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00:00What's going on, Coach?
00:00What's going on, guys?
00:01What's going on, guys?
00:02How's the Rally House treating you?
00:04Oh, Rally House is treating us, well, better than the weather is for your golf game.
00:07I'll tell you that.
00:08I mean, you know what?
00:09Here's the thing, though.
00:10You get up.
00:10You see the rain.
00:11You plan the day.
00:12You make sure.
00:13I could have squeezed nine in.
00:14It got nice early enough to squeeze nine in and come back and be with you guys.
00:18Disappointing.
00:19Disappointing in Mother Nature today, for sure.
00:21Wait, you didn't go out and do the nine?
00:23No, I didn't get the nine in.
00:24No, I didn't.
00:25Oh, that's a bad job.
00:26That's a bad job out of you, Coach.
00:27Coach, I was not flexible in my plans, and I'm disappointed in myself and Mother Nature
00:33right now.
00:33I'll be honest with you.
00:35What a life motto I live by, Jake, is when given the chance to golf, do it.
00:39Always do it.
00:40There's no question.
00:41That's a great motto.
00:42Just don't even think about it.
00:44Just always say yes and do it.
00:45Don't always say yes to everything in life.
00:47That'll get you in trouble.
00:48But when it comes to golf, always say yes, Coach.
00:51Always say yes.
00:52No question about it.
00:53I don't know if you know this or not.
00:55I have not texted you and told you that I have changed my stance on the number six
00:59overall pick.
01:00You have not.
01:01Let me hear it.
01:03All right.
01:03So here's the new deal.
01:04I was the one that initially told you, be closed-minded.
01:07Offense is the only thing that matters in this draft.
01:09It's the only thing we need to see out of the Browns out of this draft.
01:12And I still agree with the idea that wide receiver, offensive lineman is the very best
01:16thing.
01:16But if they're not going to take 2026 seriously, I was operating under the idea that we were trying
01:21to give Shador Sanders the best chance to succeed in 2026.
01:24I no longer believe, after free agency and everything else, that they're doing that with
01:282026.
01:29I think they're focused in on 2027.
01:31I don't think they're as interested in 2026.
01:34And so if they're not going to take it seriously that way, then I'm not going to take it seriously
01:38either.
01:40If you have a chance at six overall to go for one of your game changers, as you call it,
01:45well, the need to fill up the wide receivers or the offensive line doesn't exist if you're
01:49not trying to win games in 2026.
01:51So do whatever the hell you want.
01:52If you want to take a really good impact player, whether that's Jeremiah Love, whether that
01:57is one of the defensive players like Caleb Downs that you're talking about, I will not
02:02hammer them because the BPA, the best player available, if you're not playing for 2026,
02:09is honestly the right move at this point.
02:12Well, you're kind of on my side there.
02:14And then you preface it with they're not trying to win in 2026.
02:17So I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you like half, half credit for that.
02:20No, I'm not convinced of the coach.
02:23Here's what, here's what I think.
02:24I just think if you go into this draft, any draft and you take, you know, I've talked about
02:29Jeremiah Love a ton and what the offense needs.
02:32And I like what Todd Munkin said a number of weeks ago when he talked about, it's not
02:36really a scheme.
02:37It's about scoring points.
02:38And that tells you that he's going to try to attack defenses differently.
02:41Now I heard a bunch of people talk about, you have Judkins, you have Samson.
02:44That's great.
02:45Those aren't touch guys.
02:46Those are, Samson's a touch guy.
02:48He's a third down guy.
02:49He's undersized.
02:49He could be a very solid third down back.
02:52Judkins is a dot the I back, old school, pound between the tackles.
02:56He takes, he's a violent runner who is a four to seven yard guy who's going to break the
03:02big one for you occasionally.
03:03What you get in a Jeremiah Love is you get a guy who, when he touches it, the other 10
03:07guys
03:08don't have to be perfect.
03:09And that's what the Browns don't have right now.
03:11So when you talk about, if Jeremiah Love's there, I'm running up to the thing.
03:14Caleb Downs, another guy, I'm running up to the thing.
03:16You can never go wrong with stacking really good players.
03:18Those really good players will figure out ways to create field position.
03:23They'll figure out ways to help create points.
03:25Not filling holes, game changers, dudes.
03:28Dudes change games.
03:29And, you know, I think if you're at, if you're in that top six, there's six guys that for me
03:33can go out and do that.
03:35So then coach, if we're talking to Jeremiah Love in this instance, like,
03:39I like the player.
03:40I think he's incredible.
03:41And I have come around more onto the idea of him at six.
03:44But the problem I consistently have is you take two of probably your three best offensive
03:48players and almost never have them on the field together.
03:52Is that the way that you look at Jeremiah Love?
03:55Or do you think there's a way to have him and Quinn Shun out there a lot more together
03:58than maybe what is in the initial thought process?
04:01That's a great question.
04:02And here's how, here's the answer to that.
04:04Absolutely.
04:04Because Munkin does not think of, I hope he doesn't, you don't think of a player's over
04:09place coach, not a system guy.
04:10Munkin's a guy who's going to find matchups.
04:12Jeremiah Love doesn't have a position.
04:14Jeremiah Love is a touch guy.
04:16He is a guy, a space guy.
04:17He's a guy that's trying.
04:18They're going to figure out ways.
04:19So how can you do that?
04:20Well, if you get man coverage, you can put him in the backfield.
04:23That means if you motion him out, you're going to get him on a safety or linebacker.
04:26Or he's still good enough to run inside if necessary.
04:29So you still have to stay on it defensively.
04:31I don't like the word slot, but if you put him inside, if you put him inside, now you
04:35can work the slot.
04:37He can run all the routes from the slot.
04:38I've seen him do it.
04:39He has incredible ball control.
04:42He has incredible spatial awareness.
04:44He can run all those routes.
04:45And he's going to be inside.
04:46Hitch routes, option routes, RPOs.
04:50And then if you get a soft zone team, you can put him on the outside.
04:53And you can run hitches and you can run slants.
04:55It's simple touch routes, we used to call those.
04:57So you can do so much with him.
04:59And what you're going to do with a guy like Jeremiah Love is you're going to reduce the
05:02box.
05:03You're going to have six to block, not seven or eight.
05:05So a guy like that, even though he's a tailback by trade, he's really not.
05:10He's just a guy.
05:10He's a weapon.
05:11And weapons are important.
05:13Weapons win games.
05:14So on the top of Munkin's sheet, if they draft Jeremiah Love, he's going to have touches
05:19from a bunch of different places, depending on what they see defensively, because that's
05:23what Munkin does really well.
05:25So I think it's a no-brainer if he's there, because I think he makes everybody else better
05:29by simply when he touches it, he can score.
05:31And that's a big pain in the butt for a defensive coordinator.
05:34Todd Munkin told the media that he's just not watching that much old Deshaun Watson tape.
05:40I'm interested from your perspective, for someone that loves the tape, loves grinding
05:43the tape, how much do you feel like Todd should pay attention to what has already happened
05:47in a Browns uniform with Deshaun Watson versus what he believes could happen in the future?
05:53Well, I would say I'm with you on the injury part of Deshaun, JP.
05:56I think it's going to be hard for him right now at his point of his career.
05:59Can he stay healthy?
06:00I think, you know, some of his play, he's only played 19, but the real root of his playing
06:05poorly has been his injuries.
06:07The second part of it, and he's had his part in it too, is that they haven't been able
06:11to kind of match up what his skill set is with the offensive coordinator, whoever it
06:15was.
06:15And then your head coach, who's really good, a pretty solid offense coordinator, he now
06:18is running an offense when Dorsey got here that he doesn't know how to fix.
06:23So there's a lot of factors that went into that.
06:25You lost Nick Chubb.
06:26Your run game depleted.
06:28Your receiver core is not very good.
06:30And his play wasn't great.
06:32But I think, you know, us coaches, we're very egotistical.
06:35We think we can fix those things.
06:36So everything that's happened to him before, they don't care.
06:39They don't care that he's only played 19 games.
06:41I hope they don't care that, you know, he's making $46 million or whatever it is.
06:46I'm just saying, you know, we're going to play the best guy.
06:48Whoever is the best guy in camp, that means they have to increase the intensity at practice
06:52so these guys can get live bullets and see who's doing what.
06:55You know, we won't be there when they do install.
06:58And, you know, can they get their offense into the right play?
07:02Can they get in and out of the huddle?
07:03Can they kill plays, make two long play calls in the huddle?
07:05Those are all going to be all new because it's a new offense.
07:08So in Garza Watson, my thought has always been everything that everybody said is absolutely
07:14true.
07:14That absolutely means nothing to Todd Munkin when they start getting on the field.
07:18It's going to be, I'm 60 years old.
07:20I've been waiting a long time to do this.
07:21I'm really confident who I am.
07:23I'm playing the best guy.
07:24At least that's what I hope it is.
07:27So we've seen those kind of a split.
07:29You know, we heard Jimmy Haslam, Andrew Barry say some positive things about Deshaun, Todd
07:33Munkin, maybe push back on those a little bit and talk a little bit about Shador.
07:37We always talk about it, even on Tuesdays with Daryl, right?
07:40He's going to look great during practice because he always looks great during practice.
07:44How do you differentiate that as a coach, watching him perform well in practice to, hey, that's
07:48going to work on the field.
07:49And I can know that for a fact, he's not just going to be a practice player.
07:53Well, you know, even though it's a long time ago, he's proven at the NFL level that he
07:57can play with live bullets and he can play at a high level in live bullets.
08:00Now, he hasn't done it in a long time.
08:02That's a fair argument.
08:03But the thing you have to do is you have to kind of adjust your practice.
08:06And obviously, quarterbacks can't get hit.
08:08They're the focus of your team.
08:09But you can liven up what you do down in the red zone, blitz pickup, third down and medium,
08:14all those things that we do as coaches.
08:16You can kind of liven that up with everybody else besides the quarterback so he can see
08:20some live action going on in front of him.
08:21That's one thing Kevin really never did is he never created game-type tempo.
08:26It's really hard to do in practice, but you can do it for a little bit.
08:29And at that level, those guys know what they're doing.
08:31They can stay up, but they can still be violent with each other because you have to see the
08:34violence and you have to see the speed.
08:36So I think they will get a good look at who the quarterback can be.
08:40The thing that I liked about Munkin, as everybody's asking him questions, is that he's been with
08:44Georgia and he's been with the Ravens over the last, you know, seven to ten years in that
08:48range, whatever it is.
08:49So he's been around programs and organizations that the questions that he's being asked are
08:54starting to irritate him.
08:55And I love that because they're not ball questions.
08:58They're questions about reps.
08:59They're questions about, for as a coach, you're like, what are we doing here?
09:02And that's what he, that's when they say he's overwhelmed, that's what he's talking about.
09:06It's the fact that, you know, the Browns have been so bad that we're, we're kind of
09:11manufacturing things to talk about because the play hasn't been very good.
09:14And I think his focus is simply, we're going to figure out ways to win week one,
09:18and then we'll move on from there.
09:20We're not worried about development.
09:21We're not worried about any of that stuff right now.
09:23We got to find guys that can make plays and win week one, because I promise you,
09:27if they're winning, no one will care who the quarterback is.
09:30I promise you that.
09:32Yeah, I did disagree with your take on, on the, uh, the team photo or the coach's photo
09:37though, because he's not coach.
09:39He's not the only one that loves football that much.
09:41Like Todd Munkett, that, that cannot be the answer, but like I, there, there is a,
09:44there's a part of me that I see something like that.
09:48And I just think to myself, are you disorganized as a human?
09:51Like, is that all that really is?
09:53Are you just, are you just, you just don't have it all put together?
09:55Is that, is that the answer to that?
09:56Because I, it's a, it's a team, it's a coaching photo.
09:59You have to be there.
10:00I don't know how you're not there in that moment.
10:02Well, I would say this, and the pushback is warranted and I'm okay with that.
10:06But here's, here's a thought process as a guy who's, you know, been around it my whole
10:10life, you know, and the thought process I always have is that I don't know the context of
10:15what happened.
10:15And obviously what I said is, here's what I meant by that is that he's, he's sitting there,
10:19he's doing whatever the urgency to get to a picture for me, those things drive coaches
10:26crazy.
10:26It doesn't mean he doesn't have to be there.
10:28It doesn't mean he's disorganized.
10:29What it means is that there's so much going on.
10:32And I'm hoping that he's bothered by all the nonsense right now and the nonsense of all
10:37the things that all of us are talking about, because for him, it's not football.
10:41And you're right.
10:42All those guys love football, but there are guys like Todd Monk and he is, doesn't care
10:46about the limelight.
10:47He doesn't care about, uh, I'm the head coach of football.
10:50He's doing everything he can to try to win games.
10:52So it was kind of, you know, tongue in cheek, but the idea is it's just not that, that the
10:58outside stuff is really just not important to him.
11:00And that's, I think that's a great thing.
11:02Um, obviously it's a picture, all those kinds of things, but I don't think it speaks to being
11:06unorganized at all.
11:08I think it speaks to, um, I am done with all the nonsense.
11:11Let's start playing ball.
11:12At least that's what I hope.
11:14But the problem I have with that is that in certain jobs in life, the nonsense just comes
11:18with the territory.
11:19And that's like, and I, I used the example yesterday with like this radio job that I
11:23have here.
11:24Uh, one thing, and I knew it cause my mom was in radio.
11:26So I knew it going into it doesn't bother me in the slightest bit, but, uh, I think
11:29listeners out there would be surprised to know how much, how many sales calls I go on and
11:33how many, how many sales meetings I'm on that it's like, and when I'm in those meetings,
11:37all I'm, I am thinking to myself, geez, I'm doing nothing to help myself get ready for
11:40the radio show today and get better at talking sports on the radio.
11:43But I know that's part of the job.
11:44We have to generate money.
11:45I have to make sure I do that.
11:47Like that's part of the gig.
11:48I might hate it, but that's part of the gig coach.
11:51And like, these are the type of things.
11:53What's that?
11:54No, I said, I'm with you.
11:55That's you're absolutely right.
11:56And, uh, guys like you and we, all you guys, you guys make it look easy, but there's a
12:00lot that goes into it.
12:01There's no question.
12:02And, and like, and like coaching a football team, there's a lot of, uh, shaking of hands
12:06and going to community events and going to golf outings that you don't want to be at
12:09and, and doing so many things that you don't do, uh, that really that just to take you away
12:14from studying the tape and studying football.
12:16But like, that is part of the job.
12:19And I just, early on, he's getting an F minus for me in the other parts of the job.
12:23And you just, you can't exist as an NFL head coach and not do those things.
12:27At least when you don't have success, or at least when you haven't had success yet, like
12:31you still got to kiss hands and shake baby or just, sorry, shake hands and kiss babies.
12:35We can do this whatever way we want, guys.
12:37You see, if I hadn't done that sales meeting coach, I would have nailed that.
12:41Here's what, here's what I want to tell you.
12:42And this, this, obviously this is a much lower, uh, lower level at high school, but when I
12:47was an offensive coordinator for 18 years and as an offensive coordinator, you deal with
12:51no nonsense, right?
12:53So as an offensive coordinator, you're not doing any of the nonsense.
12:56And as an offensive coordinator, all of a sudden I had a lot of success and my, and I get
13:01hired
13:01as the head coach.
13:02And then all of a sudden I get hired as a head coach and I'm no longer doing the things
13:06that got me the head coaching job.
13:08And for me, my thought process was, I know I'm a pretty good play caller.
13:12I'm not sure how good of a head coach I am.
13:14And so I think what Todd Munkin is going through right now is that he's been hired to fix this
13:19offense.
13:20He's been hired to create explosive plays.
13:22He's been hired to kind of reign this in as a veteran coach and make it work.
13:27And right now he's not doing a lot of football and everything you said is absolutely right.
13:32And I, there for him, there's absolutely a learning curve that will kind of distinguish how
13:37successful he is and the idea of, you know, you're all of a sudden you're dealing with,
13:42you know, the, the, you know, everybody has no idea the logistics about the Buffalo Bills
13:47coming into practice and how much they have to do with that.
13:49And the, the hotels and all the stuff like you're saying, like the, it's, it's the same
13:53in every present profession if you're trying to do it right.
13:56But that's the hard, for me, I think that's the hard thing for these guys to do is to go,
14:00what got you there.
14:01So he got the offense coordinator job for what the head coaching job for what he did at Georgia,
14:06what he did with the Ravens and Lamar Jackson.
14:08And all of a sudden he gets to the Browns and he's doing a bunch of stuff that didn't get
14:12him
14:12the job.
14:13And it's just, it's a transition that he's going to have to learn quickly.
14:17And obviously we'll all know when we get his level of annoyance and those types of things
14:22when he's, when we get to camp, but you're not wrong there.
14:25You're absolutely right.
14:26I don't give him an F.
14:27I give him an I because there I, for me, there's a learning curve there of trying to delegate
14:31these things.
14:32And, you know, sometimes head coaches want to be in charge of everything.
14:35He maybe doesn't have to do that.
14:37Maybe he says to Ruttenberg, Hey, you handle defensive practice plans.
14:40You know, he's tell a story.
14:41You you're in charge of this.
14:42I'll overlook it, but I'm going to focus on the offense and start delegating some of this
14:46other stuff that some head coaches don't do, especially if they're play callers.
14:51So I think he's got a chance.
14:52I think he just needs some time and that'll decide how successful he is.
14:56But that's where I see him right now.
14:57I see him in this transition.
14:58That's really hard because now the bottom line is JP, he's doing a lot of non-football
15:03stuff right now.
15:04And it's probably making him crazy because I know it made me crazy.
15:07It probably is.
15:08And that's the part I worry about because after 60 years giving this great job and I
15:13don't know that he necessarily was prepared for how much of this was not football, which
15:17I, and I, I, there's a part of me that I, I appreciate it.
15:20Like I respect how much he just seems to love the game and the game itself, but there's
15:24so much that goes into that job that is more than just loving football and doing the football
15:28side of things.
15:29Coach, an I is also lower than an F on the grading scale.
15:32So I'll take that as a win.
15:36And he checks out.
15:36I love it.
15:37All right.
15:40I love it.
15:41Bye, Coach.
15:41Enjoy golf tomorrow.
15:42I love it.
15:43All right.
15:44Thank you, Coach.
15:44It's not intentional.
15:45Absolutely, guys.
15:46Absolutely, guys.
15:47Talk soon.
15:47Okay.
15:48All right.
15:48Bye-bye.
15:49Bye-bye.
15:52Now I feel bad.
15:53Now I was like, should I give him coach a longer runway to respond?
15:56He's like, he, I know he wants to be like an I is for incomplete.
15:58It's incomplete.
15:59I know.
16:00It's just an I asked him to just, I mean, F and then I it's F G H I.
16:04It's how it's how it works.
16:05You ever gotten any of those?
16:06I've never, I've never gotten an H. I've never even gotten an I from being honest about
16:11it, but I guess coach Munkin, there's a first for everything.
16:14You know, I guess I guess a little of you.
16:14I know, but you know, I mean a thing.
16:14I guess I just wondered why.
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