he wanted and
27:05uh he got it
27:09lana was one of my closest friends but we had never had any occasion to discuss phil specter
27:16the last time i saw him was 1978 i think and i met lana clarkson 1984 before i moved to
27:23new york
27:24so lana had no idea of phil's reputation phil specter was a very dangerous character
27:31unstable and very unpredictable had i been there when the house of blues closed that night
27:37this would have never happened you know i would never let her go out and leave there with phil you
27:41know
27:41but
27:55everybody had a heightened sense of this is going to be a very scrutinized case
28:05and we're going to need as much information as we can
28:12our lab got the results of the dna swabs that were obtained during the crime scene investigation
28:20in the master bedroom we found a white dinner jacket that mr specter had been wearing during
28:26his evening out at the house of blues there was blood spatter on the sleeve of the jacket
28:33also in the guest bathroom there was a cotton diaper something i learned when people have guns they
28:41will wrap them in diapers that diaper had blood on it and it was moist and we learned that lana
28:49clarkson's
28:49blood was on that diaper and in that bathroom that her blood was on phil specter's jacket
28:58when the projectile struck miss clarkson and blood came out it got on mr specter's weapon it got on his
29:06sleeve it's got on his hand and during her exam of the diaper and her exam of the weapon dr
29:13lynn harold
29:13was able to conclude that the diaper had been used to wipe the gun down and that's where the moisture
29:20and the blood evidence was transferred from the weapon to the diaper blood stain pattern evidence is
29:28going to end up being circumstantial evidence of the actual crime
29:32how did the gun go off where was the gun when it went off what effect did the gun going
29:38off have
29:38it was incredibly difficult because we're dealing with blood stain pattern evidence on dark red carpet
29:49when all these findings came back suicide is out of the window
29:54did we believe it's a murder could there be an inkling that it's an accident
29:59yeah but the problem with that is he's not saying that
30:04i don't know what the lady what her problem is this room's a head open in my house
30:14the coroner's office finally did come back and say no this was a homicide
30:21the medical examiners determined that lana clarkson was murdered but the la county da's
30:26office declined to file homicide charges the la coroner's office made this announcement not only
30:33they say it was a homicide they fingered phil specter but when are we going to hear from the
30:37la district attorney specter's big and it's big for this da's office who has lost so many high
30:43profile cases i remember when the specter case came along i knew who phil specter was you know
30:50who's lost that loving feeling my granddaughter loves that music from top gun there was a i don't
30:59want to say paranoia but the office got burned very badly in the oj simpson case
31:07we wanted more time to file criminal charges against simpson but there was a lot of pressure
31:14from the media and we had to file the case well what happened in the oj simpson case we weren't
31:21ready
31:22you want to make sure justice is served and they're going to do their time
31:27you're not now you're focusing on how can we strengthen prove that it is a murder without a
31:33reasonable doubt and what could be any hiccups to stop us from getting that conviction
31:42everybody wanted a piece of the media attention
31:48it's sad but it's the nature of our media
31:52they're going to follow cases that that have a lot of uh flair and interest
31:58phil specter liked to talk he was giving interviews left and right in a magazine interview
32:03he claimed clarkson quote kissed the gun he fabricated the information and then
32:09he just was fairly hostile you know about lana and he was maligning her all the time
32:15phil specter's pr machine they were out to make lana look like a bimbo people put her down because
32:23she's a b movie actress but she held that proudly she knew that she was a big barbarian queen and
32:30she
32:30owned it the family requested that none of us the intimate circle speak to anybody people would say
32:39something and they would twist it it would be published in a magazine or a newspaper so i had
32:44said the best thing is not to speak out and so we were just in the background quietly fuming over
32:53the information that was being spewed forth by phil specter and his team it was horrible
33:00it showed what he was about you can't but help say well no you're trying to hide something and you
33:08have committed murder
33:15without a doubt this was the most media driven case
33:20my friends or relatives that's all they can talk about hey are you on that case and everybody's got
33:24their theory but you have to have balance and one of the things that i do i rarely talk about
33:34what i do for a living i don't feel special this is just what i choose to do and i
33:40enjoy doing it
33:42and on this case i was low-keying it just like oh yeah you know working on this oh yeah
33:47it's gonna be
33:47on tv and at the time my kids were 13 and 11 and so my kids knew what was going
33:56on but i think they
33:57took a cue from me and they never uh i always laughed they were never too impressed with me
34:08i heard specter described actually read him described in the newspaper this morning as being
34:1290 percent charming 10 percent trouble yeah did you have any experience with that 10 of him i never
34:19did certainly but there were many many stories we're focusing on why did we believe it's a murder
34:25we have to get into the life of phil specter we see there was at least one time where he
34:31was arrested
34:31with a gun he possessed guns he owned guns i learned from other people he had this long sordid history
34:39of waving guns around there was story after story after story of him actually waving a gun
34:45during the recording of a song by the ramones he's pissed off at john lennon and he fires a gun
34:51into the ceiling we had to go track that down phil specter pulling a gun on people is more to
34:56do with
34:57who's in control if you have real power you don't need a gun to influence somebody he was a chicken
35:02shit he carried loaded guns for a reason because he could bully people with him from john lennon to
35:11leonard cohen they're getting ready to wrap a music recording session phil specter says to leonard
35:18cohen go out and put a vocal on this way and leonard says to phil he says well you know
35:24what man i'm tired
35:25and and he said i could do it tomorrow and then phil gets the gun out points at leonard and
35:32says you're
35:33gonna go sing this now it didn't deter leonard cohen this is the first day leonard told me the story
35:43right
35:44he was still so intrigued by the possibilities of what would happen by working with phil but
35:50leonard knew that that gun was there at all times he was very powerful so people were very hesitant
35:59especially people in that music world they felt that he had enough power to derail their career
36:06during this there was a lot of people we spoke to that would not go on the record
36:13but they spoke of how he would keep people in his house
36:20it was men and women you had a good time with phil and you wanted to leave and he would
36:26say okay just
36:27wait right here and it was always in that foyer area and he literally would disappear at times for
36:35hours until he was ready for you to go and how he would keep them in remember the deadbolt lock
36:43that
36:43was found on the floor he would remove the lock and now they're stuck it was another
36:50opportunity for him to control others and that was what set him apart he was manic if you will about
36:59control miss clarkson was basically imprisoned she wasn't free to leave on her own will because she
37:05couldn't open the damn door because mr specter had taken that lever device that thumb device off of the dead
37:11bolt on the door we had heard rumors but rumors don't float in a courtroom so we had to have
37:22hard
37:23evidence rich tomlin and his team tracked down every single lead and they turned these rumors into fact
37:30we found actual witnesses a bunch of them sometimes it would be a one date relationship sometimes it'd be
37:38women that he knew for years but all of these women had the signature in common of having been held
37:45hostage having been deprived of their liberty by mr specter you have these women saying how he was very
37:53charming conscious to their needs very appealing a great conversationalist and then the switch would go
38:00off phil specter had a habit of bringing women over to his house wanting sexual favors from him and when
38:09they didn't comply or satisfy him he would pull out a gun that's an mo and it means that this
38:19is a thing
38:19that he does that he has done and the reason that's important is because if you never if you didn't
38:25find
38:25anyone that ever said this happened before that would probably be a pretty big defense point say that's
38:31absurd to think that my client would do that right these women were willing to testify that they were in
38:37fear of their lives that they thought he was going to kill them it's a critical piece of the evidence
38:43and it's a big part in showing that there was intent certainly wasn't a suicide but it wasn't an accident
38:50either uh he had these aggressive tendencies and sooner or later this was going to be the outcome
39:01if you base it on talking to people who had historically gone through this i think he didn't want her
39:10to leave
39:13he left her in that foyer area for an hour or more she was dozing off and for whatever reason
39:19we'll never
39:19know he grabbed that gun and he decided to shove it in her mouth and she panicked and he kills
39:27her
39:29realizing what he'd done phil spector has more than enough time to now try to stage the crime scene
39:42we were in continual contact with the district attorney's office it's a collaborative effort
39:47november of 2003 the decision was made and murder charges were actually filed against phil spector
39:58in early court appearances he had famed oj attorney robert shapiro at his side now he's on his third
40:04set of high profile lawyers one thing with phil spector he didn't want to spend one day in prison
40:14every time there was a new defense attorney there was a continuance and the judge would have to give
40:19them time to get up to speed phil spector is on bail meaning he is out he had gotten married
40:31as long as he can stretch this case out he's a free man
40:51it was kind of a circus atmosphere you had phil spector would wear different wigs to the trial
40:58he had his huge body guards the defense in this case some of their conduct was incredibly egregious
41:07one of the defense attorneys who's a complete and total unethical scumbag new york mafia attorney
41:14he like like hit me up in the hallway and in the restroom like followed me in there like boy
41:19i can't
41:20wait to get you on the stand i'm really gonna f you up like really i'm a little guy you
41:24think i
41:25haven't had my ass kicked before what are you blind look at his face look at me man i i
41:29built a career
41:30getting my ass kicked and i'm not the world's greatest testifier but i can tell the truth which
41:34is pretty goddamn easy to do maybe i appeared intimidatable or something if that's even a
41:40goddamn word i'd like to think that i wasn't
41:48at stake in this trial was justice for lana clarkson and her family there was a subtext to this
41:55trial as well however the lada's office had not won a high profile case in 40 years even though there
42:04was pretty significant evidence that the celebrities were involved in criminal activity my first year in
42:10district attorney's office was the trial of oj simpson i was a young brand spanking new da
42:18there were enormous lessons that were learned from that trial
42:26jurors look at celebrities different they consider some identity with them there's a certain amount of
42:34sympathy that is built up and there's a lot of pressure on jurors they know afterwards they're going
42:39to be criticized by their friends if they find some celebrity guilty of something
42:46we didn't want to try phil spector the music producer we wanted to try phil spector the man
42:52the fact that he was this massive music producer who had produced fantastic music by anybody's standards
42:58phenomenal music and changed the course of music as we know it rock and roll as we know it it
43:04didn't
43:04matter what mattered was what happened inside that mansion on that particular day my strategy was to
43:12reveal the real phil spector period full stop we had close to 20 incidents that we wanted to use the
43:23judge
43:23relegated us to five which was fine there was a gun pointed at my temple he took the revolver and
43:31smacked me in the side of the head and said if you try to leave i'm going to kill you
43:34said if you
43:34leave i'll blow your head off it came out of nowhere i think he was wearing a plaid jacket because
43:40i
43:40remember thinking he looked like elmer fudd the gun was bigger than he was we went up a stairway to
43:45his
43:45bedroom he didn't have to do that you know he could have been romantic but he he did it by
43:50gunpoint he
43:51wanted to rape me it was difficult to hear there were these women burying their souls and i i really
44:11thank them for being able to do that because that wasn't easy for them to get up there in front
44:15of all
44:15the cameras of court tv and and you know all the people and just tell their gut-wrenching stories
44:20the media said we want gavel to gavel coverage we knew in the oj simpson case that was disastrous
44:30people start acting differently it becomes a show trial instead of presenting evidence you're
44:36presenting performances so one of the things that we tried to do was to make the witnesses on our side
44:42at least understand you were there to to simply tell the truth everything else is a distraction
44:49just ignore it i get nervous when i speak in public i don't like testifying it's breaking my balls to
44:56come here and talk to you i knew mr specter had unlimited resources so he had these very expensive
45:01very uh proficient very aggressive attorneys so i was at a disadvantage there's a couple of very
45:09simple rules and testifying that i live by listen to the question answer the question shut the hell
45:15up so i go to testify i'm nervous anyway mark lilliefeld bless his heart uh was on the witness stand
45:23during direct examination he's asked to describe something about uh lana and he slips and says her paw
45:32paw instead of her hand as soon as i said it i realized i called this woman's hand a paw
45:39like a dog
45:39paw partly because i was nervous partly because i'm a fool and i looked in the audience and i could
45:44see her
45:45mom looking at me and her mom's got this look of shock and disbelief you just called my deceased
45:51daughter's hand a paw i sat there and cringed um yeah it was not his finest moment he quickly corrected
46:01himself mark felt devastated that's the first time i can honestly say i had to talk him off the ledge
46:09he
46:10felt so bad he's just a canine lover has had dogs his whole life i was nicknamed after a dog
46:18i dream about
46:19dogs i have some dog issues and lana clarkson's mom who's the only one that mattered to me was
46:26totally i apologized to her i remember him coming up to me and i remember how sweet he was i
46:30was very
46:31grateful i just spoke to her about like it's really an honor to be a part of a homicide investigation
46:38where the victim was of such a a great character it was really a pleasure to know about her life
46:45and how she touched all these other people's lives
46:48it took a long time the trial itself several months there was a lot of witnesses the defense
47:00brought in a lot of defense experts from all over the united states hundreds of thousands of dollars
47:06were spent they were people that were world-renowned in their field of expertise and they were living
47:12proof that if you pay me enough i will tell you that i am donald duck and that the sky
47:16is not
47:17blue it's brown when you stick to the objective scientific evidence that's a suicide
47:27we weren't just prosecuting a case we were defending the truth
47:33the only defense that they could possibly present for how a gun went off in her mouth was to say
47:43she
47:43did it we knew that the defense was going to come after lana they had to they had to create
47:49this persona
47:50of a person who was deeply depressed and you know had one foot in the grave and the other on
47:55a banana peel
47:55and and she just had nothing to live for they had played and introduced a video i'll be no man's
48:03slave
48:03and no man's whore phil specter's wife at the time sat behind the defense team and she started giggling
48:11out loud and laughing at lana you officers can be so resourceful not with lana at lana the defense did
48:20that
48:20on purpose to mock her and to suggest that she was a lesser person a lesser actor who didn't have
48:28anything to live for and had no career aspirations or opportunities i knew that it hurt donna and the
48:35family well i mean you know when your good friend gets murdered and then and gets smeared in the process
48:41and all the rest of it i mean and you're listening to this stuff go on in court where they're
48:46presenting
48:47these stories about her it's that's painful because you know it's not true i was so frustrated
48:53because i felt like i couldn't protect her and protect her reputation in a way that she deserved
49:00to be protected in california defense lawyers for phil specter have rested their case
49:09you meet 12 people you've never met before and they've never met each other i mean it's hard to get
49:14people to to agree on what color the sky is right so i i never take for granted that anything's
49:20a slam
49:20dunk but i knew that we had marshaled the right evidence i knew that we had the right blueprint for
49:25the trial i knew that the witnesses all of the women who testified adriana de souza everybody did what
49:33they were supposed to do and i thought this shouldn't be that difficult the jurors have all of the tools
49:41they
49:41need that was on day one um my confidence started getting shaking shaky on day two and then that went
49:52into day three initially it's going to take a few days just because they have to go through every piece
49:59of evidence but then after that day five day seven day eight day nine and by that time i'm a
50:08wreck uh
50:09thinking what did i do wrong how could this be taking this long when the jury foreman took an initial
50:16poll it was disheartening we were so far apart there was four guilty five not guilty four undecided
50:25it's almost like a second trial that happened during deliberations some of us in the jury room had to
50:32like re-litigate for the jurors that either didn't get it or actually fell for the for the misinformation
50:39that the experts on the defense side were giving i guess if they repeat a lie in different ways and
50:47often it almost becomes fact it was the longest most oh painful experience ever been we all had to do
50:59our job on the evidence presented to us this is the come to jesus moment for all of us i
51:07mean i knew how
51:07serious it was i mean i was being honest and why i had to convict it'd been so contentious to
51:14the end
51:14that we just needed to get out of there we deliberated for 14 days this has been going way too
51:19long i went hitting the buzzer that was it this time i will find that the jury is unable to
51:26arrive
51:26at a verdict and declare a mistrial in this matter i thought it'd be a quick a done deal you
51:35know in and
51:36out and it wasn't i was insulted by the defense and the stuff that they threw uh and and i
51:45think i think i said enough
51:50as the gavel hit the bench my stomach dropped and i thought i failed everybody did what they were
52:01supposed to do and i felt like i was the one that didn't uh that wasn't able to to see
52:07it through and
52:08it was a very defeating moment in my career i went upstairs i started packing up my briefcase for the
52:15evening i wanted the press quite frankly to clear out a little bit and there was a lone reporter who
52:22stayed back with a microphone and a camera and as i walked out to my car she said mr jackson
52:30do you
52:31intend to retry this case and i stopped in my tracks and i looked at her and i said i
52:36will try this case
52:36as many times as it takes to get justice and i kept walking
52:46we weren't going to stop because of a hung jury it was never going to happen so we gathered our
52:53thoughts put the case back together and about a year and a half later we tried it again
53:04in the first trial out of 12 jurors 10 of them voted for guilt so ultimately i came to the
53:10conclusion
53:11that we had not done anything wrong let's just pick a new jury and put this case on basically
53:18blueprinted the same way the second time and that's what we did i didn't know what to expect in the
53:24second trial it wasn't as much of a spectacle but both trials were just as emotional for me
53:33the jury was in deliberation and i remember i was at my son's high school baseball game
53:40when this case came out he was 11. my son's 16 now my phone is blowing up hey they come
53:51to a verdict
53:53and i just sat there and i thought about it i'm always going to have other trials other verdicts
54:01and on the selfish side i'm not always going to have the opportunity to see my son play baseball
54:05and so i said no i'll i'll watch it on tv
54:13i had my son on one side my daughter on the other you know we were just sitting there holding
54:18our breath
54:21we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant philip specter guilty of the crime of
54:28second-degree murder of lana clarkson
54:33when they said guilty it was just like i could breathe you know i just you know couldn't believe
54:39oh finally you know we have a verdict that that was true families pleased that the jury rejected the
54:47distortion and trashing of lana clarkson's life which was a part of this trial the past trial has been
54:53going on now for six years no matter your fame or your wealth or your supposed celebrity
55:00you will stand trial and you will be accountable for your actions
55:06this was the first celebrity conviction in 40 years obviously that was a very very big deal for everybody
55:14involved it was nice to know that you could put on a case in los angeles against a well-funded
55:22very
55:23powerful celebrity and have the the satisfaction that the truth was going to come out mr specter got 19
55:32years to life
55:36there is the not the rehabilitative part of the law but the punishment part of law sit in your cell
55:43and think about what you've done the rest of your life until the day you die
55:48and you're carried out of this prison in a casket he's getting exactly what he deserves
56:07i was gone before the case even went to the first trial i left the job with ptsd
56:13i was wound too tight for the job honestly danny retired uh somewhat young i think that mark is
56:22the one that said one time everyone's got their number of bodies that number is different for
56:28everyone but at some point you've had your fill you're done this job is a magnificent wonderful job
56:36and it's been great to me and my family uh but it's a very very debilitating job it is uh
56:43emotionally dangerous
56:47i've got friends who have committed suicide i have other friends who have drank themselves
56:51to death and it wasn't called suicide but that's exactly what it was
56:56and there's more law enforcement suicides every year than there are line of duty deaths
57:00you know it's significant you know to do it as long as mark did it you have to be
57:05like mark where you really can let things glance off of you
57:14in 1994 i was still a young and new journeyman homicide detective i've only been a murder cop two
57:21years myself and my new partner assumed control of the mickey thompson and trudy thompson murders
57:28it's a high profile case being into cars back then i knew that mickey thompson was a legend
57:35his wife trudy was also involved in promoting the events the ambush murders of thompson and his wife
57:41trudy in the driveway of the couple's bradbury home they went after her first it was planned to torture
57:47my dad and it did
57:49thank you
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