00:00And I think it's a sense of frustration internally and externally
00:03from some of the conversations that we have,
00:06some of the segments that go on about the quarterback situation
00:09because every time Nick throws out a name,
00:13it's a name that is wildly, how can I put this?
00:19Jalen Hurts, that's never going to happen, right?
00:21Some of these other quarterbacks we've heard Nick talk about.
00:23I get where he throws out Tanner McKee and people are like,
00:25Tanner McKee.
00:25And the Tanner McKees and this, that, and the third.
00:27It's like, man, come on, Nick.
00:28Like, if it's not anybody but Shadour,
00:32it damn sure sounds like anybody but Shadour.
00:35That's where that narrative comes from, for sure.
00:36Coming from Nick Wilson.
00:38And so, as I got on these airwaves and said,
00:41as you got on these airwaves and said yesterday,
00:44the hypotheticals is cool, sometime.
00:47But we have an obligation to inform our fan base
00:50on what we believe is really going on
00:53and set a proper expectation for the foreseeable future.
00:57This narrative, first of all, the money wouldn't work, okay?
01:01Jalen Hurts has a massive contract.
01:04The money wouldn't work.
01:05The Browns salary cap situation wouldn't allow that.
01:09But since you all want to go hypotheticals,
01:12if even we traded the six pick for Jalen Hurts,
01:15that doesn't put us where we need to be.
01:17The Cleveland Browns are not a quarterback away.
01:19I don't know how many times we have to continue to explain that.
01:23We are not a quarterback away.
01:25And so, this is why these hypotheticals continue to piss people off.
01:30Is it the craziest, stupidest thing I've ever heard on our airwaves?
01:33I've been here five years.
01:35I've heard worse.
01:36I've heard worse.
01:38I've probably said worse.
01:39It is what it is.
01:40But it wasn't the worst thing I heard.
01:43No.
01:44I heard something more ridiculous this week than you did.
01:48Okay?
01:49Here's the thing, Earl.
01:51I think that we have this space.
01:56And what we do on this space is, yes, I think we inform.
01:59But I also think there's room.
02:01And this is the thing that I think gets lost sometimes from the fans.
02:04There is room on this space to just have fun sports conversations.
02:09Sports radio was founded on the theme of the idea of, hey, if you're at a bar with your boys
02:15and everyone has a friend who's got the crazy trade idea.
02:20And they're like, hey, would you do this trade?
02:22And you guys start debating it.
02:24And you go back and forth.
02:25And it turns into a fun little debate at the bar.
02:27Whatever.
02:27Maybe you start getting a little more into each other's face about it.
02:31And then you break.
02:31Whatever.
02:33At the heart of sports radio, that's what a lot of it is.
02:36So, yes, I agree with you.
02:38This was never going to happen.
02:40This was never going to be a thing that is a possibility.
02:42And what I would say about both the hosts in question here, I think Nick is too open-minded, if
02:52you will, to anybody, any other quarterback that's out there.
02:55Because we talked about this.
02:57We talked about it a couple weeks ago.
02:58That was the show that threw out, like, Trey Lance and J.J. McCarthy.
03:01Like, I don't want these guys.
03:02Like, I've got enough questions to answer with this current group.
03:04Like, if you can give me a bona fide answer, which is why I got so triggered about the Jalen
03:09Hurts conversation, because Jalen Hurts would be a bona fide answer.
03:11Whether or not they're ready for him to come in and, like, win immediately, that's fair.
03:15But he's a bona fide answer to the quarterback question that you have.
03:18And, yeah, you've got to build up other stuff around him.
03:20That's why I get so fired up about it.
03:21Because that's like a bona fide, you can tangibly see, he's a good quarterback, that's the answer you'd be looking
03:27for, and then you worry about the rest later.
03:29I think Nick's maybe too open-minded to other options.
03:32I think Ken has kind of closed himself off to any other options, because that's why he's getting so fired
03:38up about this conversation.
03:39And I'm somewhere in the middle where it's like, if you can give me a tangible solution to, we have
03:45these two guys right now that we're not 100% sure on.
03:47Deshaun's trying to revive his career, who knows?
03:49Shador's trying to prove he can be a franchise quarterback.
03:51We saw some good, we saw some bad.
03:53There's a lot that he still has to do.
03:54But if you threw a quarterback in front of me and said, this guy can be your starting quarterback, or
04:00this is an option to trade for, and it was actually Jalen Hurts was a possibility.
04:04I'm not thumbing my nose up at Jalen Hurts, are you kidding me?
04:06Like, in what world does that make sense for a franchise that can't figure out the quarterback?
04:09You kind of gave your opinion of, you feel like Nick Wilson is too open-minded, and that King Carmen
04:15might be a little bit closed off.
04:17I disagree with that.
04:18I think King Carmen is being realistic about what the situation is currently at hand.
04:23Nobody from the outside is coming to save the Cleveland Browns at the quarterback position.
04:27That's a good point.
04:28I'm going to say that again for everybody that's listening and everybody who on March 21st, 2026 still believe this.
04:36There is no outside factor that's coming to save the Cleveland Browns this season at the quarterback position.
04:44What you better hope for, what you better pray for, is that our new head coach gets the most out
04:50of Shadur Sanders, and that we figure out this quarterback one situation this year, so that we can move forward
04:57and start addressing other areas of this football team.
04:59If it don't work itself out, I don't have to regurgitate to y'all what's been said a thousand times
05:05over.
05:05If it don't work out, more likely than not, we're going to be in a situation to where we can
05:10take another swing at it next season.
05:13This is the reality of the situation, and I don't know why people keep getting on these airwaves and saying
05:20things that you know for a fact is going to create some type of false hope in our fan base
05:27mind.
05:28If you say anything on any platform, like enough, no matter if it's true or not, no matter if it's
05:36just your opinion or not, or whatever the case may be, people will take that stuff in, and people will
05:41start regurgitating that information as if it's true or there's a likelihood that it can happen.
05:47And so I think that the frustration comes from that's not reality.
05:51And I think I sit where Kansas City and realizing, more likely than not, this is the quarterback room.
05:58We're going to do a segment a little later about which developmental quarterback coming out the draft do we like
06:03the most.
06:04That is the only type of quarterback that's coming into this current quarterback room that's going to be a part
06:09of the group.
06:09If you are looking for a significant upgrade from what you have or this bona fide superstar to come in
06:17and take over as QB1, it is not happening.
06:21So why do we continue to have conversations around names of people who are not up to par with what
06:27we have now when it comes to being able to compete for the starting job,
06:31or people that's flat out either not coming here on their own or the Browns wouldn't even think about pursuing?
06:37Yeah, listen, like I said last segment, I can understand if Ken's frustration was coming more from a place of,
06:45this is the reality, and I'm tired of just talking about all these other quarterbacks.
06:50Like, I 100% get that.
06:51Because, again, we talked about that on the show, I don't know if it was last week, I don't know
06:55if it was two weeks ago,
06:56the idea that people are now just throwing random names out there because they just want anybody in the quarterback
07:01room,
07:02and I'm not on board with that either.
07:03And I do think we need to, you know, somewhat be based in reality here where, and I think both
07:10of us are,
07:11given everything that's transpired, it definitely looks like, you know, this thing is headed for Shador Sanders and Deshaun Watson,
07:19and maybe they draft somebody, we'll see.
07:21I still think they're adding somebody to the room because they like to carry four quarterbacks,
07:25and I'm sure there's somebody that they're going to add in some capacity,
07:28and that might even mean Dylan Gabriel's not here at some point anymore, so we'll see.
07:31But, yes, like, that is the reality of it, and I think both of us have accepted that reality.
07:38But, you know, not even that we have to spend a ton more time on it, but, like, that topic
07:43is in itself that we,
07:45with the Jalen Hurts scenario, I just found it stunning that people were so close-minded to somebody that would
07:52be a legitimate upgrade.
07:53That was my feeling on it, was if that was even a possibility, how could you be so close-minded?
07:57And the reason I say I think Ken is maybe, I get where Ken's thinking about it from a realistic
08:01standpoint.
08:02The reason I say I think he's maybe too close-minded is that's kind of been Ken's MO this entire
08:06time.
08:07When it was a legitimate conversation around, hey, would you take Kyler Murray?
08:12Again, he probably wasn't coming here, but when that was at least a conversation because he was going to be
08:16released,
08:17and he was going to be free for anybody to sign, Ken said back then he didn't want Kyler Murray
08:20either.
08:21And I said, well, that seems silly. If you can get him on the vet minimum, why wouldn't you if
08:24he's a better quarterback?
08:26And we've seen tangibly that he can be a good quarterback in this league.
08:28Those are the types of things I'm talking about when I say I think Ken's a little too close-minded.
08:32But, yes, Ken is right about the reality that we're living in, and we both have accepted that.
08:37And we can have the fun conversations you want about would you trade five first-round draft picks if this
08:43rule gets approved for Patrick Mahomes.
08:45Yeah, that's a fun conversation for sports radio, but obviously it's not really going to happen.
08:49So I'm with you on where we're at, and I'm with you on where this is heading.
08:53And I'm okay seeing what 2026 is about with the guys that you currently have in the room,
08:57and if Shador can be the guy, because I've always been a fan of Shador and wanted to see him
09:02succeed.
09:02And I think if it doesn't work out, that sets you up for 2027 to figure out what your quarterback
09:07situation is.
09:08I just think more of the conversation should be geared towards, okay,
09:11if we believe that we being the Cleveland Browns because they hired Todd Munkin,
09:16that Todd Munkin is this offensive guru, that he's a guy that's pretty damn good with quarterbacks,
09:22a guy that's pretty damn good at building out a scheme and a system,
09:26then the conversation needs to be more about what can he get out of these guys that Kevin Stefanski couldn't?
09:33What can you do with what you have here, of course, while adding talent everywhere else that unlocks another level
09:40and not just the quarterbacks, but the running back position, you know, the wide receivers, your offensive line?
09:47What is it that you're going to do as a head coach?
09:49What scheme is you going to build out?
09:52Are you going to build out, should I say, as a head coach that allows players to play fast and
09:57physical and think less?
09:58And that is the new challenge, and I think that is what we should be getting the fan base excited
10:05for.
10:06We have spent, it seemed like, every single day since the season ended, what, January 5th?
10:12Talking about these possible replacements, and I get it.
10:17We have an obligation to talk about what-ifs, right?
10:20But we also have an obligation to be realistic about it.
10:24And I'm not saying that Jalen Hurts isn't a clear-cut upgrade over what we have, because he is.
10:29But when you throw that hypothetical out there, you say it's a fun topic.
10:34For some people, that might be fun and entertaining.
10:36For others, that might be irritating and frustrating because they know there's no realistic avenue to that ever-becoming reality.
10:44Yeah.
10:45One, like you said, they're going to ask for multiple picks if that was to ever be a thing.
10:50Two, you've got to consider the money part of it.
10:52That sounds as foolish to me as people saying, after they've seen Max Crosby get traded,
10:58well, how many first-round picks can you get from Myles Garrett?
11:00Do you understand that the Cleveland Browns will be in a worse situation, salary cap-wise,
11:04by trading Myles Garrett because they're just paying him all that money?
11:07Yeah.
11:08These are the things that make people feel like some of these opinions and some of these thoughts
11:12might not be as well thought out as we might think.
11:18Yeah, I get it.
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