00:00Ladies and gentlemen, back-to-back drafts.
00:02Hopefully it stays this way when the season starts.
00:04Back-to-back draft, back-to-back common-sense football guy drafts
00:09with this football team.
00:11Daryl Ryder here to talk about it all.
00:12He's brought to you by...
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00:16Daryl, how you feeling, man?
00:17Good morning, guys. Feeling pretty good about what Andrew Barry did.
00:20Thought he had a pretty good weekend.
00:21Hell yeah. Thought he did as well.
00:23Now, of the day two and day three picks,
00:27what was your favorite pick?
00:30Day two and day three...
00:31Well, day two would be Emmanuel McNeil-Warren.
00:35Okay.
00:36I'm like Andrew Barry.
00:37I can't believe he was still on the board.
00:39Almost reminds me a little bit of a couple years ago
00:42when they drafted Jeremiah Wusukoromoa
00:44and Andrew came out in the second round.
00:46Andrew came out and said,
00:47we had a first-round grade on him.
00:48We didn't think he was going to be available to us.
00:50And we got lucky.
00:52So I kind of feel the same way about Emmanuel.
00:55So, yeah, that's probably my favorite day two or day three pick.
01:00Yeah, overall, Daryl, I was really good with it.
01:03I do hear this every April that we've had the best drafts ever.
01:06And PFF always seems to like the Andrew Barry drafts.
01:09They seem to be very aligned.
01:10Maybe you could consider PFF a thought partner, if you will.
01:13But overall...
01:14Well, someone's got to replace Paul DiPodesta in the building, right?
01:17Yeah.
01:18Yeah.
01:18Yeah, I mean, so about that.
01:20Everybody was connecting the dots that, hey,
01:23they knocked it out of the park last year.
01:25This year, before we ever even see these guys in Cleveland,
01:28they knocked it out of the park, according to most,
01:30that it had to do with DiPodesta not being there.
01:33I said, maybe it has more to do with the fact
01:35they had first-round picks again.
01:36It's nice to have those.
01:37Yeah.
01:37Well, first and second-round picks.
01:39Yes, because people forget...
01:41Yeah, good call.
01:41...for a couple of years,
01:43they didn't have a second-round pick either
01:44because, you know, Barry was wheeling and dealing there.
01:48So, yeah, I think you're seeing the byproduct
01:51of having first- and second-round picks.
01:54That's part of it.
01:56I really don't think that the, you know,
01:58Paul DiPodesta was picking players behind the scenes,
02:01even though it's still a mystery to this day,
02:03just exactly what he did for the Browns.
02:06I do know he had his fingers in a lot of areas,
02:10both with football operations as well as
02:13with the Haslam Sports Group on the business side of things.
02:17But when you're talking about just the draft process
02:21and whatnot, they have the assets.
02:24And so when you look at previous drafts for Andrew Barry,
02:29he's picking third through seventh round.
02:32Yes, he missed a lot of players third through seventh round,
02:34but I got news for you.
02:36Every team misses players third through seventh round.
02:40So now that he's had a couple of drafts
02:42where he's got some first-round picks,
02:43he's got some second-round picks,
02:46and you're looking at what he's able to use them on.
02:50And right now, on paper, it looks great.
02:53They got four guys with first-round grades
02:56in the first two rounds of the draft.
02:58That's outstanding.
03:00And last year, well, you know,
03:02Harold Fannan Jr. was a third-round pick, right?
03:04He's starting to get some players later in the draft hit as well.
03:10So even if three of the first four of their picks hit
03:14and they get maybe one or two of their day three picks to hit,
03:19it's a home-run draft for the Browns.
03:22So, you know, Barry wanted to draft in volume this weekend,
03:26and he certainly did that as well.
03:28So, Daryl Ryder joining us on the show.
03:32What would you do with Taylor Greene?
03:35Well, I would absolutely treat him like a prospect project.
03:42You give him, you know, some practice reps.
03:46You know, I don't think you give him any first-team reps.
03:48I would not do that.
03:49But he's a project, and that's okay.
03:53Good NFL organizations have quarterback projects.
03:58New England Patriots did it for years.
04:00When they had Tom Brady, they'd draft quarterbacks and develop them
04:03and then spin them off for assets.
04:05Well, obviously right now the Browns aren't in a position
04:08to be able to spin a quarterback off for assets,
04:10but I would use him simply as a prospect.
04:17He's got the physical tools.
04:19He's got the size and arm strength and all that,
04:24but there are just a lot of things with his game that need to be polished
04:27and cleaned up that, you know, Andrew Barry talked about that.
04:30Todd Munkin talked about that.
04:32So get him on the field, see what he can do,
04:35and, you know, take the next couple of years to develop him
04:38and see if you have something.
04:38So you would put him at quarterback, though, within practice?
04:42Okay, because we had a knockdown dragout earlier today,
04:45which is maybe good for the draft that we're having knockdown dragouts
04:47over six-round picks for crying out loud.
04:49Yeah, Lime and I went after each other.
04:51Yeah, I mean, it's a sixth-round pick, too.
04:53Let's not forget that.
04:54It's kind of what I said last year with Shadur Sanders being a fifth-round pick.
04:57If Shadur works out, you hit the jackpot.
05:00If he doesn't work out, it's not a bust.
05:02It's not a failure.
05:03You took a shot.
05:03It didn't work.
05:04So, you know, now, Todd Munkin seemed to be open to the idea of maybe doing a
05:12package of plays for Taylor Greene to get him on the field
05:17and maybe take advantage of his abilities, you know,
05:21running the ball with it in his hands or whatnot.
05:23But I think that that's something that they just have to kind of, you know,
05:28figure out or work through.
05:30Also, what you don't want to do is, you know, when you do the gimmick thing
05:34and you put him on the field, you're all of a sudden telegraphing everything
05:37that you're doing because, you know, teams figure out when he's on the field
05:41something's up.
05:41So, there is a delicate balance there.
05:44Does Taylor Greene mean the days are numbered for Dylan Gabriel?
05:48Or is that just happenstance anyway that the days are numbered for Dylan Gabriel?
05:52Well, I think the days are numbered for Dylan Gabriel anyway, number one.
05:55Number two, they needed to add a fourth quarterback.
05:56They were going to add a fourth quarterback, whether it was over the weekend
06:00or through undrafted free agency.
06:04So, you know, Andrew Berry left the door open to bring in another quarterback,
06:10a veteran quarterback, I should say.
06:13That's not going to materialize now.
06:15Berry said over the weekend, this now will be the quarterback room going forward.
06:19Borrowing any developments, and obviously the development you, me,
06:22and everyone else is thinking could occur,
06:24and that is the departure of Dylan Gabriel via a trade.
06:28I don't know what you'd get for Dylan.
06:29You probably wouldn't get much.
06:31But this, you know, having four quarterbacks is something the Browns
06:36and a lot of teams do.
06:37Berry said he wants to have three quarterbacks on the active roster
06:41and one quarterback on the practice squad.
06:44I was having some debates over the weekend with folks about whether or not
06:48Taylor Greene would make it to a practice squad.
06:51Would teams pick him up off the waiver wire on cut down day?
06:55So, but yeah, they're going to have four quarterbacks.
06:59They needed a fourth quarterback.
07:00They used the first pick in the sixth round to find theirs.
07:03Dale Reiter joining us right now.
07:05How different of a draft is this for the Browns
07:08if Carnell Tate was available at number six?
07:12Ooh.
07:14I don't know if it would be that different.
07:17I mean, they passed Caleb Downs, so, and I had said that if Caleb Downs
07:24was available, I would run the card up to the podium myself.
07:29And so, I don't know that it would be all that different, Anthony.
07:33Well, the reason I ask that, obviously, is they then went with two wide receivers
07:38later on, which they obviously would not have done had they have had Tate,
07:42and then, you know, what are you doing at the offensive line?
07:45Right.
07:46If they would have taken Tate, right, then they don't get any,
07:50they don't get their top linemen, they don't get any of the top linemen
07:55in this draft class at 24.
07:57It just wasn't going to happen.
07:58So, strange as it may seem to hear from me,
08:03I really think Andrew Barry played his cards right, trading down three spots,
08:08picking up a couple of assets.
08:09You still get the linemen that you say you wanted in Spancer Feneau,
08:13and you ended up with Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston back-to-back.
08:20So, you still get two what I believe to be really good receivers to add to that
08:27receiving room.
08:28Well, the reason I really ask the question is I was surprised they did not trade up
08:32like the Eagles did when they went and got Lemon.
08:36And that was obviously a big move.
08:38And, look, it just depends on who you believe or your own film watching
08:42or any of that stuff.
08:43I don't ever pretend to be a guru on that.
08:46But I wonder, do you think there is a realistic shot that either of those wide receivers
08:50could be a certifiable number one?
08:55Yeah, I do.
08:58But, you know, you've got to see this thing on the field, right?
09:04And I hear the argument Nick and I talked about on the show yesterday
09:08about having potentially three number twos on your team with Concepcion Boston
09:13and obviously Jerry Judy.
09:15Barry said over the weekend that Judy is their bell cow.
09:19Oh, boy.
09:21I found that comment to be very interesting.
09:24And also, too, that might be just GM speak, right?
09:26Also, keep in mind, Barry traded for Judy and also gave him a contract extension.
09:31So, certainly you don't want to say, hey, yeah, by the way,
09:34Concepcion or Boston's replacing Jerry Judy.
09:37So, I kind of understand where Barry might be coming from on that.
09:41I've never seen a bell cow wide receiver making what he's making,
09:46being your number one, and having 50 catches.
09:48Well, absolutely.
09:50Two touchdowns.
09:51That's unheard of.
09:52And also having the poor attitude that he had last year.
09:55Now, you know, he's spending time with Shadour and the other quarterbacks this offseason,
10:00so that's good.
10:01Maybe he's gotten out of his system whatever he was working through,
10:05dealing with last year.
10:07Jerry Judy, getting that out of the system, huh?
10:09You think that's going to happen?
10:10Listen, I don't know.
10:12You know, I'm trying to be fair about the situation.
10:15Jerry indicated at some point that there was something going on off the field
10:18that he didn't want to talk about.
10:21You know, hopefully it was nothing significant or whatnot.
10:25Hopefully it was just he had a bad year and was in a bad mood every day.
10:30Just heard a lot of that in his previous stop.
10:32I understand that, and I've been very, very critical of the fact that the Browns put a
10:38contract in front of a guy who had that reputation.
10:41And in year two here, we got to see exactly why the Denver Broncos couldn't get him out
10:47of the building fast enough.
10:48So hopefully whatever was going on last year, hopefully that's behind him.
10:53Hopefully the additions that Andrew Berry has made this offseason will elevate this
10:58offense and put everybody in a better mood, including the fans.
11:01A lot of wide receivers, or I should say a lot of weapons, a lot of offensive linemen.
11:06Was this draft an endorsement of Shador Sanders, or are we just getting ready for whoever gets
11:12the job and whoever might have to get the job in the future as well?
11:16I think part of it is they're giving Shador Sanders weapons and an opportunity to be successful
11:22because of all the talk last year, as you remember, Ken, everyone was saying how the Browns
11:26were sabotaging Shador Sanders and doing everything they could do to make him
11:31fail.
11:32Well, a lot has been invested in this draft class on that side of the ball.
11:37So that gives, I think, Shador Sanders a true opportunity to succeed or fail on his own
11:45merits.
11:45And if it doesn't work out, then they can look ahead to 2027 and doing what they need to do
11:53to position themselves to get one of those top quarterbacks that everyone's expecting to
11:57be available.
11:59Darryl Ryder joining us here on the show.
12:00Tone.
12:01Yeah, Darryl, the Cavaliers lost yesterday.
12:04I saw your tweet at the end of the game.
12:07Now, let the record show, this show in particular had the Cavs winning in five.
12:12I had them in five, too.
12:14And I was called a coward for it.
12:15Yeah, so this is going a lot like...
12:18And I'm getting a hamburger out of it.
12:19Who's calling you a coward?
12:21Well, this seems very...
12:23So you love those burger bats with the afternoon boys.
12:25I do, because I usually win them.
12:27Ooh.
12:27In this case, man, it's looking a lot like that Orlando Magic series where you won the
12:32first two, then lost the next two on the road.
12:34Now, they won that series.
12:35And Donovan had some spectacular moments in that series.
12:39Will we get spectacular Donovan Mitchell on Wednesday?
12:43How confident are you of that after two duds in Toronto?
12:47After watching what I watched yesterday, I'm not confident of anything.
12:51I mean, that was the ultimate game they needed to steal.
12:54Toronto couldn't throw it into the ocean standing on the beach.
12:57And neither could the Cavs.
12:59I mean, that was just some of the ugliest basketball you'll ever watch.
13:03And the fact that the Cavaliers let that slip away and they played as sloppily as they did
13:09was extremely disappointed.
13:11They did not look like a team that was focused and zeroed on.
13:16In on the business at hand.
13:18And that's what frustrates me about that team is they have the talent.
13:24They've had the talent.
13:26Talent doesn't always win.
13:28I understand that.
13:29But every year we hear about how they're motivated from the failure of the previous year.
13:34I don't know.
13:35These last two games, did they look like a team that's motivated by this stigma of being
13:41Charmins soft, Marshmallows soft, and exiting early in the playoffs every year?
13:48Not to me.
13:49You know, the serious teams are getting it done.
13:53Look at Oklahoma City and what they're doing.
13:56I can't believe I'm about to say this, but look what the Lakers are doing.
13:59So, this has been a disappointing development, what we saw the last two games in Toronto.
14:05Obviously, the Cavs can still win the series, but my confidence is a little shaken.
14:09I can't lie.
14:11Daryl, thank you for your time.
14:13We appreciate it.
14:15You beefing with certain Pittsburgh radio hosts this weekend, Daryl?
14:18Oh, yeah.
14:18Daryl, you were beefing.
14:20Yeah, I had to stuff Pony in a locker.
14:22He came after me.
14:23And I was trying to have a little fun with him, and so, yeah, I had to clap back.
14:28I'm proud of it, but I did it.
14:29Daryl, there in no mood for fun over there in Pittsburgh.
14:33Daryl, be proud of it.
14:34It's okay.
14:34You don't have to not be proud of it.
14:366.51 Holiday Drive.
14:37Get in your car now.
14:38I'll be done at 2 o'clock.
14:42Daryl, thank you.
14:42You know what?
14:43I'll say this.
14:44I never had to pierce my nipples because I lost a bet.
14:46No.
14:47Well, I got my nipples pierced.
14:48What are you talking about?
14:50Daryl wins them all.
14:51He just smashes hamburgers every time.
14:53He just wins a lot of food he gets to eat.
14:56Daryl, thank you.
14:57I'll talk to you Friday.
14:57You bet, guys.
14:58Look forward to it.
14:59The tremendous Daryl Ryder.
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