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00:00If it's Jeremiah Love and Quinshawn Judkins, Judkins is playing the role of Hunt in that
00:04regard, and, well, it's a little bit different, because the player comps are just way off
00:09on them.
00:09I was going to say, yeah, it's not...
00:10I meant more like the Robin type than the Batman, you have to look at it more of that
00:13perspective, like, Jeremiah Love is going to be the better player of the two, they're
00:20just way different stylistically, because, like, Jeremiah Love is the number one in this
00:24equation, where Nick Chubb would be the number one, obviously, in the Chubb and Hunt thing,
00:27but Jeremiah Love is like a screen pass god, and can catch all sorts of passes in a way
00:32that Nick Chubb didn't, meanwhile, Nick Chubb is one of the most dynamic runners I've ever
00:36seen.
00:36It's kind of funny, because last year, I kept talking about how Quinshawn Judkins, the way
00:41he ran the football, reminded me of Kareem Hunt, that was one of my go-to takes, was he
00:45just runs with such a physical, like, I-want-to-kill-you authority, that I love that about him, but
00:52you're
00:53right, he doesn't have necessarily the pass-catching ability that Jeremiah Love does, so the skill
01:00set-wise in all this, I think Love probably fits a little more of, like, what Hunt would
01:04do, and, you know, but it doesn't even matter if we have to, like, do, like, a player-for-player
01:11comparison for them, the idea of those two in the backfield and, like, what it could bring
01:15to the table is kind of enticing.
01:16I've been saying this for the last week or so, when this first kind of popped up, because
01:20I have Lance on the podcast that I do, and he brought up on that platform the same way
01:27he brought up here, and I think that's what really spurned the conversation, the idea that
01:31if Jeremiah Love is there at six, I'm taking him, because I'm taking best player available.
01:35I think there's a couple things, by the way, and I'll let you finish the thought, but I
01:38think there's a couple reasons why.
01:39Coach Riz, obviously, we'll give him his credit, but, like, the draft community has come around
01:44to Jeremiah Love in a way that they just didn't before.
01:46Like, now he's legitimately being comped, not only as better than Gentee, but, like, the
01:51best running back prospect since Saquon Barkley.
01:54Yeah, and he's easily, when you talk about the top prospects in this draft, like, he's
01:58being said he's top two.
02:00Like, that's how good he's considered.
02:03But, yeah, I'm at a point where if the pick was Jeremiah Love, I wouldn't be mad about
02:11it.
02:12It would be a little confusing because he just drafted two running backs last year, but
02:17I would understand the idea of, you're getting this dynamic weapon, why not?
02:22And it's the same way I feel about if they took any of these guys in the top six that
02:26would be considered best player available at that time.
02:28I understand the thought process of building a team that way.
02:31It just is a little clunky because of what they did last year.
02:34The state of the roster running back is certainly not.
02:36That's very low on the list of needs, if at all, that this team has.
02:41I prefer they do other things, but I also would understand it.
02:45And the idea of Jeremiah Love is definitely intriguing.
02:47I think his pass-catching abilities takes it to a different level for me.
02:50If he was just a pure running back, maybe I'd have a different part of this conversation.
02:53But I think he helps out the offense in so many different ways.
02:56And we need pass-catchers.
02:58We do.
02:58And so he kind of, he satisfies that.
03:00He can make plays, honestly.
03:01Yeah, and I just feel like, you know, there was such a part of me that was so against anything
03:05that was, it needed to be wide receiver or offensive lineman, and that was it.
03:09And as we've evolved within this conversation, my thoughts have evolved as well.
03:13And I just, I look at this and where this draft is and where they seem like they're headed,
03:18which I think is way different than I thought a couple months ago, too.
03:21And I just don't, I don't think it's an awful idea.
03:23So would you be, in the vein of talking about this, would you be open to...
03:28I'm open to a lot, I told you.
03:29Ty Simpson's the only thing that pisses me off.
03:31So yeah, like even one of these defensive players.
03:33Yeah, I'm open to just about anything.
03:34I was offense only, and that's it.
03:36And then, and defensive guys just screw it.
03:40But like, I've changed on that.
03:42And what's weird about it is that normally you'd think, well, Jonathan, you're right.
03:46Look at all the drafts.
03:47Look at all the mocks.
03:48They're all going to what you said.
03:49Offensive lineman, wide receiver.
03:51But it's different to me now.
03:52Now, I used to think, when we were first talking about this,
03:55that they were trying to win games in 2026.
03:57And they were trying to be competitive.
03:59Really, all things considered, in 2026.
04:01And maybe I was a little desperate to give Shador the best chance to succeed as well.
04:05I don't think they're doing that.
04:07I'm not convinced of it.
04:08I'm convinced they're playing for 2027.
04:10And if you're playing for 2027, then yes, you can take a defensive player in the draft at six overall.
04:15You can.
04:16It's just, that's your reality.
04:17I'll say this, though.
04:18It's not what I prefer, but it's what you can do.
04:20Right.
04:21The Jeremiah Love conversation, though, is another reason why I'm very much team trade back.
04:25And to be honest with you, I have some doubts now, after being in Phoenix and everything,
04:31about the potential of a team to trade up just because of what we heard about this draft.
04:35What did Phoenix do to all of you guys?
04:37All these beat reporters.
04:38You guys all went out there.
04:39And now you guys are a little apprehensive when it comes to little things like this.
04:42It's more so like, I wonder if the market will materialize.
04:46And it's funny because the players that we're talking about at the top of the board, they're either positions that
04:51are deep in this draft, like edge rushers, if somebody were to fall, where you maybe don't even have to
04:55trade up to get a guy because, hey, you can still get a good one at 15, 16.
05:00Like, there's going to be a lot of those guys that are taken, edge guys, because it's a deep group.
05:05And same thing with, like, wide receiver, where it's like, does somebody really want Carnell Tate that bad?
05:09Again, I've already been on the record saying, I think this receiver class behind Carnell Tate isn't so far.
05:15There's not, like, a big gap there that you can wait.
05:17So, but what's interesting is I think if the market is going to materialize, we've also just heard in general
05:23this isn't a very good draft.
05:24There's also not quarterbacks that teams would be willing to trade up for.
05:27I think all these factors may be sort of apprehensive to the idea that maybe it actually, a market starts
05:32to sort of form here to trade for the Browns to trade back.
05:34But if they're going to have an opportunity to, I think somebody like Jeremiah Love has to fall, which is
05:40also funny to say because running back isn't a premium position.
05:43It's considered, like, downgraded in a lot of ways, but I think he's the one guy because, like you said,
05:48how everyone started talking about him since the Combine over the last month or so,
05:53consensusly a top two player in this draft, a clear blue chipper, the comps to he's as good as Saquon
05:58Barkley or the best running back since Saquon Barkley, all those things,
06:02those are the exact types of conversations that means there's a team out there that just will fall in love
06:09with Jeremiah Love and say,
06:11I have to have him, I have to trade up and get him, and so it's almost like if you're
06:16a Browns fan that wants the team to trade back,
06:18you almost want Jeremiah Love to fall to you at six because it might be the perfect player for a
06:22team to actually come up and get him.
06:23Oh, yeah, I'm starting to get to the point where I don't think he's going to even be there.
06:26Like, you know, for the longest time, you just think to yourself running back, they'll be there at six.
06:32Okay, fine, it is what it is, but it's not really been, we just don't see as many running backs
06:38go top six relative to what we typically do.
06:42And then that string, Mac and I talked about that string the other day.
06:45There was like three straight years with top five picks being taken with running backs, but it was since Saquon.
06:50Saquon went third overall, and then we've had one since as far as top six is concerned, and that's Ashton
06:57Gentry.
06:57So that is two in a matter of eight years, all things considered, 2018 draft to 2026, and that's including
07:04the guy in the 2018 draft.
07:06So like, it's just, we don't see it as often, but it seems like it's going to be reality here.
07:09It does, and I don't know, maybe Jameer Gibbs did a lot for that, maybe B. John Robinson did a
07:14lot for that.
07:14There's a lot of people that have been working with really high draft picks that have been able to bring
07:18back the value for running backs,
07:19but the value seems to exist for the top tier guys.
07:21I also think part of this, too, is there's kind of this renaissance of the NFL right now where teams
07:25are kind of migrating back to running the football more,
07:28and the run game's kind of making resurgence, because think about it, all these teams built defenses that were built
07:34to defend the pass.
07:35It was, oh, we need linebackers that are kind of, they're athletic, but they're leaner, and they have to be
07:40able to cover in the slot,
07:41but we need safeties that can come down in the box that are a little bit, you know, not necessarily
07:45built guys who can play and make these big tackles.
07:48Well, now teams are realizing, like, oh, there's these guys in the box that we can just run right over.
07:54Like, let's just run the football again.
07:55So I do think, to your point, guys like Jameer Gibbs, guys like Saquon having the season he had as
08:00the Eagles go win a Super Bowl,
08:02even to a degree like Kenneth Walker in the season he had last year and what he did with the
08:07Seahawks offense with the quarterback
08:08that I think certainly has proven he was probably better than what he was with the Jets and revived his
08:14career.
08:14But nobody thinks Sam Darnold necessarily, like, carried that team.
08:18He had his moments, but he wasn't, like, the main reason that they won.
08:22I think the running back, to a degree, is making a bit of a comeback, and so that probably helps
08:26the cause, too,
08:26if you're somebody that wants to see the Browns straight back.
08:28Like, Jeremiah Love could be enticing at a place like sixth if he actually survives the top five.
08:32All right, random, but I have to ask you.
08:35You were in Arizona.
08:36You did everything at the owners' meetings.
08:38With the coaches' breakfast, did they actually serve you guys breakfast?
08:41There was breakfast there, yes.
08:42Did you get to eat breakfast?
08:43I did.
08:44It was usually, like, they have, like, a buffet line, so I usually, like, both days, I went into the
08:48interviews first.
08:49It's not a joke.
08:50You guys have to actually sit down and, like, do breakfast.
08:52You don't eat it at the table with the coach, but you eat breakfast afterwards.
08:54That's where they miss me.
08:55I mean, you could.
08:56Why is the coach not sitting down and maybe breaking some bread and having some strudel with you guys?
09:00But in truth, though, like, why is that not happening?
09:03It's a small round table.
09:04We all think about it.
09:05Like, all the equipment that we bring.
09:06Couldn't you all have your food, though?
09:06Some people have their laptops.
09:07Some people have, like, their microphones.
09:09Like, there was no room for plates on that table.
09:10I see you, like, going to the omelet station and then getting an omelet and bringing it on over.
09:14And then all of a sudden, like, Munkin should have to eat breakfast with you guys.
09:18If it's the coach's breakfast, he should have to, like, have his cocoa puffs.
09:22I don't even know if he ate breakfast.
09:22He left right after.
09:23He was like, I got to go to this meeting thing that we have.
09:25And he was, like, up and going.
09:26I don't even know if he stopped for the food.
09:27He can fake it for all I care.
09:29But get, like, a banana out there and an orange.
09:31Actually, he shouldn't have faked it because there was the day of Munkin's breakfast, there was a waffle that they
09:39had.
09:40They were, like, these mini waffles.
09:41Not mini, but they were, like, smaller waffles.
09:43And I don't know what was in it.
09:44It had, like, a crunch to it.
09:46Oh, one of the best waffles I've ever had in my life.
09:49It was great.
09:50This is at the coach's breakfast?
09:51Tom Munkin might have missed it.
09:52I don't know.
09:53Where'd you eat this breakfast at?
09:55Just like he missed the coach's photo.
09:56Did you eat it at, like, a separate table or anything like this?
09:59Or was this, like, this whole...
10:00It was, like, apple...
10:00No, so, it was, like, there was a room...
10:01They have all these tables with all these coaches sitting down at these tables.
10:04You had to, like, go to a separate area to then eat for the coach's breakfast?
10:07There was a room with...
10:09It's a different room?
10:10No, no, no, no, no.
10:10There was a...
10:11Yes, well, I ate a different room.
10:12You're not even eating breakfast in the same room?
10:13There was a room for the coaches sitting down at the tables.
10:16And then there was a room that was, like, the media workroom.
10:19And that's where I ate my breakfast.
10:20It was in the media workroom.
10:21So, no, I didn't tend to eat it with Tom Munkin.
10:23So, your coach's breakfast was sitting in the media room.
10:25Is DeLotter just home, by the way?
10:25He did.
10:26He did.
10:26Yes, he did.
10:27Yeah, Guardians have the lead.
10:28We'll talk about that as soon as that game ends.
10:30We've got a couple more innings left on that one.
10:31Didn't he say early in the show that, like, the one thing that would, like, really tip
10:34the scales of opening day would be if DeLotter, like, just hit a home or two?
10:37Like, he's fueling this entire start of the season.
10:40Back, someone doesn't want to talk coach's breakfast anymore.
10:42No, it's not.
10:43It changes the subject of not being able to share a waffle with Coach Munkin.
10:46What's up with Munkin not eating breakfast at the coach's breakfast?
10:49What's up with Munkin missing the photo for a haircut?
10:51What a sham.
10:52What a whole...
10:53I should be able to ask him to pass a syrup.
10:55I should.
10:56You know what?
10:56You should, though.
10:57Like, isn't that the spirit of the coach's breakfast is everyone's breaking bread together?
11:00You wanted me to be able to come home and say, I had Tom Munkin poured syrup on my plate.
11:05I thought you guys all sat around and ate breakfast together.
11:07I asked him about Shador Sanders, and I also asked him to pass a syrup.
11:11I didn't know if there was, like, a, you know, Mary Kay gets to sit directly next to Munkin,
11:15and then Zach Jackson, if there's, like, a hierarchy of who gets closest to Munkin,
11:19any of that type of stuff.
11:20But, no, you guys eat in a different room, apparently.
11:23So, it's very upsetting to me.
11:24I wasn't complaining about the free breakfast.
11:25That's all I know.
11:27Coach, what'd you think of the hash browns?
11:28I'm happy to know that they at least serve breakfast, though.
11:30Yeah, that's true.
11:31Because at least if we're, you know, at least there's a real chance they don't even give you breakfast.
11:37If it was BYOB, bring your own breakfast, it would be, like, really just sad.
11:40Did you go to the NFC breakfast, too?
11:42I did, but I...
11:43Did you say hi to Stefanski?
11:45So, I actually, I listened to a little bit of Stefanski, but I was also trying to listen to Harbaugh.
11:49Hi, Spencer.
11:50Nice to see you again.
11:50That's my impression of Stefanski.
11:52He did say hi to me afterwards.
11:54There was one reporter...
11:56Nailed it.
11:56Perfect.
11:57There was one reporter who sat at Stefanski the entire time...
12:00Oh, hi, Spencer.
12:01...and asked, like, eight questions, and Stefanski dodged every single one.
12:06So, you went over there for, like, a reminder of what a good time Stefanski is?
12:09Well, that's why I didn't spend most of my time with Stefanski.
12:11I was just like, yeah, I'll catch a few answers, but...
12:13Is everyone on the beat, or you guys just kind of like, we just want to be as far away
12:16from that as we possibly can,
12:17because we did six years of it?
12:18He doesn't even know, but, yeah, a lot of us were like, is it worth going to Stefanski in the
12:21morning?
12:21And most of us were like, eh.
12:24We know what he's going to say.
12:25You know what he's going to say.
12:25We're going to ask him...
12:27So, again, there was one reporter who was hung out over there and asked all Browns questions,
12:30and one of the questions he got asked was, who's going to win?
12:33Should Orr Sanders or Deshaun Watson in a quarterback battle?
12:36And Stefanski just kind of smiled and said, I'm not going there.
12:38That was his answer.
12:39We're working through all of our options.
12:43I would have been like, pass the hash Browns, coach.
12:44Let's get this thing going.
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