00:00She is Mary Kay Cabot. Hi Mary Kay. Hey guys, how you doing? Not as well as you.
00:06I loved your preview and I love the first line. Who will go first?
00:12Well, I think that's what everyone kind of wants to know. I think all eyes will be trained on
00:19those quarterbacks. We want to catch clues for what the depth chart looks like, what Todd Munkin
00:25has been thinking, how these guys have been performing, and above all, what do they actually
00:30look like?
00:32So Mary Kay, on the draft side of things, of course, that's going to be the other part of
00:37this. Well, of course, the Browns will be on the field. Do you see, it seems like we might
00:42be in the midst of silly season because I'm seeing a lot of defensive ends possibly going
00:46to the Browns. Do you see that as even being on the table for this team?
00:50Well, I've been writing for a long time that yes, a defensive player is on the table.
00:55For this team, 100%. We know that Andrew Barry loves defensive players. We know that he loves
01:02to stock that defense and keep things going strong. So that wouldn't shock me at all. He
01:07has been trying to tell everybody for years and years and years that he doesn't draft for
01:12need, that he goes into every single draft believing that he is stocking an expansion
01:17team. So that wouldn't surprise me at all.
01:21With that thought in mind, the idea of a trade down and accumulating more draft picks
01:26appeals to me, Mary Kay, because everybody says top five, six guys in this draft are primo
01:32talents. And after that, you've got a bunch of the guys in kind of a same type of space.
01:37And if you could load up on a bunch of those guys, I get it. But is that worth passing
01:42up
01:42maybe a guy who could be a big time player for a decade or so? In other words, one of
01:47the top six guys in this draft, top five guys after Fernando Mendoza?
01:52Well, it depends. Each team has these guys evaluated differently. And we don't know exactly
01:58how the Browns are viewing the top six, seven players in this draft. If they have different
02:03grades on them or higher grades on them than some of these other teams do, then they'll
02:07stay there and pick at number six. If they see someone there that can make an impact for
02:11them right away and for the foreseeable future. But if they don't see that, if they see a range
02:18of guys, five or six guys or seven guys or whatever that they feel are sort of in the
02:23same boat there, then I do think that they'll try to trade back depending on what they can
02:27get in return and pick up, hopefully for them, a more premium pick for next year's draft.
02:33Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com and the Plain Dealer joining us in the Make It Right Call,
02:37Kyle Wright Hotline. What would be a dream scenario for the Cleveland Browns with that
02:42first pick, Mary Kay?
02:44Well, I would say probably trading back into a space where you can still get exactly what you want,
02:52or one of the four players or five players that you still want there that you had equally
02:56rated and then picking up at least another second round pick next year that you can perhaps package
03:02in a trade up to get the quarterback that you want in the event that you need him. I think
03:07that
03:07that would be probably the way to go. And then if you do that, when you trade back, then you
03:13perhaps
03:13can still get maybe the tackle that you want there. Then maybe you come back at number 24. Maybe you
03:18mess with that pick a little bit, but maybe you stay right there at number 24 and you can get
03:24a
03:24receiver that you really like there. And not because you absolutely need one, but because
03:29the strengths of this class match what your needs are. Not because he's going to start drafting for
03:35need at 24. That's still too high to do that. But because there are going to be plenty of good
03:41receivers still left at that spot. So I would say that that would be a home run for them in
03:46round one.
03:47Mary Kay, we know the team is looking at an offensive lineman. That's been, everybody says that,
03:53everybody, everybody knows that. But with that said, so many people are still hanging on to the
03:59idea that where they have to redo their offensive line. They already did that for the most part in
04:03free agency. Did they not? Dan and I are going to discuss this later. How do you see that playing
04:09out? Because right now you got to think it's DeWand and Zion Johnson on the left side, Elton Jenkins at
04:16center, Tevin Jenkins at right guard and Titus Howard at right tackle. So where would a new guy fit?
04:24Well, I think you would probably want a tackle that could replace either DeJuan Jones in the event that you
04:31needed him to, in the event that he wasn't going to stay healthy or didn't nail down that left tackle
04:35job,
04:35or to play on the right side in case you can move Titus over to the left. So I do
04:40think
04:41that they probably would do well to end up with a tackle out of this draft, but also a center.
04:47You don't realize how important center is until you don't have one. So if I were them,
04:52I would be seeking a center somewhere in this draft. And sometimes you have to take those guys
04:57pretty high. So I think we can all expect that Andrew Berry will surprise us somewhere along the
05:02line, like he did last year with Carson Swessinger. He doesn't go according to Hoyle all the time.
05:08And, um, after he explains it, it usually makes more sense.
05:14Mary Kay, Luke Whipler hurt, but all, all accounts, he's going to be okay to get going.
05:20Um, they obviously drafted him late, but they drafted Zach Zinter in the third round.
05:26Why is it that he's an afterthought in everybody's thought? And do you think he could actually
05:32compete to the point where he becomes a starter on this offensive line this year?
05:36Well, I think he has a chance and I think the Browns would love it if that happened. So I
05:41do
05:41think you will see him competing for a starting job at one of the guard spots and, uh, and he's
05:48got
05:48to show what he's got. He's got to show what he can do. So this is his opportunity. If he
05:53was ever
05:53going to seize the moment now is it. And so I do think that you will see, uh, the best
05:59of what
05:59he has to offer during the next few months. Mary Kay joining us on the make it right call
06:05Kyle, right? Hotline. What can be, give us a couple of people. I should word it this way
06:10who have something to gain over this voluntary OTA period that we're in the midst of.
06:18Well, I think Dylan Gabriel is certainly one of them. We have all kind of written Dylan Gabriel
06:23off. We are going to get a chance to hear from Shador and Dylan today. I think that's exciting.
06:27I can't wait to hear what these guys have to say. Uh, but I'm guessing that, that Dylan,
06:33well, he will be asked. I don't know how he'll address it, but he will be asked about sort of
06:38being overlooked in the quarterback competition. And when I look at this QB competition, now I'm
06:44starting to think that he's going to raise his hand and say, Hey, don't forget about me.
06:48And the reason why I say that is because he is so smart and he's such a quick processor that
06:55I think
06:56he's going to be able to play fast and look good in this new offense. Sometimes the great equalizer
07:01for quarterbacks is knowing the system and knowing the scheme and whichever one of these guys can
07:06really assimilate this offense and put onto the grass, what they have learned in the classroom.
07:12That guy is going to have a chance to shine in this competition. So I think he's going to make
07:16it a game. Don't rule him out. And he's somebody I would keep my eye on. Mary Kay, Todd Munkin
07:22has
07:22talked about mobility at quarterback and how he wants that. Is Dylan, is Shador mobile enough to
07:30give Todd Munkin what he wants at that position? Yes. And I've asked that question over and over and over
07:35again, this whole entire off season. And I think most people believe that Shador displayed more
07:42mobility and off schedule playmaking ability last year than, than they thought he would. I don't know
07:48if anybody would really admit that, but that really seems to be the case that he, he was much better
07:53at the off schedule play and making something happened and creating than some people thought he would
07:59be. So I think all of them have the requisite mobility to run Todd Munkin scheme. What will
08:06be interesting is to see how agile, how mobile does Deshaun Watson look coming off of not one,
08:12but two Achilles surgeries. That is a good question. I can't wait to see that Mary Kay, because
08:19if he looks good, I would think Todd Munkin might be salivating.
08:25Well, we just don't know yet. We don't know what they are thinking about any of these quarterbacks
08:31yet and who's going to rise to the occasion. And then here's going to be the tricky and tough part
08:36because it doesn't matter what you look like in seven on sevens. And it really doesn't matter what
08:40you look like in 11 on 11s in shorts with no pressure and no game planning for you. What matters
08:46is how you perform during a live football game. When a defensive coordinator has schemed all week to
08:53take away your strengths. So even if somebody looks amazing in practice, it still doesn't mean
08:59that the season is going to work out quite like that. So I think it's going to be a little
09:04bit
09:04of an evolution as we proceed through the season. It is very well known and well stated that Miles
09:10Garrett is not here for any of this stuff on a scale of one to 10. So we've heard, huh?
09:15One being
09:15the worst, 10 being absolute freak out on the Mary Kay Cabot scale. How much should fans care about
09:20the fact that Miles Garrett is not at these voluntary workouts? Well, it didn't prevent him
09:25from earning two NFL defensive player of the year awards. It did not prevent him from setting the
09:30single season sack record last year. So nobody should worry about that from a performance standpoint.
09:36The coaches aren't even worried about that at all from a performance standpoint. I think the place
09:41where you would question it some would be just in getting to know your teammates, getting to know
09:46your coaches, camaraderie, leadership, setting the tone, those kinds of things. Just showing up and
09:51saying, hey, I'm here because this matters that much to me to be here. He came to the Cavs game
09:56the
09:57other night. That's great. That's wonderful. He's a minority owner of the Cavs, but I think it would
10:02also show something to the coaches and the players if he could pop his head into voluntary minicamp.
10:10I would agree with that. That would be, it would be nice. I get it. You get it. But if
10:16Andrew
10:16Barry's phone rings day before the draft and somebody just wants Miles like crazy, it would
10:24you, would you think of moving him at his age? He's only 30. On the other hand, Mary Kay, we
10:29know
10:29he's, he's got a lot of things going on in life. I don't know if he's a guy who's playing
10:33until he's
10:3435. Would you, would you start discussing a trade if somebody was interested? Well, let me say that I
10:41still don't think that Andrew Barry is going to do that. I believe him. I'm taking him at his word
10:47when he says he's not trading Miles Garrett. Now, sometimes things are 100% true until something
10:55changes. And even Andrew has to admit that you can never say never, but heading into this draft,
11:02I don't really see a world in which it's going to happen. Uh, but I will qualify that and say,
11:08you can never say never. What if someone does get on that phone and make him an offer that he
11:13absolutely steadfastly cannot refuse. So he must, he must have some intel that that's not going to
11:20happen like that because he seems pretty sure that he's not going to be trading him. But once again,
11:26maybe someone will surprise even him. Terrific preview piece of mini camp, Mary Kay. I enjoyed
11:32reading it very much. Can't wait to read your coverage on the camp on the plane dealer in
11:37cleveland.com. Thank you. Appreciate it as always, Mary Kay. Thank you guys. It'll be a little chilly.
11:42Yeah. Thanks Mary Kay. She joins us on the make it right call, Kyle Wright hotline.
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