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00:00So you want an apology from everybody after Todd Munkin said this about Miles Garrett not being at voluntary workouts.
00:08As I've said before, this is voluntary for our players to be here.
00:12I think if you asked every coach in the NFL, would they like every player to be there?
00:16That, of course.
00:17I think there's certain parts of what we do from a connection standpoint, you know, that I think is important
00:21to be here.
00:22From a schematic standpoint, from a work standpoint, not so much.
00:25And it is our job to make it to where the guys want to be here.
00:29I mean, not just by the job, but by their development, by the camaraderie, being part of a team.
00:33I mean, hell, I've been part of a team since I've been five years old.
00:35There's nothing like it.
00:36I wouldn't miss it because that's me.
00:38That's how I'm wired.
00:39But it is voluntary.
00:40Miles will be ready.
00:41I'm not worried about Miles.
00:44Okay.
00:45What am I to apologize for?
00:46I think everybody who said the Miles Garrett is not in town that conversation about voluntary camp yesterday or whatever
00:56they're calling it.
00:57I think everybody who said that does owe the station, 92.3, the fan, an apology.
01:03And I think anybody who just poo-pooed it all owes.
01:05Well, they don't owe me an apology.
01:06I poo-pooed it.
01:08We shouldn't have talked about it?
01:10You think it was not worth talking about?
01:12I get annoyed any time we talk about it.
01:13He's very clearly talking about the importance of being at OTAs and how if it were him, he could never
01:19miss it.
01:20Yeah.
01:20Well, Miles is not him.
01:21He's missing it.
01:22It's a tradition that we talk about it every year.
01:23And it's also a tradition I get extremely annoyed every year.
01:27And I'm very annoyed right now.
01:28Is he annoyed?
01:31Well, this is his first time.
01:33Well, technically his second because he was there in 2019.
01:35But he was the offensive coordinator.
01:36They weren't asking him about that then.
01:37So, this is technically his first time into all this.
01:41So, maybe he'll be annoyed next year or the year after that.
01:44This ain't my first rodeo.
01:45So, yeah, I'm annoyed.
01:46If he's the head coach for nine years and Miles is still here, I'm sure he'll be annoyed.
01:50So, I guess it is either you think there's a value of these things or you don't.
01:54He clearly is stating there.
01:56He thinks there's a value.
01:57There is a value, but there's not a value to everybody out of it.
02:00You know, I kind of went nuts about this on social media yesterday.
02:03I don't want to take everything into social media.
02:05I know we just had a great big knockdown drag out at the beginning of the show.
02:08Which you can go back and listen to on the free Odyssey app with the rewind feature.
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02:17Mary Kay Cabot at 820 this morning.
02:18We will ask her this question.
02:20But, no, my stance is still the same as it was yesterday.
02:23The same as it was the year before.
02:25And the same as I imagine it's going to be next year.
02:27That you prefer that he misses these.
02:29I don't prefer that he misses them.
02:30I just don't have a problem because it says voluntary on there.
02:34And he is a guy.
02:35Guys, we've got to understand something here.
02:37You spent a little time talking down to people.
02:39Let me talk down to people.
02:40I know most of us stopped playing sports after high school.
02:43And when I was in high school, it was real big team camaraderie.
02:47Rah, rah stuff.
02:48That's what most of us do.
02:50Most of you guys getting in your cars right now.
02:52Getting in your trucks right now.
02:53You were captains of your high school football team.
02:55You believed in all of it.
02:57And I did.
02:57I wasn't a captain, but I believed in all of it and all that other stuff, man.
03:00I was there.
03:01Trust me.
03:02Team first, all that good stuff.
03:05These guys ain't in high school.
03:08What his teammates care about, if you frankly want to know, they care about him making plays
03:13on Sunday.
03:14When he makes plays on Sunday, it makes their business better.
03:17When he makes plays on Sunday, it makes them more money because it makes them look better.
03:22Guys in the secondary are better looking because of the pressure he puts on quarterbacks.
03:27Guys who play with them are better because of the pressure he puts on quarterbacks.
03:31He is paid to rush the passer.
03:33He's paid to sack the passer.
03:34If he showed up fat and out of shape this year, then I guess I'd have a problem with
03:38him.
03:38But he shows up in immaculate condition every single season, and he shows up and he sets
03:43records every single season.
03:44Yeah, yeah.
03:45So I know that they've only won eight games the last two years.
03:47I've pounded that into everybody's head at every point I make about the Browns.
03:51They only won eight games the last two years because of Myles Garrett.
03:54So guys, I know that we're all supposed to be in on this together and rah, rah, and hands up.
03:59That all ended years ago.
04:01I don't expect him to be a leader.
04:02It would be nice, but I don't.
04:04All I expect him to do is show up and be an exceptional football player and a first ballot
04:08Hall of Famer.
04:09When he stops doing that, maybe we'll have a discussion.
04:12But until that day, there's nothing you can say to the guy because they don't even want
04:15to say it to the guy.
04:16That's where this is.
04:17I guess really you think it's a non-discussion because you've already accepted that Myles
04:22Garrett is not and will never be a leader.
04:25Yes, in certain ways, I have to admit.
04:27I think Todd Munkin is probably like, man, it'd be nice to have the best player on the
04:31team be a leader.
04:32That would be nice because he's been on a team with Myles Garrett before, but this is
04:36the first time as his head coach.
04:37And there's no doubt a brand new head coach with new coordinators who have never done this
04:43stuff before, they would appreciate that leadership emanating from all the premium players and
04:50the most important positions.
04:51And I wouldn't even understand to a certain degree if Munkin is, and not to backtrack
04:56here because I think that he does think to some degree it's a big deal.
05:00I don't.
05:01Or it's a medium deal or however sized deal you want it to be.
05:05And not the end of the world.
05:06I don't think anybody's classifying that.
05:08You know, Munkin wants everybody to be there.
05:09He's a football coach.
05:11Okay?
05:11He's got to brainwash these guys into coming together for a common goal.
05:16And when the best player on the football team isn't at an event, yeah, that is always going
05:20to be something that doesn't necessarily help you.
05:22So that's always going to be somewhat of an annoyance.
05:25I'm not denying that it's somewhat of an annoyance for Todd Munkin.
05:28I'm not denying that.
05:30But what I'm saying is what's really important in the end of it.
05:32It's important that he shows up and makes plays.
05:34And he shows up and he makes more plays than anybody else.
05:36So if he didn't do that, maybe I'd have a problem.
05:39Like, is Alex Wright there?
05:44I'm serious.
05:45Is Alex Wright there?
05:46Maybe it's a problem if Alex Wright weren't there.
05:47He just got paid.
05:48But I'm sure Alex Wright probably is there.
05:50There's other guys that maybe need to show some face time with the team, with the coaches,
05:55with the new staff.
05:56Maybe there are guys who need to do that.
05:57But Miles, what are you going to do?
06:00Are you going to trade him?
06:01No.
06:02Because he holds the cards when it comes to that.
06:04And you're not going to trade him.
06:05Your boss says that every chance out there because he doesn't want to look like the biggest fool
06:09whoever was in professional football, even though it seems that the majority of the fans
06:12would like to trade him.
06:13But he ain't going to trade him.
06:14So what are you really going to do?
06:15If he shows up looking like a fat pig, then I guess we'll have a conversation.
06:18But he doesn't.
06:19So to me, it's a yearly thing that we have, and it's a yearly annoyance that I deal with.
06:26Well, you wonder, too, what Jimmy Haslam thinks.
06:28Because Jimmy, on record saying, and this was a year ago and after he signed the deal,
06:32he told Mary Kay, who we're going to have later on today,
06:35820.
06:35What we've challenged Miles on is, by his practice habits, by his actions, etc.,
06:40to become a real leader of the team.
06:42Yeah.
06:43The owner also said that it was a mistake getting Deshaun Watson.
06:47And who do people pick as the starting quarterback?
06:51I mean, people say a lot of things.
06:52No, no, but wait, wait.
06:53You don't think after Jimmy Haslam signed Miles Garrett to that deal,
06:58after he made the public trade request and everything,
07:00and made a big thing about it, obviously.
07:02Yeah.
07:03You don't think Jimmy was checking in to see if Miles was there,
07:08to show that leadership that he said by his practice habits and by his actions.
07:13Yeah.
07:14Practice habits, actions.
07:15But I could also say, all right.
07:17That would have been an opportunity, right?
07:18That would have been an opportunity to demonstrate that.
07:20But how did Aiden Huntington make the team?
07:21That's what I go back with.
07:23Did Aiden Huntington help this football team last year, okay, on defense,
07:28actually lined up at fullback, H-back a couple times.
07:31Aiden Huntington helped this football team and worked out with Miles Garrett.
07:35It's not like he doesn't want to be around any teammates.
07:37If you ask him for help, he's going to help you.
07:39You don't think there's a difference between – because all the Browns players always go off on there.
07:45We saw Deshaun Watson and Jerry Judy were working out.
07:48Shador's been working out.
07:50When the new head coach comes in, and it's the – I know they can't install anything or anything like
07:54that.
07:54They're very specific.
07:55Albert Breer went in-depth the other day on the afternoon show about what actually goes on in these things.
08:00And it really is just cultural.
08:03That's what it is.
08:04It's starting to form the culture.
08:05Hey, look, there's the coach.
08:07Remember, they didn't want this coach.
08:10I mean, Miles Garrett didn't want this coach.
08:11They wanted Jim Schwartz.
08:12So is this some sort of a message when he does the same thing he's always done?
08:15That's what I'm wondering is would have been an awesome gesture, and we all would have gone nuts.
08:20We can't stop.
08:20We can't be lying.
08:21It would be a lot easier because I wouldn't have to have this conversation.
08:24If Miles Garrett was there – and, oh, by the way, we would have got a press conference,
08:27and Miles Garrett signed off on Todd Munkin and this new leadership.
08:33Guys, don't act like you wouldn't start to play the Michael Stanley and get really pumped up about the season.
08:39And I admitted that.
08:40That's all I'm saying.
08:40I admitted that.
08:41That's all I'm saying.
08:42I admitted that, and I think it would make Kevin Stefanski look a little bit worse.
08:45But Miles Garrett, don't give a damn about that.
08:47But you're saying it's all I'm saying.
08:48You demanded an apology yesterday.
08:49You wanted me to apologize to you.
08:51Yeah, because you didn't say it wasn't worth talking about because we talked about it.
08:55But I'll say it now.
08:55I don't think it's worth talking about it.
08:57I'll talk about it because it's my job.
08:58The last 11 minutes you didn't think was a decent conversation to have?
09:02No, I've had a bunch of people – yeah, it's a conversation to have.
09:03I've had a bunch of people saying that we should talk about it, and they are annoyed.
09:06And I'm striking those folks down saying, no, you can be annoyed as you want,
09:10but I don't think his teammates are annoyed.
09:11I mean, I've seen a bunch of people.
09:12We talked about the panic of –
09:13Well, the phone lines are open for you if you want to let me have it.
09:17I have seen a bunch of people questioning his leadership
09:18and wondering if he's ever really going to be all in with the Browns.
09:21They thought maybe him showing up would have been all in,
09:24would have showed that he's all in behind this team and this new coaching staff.
09:29Because remember, he wanted Schwartz.
09:30I mean, they made it abundantly clear they wanted Jim Schwartz.
09:32That was on his Instagram story for crying out loud.
09:34And has he even met Todd Monken since he's been hired?
09:37Have they even been in the same room?
09:38Well, he met him before.
09:39He worked with him in 19.
09:40Yeah, and since he's been hired as the head coach, have they been in the same room?
09:43I don't know.
09:44Did they ask him that question yesterday?
09:45So you understand what he said?
09:47I couldn't ask Miles.
09:48At the owners' meetings, he said they had texted each other.
09:51Yeah.
09:51Okay?
09:51There you go.
09:52That insinuates they have not been in the same room.
09:54But you wouldn't say that if they had been in the same room.
09:56Todd went to the Cavs game the other day.
09:58Miles is partial Cavs owner.
10:00Was he at the arena?
10:00Maybe they were in the same room.
10:02There's a big room.
10:04I'll win on a technicality.
10:05I don't care.
10:07But we do this.
10:08We just do it every single year.
10:10And there's a reason.
10:11Because the Browns are a losing team.
10:13And we always question their culture.
10:14But he can't.
10:15So would that have been a nice culture moment?
10:17If he played?
10:18Honestly, no.
10:19No?
10:20No.
10:20Ken Carman, the football coach?
10:21It wouldn't have.
10:22Because it doesn't make that big a damn difference.
10:25What?
10:25Come on.
10:26What?
10:26You would have loved it.
10:27It doesn't make that big a damn difference.
10:28You would have loved it.
10:28Yeah, because I don't have to discuss this crap anymore.
10:30And you would have mentioned culture.
10:32That definitely would have come up that term.
10:33No, it wouldn't have.
10:34This amorphous term that we're always like, man, what is it about these other organizations?
10:38And then remember, Lamar Jackson was there this year for the first time in a long time.
10:41Because he's a quarterback.
10:41And because I think he believes.
10:43This is why I get annoyed.
10:44He believes in the culture.
10:46I think he understands.
10:47They've fallen short every year.
10:48He called his coach publicly in front of everybody.
10:51And they got a new coach.
10:52Of course he has to show up.
10:53And he did.
10:54And he's a quarterback.
10:55There is time where they install things.
10:58And as the quarterback, what does Miles Garrett have to install?
11:01Rushing a passer?
11:02I just think you're given a pass because you don't want to hear it from people.
11:05People are in your mentions saying, don't talk about it.
11:08This isn't going to impact Miles.
11:09It's like nobody's saying it's going to impact Miles.
11:11Miles will be great.
11:11It doesn't matter.
11:12We all know he's going to be great.
11:13What matters is they were outspoken about who they wanted as the head coach.
11:17That coach wasn't taken.
11:19And to our knowledge, Miles Garrett hasn't even bothered to go meet the...
11:24Listen, I'm an excitable boy.
11:25I started to talk myself into this.
11:27You'll love it.
11:29Playing some Todd Munkin audio.
11:32Lance Rislin was putting it out.
11:34We had the press conference yesterday.
11:37And I started to talk myself.
11:39Well, if this is the time of year I start to talk myself and have a better record than
11:42what I think they're going to have.
11:44Like, when we end seasons, it's like, oh, God, this is just terrible.
11:49And then usually around this time, we're two weeks away from the draft, and I'm looking
11:54at it going, well, they can't be any worse than they've been offensively.
11:59If they're close to what they've been defensively, he's shaking his head in there.
12:02He can't believe I'm about to do it again.
12:05I don't want to be...
12:07I don't want to be a broken record every year.
12:10But I can't help myself.
12:12And so I have to ask you guys.
12:14Because I heard Todd Munkin's press conference yesterday, and I'm thinking, again, it can't
12:19be worse than what they've been offensively the last couple years.
12:21It's just impossible.
12:24It's just...
12:25Don't look at me like that.
12:27It's just impossible.
12:29Second, if they're close to where they were defensively last year, their schedule isn't
12:34as bad as what it's been in the past.
12:36It's a great schedule.
12:37It's a great schedule.
12:38It's a seven-win team, at least, right?
12:42And I know what I'm saying, and I'm going, oh, you guys are going to make a video, and
12:45I'm going to get hammered for being an idiot here.
12:47And I can't help myself.
12:48I'm sorry.
12:49And so, yeah, when it comes to...
12:51Real quick, when it comes to Miles, I'm like, yeah, I'd be very excited.
12:53And I know, I do know this, I would be so excited that we don't have to have these stupid
12:59conversations anymore about, should he be there, shouldn't he be there?
13:02And I'm talking to a bunch of high school all-stars, okay?
13:06They don't think like we do, all right?
13:09I'm a big team guy.
13:10You know me, rah-rah.
13:11They don't think like we do.
13:12And talking to those guys on that defense, I think it's different.
13:15I really do.
13:16But I'm telling you, I know how I am, and I'm sitting there thinking, well, they're going
13:19to win seven games.
13:20And if Miles was there, maybe I'd think they were going to win eight games.
13:23And here I am starting to talk myself into silly things that I'm going to pay for during
13:26the season again.
13:28It happens one way or another.
13:30Last year, I held out until, what, three days before the season started?
13:34Then we started getting hammered because we were being too negative about the Browns before
13:37the season.
13:38Then they went out and they won five games.
13:39And I predicted they were going to win eight because I caved.
13:45I'm either going to stay steadfast or I'm going to continue to do the silly thing.
13:49Which one would you rather me do right now?
13:51I look, as somebody who has been very annoyed that people aren't getting excited about the
13:58Cavs as we get ready to embark on hopefully a playoff journey, I have no problem with off-season
14:05optimism from the Browns.
14:06I think that's one of the things the NFL has over everybody is that in the NFL, because
14:12of the way the seasons end for the bad teams, then there's free agency, then there's the
14:18draft, so there's a compelling reason why all the teams that are bad have a chance to
14:23be good.
14:23It's what the NFL, quite frankly, has over the other leagues, is that you can go in
14:28these small, tiny, four-team divisions.
14:31You can go from worst to first, and it happens almost every year in that league.
14:35And part of it is the schedule, too.
14:37They try to do everything they can.
14:39They give you a draft pick at the top.
14:40And then, you know, you're at the top of every round, provided you have the draft equity.
14:45Then you also have the newness of a new coach.
14:49How many teams are looking for new coaches every year?
14:51It seems like a third of them get swapped out every year.
14:54So the NFL really does create an environment for all the bad teams to think you're going
14:59to be better the following year.
15:02But we're not usually better the following year.
15:05Right.
15:05That is true.
15:06No, we are not.
15:07I get a lot of people saying I'm a moron because I kind of talk myself into it every
15:15single year that they're going to be better.
15:17Now, one year I hit it dead nails.
15:19Actually, no, I was under.
15:20I was under because I said they were going to go 9 and 8, and they ended up going 11
15:23and
15:236.
15:25I was actually under that year.
15:28But that kind of tricked me into thinking that I was going to be better off or better off
15:31thinking of it.
15:32I start to try to talk myself out of it because I have to weigh the good with the bad.
15:35I said all those things that are positives.
15:37I also have to say, well, you've got four-fifths of the offensive line that's going to be new
15:40and they're free agents, and you know how I feel about that.
15:42We don't really know what we want to do with the left tackle.
15:44I am terrified that there's people who want to take left tackles just because they play
15:48left tackle when they may not very well be ready to start week one, which I've asked
15:52you guys over the last few weeks, and now all of a sudden I think we've got some flip-flopping
15:55going on because there's been plenty of people who said both those first-round picks have
15:59got to be week one starters.
16:00I'm going, man, if you take Monroe Freeling at number six, I don't know if he's going to be
16:03a week one starter for you.
16:04I don't know if that's going to be, and even if you do, I think that might come out
16:08reckless if you want to do something like that.
16:10Speaking about Miles Garrett, we all heard what Brian Baldinger told us, what he could
16:14do to a guy who doesn't have a lot of experience in practice.
16:16So that scares the bejesus out of you.
16:18Then we bring up Caden Proctor.
16:20Everybody says he's too slow, too fat, all the other things that go with it, even though
16:23I've seen him be a hell of an athlete, but that's more of a pick 24.
16:26People are talking about him at six.
16:28I mean, that's crazy.
16:28And then they had in, let me throw this in there.
16:31They bring in Kenyon Sadiq yesterday for one of their top 30 visits, who I think is a great
16:37player, and you could do so many different things with him.
16:40I don't know if I take, I don't think I'd take him number six, but I don't know if he's
16:42going to be there at number 24.
16:43And, but he has tight end next to his name.
16:46And so people think, well, you already have Harold Fannin.
16:48You can't take another tight end.
16:49And then they bring in KC Conception.
16:51He has wide receiver next to his name.
16:53And I think, well, everything I hear about him is that he has uneven hands.
16:56And I go, well, that's pretty important for a wide receiver.
16:59They're not the same size or they're not symmetric?
17:02One nail is one of the others?
17:04Inconsistent hands, fine.
17:05You've got to give me the football guy terminology so I can get on your level.
17:10Well, I'm sure one's a little bit bigger than the other.
17:12I mean, it is the human body.
17:15And I'm just trying to get away from bad decisions here because these guys, they take
17:20in the first round, they're going to have to contribute and they're going to have to
17:23be a part of what I think their win total is going to be this year.
17:26And then you get the fight of how people don't, there's people out there that don't
17:29want their win total to be that high because of what's coming up in next year's first round.
17:34So I have to fight all that.
17:35And I'm just knowing that this is the type of year weather's up and down, weather starts
17:40to get nice.
17:41I start to think more positively.
17:43Cavs are doing well.
17:45I'm getting, you get bullish about the Cavs in the postseason and what could be, and
17:49then the Guardians are there and you're thinking, well, why can't all of them be good?
17:52Why can't this be another year where things get good?
17:54And they go, oh, wait a minute.
17:55You got a quarterback that might start the year that nobody wants to see.
17:58And you got another quarterback that some people want to see, but really it's just for
18:03morbid curiosity.
18:04So I have to temper the expectations a little bit.
18:06That's where I'm at on that.
18:07So maybe in my own way, I get upset about the miles conversation just because I just
18:14know that there's going to be bigger conversations to have.
18:16I just know there's going to be way bigger conversations to have.
18:18And when a guy shows up and he's in immaculate shape and the guys on the defense seem to
18:25like him, not that the offense hates him, but the defense, guys on his defense, they
18:30all like him.
18:30They all get along.
18:32He's good with them.
18:35I just tend to think the voluntary workout crap is overblown.
18:38I just do.
18:40It would be better.
18:41I will admit this.
18:42I'll meet you halfway on it.
18:43It would be better that a team that won five games had him show up just so it didn't make
18:50any of the fans who are really downtrodden on this team feel a little bit worse.
18:54Fine.
18:54You got that out of me.
18:56I'm not going to apologize, but you got that part out of me.
18:59But in the overall grand scheme of thing, who gives a bleep, you guys?
19:04Was Miles Garrett the reason you didn't win more than five games last year?
19:07Was that really the reason?
19:09No.
19:10Part of the problem is that the team itself, in that all these teams are social media teams,
19:14all they do is show the players walking in that first day to get fans excited, and then
19:20there's one glaring omission every single year.
19:23But aren't you and I supposed to be a little bit above that?
19:26Aren't you and I supposed to be above that?
19:28We make jokes.
19:30We make jokes about Shador walking in with Todd Munkin and them filming the whole thing.
19:35We've made jokes about the...
19:37I didn't know Sam was a nickname for Dylan Sampson.
19:40We make jokes about that.
19:41Aren't we supposed to be above it?
19:43Aren't the fans supposed to?
19:45Yeah, it tickles you a little bit.
19:47It's like, hey, it's an anticipation that football will be here again and that there's
19:52things to look forward to instead of things to feel bad about with what's happened in the
19:56past.
19:56You got a new coach.
19:57There's some newness there.
19:58It's a new year.
19:59Of course, you're to be excited.
20:00But aren't you and I supposed to be a little bit deeper than that?
20:03Yeah.
20:03Yeah.
20:03Okay.
20:04I'd say so.
20:04So I'm not going to get all worked up about their social media.
20:07At least I'm going to try not to get all worked up about their social media.
20:09And I want to talk about what actually matters.
20:12What actually matters is who they're going to take in this first round.
20:14That's why we have Matt Miller coming up.
20:16What actually matters is who's going to play quarterback for this team, how George Warhop
20:20is going to get this offensive line going, how is the new defensive coordinator, Mike
20:26Rutenberg, going to be able to get this defense to play on the same page and continue the work
20:30of what Jim Schwartz has done and get their trust, which seems to be that he does have
20:35a lot of trust.
20:35When you talk to Quincy Williams and those guys there, that's what matters.
20:41Miles Garrett, not coming.
20:43Honestly, it's a big, to me, it's a bigger deal about the speeding tickets than all the
20:47other stuff, than all that, just because it's like, well, you do kind of put yourself in
20:50harm's way.
20:51If you're not available to play, then that's a much bigger problem than not showing up to
20:56voluntary workouts because he's had a car accident before.
20:59Well, technically him, he didn't have to speed to get here for that, for that first practice.
21:03And I get annoyed by that.
21:05I know what you're doing and I don't like it.
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