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00:00Let's go to the Make It Right Call, Kyle Wright Hotline.
00:03We are two days away from the NFL Draft.
00:05Ryan Wilson joins us, CBS Sports football analyst, NFL analyst,
00:09host of the With the First Pick podcast with Rand Carthon.
00:13He joins us right now.
00:14Ryan, good morning to you.
00:16Good morning.
00:17I'm excited to let you guys talk to Tom Montgomery.
00:18Talk to him at the Senior Bowl.
00:19He's a fun story.
00:21Well, I'm very excited.
00:22I mean, Lima has a bunch of his calls.
00:24I mean, Lima was basically the home TV guy for them.
00:26I mean, it's amazing.
00:28Yeah, you don't understand.
00:30Dude, he's like the Jim Nance of Northeast Ohio.
00:32Tony is, Ryan.
00:32You have no idea.
00:33He got to the national semifinals.
00:35His story is amazing.
00:37And it's one of those guys that you wonder if they can get enough,
00:41generate enough interest.
00:42The buzz will be there for a kid like that with a crazy story
00:46to actually land on a team.
00:47He's talked to a bunch of them.
00:49Yeah.
00:50I mean, you know this, Lima, as well.
00:53He tried to walk on LSU to play basketball.
00:56His mother got sick.
00:57And then he told me at the Senior Bowl that he had not faced man coverage
01:01until Senior Bowl week for a couple of years because of John Carroll.
01:04All those D3 kids are not going to try to play him in man coverage.
01:08So he just went to the Senior Bowl and dominated.
01:10Fun story for sure, man.
01:12Ryan, what do you think that the Browns should do at six?
01:14What do you think that they should do at 24?
01:16What do you got?
01:18Tackle wide receiver.
01:20And I'm not sure the level of anger that the listeners have at this point
01:25in terms of what the names potentially could be.
01:27I keep hearing Caden Proctor at six.
01:30I mentioned to you guys a few weeks ago that I thought Caden Proctor
01:33made more sense than Monroe Freeling.
01:36But we'll see.
01:37I think Andrew Berry does a good job of playing things pretty close to the best.
01:40And then at 24, if there's a receiver there that they like.
01:44I know, Tim, that you're not crazy about Casey Concepcion,
01:47but if he's the name there, I like his versatility
01:50and his playmaking ability and space.
01:53And then, of course, there have been talks about trading down from six especially.
01:57And I think you can trade down from six and get a tackle four or five
02:00or six picks later if there's someone that a team wants to come up.
02:03The only question is I don't know who's going to be there.
02:05I don't think Jeremiah Love's going to be there.
02:07If a team wants to move from Jeremiah Love,
02:08I'll be sort of surprised if an Arbel or a Sonny Stiles are there.
02:13So they may be stuck at six just because there's no one for another team
02:16to want to leapfrog and come grab.
02:19Well, Casey Concepcion has a good attitude about him.
02:22So, you know, when I talk about speed without hands,
02:26you know, it's going to be tough because I worry about the hands.
02:29Everybody keeps saying, well, you know, he's inconsistent.
02:31Hands, hands, hands, hands, hands, hands, hands.
02:32But I'm like, well, he's got a good attitude.
02:34So we're not doing Corey Coleman land all over again here at 24 with Casey Concepcion.
02:38So I'm fine with that.
02:39But I was willing to go inside out of what I usually do.
02:42Like, I'm an inside out builder.
02:45I want to go offensive line first.
02:46But I was willing to go the reverse, willing to go wide receiver first,
02:49then offensive line because I got to tell you, Ryan, I think we get to 24
02:53and maybe all those wide receivers that we think are first-round guys
02:57end up getting taken.
02:58Then what am I going to do?
02:59I end up with maybe two projects in the first round.
03:03I mean, Caden Proctor at six, I think he's a much better athlete
03:07than people give him credit for.
03:08But, you know, listen, I'm a great big fat person.
03:12So I say this being sensitive.
03:15It's much easier for – I think it's easier for an offensive line coach
03:19to put weight on a guy than to take weight off a guy.
03:24Yeah.
03:24No, look, I get it.
03:25And those are real concerns.
03:26And the hesitation – and I talked to you guys about this before –
03:29is the DeJuan Jones situation where at his pro day,
03:32he didn't even get on the scale, which is unheard of at pro days.
03:34There were audible laughs from NFL staff when he announced that.
03:39And then, you know, we know how things are going on.
03:40He struggled with injuries.
03:41He's actually been pretty good when he's been locked in.
03:43But your point's a good one, Ken, in that maybe these wide receivers,
03:47there could be a run on them.
03:48And here's the thing.
03:49As you were talking, if you said that maybe the Browns like Jordan Tyson
03:54or Carnell Tate at six, is that rich?
03:57Are they legit number ones?
03:59Yes, it's rich.
04:00It's unclear if they're legit number ones.
04:02But also, it's a huge need.
04:03And if you love the player – and I'll say this about Jordan Tyson.
04:06I know we talked to death of the injuries.
04:08He's missed five games the last two seasons.
04:10It's not like he hasn't played.
04:11He's put up some pretty impressive numbers missing those five games.
04:15So, it's not like he's been in a wheelchair for two straight years.
04:18He had a serious knee injury in 2022, which you really can't avoid.
04:21Broke his collarbone at the end of the 24th season,
04:24which is sort of unavoidable.
04:25And a hamstring.
04:26And hamstrings are – you would hope with, you know,
04:29more medical staff around you and better nutrition and so on and so forth.
04:32That'll be alleviated.
04:34So, you can talk me into that for sure.
04:36And I think there are going to be a few offensive tackles down there at pick 24.
04:40More right tackles than left tackles.
04:42So, you have to sort that out.
04:43But I take your point.
04:45Ryan Wilson joined us right now on the hotline.
04:47So, obviously, the Giants, they do the deal with the Cincinnati Bengals.
04:52So, they're sitting there at 5 and 10.
04:55How much do they control this draft?
04:57How much do they impact what the Browns are going to do?
05:03Yeah.
05:03This is going to be – this is one of the most unpredictable drafts as we sit here 38,
05:0948 hours out.
05:11Just because there's so many unknowns, starting with the quarterback outside of
05:14Fernando Mendoza.
05:16What do the Jets want to do it to?
05:18Will the Arizona Cardinals take Jeremiah Love at the rear?
05:20Will they take one of the Ohio State players?
05:21And that just leads to so many different – the decision tree is almost infinite at
05:27this point.
05:27When you look at it on a sheet of paper, I personally, I think the Giants should
05:31seriously consider an offensive lineman.
05:32I think Francis Malinoa makes it sense.
05:34I know Giants fans have PTSD from taking all these offensive linemen in recent
05:38first rounds that haven't worked out, like Evan Neal.
05:41But Andrew Thomas did work out.
05:43And Jackson Dart is sometimes his own worst enemy in terms of the way he plays.
05:48If Caleb Downs is there, you wonder, will they take Caleb at 10?
05:52And the other thing is, if Jeremiah Love is there at 5, excuse me, do they want to go
05:58Jeremiah Love wide receiver?
06:00Well, wide receiver's there at 10 because their defense stinks.
06:02And Jeremiah Love isn't a huge need, but he's one of the best players in this draft.
06:06So that's going to be – it feels like the turning point when we get there.
06:10Again, Jeremiah Love could be gone.
06:11The Titans could take him at 4.
06:13But if they go offensive line at 5, they could circle back, and they'll be an edge rusher
06:17if they want, or a cornerback at 10.
06:19But they do desperately need wide receiver help.
06:21So they can't really go wrong because they have so many needs, but also doubling up on
06:27offense feels like a luxury for a team that was so bad defensively a year ago.
06:31Ryan Wilson joining us, CBS Sports.
06:33Bengals got beat up for that trade.
06:35I'll ask this question.
06:36We'll get back to the bronze.
06:37Bengals got beat up a little bit for that trade, actually defended it, because I'm going,
06:40well, if you're taking a guy on defense at No. 10 overall, aren't you hoping that he's
06:43going to be as good as Dexter Lawrence?
06:45Dexter Lawrence is 28 years old.
06:46He's in his prime.
06:47Why wouldn't you just make a deal for Dexter Lawrence in a draft that we don't think is
06:51as great as other drafts in the past, and isn't going to be as great as the 2027 draft?
06:57I couldn't agree more.
06:58That's exactly it.
06:59You know what you're getting in Dexter Lawrence.
07:01You can say, well, what about last year?
07:02Well, last year he was hurt.
07:04Also, last year he was double-team every time.
07:06And also, last year they traded away every other member of that defensive line, except
07:10for Brian Burns and Kayvon Thibodeau and then Uncle Carter, who are all edge rushers.
07:14So it was a big ask for Dexter Lawrence.
07:18And he also may have been frustrated.
07:19You can say, well, he's getting paid his contract, so he should play hard every snap.
07:24I'm sure none of us sit at our desk and just read Twitter as opposed to doing our actual
07:28job for 45 minutes a day every once in a while.
07:31And the other thing, if you go back and look at the history of first-round picks, and you
07:36can certainly, from the range 8 to 15, there are a lot of guys in that list that didn't
07:40work out.
07:40You absolutely know what you're getting in Dexter Lawrence.
07:43And I don't care that he's 28.
07:44That's still pretty young.
07:45Yes, you have to pay him.
07:46He's one of the best players in the NFL.
07:48But you're paying for the insurance of knowing that he is who he is, not projecting that he
07:54will be this player, fingers crossed, if everything works out.
07:56Are you going to take him or Caleb Banks?
07:58Are you going to take him or Peter Woods out of Clemson?
08:01I mean, that's a pretty easy answer, even when you throw in there the cost of a contract
08:06to get him to Cincinnati.
08:08Ryan, do you believe when a lot of the pundits start saying, wow, this guy, his stock is rising,
08:15he's jumping all over the place on the draft board, do you believe in any of that the week
08:20of the draft?
08:21Or has this stuff all been settled for months?
08:24It's all been settled.
08:25I was talking to the team yesterday morning, and they're like, we're done.
08:29Like, they're done doing everything.
08:31And it's just a matter of what's finding its way out of the building.
08:35And there's really no incentive for teams to tell us in the media exactly what they're
08:39going to do.
08:40Oftentimes, they speculate about what they think other teams might do.
08:43And sometimes they have some information, but obviously they're not in the other team's
08:47room or looking at their big board.
08:49And so teams are done, unless someone's dragging, there's not a lot of, not left to settle.
08:55It's just a matter of, we have a lot of time to kill between now and April 23rd at 8pm
09:00Eastern.
09:00So that's why this sort of stuff happens.
09:02I'm starting to become a little bit more open-minded about moving offensive linemen around the
09:06offensive line.
09:07Am I catching up with the times?
09:09Is that something that we're going to be forced to do because of all the movement that's
09:12going on in college football?
09:15Wait, I thought you meant like moving Titus Howard to the right guard or something.
09:18What do you mean?
09:19I mean, taking an offensive lineman like, you know, I made an argument last week, like
09:23I'll take Blake Miller.
09:24Blake Miller played four years at left tackle, not in high school, but I mean, you're starting
09:27from 14 years old for crying out loud.
09:29So I think he's a better athlete than what people give him credit for.
09:31They put him over at right tackle.
09:33I think he only made one start at left tackle at Clemson.
09:35And I think he's only missed like two practices in the history of him playing football, if I'm
09:40not mistaken.
09:40I think Zach Jackson told us that from The Athletic.
09:43I would take Blake Miller and I would consider moving him over to left tackle.
09:47I think when you play it that young, you might be a natural left tackle.
09:51And he's been able to show that he can play both sides because I would take him at 24 if
09:55he's there.
09:56I know the Eagles still like him and I would consider moving him around.
10:00Yeah.
10:01Yeah.
10:01I gotcha.
10:02Yeah.
10:02He started, I know he played two games at 24 left tackle, Citadel in the pit game.
10:06And 24 was pretty up and down for him on the right side.
10:10I went back and watched some of those left tackle snaps.
10:12He was pretty good.
10:13And to your point, he's pretty athletic.
10:16I talked to five or six, the offensive linemen at the senior bowl.
10:18And I was thinking about this the other day.
10:20He was the only guy that sort of took, like, I had to, I felt a little nervous around him,
10:25which is a weird thing to say.
10:26You know, you talk to these guys all the time, but he, the intensity level was, was, was there.
10:31And I know people at Clemson love him.
10:32And to your point, he, he's always on the field and this is what ran Carthon and the
10:37Titans with JC Latham.
10:39JC Latham went from the right side of Alabama to the left side at, uh, for the Titans.
10:43And he was pretty good.
10:44So if you've had that conversation in the building and the offensive line coach is good
10:48with it, you can certainly make it happen.
10:50When you talk to these guys during the pre-drive process, they all say they're working on the
10:53opposite side of, of where they customarily played in college.
10:57So I'm sure he's been practicing there in terms of the lead up to the draft.
11:01But, uh, if the Browns are on board with it and I think he could do it and you're getting
11:07the other thing is this, when you, when you talk about these offensive linemen in particular,
11:10you want them to have an edge.
11:11Blake Miller has an edge.
11:13There's no concern there.
11:14That's what I like, man.
11:15I mean, I start getting excited.
11:16I start sounding like John Gruden a little bit there, Ryan.
11:18Cause I like, man, Ohio guys, like you take a guy from Glenville, right?
11:22There's a gear there that I, I've been in other parts of the country that they don't have.
11:26There, there's like a psychotic gear.
11:28You take a guy from Stark County, like, Hey, you worked with Rick Spillman.
11:31You know, it, there's a gear that a guy from Northeast Ohio, that guy, and the guy from
11:36Northeast Ohio has, that's a lot of guys don't have.
11:40And when you're telling me about him and that, that intensity level, like, yeah, I'm, I'm
11:44starting to get a little excited, right?
11:45I kind of want, now I want to move up from 24 and go after the kid.
11:49He's a good player.
11:50Rick told me that he and his brother, Chris, once when they were in their twenties were driving
11:54around probably Northeast Ohio, it was 95 degrees.
11:57They had dip in and they had the windows up with the heat on to see how tough they were.
12:00So I think that, that sort of leads, uh, that, that leans into your, your Blake Miller theory.
12:05I don't hate it, man.
12:06Blake Miller's going to be a first round pick.
12:07It's just a matter of, of how he fits and how you think you're going to use them.
12:10But, uh, I, I agree with everything you're saying.
12:13Ryan, final one, um, in 2007, the NFL draft went from 15 minutes down to, I think it was,
12:21was it 12 at first 12.
12:23Now we're down to eight.
12:25We're starting with eight minutes.
12:26Our team's going to be ready for this.
12:27We've seen a team famously get skipped, uh, when they weren't ready to go up to the podium.
12:34I'm all on board with this line.
12:36I saw Omar Khan, not super pumped about it, but he also qualified it by saying everyone
12:41else has eight minutes as well.
12:42I love it.
12:42Yeah.
12:43Let's get this thing.
12:43Yeah.
12:44I'm with you, man.
12:44I don't need to be up at 1am waiting to see what the Seahawks trade out of that last pick.
12:49Let's just make the picks and then we can get on with preparing for round two.
12:52Yeah.
12:52Eight minutes is enough time.
12:53You have your board there.
12:54If someone's name is called, you put that red X to it and then you move on to the next
12:58guy.
12:58Why did they change it?
12:59Is that a, that's not a competition committee thing.
13:01Like who, who is responsible for this?
13:03I thought the NFL loved the fact they could take as much time and make it a, make it an
13:08event as
13:09possible.
13:09I'm sorry, Ryan, you're the guest.
13:11I'm sorry.
13:12Go ahead.
13:12I'm sorry.
13:13That was dumb of me.
13:15No, you, you, you're looking no more than me, Ken, because I don't know who made the
13:19decision.
13:19I just applauded it because like 15 minutes, I can't believe that was actually a thing
13:23at one point.
13:24But I, I understand, you know, they, the NFL tells the Raiders not to let anyone know
13:28who the pick is and don't announce it and all that other stuff.
13:31And I understand that for the drama television.
13:34But again, when it's pushing midnight and we're just dragging and having, you know, 10 minutes
13:39of conversation because no one knows what's going on while they wait for the pick.
13:42I think that ship's sailed.
13:43So I'm okay with it.
13:44I don't know who made the decision, but, um, I'm not going to complain about it.
13:48Ryan, thank you so much for the time.
13:50Enjoy Thursday.
13:51Enjoy the entire weekend.
13:52And, you know, we're going to talk to you again very soon.
13:54Thank you so much, friend.
13:55Thank you guys.
13:56Good talking to you.
13:57At Ryan Wilson, CBS on social media.
13:59Caden Proctor at six, huh?
14:02I'm getting texts.
14:03Coach, Coach Lance immediately.
14:05He texted you too?
14:05Yes.
14:06Okay.
14:06All right.
14:08Yeah.
14:08Yeah.
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