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00:00Damn it, Tone, it's hard.
00:02Because they're in an uproar.
00:03I didn't mean to get them in an uproar.
00:05We're in an uproar.
00:08It's, guys, I know Deion Sanders is a major celebrity.
00:11I actually think you're going to go with me on this.
00:14Let me just give you a taste of it.
00:16I know Deion Sanders is a major celebrity.
00:19I know his son is a major celebrity.
00:21I know a lot of you don't think his son is that good.
00:24I don't think that he's the future of the franchise for the Browns.
00:27Okay?
00:28It doesn't mean that he can't talk to Todd Munkin.
00:31It doesn't mean that.
00:33Coaches talk, guys who are college coaches, talk to NFL coaches about quarterbacks
00:38and about all the other positions all the time.
00:40That's all I'm going to say right now.
00:41Did somebody say something to the contrary?
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00:49So I tweeted it out, and I'm getting a lot of daddy ball comments.
00:53And I go, nope, that's not it.
00:54If Chador sucked and the Colorado Buffalo still sucked while Chador was there,
00:59then you could say daddy ball all you wanted, except they weren't 1-11.
01:03They went to 4-8 and then 9-4.
01:05That is a clear step up for a program.
01:07Yeah.
01:07Now, unfortunately for them, they're right back to where they started.
01:10It would seem, my God, what happened over there?
01:11Which makes Chador's case even better, doesn't it?
01:13I'm so confused.
01:16Is there an entire wing of the Chador fan base that thinks all the white hosts are the same?
01:24I don't know.
01:25Because we never blasted it.
01:27We thought, yeah.
01:28I'm getting lumped in with you about the anti-Chador stuff.
01:31Why wouldn't he talk?
01:32Now, I did say like.
01:34It's because I don't think he's a franchise anymore.
01:36I mean, you can call me that.
01:37So, he shouldn't be like talking to the coach every week during the season.
01:41Like the coach.
01:42And nor would Deion Sanders ever subject a head coach to that because he is a head coach.
01:48Would he want all the high school coaches of all the players talking to him every single week?
01:53Like, no.
01:54He's got bigger fish to fry.
01:55He's got bigger stuff to do.
01:56In the offseason?
01:57No.
01:57Like, yeah.
01:58Why wouldn't they talk?
01:59I just don't think it should be like an every week thing during the season.
02:02There are other celebrity coaches.
02:03Very few of them can touch Deion Sanders.
02:07And most of the ones that can touch Deion Sanders have had a significant history in the game.
02:12And have had multiple rings in the game as champions.
02:16That, yes.
02:16I get that there's different gravitas.
02:18Like, I'm not going to compare him to Nick Saban.
02:19I guess we're just doing it now.
02:20I'm not going to compare him to Nick Saban.
02:23Because Nick Saban can pick up the phone and talk to anybody who wants to.
02:26And they've actually been in commercials together.
02:27Like, Nick Saban can talk to anybody at any time.
02:30And anybody's going to listen because it's Saban.
02:31But like I bring up Lane Kiffin.
02:33Lane Kiffin has had a long career in coaching college football.
02:37And it's certainly been a rocky career at times in coaching college football.
02:40I don't hear none about Jackson Dart.
02:42I'm sure he's talked to the Giants before.
02:45I'm sure he still talks to the Giants a time or two.
02:48About Jackson Dart and about a bunch of other players from Ole Miss and everywhere else he's been.
02:52With all the other places that he's been over the time.
02:54So, that to me, that doesn't matter to me.
02:56Just because, yes, Deion is a celebrity.
03:01Yes, he comes from a different background because he went off the desk and became the coach at Jackson State.
03:06And then became the coach at Colorado.
03:08But this is something that is much clearer.
03:10We want to sit there and get upset.
03:12It is a normal process.
03:13You guys are glossing over one fact.
03:14What am I glossing over?
03:15He's not just a former celebrity player.
03:18He's his father.
03:19There is, Lane Kiffin is not Jackson Dart's father.
03:23And this is not coming from me specifically.
03:27I'm just saying, that's the biggest, you would not talk to every other player's father.
03:32I get they're also not the coach.
03:34Which is what I told somebody.
03:35I go, just because we don't know who Jason Simpson is, doesn't mean I should feel a whole lot better.
03:41I think there's got to be a difference here.
03:43Like, there is some nuance here, right?
03:47Like, Kevin Stefanski clearly did not make any time.
03:51Also, Kevin was, you know, I think he was obviously battling for his coaching life.
03:58And Deion's kid was the fourth strength.
04:01Like, he was drafted behind, you know, he wasn't even the first quarterback taken in the draft.
04:06Like, yes, he was way down the totem pole.
04:09I mean, everybody was put in a bad position there.
04:11But this year, it's different.
04:12Like, it's one or the other.
04:13It's, it's clearly, it's either Shador or Deshaun Watson to start the year.
04:19And I think we'd all like to see a better Shador Sanders than we saw last year.
04:23Last year was a player who's not going to stick in the league.
04:26So, I don't, I don't have a problem with him talking.
04:29I do think, you know, every coach is going to want to put, you know, their, their, their, their, the
04:35players that are competing for jobs.
04:37And their families and or college coaches are going to also want to have them at arm's length to some,
04:41to some, to some respect.
04:43Like, all right, yeah, let's, let's talk about how, you know, he can be better.
04:47You're a coach, you're a player, you're a Hall of Famer.
04:49Like, what do you think?
04:50How do you think he wasn't being used right?
04:52But then after that, it's got to be like, you don't have my, you don't have my direct line the
04:57whole season.
04:57Like, I don't, I don't think any NFL coach would want that.
05:00By the way, I don't think Deion, Deion wouldn't want that from a bunch of people in his life.
05:06Like, at some point, you got to let the coaches coach.
05:09I think he understands that.
05:10But it's the offseason.
05:10There's, there's no damage to be done in the offseason.
05:13Like, it can only help.
05:14I understand there's such a thing as like helicopter quarterback dads.
05:18And that's been brought up a bunch of times.
05:20I read the art, the Stuart Mandel articles and things like that.
05:23Like, yeah, there's definitely those guys.
05:25And they can become a big problem for coaching staffs there.
05:27If you're just a debt.
05:29He's the head coach of Colorado.
05:30He's the head coach of Colorado.
05:31So, I can guarantee you that Jacksonville has reached out to him about Travis Hunter.
05:38I can just about guarantee that.
05:39I can guarantee you that other guys have been reached out to Deion Sanders about other guys
05:44that he's coached.
05:45I can guarantee you even in the transfer portal.
05:47I know for a fact one of them in the transfer portal.
05:49There's been a major college football coach who has reached out to him and reached out to
05:53members of his staff about guys who transferred out of Colorado, who he talked up for crying out loud.
05:59And I think we know who I'm talking about there on that case.
06:01And you'd only have to do a little bit of digging to find out.
06:04I'm not going to mention it now.
06:05So, to me, and I'm glad you brought up the father thing.
06:08Because he's not any of their dads.
06:10Daddy ball has been brought up.
06:11If he went out there and he sucked, daddy ball can be said all the time.
06:15Because there's clearly a problem there.
06:17You could say it.
06:18That's the definition of daddy ball.
06:20That's what that is.
06:21You know that world.
06:22I know that world.
06:23And you know that you will know that world, Anthony.
06:26Keith is going to know that world.
06:27We've all heard the stories of daddy ball, right?
06:30But if he clearly raised the program, which he did, it's right there.
06:361-11 on their ass.
06:37The worst program in P4 college football.
06:40To 4-8, then to 9-4 in a bowl game.
06:43That is clearly a successful run.
06:45And you mentioned it yourself.
06:47They struggled like hell last year.
06:49What were they, 3-9 last season?
06:50Unfortunately, the arrow's pointing down.
06:52I don't know what's going on.
06:54Obviously, Shador meant a great deal to that program.
06:57So, I'm not going to take away anything of what has happened.
07:00And yes.
07:01Yeah, but you agree there needs to be limits, right?
07:02It can't be.
07:03He's not going to be having an open dialogue with Deion throughout the season.
07:07I don't think that he should be trying to text him right after games and before games and things like
07:11that.
07:12But I think that.
07:13Because I think that's what some people think might happen.
07:15I think Deion understands that, though.
07:16I really do.
07:16Right.
07:17He should.
07:18I'm seeing some, you know, think like, all right, is this really going to be, you know, is this going
07:24to be detrimental to Todd?
07:25I don't think that's going to happen during the regular season.
07:27I think this is just, hey, an off-season meeting.
07:29I'm not going to make a huge deal about it.
07:31He is his son.
07:32We all want what's best for our sons.
07:34But I also understand that Deion Sanders, I would believe, and I do believe, that Deion Sanders understands what coaches
07:41go through now that he's been a coach for a decade.
07:44I think he gets that.
07:45Now, I might not be sympathetic to what Kevin Stefanski has gone through.
07:48Yeah, well, that's.
07:49Because Kevin's got two head coaching jobs now.
07:51And I'm sure Deion would like to coach in the NFL.
07:52He also brought it up, and some people took it the wrong way.
07:55He said that he didn't reach out.
07:56And he felt that that was odd.
07:57Probably because he's had other guys reach out about other players, and this is his son, and he said that
08:01he didn't reach out to him.
08:02So, Deion's allowed to think that it's odd.
08:04I really didn't.
08:05Would Lane Kiffin find it odd if the Giants didn't say anything to him about Jackson Dart, just didn't want
08:10to talk to Lane Kiffin?
08:11Wouldn't you?
08:12I didn't think it was.
08:12If you were the head coach Ole Miss and Jackson Dart was your quarterback, and you were an offensive guy,
08:16wouldn't that be odd to you?
08:18No, I didn't think it was that odd, to be honest.
08:19I thought it was odd.
08:20Jed Fish.
08:20Kevin, you never brought.
08:21Did you ever bring it up before?
08:23Yes, I did.
08:23Yes, I did.
08:24Yes, I did.
08:25I host with you every day.
08:26I don't remember you.
08:26Well, during the season, I'll tell you this.
08:28Because I assumed that he had talked to Deion at some point.
08:32I did not realize there was no reaching out.
08:34I thought it was odd.
08:36I assumed that Deion would have been at camp at some point, and they would have talked.
08:39But again, this kid was the four-string quarterback.
08:41And he's got a camp of his own.
08:43Normally, fifth-rounders who are four-string never see the light of day.
08:47They're never even really in a team's plan.
08:51I think Deion understands that wherever he goes, there's going to be a crowd.
08:53And there's going to be people who follow him.
08:55And there's going to be eyes on him.
08:56It's been like that for 40 years.
08:59He also knows how to get a hold of Kevin Stefanski, too, though.
09:02I mean, that's a two-way street.
09:03Wait a minute.
09:04Wait a minute.
09:04Wait a minute.
09:05Was he sitting there waiting by the phone going, where's Kevin?
09:07Where's Kevin?
09:08Why hasn't Kevin reached out to him?
09:09Really?
09:09I disagree with this right now.
09:10He's a coach?
09:11I disagree with this right now.
09:12I disagree with this right now.
09:13It's kind of presumptuous.
09:14For the reason Owen just said what he said.
09:17If it gets out there in the media that I'm calling up Kevin Stefanski over my son,
09:20while you guys are trying to figure out your quarterback situation,
09:22then I've given everybody all the ammo in the world.
09:25You both keep moving the, I don't know if it's the goalpost.
09:28I'm not trying to move it.
09:29Are we talking about Deion the coach or Deion the dad?
09:30It's hard to do.
09:31You have to differentiate between the two.
09:33That's what makes the conversation interesting, I'll tell you that.
09:35It's a very unique thing.
09:37It is.
09:38How should he be able to just reach out and talk to him?
09:41How do you think that people would have reacted had we found out that Deion Sanders
09:46was trying to get a hold of Kevin Stefanski?
09:48It would have been Daddy Ball.
09:51It would have been Helicopter Dad.
09:52And then on the other side, it would have been,
09:54why isn't Kevin Stefanski picking up the phone?
09:56But we found out later on that they didn't reach out to Deion Sanders,
10:00according to Deion Sanders, which I do find to be a bit odd,
10:03considering that is a standard thing that guys do.
10:06They build relationships.
10:07Again, I bring up Jed Fish.
10:09He was on the station, on with Baskin and Phelps after we took Denzel Boston.
10:12He said they had numerous conversations about Denzel Boston
10:15with Andrew Barry and with his staff.
10:18Numerous conversations.
10:19That's a wide receiver.
10:20But again, you mentioned Jackson Dart before.
10:24Just because they're not his son.
10:26But you're mentioning first-round picks,
10:28that everything in the pre-draft process is honing.
10:32Shador was never that.
10:34He was never that.
10:35He was an afterthought throw-in fifth-rounder, like, let's throw a dart.
10:38That's a huge difference.
10:40We can't act like that is the same as, holy cow,
10:44we're going to create a whole plan of attack to go get him in the first round.
10:49That's very different.
10:50I know Sam Pittman got canned, so it's going to be hard to make this argument.
10:53Would you be at all surprised, even as a six-round pick,
10:56would you be surprised if Sam Pittman had kept his job,
11:00that Talon Green, they reached out to Sam Pittman before the draft
11:03and asked a little bit about Talon Green?
11:04Would you be surprised?
11:05Well, probably to figure out how to use him.
11:06Well, he's just a fifth- and sixth-round guy.
11:08But Shador's very different because Shador's a quarterback.
11:11Talon Green, they're trying to figure out where he fits in the NFL.
11:14Does he do special teams?
11:15Could he do special teams?
11:16They've already talked about that.
11:17Like, that's very different.
11:18Could he be a wide receiver?
11:20I don't think it's different at all.
11:20Could he be a slash?
11:21Like, Shador, the tape is the tape.
11:23He's a quarterback.
11:24He's not trying to be anything else.
11:25And I think you go and talk about what makes him comfortable.
11:27What doesn't make him comfortable?
11:29Is he good at these type of reads?
11:31Can he translate?
11:32Can he remember the play calls that he's going to get in his helmet in the NFL
11:35when he has to decide and tell the linemen what to do,
11:39tell the tight ends what to do, what routes to run,
11:41what the running backs are supposed to do, what to do after a can?
11:45Like, is he able to do all that in his head?
11:48Like, these are things you ask.
11:49So why would they do that with Pat Shermer then,
11:50who was his offensive coordinator in the play call?
11:52I don't know if they would have liked what they would have heard from Pat.
11:54Didn't we want to have Pat Shermer on?
11:55Well, that's what I'm saying.
11:56I'm just like, why are we so –
11:58like, if they did talk to the guy who was calling the plays
12:01and the guy who was, you know, talking to him in his headset,
12:05wouldn't that be the equivalent of talking to his head coach
12:08who turns out to be his dad also?
12:11Yeah, I would think so, right?
12:13Yeah, so then I think it's the conversations over there.
12:15They did their job.
12:16They don't need to talk to Deion if they talk to Pat Shermer.
12:20Okay.
12:22I guess so.
12:24But I think that head coach is an offensive guy.
12:26Because of the unique situation.
12:27Wait a minute.
12:28The head coach is an offensive guy.
12:29He was also a defensive back.
12:31So I can't ask the head coach just because I asked Pat Shermer?
12:35In this unique situation, I don't think it's as prudent.
12:42Okay.
12:43I think – so they should avoid Deion?
12:46Yep, that's what I said.
12:47Okay, I'm just –
12:49You've asked me three times.
12:50I keep saying the same answer.
12:51I don't know why they need to avoid calling Deion, though.
12:54I just said, Ken, if they talk to the guy that called his plays in college.
12:59Okay.
13:00Why do they also need to talk to the guy who didn't call his plays in college
13:03who also turns out to be his –
13:05I don't necessarily need to do that.
13:07Then fine.
13:07I just don't think – I think there is –
13:09when people go, what's the difference?
13:10Fifth-round pick, first-round talent.
13:12It's like when a guy's taken in the fifth round
13:13and he's the second quarterback taken,
13:15you took a quarterback before him,
13:17like they're going to devote more into the third-round quarterback
13:21than they are – like Shador, there's a lot of guys in the fifth round
13:24that don't even make it football team.
13:26Anthony, it doesn't –
13:26So I just – I think Kevin Stefanski,
13:28while trying to save his job and had a thousand other things –
13:32he had Joe Flacco as his starting quarterback.
13:34I don't think he is going to spend a ton of bandwidth on Shador Sanders.
13:40But what I think you don't realize is that they do call about late-round guys.
13:45They do want to find out about late-round guys.
13:46Okay, a call, but we're talking about meetings.
13:48He's a quarterback.
13:49We're talking about what is –
13:50It's the Browns.
13:50Does Deion want some film room time with him?
13:53Like what does Deion want?
13:54I don't know.
13:55I think it's important.
13:56That I don't know.
13:56I have no idea.
13:57Because he's the one making an issue.
13:58Remember, he's the one making an issue of it.
13:59It's not Kevin Stefanski.
14:01So you've got to explain.
14:03Like what did Deion want out of these conversations?
14:05I would like to know myself.
14:06Did he want to just give his kid the leg up
14:08on a quarterback competition for second string or third string?
14:11Well, you're always going to believe in your player.
14:12I mean, good God, we had Dabo Sweeney on here
14:13and he said that Taj Boyd was going to save the Cleveland Browns.
14:16Michael Jordan.
14:16Does Dylan Gabriel –
14:18Dylan Gabriel's dad was kind of a legendary figure in football in Hawaii.
14:22Does he get a meet-and-greet too?
14:24He can at least ask for his son to keep his number.
14:26You see the slippery slope when it comes to this.
14:28I really don't.
14:30So you do think Dylan's dad should have gotten a meet-and-greet
14:33with Kevin Stefanski?
14:34I mean, I've seen a lot of players out there.
14:36I cannot tell you the amount of rookies.
14:37I cannot tell you the amount of rookie dads.
14:39I know you never go to camp, but I do.
14:41And I cannot tell you the amount of rookie dads
14:43that I've seen walking around the hallways
14:44over the last 15 years of the station,
14:4714 years as partners with the Cleveland Browns.
14:49It should have been like open house for college.
14:51All the dads come on one day.
14:53Yeah, that's it.
14:53Kevin Stefanski has dad day.
14:54Oh, that's the slippriest wizard of all wizard arguments.
14:57And all the people, especially if they play football at a high level,
15:00they should all come together.
15:02You always find a way.
15:03You always find a way.
15:05We're going to do breakfast,
15:06then we're going to do film session,
15:07then we're going to talk about the rules
15:09and how they're different from college to the NFL.
15:11They're right on that tent as you walk back in from the field house.
15:16And you would know, but you're never there.
15:17No, I would know because I've been in the VIP tent.
15:20Congratulations on all the wizard success.
15:22It seems like I've been invited more than Deion has to the VIP tent.
15:27Does that mean that that's a problem with Deion?
15:29No, I didn't say there was a problem.
15:31So what would hurt about calling Deion Sanders?
15:34You got to remember what I said.
15:34I did not say there was a problem with the meeting or anything like that.
15:38I also don't think Kevin needed to go out of his way to invite him up
15:41to have some huge one-on-one, like I don't, it's a fifth-round pick.
15:45I don't know if he did.
15:46His four-string quarterback.
15:47Did Deion say that he wanted to be flown in and wined and dined
15:50and be sat down in an office?
15:52He's the one complaining.
15:54You know I'm going to stop short there.
15:56But I want to know.
15:59He seems smitten.
16:00He seems like his feelings were hurt.
16:02He's the one that seems like, oh, they didn't reach out to me.
16:04Okay, well.
16:05What do you guys think?
16:06I want to ask you guys.
16:07What do you guys think?
16:08The franchise that's been on its ass at the quarterback position
16:10since Bernie Kosar.
16:11Maybe they should do all their due diligence.
16:13Maybe give the head coach a phone call.
16:14What's a phone call?
16:15Oh, so you don't think they're working hard enough.
16:16You don't think that Kevin Stefanski put the time in?
16:19Was it Andrew Barry?
16:20Maybe if Kevin called him, Kevin wouldn't be in Atlanta right now.
16:25He's the one guy that's still here.
16:27If we're going to take things to the umpteenth degree, I'll take it too.
16:29Kevin would be John Robinson expected to win more games than the Browns this year.
16:32Boy, it seems like he really fell out of luck.
16:34Well, they're a little further along than we are, aren't we?
16:36With a new contract.
16:36Isn't that why Raheem Morris got fired?
16:37With a more lucrative contract.
16:39Boy, things have not worked out for Kevin, have they?
16:41No.
16:42Maybe Kevin.
16:42Do you think Kevin wanted to pick up and move and pack up and move?
16:46If we go to Atlanta?
16:47The day he lost his job.
16:48By the way, just sold us home for two point something million.
16:51The day he lost his job.
16:53Congratulations on all your success.
16:55Immediately, it was on job interviews.
16:57Apparently, the league feels higher about Kevin and something.
16:59Are we doing about last night?
16:59Are we just fighting this?
17:01We're fighting this, aren't we?
17:02You got to read.
17:03You got to read the one tweet before we take the call.
17:07You got to read the one.
17:09Sean got me good.
17:10As always, brought to you by Shiba Jewelers, Stephen's premier jewelry store, social media
17:14reactions.
17:16Sean T2167 says, Ken wants parent-teacher conferences for rookies?
17:22No.
17:23Yeah.
17:24Why not?
17:24What the hell?
17:25This image I'm seeing online currently of Daddy Day at Browns training camp.
17:30It's a one-on-one time with the coach.
17:33Oh, it was Anthony Lyman.
17:34This is why I signed the data center petitions.
17:38You don't want these out there?
17:39It's because I don't want Lama zinging me on the internet.
17:41He did that in like four seconds.
17:44It is quite good.
17:48Who is Jackson's dad?
17:49There's always like four terrible glitches that truly make it AI slob.
17:53Yeah.
17:54I'm looking for the five, spot the five differences right now.
18:01216474-0092.
18:03All right, let me go to the phones.
18:08Should Deion Sanders get to talk to Todd Munkin?
18:11Is that what you're asking?
18:13Is that what you're asking?
18:14That we had both agreed.
18:16We had no problem with that.
18:18Where we started arguing was, did Kevin make some egregious mistake?
18:23People did add, you know, Deion was going through it last year, big time, health-wise.
18:27So, I don't know how much time Deion would have had to do that.
18:32But was this some seismic error by Kevin not to include Deion?
18:39And all the points I was making was that Shador was like four string.
18:43I understand.
18:44But I don't know how much time you're devoting.
18:47When you get fired, it all just gets piled on.
18:49It all gets thrown on top of the pile.
18:53So, because he got fired, it's like, what could you have done to do things differently?
18:56What could you have done to do things better?
18:58Not have four quarterbacks.
19:00It probably wasn't a great setup.
19:01Excuse me.
19:02There's no probably about it.
19:02It wasn't a great setup for anybody.
19:03Shador was never going to save Kevin's job last year, even if he would have started week one.
19:08But it wasn't a good setup for Shador.
19:10It wasn't a good setup for Kevin.
19:12It certainly wasn't a good setup for Dylan Gabriel, who's still here, oddly enough.
19:18I mean, good God, you want to talk about disrespect for crying out loud.
19:21Like, I felt bad for him yesterday.
19:23They literally are wearing the same number.
19:25He looked like a father and son at a Browns game.
19:28I'm sorry.
19:29I didn't mean it like that.
19:31I did not mean it like that.
19:33I know that came off really mean, but I didn't mean it to do it like that.
19:35Well, are they going to call Jared Burst to see his thoughts on Dylan Gabriel?
19:41Paul and Kent, you're first up on the fan.
19:43Hello, Paul.
19:44Hey, good morning, guys.
19:45Hey.
19:47Hi.
19:47Yeah, I mean, the lack of due diligence by Stefanski is absolutely ridiculous,
19:53because if you have Deion Sanders, who's played with Troy Aikman, Steve Young,
19:59a multi-Super Bowl chap, Hall of Famer, and a good coach, it's just due diligence.
20:06I mean, Stefanski waited to play his best quarterback.
20:10Guys get drafted late in the draft.
20:12Guys do get picked up because they're friends with coaches and things like that.
20:16That's not crazy.
20:17Right.
20:18Well, my thing is, here you have Joe Flacco and Dylan Gabriel.
20:22They both got outplayed by Shadora Sanders.
20:25And then turn around, and Joe Flacco plays really great – well, not really great,
20:30solidly, markedly better with Cincinnati.
20:32And you heard from Dale Reiter when he's like, I'm not sure what they're seeing.
20:36Why is Shadora not playing, especially over Dylan Gabriel?
20:39Stefanski had 13 quarterbacks in six years.
20:42He seemed to have, like, a personal issue with two of them, Baker and Shadora.
20:46Why is that?
20:47I wish I could tell you.
20:49I cannot tell you why.
20:51I mean, he won games with Baker.
20:53They went to the playoffs, and they won a season again.
20:56And he seemed to have a public issue back and forth.
20:59I think a lot of guys had issues with Baker.
21:00I think Miles Garrett had a public issue with Baker.
21:03None of them are head coaches.
21:06You're not talking about head coaches.
21:07You're talking about other players.
21:08But what was the – you said seemed to.
21:11Do you have anything to back that up?
21:13You said seemed.
21:13Seemed carries a lot of weight there.
21:15When he had those – when Baker Mayfield had that injury to his shoulder
21:19and it kept coming out with conflicting discussions and arguments,
21:24you could even feel it.
21:25Like, does he not like Baker at a personal level or something?
21:28And then you had this with here with Shadora.
21:31Like, that's really weird for your best quarterback to be –
21:36Well, Paul, this is an explanation.
21:38This is an explanation.
21:39Not a – you know, and I don't know the true answer, okay?
21:42I'm just trying to explain it, but I do know some things about that season.
21:45I can't say much to last year, all right?
21:47That was a wild year.
21:48I mean, the numbers I see –
21:49It's silly.
21:50You're talking about the team that he was the best on the team.
21:53The numbers I'm looking at right now is he was dead last among all quarterbacks
21:56last year that qualified by almost every metric.
21:59That's why you watch.
22:00What happened to Joe Flacco?
22:01I watched.
22:01It was pretty bad, dude.
22:03It was not good with Shadora.
22:04Yeah, but it wasn't as bad as Joe Flacco and Dylan Gabriel, correct?
22:07Shadora had the easiest of schedules in terms of the defenses he played against.
22:11I'll tell you about –
22:11What?
22:12Go ahead.
22:13No, that's fine.
22:14Paul, I got to let you go because I want to try to fit Fawn in here.
22:16Do you not think that maybe Bill Musgraves, who was the quarterback coach,
22:20who Dion had talked about publicly being a fan of,
22:24had talked to Dion at some point?
22:25Well, I hope so.
22:26We don't know that.
22:27We don't know for sure, but I'm guessing we did.
22:29Did Andrew Barry talk to Dion to gather intel?
22:34I don't know.
22:35Right?
22:35I have no idea.
22:36I'm sure he did.
22:37Well, I can't assume anything with you sitting next to me.
22:39I would assume when they flew out there and had dinner and all that,
22:42they talked to him.
22:43Right.
22:43My theory is I do believe in the Baker season where the wheels came off.
22:49I'm sorry, but the Baker season where the wheels came off,
22:51I do think Kevin tried to put some things in to protect Baker because of the injury,
22:55and Baker just wasn't doing that.
22:57Okay?
22:58That's just how I – don't come after the messenger here.
23:01I think history has shown that both of them made cataclysmic –
23:06he just should have been benched.
23:07I mean, he just shouldn't have played.
23:08Yeah.
23:09He shouldn't have played.
23:10Obviously, good luck telling Baker that, right?
23:13And maybe the team was in evaluation mode.
23:15We always wondered, like, are they trying to see what a banged up Baker looks like?
23:19Hint's not good.
23:20Had he sat in that season, I'm not getting made fun of with AI slop in 2026.
23:25You think of the ramifications of our world, the butterfly effect.
23:29Hint's not good.
23:29Hint's not good.
23:30Hint's not good.
23:30Hint's not good.
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