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00:00When it comes to Shador Sanders, I don't know that you'd find a better opportunity right now
00:04that exists in the NFL. Because what is better? Them just straight up giving them the job? Is
00:08that the idea? You're not having that right now if it's Geno Smith and the Jets. Geno is
00:13going to have the advantage there. You wouldn't have it, I guess, maybe in Arizona. But even that
00:18would be a quarterback competition. I'm trying to think of the spot. You're certainly not having
00:22it in Miami where they just paid Malik Willis all this money. Is there a better spot in the NFL
00:27for Shador Sanders than right now with the Browns? For me, I'm going to start this upcoming
00:32season and have an opportunity to start. Now, Spencer, we can debate whether or not this
00:36is setting him up for success, and that'll be part of this discussion. But I do think
00:40in giving him a chance to start next year, the Browns do offer him the best chance.
00:45Yeah, I don't know off the top of my head, I can think of anybody else where it's like
00:49a true competition. I mean, you mentioned the Cardinals. Who are they starting? I don't
00:55even know. The Pastronaut, Jacoby Brissett? Although, I guess there's people who think
01:00they could take Ty Simpson and maybe they just start Ty Simpson. Maybe they do, but think
01:04about it. They believed him so much last year that they started him over Kyler Murray at
01:08the end of the stretch. Not even the end of the stretch. It was like the final 11 games
01:12last year. Yeah, and that was when all the rumors were going on that they were moving off
01:14from Kyler. So yeah, I mean, it certainly feels that way. He truly has an opportunity to
01:19like be here, earn the job. And this all kind of probably goes back to why Jacoby's the incumbent
01:24is more the point there. Yeah, this all probably goes back to why Shador was saying no to teams
01:30in the draft process last year for better or for worse, I guess, and saying he didn't
01:34want to go to Baltimore because he didn't want to sit behind somebody. He didn't want to go
01:37to the Eagles because he didn't want to sit behind somebody. And so now he does. He ends
01:43up in Cleveland where it's the one place that is unique enough where they don't have anything
01:48in any answers at that position. So he's going to get like a true shake at this. And last
01:52year probably didn't get as true of a shake as he probably would have liked it to start
01:55out. But it feels like Todd Munkin is kind of like no BSing his way through this. He's
02:00like, nope, we're going to divvy up the reps certain days. Guys are going to get more.
02:04That's how it's going to be. And it feels like Shador does kind of have like a lead in
02:07that way, because how could we possibly know anything that Deshaun Watson is going to
02:10do? All right, here is Dominic Foxworth on Get Up on ESPN talking about this.
02:14With an offensive minded head coach who says that he believes in you and
02:18a good defense to support you like this isn't the worst situation in the league for a quarterback
02:23like you mentioned. I think we all know his name and suspected that he would have been
02:26a first or second round pick last year. But given where he ended up, like this is the
02:30best chance that you're going to get probably in his career at a chance at establishing
02:35himself as a starter. And it's a real opportunity where I suspect he's going to get the majority
02:38of the offseason reps and be the day one starter.
02:41Yeah, but if you're Shador, you're probably not happy hearing that, but that's probably your
02:44truth. And you know, it's not a bad idea or the thought that if you are the starting
02:49quarterback this upcoming season, and I maintain that I think he will be. I've thought that
02:53from day one. I don't have any reason to think anything otherwise. I don't think Deshaun
02:57Watson is going to win that battle. And if they do give it to Deshaun, I'll have the tinfoil
03:01hats on. We go back to your conspiracy theory rankings. I'll be just as much as I was.
03:05Number one on your list? Number one on my list. Last year, number one on my list was
03:09this whole Dylan Gabriel's better at quarterback than Shador Sanders nonsense. And I was right
03:15about that. This year would be the same exact thing. So I think Shador is going to win that
03:19job. And as far as maintaining and being the starting quarterback, I tell Shador the same
03:24thing I told him last year when he was about to win the job to actually get a chance to
03:28start.
03:29All right, balls in your court now. Like this is your chance. You waited this entire time.
03:33This is your chance. Now it's up to you. See, what's funny though is as from an opportunity
03:40standpoint, like, yes, there's no other team that he could be on where he would legitimately
03:44be getting a chance to potentially start for a team. But what's funny is Shador's staunchest
03:51supporters would look at this situation and say, that's a stupid take. How could you say
03:56this is the best opportunity for him? Look around him and what does he have? And, and, and,
04:00and you know, by the way, that if it doesn't work out for Shador, that's going to be the
04:03same thing that a lot of those people say about it is going to be like, he didn't really get
04:07a fair shake in Cleveland. He had no receivers and he had no offensive line. And the coach
04:10was a buffoon. They're going to blame the Browns in a hole though. They're going to blame the
04:14Browns from the beginning part of this, which I think is very, very fair in this discussion.
04:19I need to talk about from right now. And from right now, he's already dug himself into a hole.
04:24It's not his fault. I don't believe it's his fault. The idea that you had one of the worst
04:27offensive lines in the sport, you have no wide receivers. You have nothing to work
04:30with. I don't blame you for that, Shador. But right now, the way the NFL looks at you,
04:35you've dug yourself in a hole. You got to get out of that hole. And the only way to get
04:38out
04:38of that is actually play good football for the Browns this upcoming season.
04:42Is there a case we made that the best place for Shador actually would have been though
04:45somewhere where he could sit? Like the places that he was saying no to.
04:48If it started off in Baltimore, let's say last year.
04:50Like if, if, if, if Tom Monk, who says they had him interested in him, like, so I get what
04:55we're saying. Right now he has this chance and it's like, you're either going to, you're either
04:59going to make it or you're going to get chewed up and spit out. And we're going to all realize
05:03like maybe he was just never going to be a good NFL quarterback. And yeah, I mean, he might get
05:06an opportunity somewhere else, but he's probably going to be a backup somewhere else. If he doesn't,
05:09if he can't make it as a starter. So like, that's what his future kind of, that's, what's kind of
05:13at stake for him this year is like, can you be a starter? Is it going to be here in
05:17Cleveland?
05:18Or could you end up somewhere else as a backup is kind of, I think what it feels like he's
05:21playing
05:21for this year. Okay. So there's a difference. Is it better? Had it, would have actually been
05:25better for him to enter this league somewhere where he could have just said, I'll explain.
05:29I think 99% of people listening will agree with the idea that it'd be better to be a backup
05:33quarterback somewhere else for one reason and one reason only it's because you'd kept that air of
05:38mystery around yourself. You're people love mystery boxes. People love what they don't know.
05:42What's behind door B. I don't care. I want to see what's by, they love that. That's part of
05:47their deal. Right. That's why we're talking about Ty Simpson, but yeah, and it's insane to me,
05:52but it's true. That's exactly why. Cause you don't know, you don't know what he is at the next
05:55level. It's a mystery, right? I would contend though for myself, and this is where I lose
06:00everyone listening in this discussion. Okay. But this is just how I feel. And this is how I look
06:04at it. I still look at your Sanders as that mystery box. I still look at him as that unknown.
06:09I still look at him as the, I don't know what he really can be at this level because what
06:13he was last
06:14year wasn't a fair shake that there's no way for me to say last year was a good look at
06:19it.
06:19So I look at him the same way as if he was a backup quarterback the entire time. And we'd
06:23never seen
06:23him play when you have that bad of an offensive line, that battle wide receivers. I think about
06:28it like Ashton Gentry, for instance, in, in Las Vegas, have you ever heard anyone, anyone this
06:33off season come out and say, I just don't think Ashton Gentry is it. You haven't heard a single
06:37person say that. Why? Because his offensive line was trash. It wasn't, it wasn't a fair look at
06:42Ashton Gentry. And I wondered the entire time, why does it, why does one thing apply to Ashton
06:47Gentry, but doesn't apply to Shador Sanders? Shouldn't they apply equally? And so like for
06:51myself, I look at Shador almost in this backup as role to begin with, if, if he just redshirted
06:58last year, because he's just a, he's just a ball of unknown to me right now.
07:01I don't know if I would say we know nothing about him. Like he's still like, to me, there
07:05is the, the, there's not as there, there's some mystery in there in that. Yes. What
07:11does it look like with a better receiving core? What does it look like with a better
07:15offensive line? I do think we learned some things about Shador, how he plays his playing
07:19style, what he can and can't do. Cause there's still aspects of his game that you can evaluate
07:23when he's sitting there and like, Oh, there's a guy in the middle that he missed here, whatever.
07:27Like, so there's certain, I'm not, I'm not pointing to a specific example in that. I'm
07:30just like saying in the example of like, you can point to things and say that was truly
07:34known with certain is that, uh, if you give him absolutely nothing, like just absolutely
07:39nothing at all to work with, he's not going to be able to overcome that. And there were
07:42still some moments where he did try to overcome that. He had some of those, those shots down
07:47field. Like he made some big plays. Like I'm not saying there's nothing there. And
07:50even, even within that, that conversation, it's like, hold on. Like I'm not going to
07:54bring wind loss in the equation, but he still went three and four as a starter in that stretch.
07:57And with absolutely nothing, he was still able to showcase some things, some qualities,
08:02but like, yeah, but like that's, if you're trying to lean towards, towards something you
08:06can take away, uh, as a rookie quarterback, it's insane to think anybody can do it with
08:10nothing on that roster, but that's what we learned for 99.9% of quarterbacks. That's
08:17going to be true anyway, though. Yeah. I think we learned that there's certainly some
08:19talent there. And because of that, it's worth seeing it through, which is where I'm at
08:24with this. Like, let's see what he brings to the table this year before we make any definitive
08:27decisions about his future and the future of the quarterback position. But yeah, like,
08:32I don't know if I'm as, as, as I, if I am as, um, attached to the idea as you,
08:40that it's
08:40still a big ball of mystery. I think we've learned something more unknown than known to
08:43me right now when it comes to like what I can confidently say, I know about his game.
08:47I do think there's still a lot we get to uncover or discover with him this season, assuming
08:52that he gets to start first and is the guy that they sort of pass the torch.
08:56Like if he doesn't get it, if he doesn't get a start, uh, this year, like let's say
08:59Deshaun Watson wins the job somehow. And for some unknown reason to myself, he is all of
09:03a sudden great at football again. And we don't see Jador Sanders this upcoming season at
09:07all. I will think to myself, well, he never got a real, he never got a real opportunity.
09:13He, I don't, I don't know what he could actually be because the Browns never gave him a real
09:17chance. He never gave him a real shot.
09:18But on the, on the flip side of that though, if, if this is a second coach that was deciding,
09:26well, Hey, we think this person's better. We're going to start him.
09:28I don't know if he's second coach. I think it'd be more about one owner.
09:33I get that, but I don't know. Like I all, everybody is saying that Todd Monk gets to
09:37make the decision and I don't believe him.
09:39That's that's a different take then. Cause I, I, I don't believe him.
09:42I think Todd, given what, did you see what Todd said?
09:45Jimmy Haslam told you last year, two rookie quarterbacks were going to play. How many
09:48rookie quarterbacks played? I I've watched this game too much. And it's nice to think
09:52that Todd Munkin's got some say in it. I think it's, I think it's almost adorable that they're
09:55passing this off as like, Oh, Todd Munkin, you get a chance to call out who the quarterback
10:00is. I don't believe him. Did you see, I just don't believe, did you see Todd Munkin's answer
10:04when he was asked? I think it was a New York reporter who asked him about, you know, the
10:09Giants job and he was like looking at it or whatever. And he, he flat out mentioned like,
10:15yeah, I was already watching Jackson dart tape. I was thinking that's probably where
10:19I was going to end up. And then the Browns kind of came around and I even had to sort
10:22of square some things away with Cleveland before I just signed on the dotted line.
10:27I think, I mean, this wasn't a hard thing to put together though. He got a chance at 60
10:31years old to be a head coach. I'm not saying that Todd Munkin came in guns a blazing, like
10:35demanding all sorts of power. But I think he at least wanted to know, like I get say in certain
10:40things, including choosing the quarterback, I believe when he says he gets to choose,
10:43he gets to choose. And so from that standpoint, if he chooses somebody else, I do think that
10:48we have to take it some level. This is the second coach who said, I think other guys are
10:52better. If the Browns told him, Hey, listen, we don't even want you to choose what color
10:58Gatorade is in the, is in the coolers on the side. I think he would have been like, all
11:02right, that's it. If that's what it takes to be a head coach. Sure. That's what it takes
11:05to be a head coach. All right. If that's, if that's what that is, I just, I just don't
11:09buy sorts of smoke around the idea that like shield house was getting told. I don't know if
11:13you want this job. Uh, Udinski was getting to it. I don't know that you want this job
11:17that Tom Munkin kind of had to think about it. I believe the idea that shield house and
11:23Udinski got scared away by the idea that the one chance they've been given or would
11:27have been given to be a head coach is being with Jimmy Haslam, the guy who wants to make
11:32you his own little puppet as the owner. Like, like, like part of the reason why it was so
11:36hard to get anybody to take this job is what we're battling up in this conversation.
11:40The idea that Jimmy Haslam will be able to call the shots at the end of the day and
11:44what he says goes. And, and so I, I like Jimmy as an owner more times than not. I like
11:49the
11:49amount of money that he spends. I like the, uh, the really it's of the money. That's really
11:53the big part of this. I like the amount of money that he spends, but like, I've never been
11:57shy about the idea that when it comes to the shots, he gets to come over the list and
12:01then it wasn't come up with number two. So right back to the money. You know, I love that
12:05he spends money. Number two. It's always about money in the end. That's what it always
12:08comes back. It's a big part for me. He's got the advantage over the Dolans in that
12:12one respect. I'm like, all right, great. You at least spend the money. I wanted to
12:15be like, Oh, he cares, but that just sounds so lame. Everybody cares. Well, he spends
12:19a lot of money on the calves. Good reason. Dolans on the other hand, what owner just
12:24says, ah, bleep it. As an owner, you basically, there's two owners in the NFL. I believe
12:29this really do believe it. There are ones that are trying to win a Superbowl and the
12:32ones that are just telling their fans that they're trying to win a Superbowl. Okay. I
12:35really do believe at my heart of heart. You can put me in a lie detector test. I
12:40believe Jimmy has him trying to win a Superbowl. I think he steps in the way
12:43constantly, but spending more money than any other NFL team in the previous five
12:47years tells me that he's interested in winning a Superbowl more than a lot of
12:50people are. And it's not a, it's not a facade. This isn't fake. I think he
12:54genuinely is trying the hard part for himself as he can't get out of his own way.
12:59And that's where I think the hangup lies one day. We're going to fall into it. It's
13:03going to take you and me a long time. I would imagine maybe sooner than later
13:06one day he's going to fall into it. And when he does, I can't wait to see where
13:10this thing goes, but it's going to take falling into it first.
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