00:00Between the guys we've talked about, which is a plenty at this point, Jordan Tyson, Carnell Tate, Omar Cooper, Chris
00:07Bell, Denzel Boston, and now Jeremy Bernard, that would make six.
00:14Confirmed, of the confirmed guys, six of those guys have been wide receivers.
00:17Yeah, and you know, it's funny, we talked to Ashley Bastak about this earlier in the week, and she was
00:22like, well, they don't play games with the top 30 visits.
00:25Like, the top 30 visits, that's what matters the most, they're not going to try to bring people in to
00:29throw people off the center, anything like that, which I get, I understand.
00:34If I was a GM, maybe I'd play that game a little bit, but clearly they're taking wide receivers serious.
00:38Now, are they moving towards that second tier, though?
00:41Are they moving towards the idea that if you take Monroe Freeling at six overall, we've got to figure out
00:46who at number 24 they could end up having?
00:48I mean, I think Denzel makes a lot of sense.
00:50I think Chris Bell and Jeremy Bernard, two of the guys they've had in top 30 visits, those feel more
00:55like 39, and again, we've talked a lot about six and 24, would you go double wide receiver there?
01:02I could easily see them going 24 and 39, or six and 39 to double up on wide receivers, too.
01:08Oh, I don't hate that idea.
01:09Chris Bell, by the way, has been on my no-draft list, my no-fly list for a little bit
01:13here.
01:13Why?
01:13Won't be healthy until midway through the season with the torn ACL, and so he would fall into that category
01:20of guys that, and Monroe Freeling might fall into this, too, where it's like, how serious are you about 2026?
01:26He's in that category of guys that if you take him, the production for his first year is not expected
01:31to be anything, and he's not going to get a legitimate amount of games to even try to showcase what
01:35he can do.
01:36It'd be a move where you're basically stockpiling him and then moving it for 2027.
01:39So I view your first-round picks and your second- and third-round picks as different.
01:46Travis Kelsey, and it was different because Travis was healthy when he got drafted, and then I think it was
01:51an ACL.
01:52In camp, something like that, his rookie year.
01:56But Travis was taken with the first pick of the third round in 2013, and yes, you missed out on
02:03that first-year production, and then he tore off and just became one of the greatest tight ends of all
02:07time.
02:08I'm comfortable with that with a second- or third-round pick.
02:11I'm really not on like a 6-and-24 basis.
02:15And I think that's like, so like Monroe Freeling, I might be able to get comfortable with, well, we'll see
02:20him in 2027.
02:21At left tackle, we had 24.
02:24Under no circumstances.
02:25If you know right now, we would be doing a disservice to the player to put him out there and
02:30practice every day against Miles Garrett and against NFL competition,
02:33and we're going to draft him at 6, and by the way, let's just say the first pick that you
02:37have.
02:38Because if you trade down to 12, and you still take Monroe Freeling, I'm still going to wonder where the
02:43hell that guy is in week 4 if he's not starting yet.
02:45Well, yeah, but wouldn't this kind of coincide with what they seem like if this is a transition year, what
02:51they would want to do?
02:51What do we know about this front office?
02:53They love value.
02:54Value plays, right?
02:55And you're going to have some value based off of guys that aren't going to be able to play this
03:00upcoming season.
03:01And so, like, if you have somebody like, and Chris Bell scares me, if they take someone like Chris Bell
03:05with the idea that he's not going to be able to play much of next year,
03:08and maybe he's out there week 9, week 10, or whatever that is, like, that's them not punting on the
03:14following season,
03:14but not taking it as seriously as a team that is trying to win every game in 2026.
03:18Yeah, I think about this a little differently, just because I think the draft is like a 3- to
03:235-year kind of thing that you're trying to do.
03:25And if you hit on two guys in this draft that you extend, boy, are you doing a hell of
03:30a job in this draft specifically, right?
03:33Yeah, yeah.
03:34But if you do it with two or more players in the top 100, that's what, like, if you took
03:39Freeling at 6 and then Chris Bell at 39,
03:42then I would start to say something stinks to high health here.
03:45And so I stopped in putting out that proposition only because it's like the base is value.
03:51Monroe Freeling still doesn't have value for you.
03:53At 6, there's a reach there that still exists.
03:56And so it's not, like, the rest of the NFL world, if he ends up going 6 overall, isn't going
04:00to look at them and say, like,
04:02oh boy, that was, wow, great value, and you really, you got him at a spot he shouldn't have been
04:06at.
04:07And so that's part of the worry on that.
04:08Like, you're taking a guy you just can't use for next year.
04:10Am I correct to deduce that Denzel Boston is your favorite of the, like, second-tier receivers?
04:16So when I talked about him yesterday, I talked very glowingly, and the only hang-up I have, and I
04:23mean, listen, there's a couple that exist.
04:25I don't love what he did in premier games.
04:28I think I personally took too much stock in that Illinois game.
04:31At the time, they were a top 25 team.
04:33He goes for 130 yards and is awesome in that game.
04:36I think I took too much stock into that one and maybe not enough stock into, like, the Ohio State
04:41game, for instance.
04:42But I can't figure out why I like this guy way more than it seems like the other draft pundits
04:47do.
04:48Yeah, he's probably the guy I struggle with the most.
04:50I know he's not terribly fast, and I get that dox him in a big-time way.
04:55And so is it just, is it the 40 time that's killing him here?
04:59Yeah, I mean, I think speed does, I'm going to say the most reductive thing.
05:03I think speed matters at wide receiver.
05:06And I don't care who knows it.
05:08What's weird about that is that, like, the wide receiver world is making this big.
05:11In the draft community, they're on this big kick of, like, speed is overrated when it comes to all of
05:16these prospects.
05:17Which is then funny, because they'll say speed is overrated, but then they'll slot guys like Denzel Boston into the
05:23spot that would directly tell you they care about speed.
05:25Yeah, I think, that's a wild one.
05:28I think in-game speed is always different than your 40-yard speed.
05:32Listen, there have been a lot of really good, big-bodied receivers who've fallen because they're perceived as too slow.
05:40Michael Thomas was one.
05:41Vincent Jackson out of Northern Colorado going all the way back about 20 years ago.
05:46There is a point that you reach physically as a wide receiver where there becomes a little bit of doubt
05:52in you unless you're like a Quentin Johnson who just ran like a blazing 40 time, right?
05:57Yeah.
05:58I don't, I don't know why.
06:00I just don't, I think he's like, to me, I'm Switzerland on Denzel Boston.
06:05I love the idea of getting a big body wide receiver, but they are of the fail group.
06:11Those are guys who either really hit or just end up out of the NFL.
06:16Yeah.
06:16Whereas guys like Omar, Omar Cooper Jr. and Jordan Tyson, unless injuries happen, hell, you can last 20, you know,
06:2410 years in the NFL as a good, not great player.
06:27Six, four, uh, his 50, 50 percentage is insane.
06:31And like, he found a way to the end zone consistently based off of that as well.
06:34And so like, like I, I, I, I, the part I'm fascinated about is that idea is that I, I'm
06:39way more torn on this than I feel like a lot of the draft pundits.
06:42The draft pundits are just so easy.
06:43They're just so easy to put them in that spot.
06:45And I think there's a lot of talent there.
06:46So like, if you went Denzel Boston at 24 and then you backed it up, this is always difficult.
06:55Cause you're just pulling names out, but like a Zachariah branch later in that, like a third round pick.
06:58Yeah.
06:59You'd get your speed somewhere, right?
07:01Yeah.
07:01So I guess I'd rather err on the side, like, like Makai Lemon being undersized.
07:06I do think matters, especially if he's going to be in the slot.
07:08I'm not saying he won't produce.
07:10He's going to be in the slot.
07:11Like, like, but you've got a small guy, he's in the slot and you don't have a lot of ability
07:15to kick out of that slots slot spot.
07:18I guess I would rather, maybe we'll give it.
07:21I think this is like, everything is like relative.
07:23I think I'd probably rather Denzel at 24 than Makai at six.
07:27Now I do wonder the other side of this.
07:28Uh, well, I don't listen.
07:29Makai might be there at 24 the way that everyone is talking.
07:32Fair.
07:33Like the, I mean, especially after that combine, the way that, uh, the, the NFL world,
07:38is discussing how he did in some of these interviews.
07:41I mean, uh, it's, it seems like he's going to take a fall.
07:44I I'd be interested to see how that goes.
07:46I actually think that's one of the great cop-outs of the whole conversation is that people were conflating
07:50with the media thought, which is why is this guy giving us weird secret sex snake eyes?
07:55And like, that's what NFL teams thought watching the podium.
07:59NFL teams were saying, like, uh, there was somebody I heard that had talked to three,
08:04all the three wide receivers we've keep discussing.
08:06And they're like, they're like, so, uh, it did two of them were great.
08:10And I'm not going to tell you which two, but you, it's easy to figure out.
08:13And it's like, all right, well, which two?
08:15And it's like, well, okay.
08:16It's the two year it's, it's, it's Carnell Tate.
08:18It's Tyson.
08:18They were great.
08:20And then the guy just kind of, it wasn't there.
08:22So my favorite of the second tier wide receivers is actually Omar Cooper jr.
08:28Uh, one, he plays a hell of a lot bigger than six feet tall and he's just kind of an
08:32all
08:33around dude.
08:34Like I just, I love, I love once you get out of like, are you a blue chip or not?
08:39Like I love dudes that are just football players and just can kind of do everything.
08:44And so he's not the fastest guy.
08:47He's certainly not the biggest guy height wiser or body wise, but he is tough as hell.
08:52He does all the things that you need from like a number two wide receiver.
08:56Yeah.
08:57I think he's going to be what I wish Jerry Judy would be, even though Jerry's a completely
09:00different style of wide receiver.
09:01I think he's going to be really popular.
09:02Uh, I, I do wonder if, if Casey Concepcion gets some sort of love just from the, the Todd
09:08Munkin, uh, can't take his eyes off of him camp because, because of the Zay flowers thing
09:14and the comp to being Zay flowers.
09:16I just wonder if Munkin, I wonder if he wants to go to that time in Baltimore and then kind
09:19of bring that here.
09:20Todd, don't let Andrew draft a wide receiver that can't catch.
09:25Okay.
09:26Casey Concepcion seems like the nicest kid in the world and his stuff about his stutter
09:30and his reaction to people teasing him about his stutter, I think was awesome.
09:35The kid and what we've seen of the kid, I think he seems like a real blue chip human
09:41being.
09:41He can't catch.
09:44I cannot watch another receiver that cannot catch, especially if that's going to be the
09:5024th pick or the 39th pick.
09:52And especially if when people talk about him, they go, you know, he'd be a really nice gadget
09:57player.
09:57You can't draft a gadget player.
10:00If you don't have a number one receiver, the only way that gadget players truly work is
10:05if you have somebody, you can't take your eyes off on the outside.
10:09Well, and what's interesting is that sometimes we see these players get better at it, right?
10:13Like they just get, they get better at it.
10:14He's consistently been about a 10% drop rate in everywhere he's been in college football.
10:19It's a, it's a, it's shocking that you can maintain that throughout your entire stretch.
10:23Like even like Carnell Tate, Carnell Tate a couple of years ago, he had drops.
10:26That was a problem for him.
10:27And then you saw last year, I think he had one drop the entire season is what it turned out
10:30to be.
10:30Like you can, you clean it up.
10:32You tend to get better at these things and Concepcion just does not, but I just wonder
10:36if the Zay Flowers thing is going to be too much for Todd Munkin to resist.
10:38Todd, resist.
10:39We beg you.
10:41I watched Anthony Schwartz the first time.
10:44It did literally nothing for me.
10:46And by the way, Anthony was a wide receiver.
10:48People wanted to turn him into a gadget player.
10:50He wasn't.
10:50He was just a bad wide receiver.
10:52I don't need a bad wide receiver and a bad gadget player.
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