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00:00On today's show, our first guest today, Connor, is coming here for life-changing DNA results
00:05after he says his ex, Fiona, slept with four men in the same week.
00:13What? What?
00:17You used to be best mates with him.
00:23She was with him and she slept with him.
00:26How did you get into the equation then?
00:28I was the first one there.
00:32No, you are a lying liar, because I haven't done all of that.
00:37Did you have sex with all of these men in one week?
00:39Well, yeah.
00:44You're the one who was violent. Who got arrested? You.
00:47Why are you on the Jeremy Giles show doing a DNA test if you're paying child maintenance?
00:53The only doubt that we have is because she said that he wasn't.
01:14My friends, good morning. It's never a big, big welcome to the show.
01:17Now, our first guest today, Connor, is coming here for life-changing DNA results
01:21after he says his ex, Fiona, slept with four men in the same week.
01:28Now, three of the potential fathers are here today, and they are all, frankly, desperate to be the dad.
01:32Connor says that his ex-best friend, Matt, one of the other potential fathers,
01:36has completely taken over and even banned Connor from the birth.
01:39And Connor says if DNA comes back that says that he's the real father,
01:42he will be making damn sure that Matt will have nothing more to do with the baby.
01:46This guy is full of strong words.
01:49First on the show, Connor, ladies and gentlemen.
01:54How are you?
01:57How big are you?
01:58Take a seat, Al.
01:59Cheers, mate.
01:59How tall are you?
02:00Six or four, mate.
02:01Brilliant. Thanks very much. I'm glad you sat down.
02:03Right, Connor, we're going to do what we always do.
02:05We're going to get the main people involved.
02:07Hear me out.
02:07I'll set you 22.
02:08You had a five-month relationship with ex-Fiona.
02:11Yeah.
02:12We're doing a DNA test on nine-week-old Hayden.
02:15Yeah.
02:15You say, she cheated on me and slept with three other blokes in one week.
02:20Yeah. Easy.
02:22Easy?
02:23Easy. She said it.
02:24Oh, so did her sister and everybody.
02:26There's only, you said, because you're good at math,
02:29there's 25% chance that I'm the dad.
02:31But despite the fact that I'm in a new relationship with Kathy for a year,
02:35I want to be the dad.
02:37Yeah.
02:37Tell us the story.
02:38How long were you with her?
02:39What on earth would I explain?
02:41Well, I was with her within the first couple of weeks, yeah.
02:44She did sleep around.
02:45Well, why didn't you dump her then?
02:47I didn't know.
02:48Let's talk about the potential fathers.
02:49We have Matt, who is at the moment with Fiona.
02:53Yeah.
02:54He's got a 25% chance,
02:55but you say he's taking over and he's playing dad before anybody knows the truth.
02:58He's playing more than dad.
02:59He's playing God.
03:00What do you mean?
03:00He's controlling her, controlling feed,
03:02telling her not to do the DNA.
03:04I even went out and got a DNA test myself.
03:06You used to be best friends with Matt, didn't you?
03:08Yeah, I've known him for about 10 years.
03:09We've got Bobby.
03:10Tell me about Bobby.
03:11He's a 25% chance as well.
03:12Yeah, I met Bobby a year ago.
03:15So he slept with her, you slept with her, Matt slept with her,
03:17and hey, another who ain't here.
03:18Yeah.
03:18All in one week.
03:23Yeah.
03:23This guy is stopping me getting involved.
03:26I mean, from my point of view, I read the story this morning and think to myself,
03:29thank God we're doing it now when the baby's nine weeks of age, right?
03:32What does Hayden mean?
03:33Have you met Hayden?
03:34No, I haven't met Hayden.
03:35He's nine weeks older and I haven't met him once.
03:38But I said in the introduction,
03:39which I found really weird this morning when we were talking to the production team,
03:42you want to be the dad,
03:44Bobby wants to be the dad,
03:45Matt wants to be the dad.
03:47I've got three of you here today.
03:48You all want to be the dad.
03:49The big question is,
03:50what are you going to do if it's none of you three
03:51and it's a bloke who ain't here?
03:52Well, I want Fee to leave me alone
03:54because I'm fed up of her being harassed by me.
03:57Oh, so what?
03:58She...
03:58All right.
04:00So, I think it's right.
04:02You're...
04:04Thanks.
04:05You're with Kathy,
04:06but what?
04:07She still wants to be with you?
04:08I don't know.
04:09I'm just getting harassed by her.
04:10So, I keep on saying I want to get this over and sorted with.
04:13Which one's Fiona?
04:15Fiona's the middle one.
04:16Right.
04:16And she, you say,
04:17might be with Matt,
04:19but she's still harassing me.
04:21Yeah.
04:21She's got her baby's name tattooed on her chest.
04:23You know, I'm not harassing you, Connor.
04:24You're the one who's harassing me with Kathy in town.
04:26She can get Gobby on Facebook.
04:28I cannot go into town, yeah?
04:30And every time,
04:31I haven't even seen you or Matt or anybody
04:33within the last...
04:34Sorry, can I ask you a question, Fiona?
04:37Fiona, before I bring your latest bow out,
04:40quick question so we can nail this.
04:42Did you sleep with four men in one week?
04:44Well, yeah,
04:45because my head was messed about by all four of them
04:47and I had cancer.
04:49This girl said a point to make
04:51that that did happen.
04:53She's going to explain when she comes out why,
04:55but next on this show is Matt.
04:57This guy is with her.
04:58He's playing God.
04:59He has no right to.
05:00You describe him as violent.
05:02He's done drugs.
05:03He uses the kid as a weapon.
05:04It's all about him.
05:05She's a cheat.
05:06He's all mouth.
05:07And I want the truth.
05:08Matt's next on the car show that way.
05:18You was never fucking there, mate.
05:20I had to step up because she wasn't bothered.
05:22She was born, mate.
05:24I stood up.
05:25I'm always there for that kid.
05:26You and Fee kept on playing God with Hayden, yeah?
05:28I texted you out of the bath, mate.
05:31Oh, come on.
05:32Get out of the aid test, mate.
05:33You was too busy.
05:35Sit down, mate.
05:38Sit down where you belong.
05:41That kid, and I'll make sure he has decent life.
05:43Really?
05:44Yeah, really.
05:45With the grace of respect,
05:46I know we've met before a different story, right?
05:51You're saying I'm this, I'm that.
05:53You don't even know if you're the father either.
05:55No, but I'm the only one either for the kid.
05:58He says he wants to be the father.
05:59No, he really doesn't.
06:00How do you know?
06:01Because he's...
06:02When the kid was born...
06:03You used to be best mates with him.
06:04What the hell are you all doing?
06:06Sleeping with the same woman,
06:07in the same way?
06:09I mean, by anybody's standards,
06:12you can't trust her, can you?
06:13I do.
06:14I love her.
06:15I want to know how it happened.
06:16Were you with her,
06:17and you slept with her behind his back?
06:19No, I was with her.
06:20Then we broke up,
06:21and then them two got together.
06:22He says they were together,
06:23and he was flirting.
06:24No, no way.
06:25Do you not...
06:25...woman who had sex with four different...
06:27Quiet.
06:30I've...
06:31Darling, I know you have a phrase,
06:33I know you have a say,
06:34but the fact is,
06:35right now I'm dealing with this.
06:36You did sleep with four men in one week, right?
06:38Yeah, but that's not my fault, though.
06:39Of course it's your fault.
06:41It's a bit ridiculous.
06:42Who else's fault, is it?
06:43No, it's not.
06:43My head was messed up.
06:44I'm sure your head was messed about,
06:45but there's different ways of acting.
06:48Or were you with her?
06:49What's the truth?
06:49No, I was just friends with her.
06:50He says you're playing God with the baby's life,
06:52and you don't know anything.
06:53I'm really not.
06:54I'm just stepping up to be a dad.
06:55In what way?
06:56Just being there for him,
06:57providing for him,
06:59winding him when he needs wind and feeding him.
07:01Hold on one second,
07:01what happens if you're not the dad, Matt?
07:03I'll still be there.
07:04But what if it is?
07:05What if it's mine?
07:06You can fight for him.
07:08Fight for him?
07:08I don't want to see him.
07:09At the end of the day,
07:10if he's mine,
07:10I'll go and fight for him.
07:11It's not up to me if you get to see him all night.
07:13You came out and you said,
07:15you're this, you're that,
07:16you're not seeing the kid.
07:17Why does your girlfriend sleep around?
07:19Because she was at a difficult stage in her life.
07:21Tell me about that.
07:26This is important.
07:28She had cancer, right?
07:30And her head was all over the place.
07:33She was like really, really bad,
07:36low on herself.
07:36I'm going to say this really, really calmly to you.
07:38Make a point, please,
07:41without everybody shouting.
07:43We have to acknowledge that fact.
07:45I had cancer, I'm married,
07:47I didn't sleep with four women in one room.
07:51I'm not just saying.
07:52However,
07:54however,
07:55it does things to your brain.
07:57Sit down.
07:57Right, so,
07:58we've got here,
07:59we've got,
08:00you were either in a relationship with her or you weren't,
08:03and she slept with him.
08:05You've only got a 25% chance of being the father.
08:08We've also got Bobby.
08:09Do you know about Bobby?
08:10Yeah.
08:10Bobby could be the dad as well.
08:12Bobby's on the Jeremy Kyle show next.
08:20He has got a point now.
08:22Why have you got Hayden's name, yeah?
08:24Because when I found out I had a chance to be a dad,
08:26mate,
08:26I tattooed his name on my arm,
08:28which I'm not.
08:29I don't even know if he's a bitch yet.
08:32Well,
08:33I'm the only one that stood up.
08:34You had every,
08:35both of you had everything.
08:35How are you going to feel?
08:37No, I didn't.
08:37I got blocked.
08:38Do you want to go?
08:39Do you want to go?
08:39Come on, man.
08:47You've got Hayden's name on your arm.
08:50What happens?
08:50Straight question.
08:51If he's not yours because she slept around,
08:53whatever the situation.
08:55What are you going to do with that,
08:56then?
08:56If he still wants me to be there,
08:57I'm going to be there.
08:58What?
08:59Can I have any sort of money?
09:00Hold on a second.
09:01This is brilliant.
09:02Well,
09:02it's not brilliant.
09:03It's awful.
09:03She was with him,
09:04and she slept with him.
09:06How did you get into the equation,
09:08then?
09:08I was the first one there.
09:12You told my team that you knew that she had cancer.
09:17Yeah,
09:17and I was there for her.
09:18I was there down at the hospital every day.
09:20Hold on.
09:21You told my team that because she had cancer
09:25and she was concerned,
09:26you were at it like rabbits because she wanted a baby.
09:29Is that true?
09:29because I wanted to give her what she wanted.
09:31Well,
09:32then how do you feel when you discover that she slept with him
09:34and him?
09:35I was devastated.
09:37I mean,
09:37boys,
09:38can I just make a point before I go to a break
09:40and bring out the woman in the middle,
09:41right?
09:42Do we all not think,
09:43if we're not thinking with our bits,
09:45right,
09:46that this woman's done quite a good job on you all?
09:48Yes or no?
09:49Maybe she played you all off against each other.
09:51I acknowledge,
09:52I acknowledge,
09:54right,
09:54that she was in a difficult place.
09:56You were playing her,
09:56mate,
09:56cheating on her all the time.
09:57I was always playing her.
09:58You were cheating on her all the time.
10:01You told my team you reckon he slept with 300 women?
10:05He said that to us.
10:07I was going to sleep with other women,
10:09yeah?
10:10Went on with Kathy.
10:11So Kathy,
10:12you're with now.
10:13Fiona,
10:13you were with.
10:14Whilst you were with Fiona,
10:15you had sex with her.
10:15You're now with her and bringing up a baby.
10:17You've got the baby's name on your arm.
10:19You only have a 25% chance.
10:21You were having sex all the time
10:22because you wanted to give her what you want.
10:24I'm going to lie down in a dark room
10:25because I'm obviously very boring
10:26but the woman in the middle
10:27is called Fiona.
10:28She's got her baby's name
10:29tatted on her chest.
10:30Steve,
10:31are you keeping up?
10:31I hope you are.
10:32We're back after this break.
10:33Don't go anywhere.
10:34You are a liar
10:36because I haven't done all of that.
10:39Did you have sex
10:40with all of these men in one week?
10:42Well, yeah.
10:43Yes?
10:44You didn't do that to ****.
10:46The DNA test results show that Bobby...
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11:40Welcome back.
11:41Before the break,
11:41we're talking to ex-best friends.
11:43We had Connor.
11:43He was in a relationship
11:44with Fiona for five months.
11:46Somewhere along the line,
11:47she slept with Matt,
11:48who's now with her.
11:50There's a baby,
11:51Hayden, nine weeks of age,
11:52DNA today.
11:53You're looking after the baby.
11:55You're with her.
11:56You've got Hayden's name on your arm.
11:57You're going to get married.
11:58You were with her.
11:59You're not.
11:59You're with Kathy.
12:00You said,
12:00I was at it all the time with her.
12:01There are three of you.
12:02One other who's not here.
12:04Each of you has a 25% chance
12:06of having this child
12:07be yours after today, right?
12:10And you all want to be the father
12:11and all of this.
12:13Now, do not boo this woman.
12:14She says she's got a reason, right?
12:17She's got a reason
12:18that she slept with four men
12:19in one week.
12:19It's because she had cancer.
12:21I've acknowledged that
12:22and I've said my bit.
12:23Fiona's next on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
12:43I didn't even have the money
12:45for the DNA test.
12:46Oh, yes, I did.
12:49You said I didn't even go
12:49and get the test.
12:51Yeah, I paid for it.
12:52Yeah, because I did.
12:53I got the money and everything.
12:55Fiona, welcome to the Jeremy.
12:56Get it for it yourself.
12:57I got the money
12:58and then I said
12:59I got it from five o'clock
13:00and then you were like,
13:01oh, no, it's too late now.
13:02Can you look at me?
13:04Did you have sex
13:05with all of these men in one week?
13:06Well, yeah.
13:08Why?
13:08Well, yeah.
13:09Shh, shh, shh.
13:09You said backstage.
13:11I mean, so.
13:12Why are you having unprotected sex
13:13with every man?
13:14He said desperate.
13:15Because I thought
13:15I can have kids.
13:16That's not my fault.
13:18What do you mean by that?
13:18That's what I thought
13:19that I can have kids.
13:19Right, let's hear it out.
13:20Be quiet.
13:21I have a relationship
13:22with all three of them.
13:24So do you think,
13:25despite the fact,
13:26and I acknowledge,
13:27I've done it on camera,
13:28that you had a cancer scare
13:29and you were told
13:30that you might not be able
13:31to have kids.
13:32I answered that in this way
13:33and I'm not having a go.
13:34I'm being honest.
13:35I can say this
13:36because I had cancer
13:36a year and a half ago.
13:37I didn't jump into bed
13:39with four women.
13:40But these were all friends.
13:42And what we've now got is
13:43a war.
13:43Yeah, but that's not
13:44what I thought
13:44they fell out.
13:46I wasn't friends with him.
13:47No, he wasn't.
13:48Connor says,
13:48he wasn't friends with him.
13:50Let's move it on.
13:51Connor says that
13:52you're harassing him.
13:53No, I know.
13:54Are you still in love with Connor?
13:55On Facebook,
13:56I'll get a message.
13:56Yeah, a message about Hayden.
13:58I said,
13:59why don't you send him
14:01a message about Hayden?
14:02About the DNA test.
14:03All right,
14:03do you believe he's the father
14:04or do you just hope?
14:05What on earth
14:06has he got that on his arm for?
14:07Because we're saying
14:08that they'll have to go
14:09to see him.
14:10Well, why would they have to go
14:11to court if they're the father?
14:13well, I don't want them
14:14to see him.
14:14Why is that?
14:15Why?
14:15Well, because,
14:16what right have you got
14:17to say that?
14:18It's because they've got
14:18stuff wrong with their heads.
14:20He said to my mum.
14:21So why didn't you think
14:21about that before
14:22you had unprotected sex with them?
14:24Because they didn't tell me.
14:26They didn't tell me
14:27that they had stuff wrong
14:28with them until the afterwards.
14:30Bobby says he was there
14:31for you when you were ill.
14:33That's what he said.
14:34No, he wasn't.
14:34Really?
14:35You came from the hospital?
14:36No, you came to my hospital.
14:37You were kissing me
14:38in front of my dad
14:39so we weren't even going out.
14:40You weren't obsessed
14:41with your ex-girlfriend still.
14:43Why didn't you say
14:44no, don't kiss me?
14:45Because I was depressed
14:46off that.
14:46Were you in love with her?
14:47I started to.
14:48She mugged me off like that.
14:49Do you not?
14:50No, you...
14:51Oh, funny that.
14:52When I got my cancer money
14:54or whatever,
14:54I spent it all on you
14:56for your clothes.
14:57Can I stop you there?
14:58Can I stop you there?
14:59Cancer money,
15:00thief, yeah?
15:01No, not a cancer
15:02because he was the one
15:03which took...
15:03What's your relationship?
15:04The man who was
15:05drinking straight after?
15:06I know.
15:07Do you remember me?
15:08Is it true that...
15:09Hello, is it true
15:10that when you were pregnant
15:11you had sex with six men?
15:12No, it wasn't true, actually.
15:14How many?
15:14No, because I was
15:15in and out of a relationship.
15:16And she asked me for sex.
15:18No, because I was in a relationship.
15:19while she was pregnant?
15:20Yeah, while she was pregnant.
15:21You asked...
15:22Oh, no.
15:23No, you asked me.
15:24When you became...
15:25No, you asked me, actually.
15:27And I said, no, friends.
15:28No, no, Conor's...
15:29Hold on, shush.
15:30He's with Kathy now.
15:32Yeah, I don't care about that.
15:33I'm getting married
15:34to Matt and everything.
15:35And so, I'm sure you are.
15:36So, Kathy and you have been together a year.
15:38Did you have sex with her
15:39while she was with Kathy?
15:40No, I didn't.
15:41He said she was...
15:42He's cheated on every girlfriend
15:43what he's been with.
15:44And you're not exactly
15:44a paragon of virtue, are you?
15:46No, well, I thought she did.
15:47I'm not an option.
15:48She's a accuser.
15:49Right, hold on.
15:50Let's get Kathy on the Jeremy Kyle show.
15:52She's next.
15:53I'll go ahead, babe.
16:02I'll go ahead, babe.
16:19I'll go ahead, babe.
16:21I'll go ahead, babe.
16:21In front of five people, yeah?
16:24Why would you do that
16:25in front of the child?
16:26I don't do that.
16:27Really?
16:28I don't.
16:30Kathy, Kathy, just sit down.
16:32Just whatever.
16:32Sit down.
16:34Conor, sit down.
16:35Bobby, Matt, sit down.
16:36Oi, oi, big man, sit down.
16:38You've been with him a year.
16:40Yep.
16:40Right.
16:41I mean, I've got a story
16:42of a woman
16:43who, blaming it on a cancer scare,
16:45which I acknowledge and accept,
16:47slept with four men in one week.
16:48Three are on my stage
16:49and one isn't, right?
16:50Conor says he tried to do everything.
16:52She mugged him off.
16:53He's been with you a year.
16:54He also says that in that year
16:56she's been harassing him,
16:57asking him for sex.
16:58What do you know to be the truth?
16:59Right, well...
17:01I'm asking her.
17:02I actually had feelings for him.
17:02When I first got with him in September,
17:04I said, give me your phone.
17:06So I pretended to be him
17:07and she was planning on meeting him
17:08up on the Plymouth.
17:11No.
17:12Don't even...
17:13Because I knew it was you.
17:15I think it's actually...
17:17I think it's actually very...
17:18Yeah, no, because I was actually
17:20going to stand up, actually.
17:22I'm going to have to say this.
17:23It's not about all of you, that.
17:23It's about a baby.
17:25I am actually...
17:25You just don't think about my baby.
17:27I am.
17:27Yeah, I am.
17:28That's the reason why I tried for a baby.
17:30It is very clear that you're not doing it...
17:40Matt, help me out with something, Matt.
17:42Right, you've acknowledged and admitted
17:44that Fiona, and you've given us your reason,
17:47has not been the most...
17:50nun-like character I've ever had
17:52on the Jeremy Kyle show.
17:53You're on stage on television
17:55with two blokes who have had sex with her
17:57and might be the father of Hayden,
17:59and fair play you're doing it at nine weeks.
18:00She's just said she sleeps her own.
18:02There must be a part of you right now
18:04that's worried that she'd do exactly the same to you
18:06as you've done to everybody else.
18:07Why are you shaking your head?
18:08I'm with my son as my partner every day.
18:11He's a mug.
18:12Absolute mug.
18:13Sorry, but...
18:16So you...
18:17So you think she's cheated on him anyway?
18:20She's...
18:20Of course she's cheated on him.
18:22Yeah.
18:24What's your sister called?
18:25Sarah.
18:26Sarah's next on the Jeremy Kyle show.
18:27She's coming out now.
18:35Where the hell have you been?
18:37Well, I haven't even been able to get that.
18:39I haven't even been able to do anything
18:41because I've been kept that...
18:43Nice to see you again.
18:44The baby's your nephew,
18:46and where the hell has he been?
18:47I don't want to upset you.
18:48Where the hell has he been?
18:50Where's there another,
18:50and where's he been?
18:51She had sex with four men, love.
18:53Yes, yes.
18:55But...
18:55He had...
18:56Yeah, but he had a chance
18:57to go up to Fiona and say,
18:59right,
18:59I want to sort out now.
19:01He hasn't thought in, doesn't he?
19:02He did.
19:02What about him?
19:03What about him?
19:04I've got my face.
19:06I've got my face.
19:07I've got my face.
19:07I've got my face.
19:08I've got my face.
19:08I've got my face.
19:09Really?
19:10I've got my face.
19:10I've got my face.
19:11Maybe you're going to have a cut.
19:12Do I know?
19:13It's because you keep on having it going.
19:15Because you're trying to get it for free all the time.
19:17One at a time.
19:18Go on.
19:18Connor went to the first scan.
19:20Right.
19:20So, he's not doing nothing now.
19:22Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
19:24Hold on.
19:25He went to the only three of the other ones.
19:26Oi, shut up.
19:28Who went to the first...
19:28Be quiet.
19:29Who went to the first scan?
19:30Connor.
19:31Connor went to the first scan.
19:32That's him not doing nothing now.
19:32Who went to the second scan?
19:34Nothing else.
19:34I went to the 27-week scan.
19:36You are.
19:36You were the first one,
19:38and then he came to the next few scan.
19:40You're playing with the head speed.
19:41I think you're hedging your bets.
19:43I think you're terrified he's not...
19:45This...
19:45A tattoo.
19:46Are you going to get one if Hayden's yours?
19:48If he's mine, he's going to be mine.
19:50But I'll look after him, yeah.
19:52How do you feel about that?
19:53Don't bother me.
19:54Brilliant.
19:55What about you?
19:56You were outside of the rabbit.
19:57I was kept in the dark for three months.
19:58Yes, I know you were kept in the dark.
20:00No, I didn't even know that.
20:01But you could be the father.
20:02What the hell are you all going to do
20:03if it's a another?
20:04I'm sorry.
20:05She goes on about how she was ill,
20:07and I acknowledge that.
20:08But she had unprotected sex
20:10with four men in one week,
20:11and it falls...
20:12I'm not sticking up for this lot.
20:14They should have put something
20:15on the end of it.
20:15But she shouldn't have had sex
20:17and put herself in this position.
20:19Should she?
20:24Sit down.
20:26We've done drugs tests
20:27on the three of you boys.
20:29And we've done that before we do the DNA.
20:31We'll start with Matt.
20:32We'll do the drugs test.
20:33Can't wait to hear you.
20:34Oh, that's druggie.
20:35Really?
20:35Yeah, really.
20:37I don't know we are.
20:38I don't know we are.
20:39Well, it's quite interesting.
20:40We'll start with Matt,
20:41and he was completely clear
20:42on the drugs test.
20:43You did a drugs test as well.
20:45He was totally clear as well.
20:46Oh, Connor.
20:46Yeah, that's lovely.
20:49And what did you just say?
20:50You said you thought it was rich.
20:51Why is it your test show cannabis then, eh?
20:54I admitted it beforehand.
20:56Oh, right.
20:56But then you can't pass judgment
20:58on tattoo, boy.
20:59No, because apparently he was addicted.
21:01I've got to know.
21:01Oh, apparently you were addicted.
21:02Right, so we have the scenario, right?
21:04You would acknowledge, would you not,
21:06the sleeping with four men in one week
21:07and maybe six when you're pregnant
21:08is not the way to behave, love.
21:09Yeah, I do regret it.
21:10Right, who do you want to be the father?
21:12Matt, obviously.
21:12Yeah.
21:13And how's he going to work, love,
21:14if he isn't the father?
21:15Well, I don't want them to be in contact
21:18because, like, you should have known.
21:20You should have seen what they were like
21:22whilst I was going out with them.
21:23Steve, could you do me a favor?
21:24I'm going to do something for you, right?
21:25There is Hayden.
21:27Right, there's Hayden.
21:30Right, everybody calm down.
21:31Right, I'm going to bring you a picture of Bobby
21:33when he was a baby.
21:34Do it now.
21:37Yeah, I was chubby, I don't care.
21:39You were chubby, weren't you, son?
21:41Did you get out of that swing?
21:43We got a picture of Connor when he was a baby.
21:47Oh, look at the ears.
21:49Cheers.
21:50Where did you get that from?
21:56Any thoughts?
21:58I'll tell you one thing I will acknowledge.
21:59At least you're here and finding out the truth
22:01for your baby
22:01and at least you've got a man
22:02who wants to stand by you
22:03but I have to say
22:04we've had to also say about the behavior.
22:06Now, we'll bring it down for a reason
22:08because this is about that baby.
22:10It's not about, okay,
22:11a whole bunch of people
22:12in Plymouth running around.
22:14You are all as guilty as each other.
22:16It is not right to stand here and say
22:19oh, it's the girl's fault.
22:20She was in a vulnerable place.
22:21She should have known better.
22:23You boys all took advantage of that situation.
22:26That is a fact.
22:27Can you give me those DNA results, please?
22:31I'm going to start with you, Bobby.
22:32You said that you knew that she was ill.
22:35You were in a relationship with her
22:36and you basically wanted to give her what she wanted.
22:38You're shaking like a leaf, son.
22:39What does this mean to you?
22:43So much.
22:44I didn't even know.
22:46When did you find out?
22:49Three months down the night she was pregnant.
22:51Steve, can you meet to one side?
22:53Have a look.
22:54That could be your child.
22:57And you were there for her when she was ill?
23:00Nick and her money, yeah.
23:02Is he not wronged in this?
23:04Oh, really?
23:05Excuse me.
23:06Is he not wronged in this, Bobby?
23:09Would you not acknowledge that right now, Fiona?
23:12He's had every choice when you're in it.
23:13He has.
23:14I haven't had any choice.
23:16The DNA test results show that Bobby...
23:21It's not your baby, my friend.
23:29And while I go to a break,
23:30I want you all to think of one thing
23:31because obviously we've now narrowed it down.
23:34There's you two on stage,
23:35Matt that you're with,
23:36Connor you were with.
23:38But let me say this,
23:39whether you like this or not,
23:40because he's backstage with Graham.
23:41All of you.
23:42His reaction is what happens
23:44when you sleep around.
23:46I'm back with more.
23:47Don't go anywhere.
23:48The DNA test results show that Matt...
23:52The DNA test results show that Connor...
23:55Well, well, well.
24:00He hit you in your stomach
24:01whilst you were pregnant.
24:02Yes.
24:02And then he slapped my mum across the face as well.
24:05You're the one who were violent.
24:06Who got arrested?
24:07You.
24:12You.
24:17Welcome back.
24:18We're trying to find out who Fiona's baby dad is.
24:21One of them, Bobby, she was with,
24:23got very emotional,
24:25ran off.
24:25He's been with Graham during the break.
24:26You all right?
24:28Yeah.
24:29That really affected you?
24:31Yeah.
24:31Why?
24:32Spent all that time believing.
24:36You said that you were there for her.
24:38You said that this meant an awful lot to you.
24:40Okay?
24:41Yeah.
24:41We have to find out the truth for the baby,
24:43not for anybody else who said that.
24:45You happy to come back out when we do this?
24:47Yeah, yeah.
24:47Give me a round of applause, those gentlemen.
24:49Go on.
24:54Right, here's the thing, right?
24:55The shouting, the screaming, the posturing stops.
24:59At least, as I said at the beginning,
25:02this was done at nine weeks of age.
25:04We've all acknowledged the mistakes we've made.
25:05Why are you looking like that?
25:07May?
25:08Yeah.
25:08Because I'm thinking, holy...
25:11There are still three potential fathers.
25:13Your chance of being a dad's gone from 25% to 33%.
25:17Three and a third percent.
25:18Who do you think it is?
25:19I know who you want it to be.
25:20Who do you think it is?
25:21Sat next to you, and next is Matt.
25:23How long have you been in a relationship with him?
25:26Well, it's been on and off for five years now.
25:28On and off, and you're going to get married.
25:29He's got the name of your baby on his arm.
25:32You said, more than anything, I wanted Matt to be the father.
25:35The DNA test results show that Matt,
25:38you're not the child's biological father.
25:40Well, I'll always be the dad anyway.
25:45What do you mean, he'll always be the dad?
25:47He's always been there for him since he's been born.
25:50Can we stop?
25:51Can we speak to the man, please,
25:53who has been defending his girlfriend?
25:54Be quiet.
25:56The same as Bobby.
25:57It upsets you.
25:59It became a war about an innocent child.
26:01These are the results of your actions,
26:03however we dress this up.
26:04You've got to understand, my friend,
26:06it's a horrible thing that you're not the father.
26:09Is that going to affect your relationship?
26:12You're going to have to allow the dad
26:15to take a role.
26:17I don't know why you're shaking your head, love,
26:19because your child is not a weapon.
26:21It's a human being.
26:21No, I know it's not a weapon.
26:22I'm not using it as a weapon.
26:25There are still two potential fathers,
26:2850% now.
26:31Bobby, devastated.
26:32Matt, devastated.
26:34Four men in one week.
26:35These are the results of those actions.
26:37There's the baby.
26:38We see your baby photograph as well.
26:40Have you got Connor's baby photograph for me, please?
26:47The DNA test results show that Connor...
26:50Well, well, well.
26:53You are the child's biological father.
27:05Now, the one thing that we do,
27:07and I hope we do it in the right way, is this.
27:10And don't get upset, any of you.
27:13Said my bit.
27:15This is the result of what people do, right?
27:18Say every day, I sound like an old man.
27:20If you have unprotected sex, you will get pregnant.
27:22You have every right to be in a relationship.
27:25But you have to acknowledge, my darling,
27:27that because of what happened,
27:29that is his child.
27:31And whatever you and she think,
27:33whatever you think of her,
27:35I'm sure you've done things you regret.
27:36I certainly have.
27:38Hayden is the most important thing.
27:40And boys, you were once friends,
27:42you have no right to stop him from seeing his kid.
27:46And I have to say this, Fiona,
27:48neither do you.
27:49But on the other hand,
27:50you have no right to be involved
27:52and be shouting around.
27:53I know you're sick.
27:53And if you want to be what you say you want to be,
27:56you'll have to stop being aggressive to her partner,
27:59you'll have to stop slagging off the mother,
28:01and all of you are going to have to have your heads banged together
28:04and act like adults
28:05because when you produce a life as you have,
28:08it's the least he expects, isn't it?
28:10What do you want to say?
28:13What do you want to say?
28:13Just for being there for the first couple of months.
28:19Guys,
28:21I can't wait to say one other thing.
28:26Can I go see him?
28:27I haven't seen him in two months.
28:28I haven't even met him yet.
28:31Don't look at Matt, love.
28:33Can he meet his son?
28:35Please?
28:37And we will work with you.
28:38Look at me.
28:38Fiona, look at me.
28:39Look at me.
28:40Look at me, right?
28:42We will work with you.
28:43One of the things that I've said about this show from day one,
28:45I would much prefer all of this
28:49came out in a controlled environment
28:51and that we spent time with all of you getting the truth
28:54and then talking to you about the responsibility
28:56and putting in place,
28:57look at me, darling,
28:58a plan
29:00that doesn't suit you,
29:02doesn't suit him,
29:03doesn't suit you,
29:04suits Hayden.
29:05If he is a waste of space,
29:07Hayden will suss it out.
29:08If he's all right
29:09and he's mature
29:09and he can step up
29:10and she keeps her nose out
29:11and those two stop shouting at each other,
29:13Hayden will benefit.
29:15Can he meet his son, please?
29:17Yeah.
29:18Yeah?
29:22You?
29:23You?
29:24You.
29:25Come and meet.
29:26In the green room?
29:27Come on.
29:27Come and meet your son
29:28for the very first time.
29:32Okay?
29:33And from the moment you walk through this door,
29:36all of you, right,
29:37it has to stop
29:39because he deserves more.
29:41Come and meet.
29:42Come on.
29:43Come on.
29:44You're the mum.
29:45This is your son.
29:47Never met him.
29:48Hayden.
29:50And let me tell you on camera,
29:51this woman's a great mum.
29:52I've heard nothing but that
29:53from everybody all morning.
29:55Is he all right to hold his son?
29:56I know it's difficult for you.
29:58Is that okay?
29:59Please.
30:00Is that all right, Fiona?
30:01Oh, dear.
30:02Oh, dear.
30:02Little mum.
30:04Come here, darling.
30:06Come here.
30:07Come here.
30:07Come here.
30:08Come here.
30:09Come here.
30:09You say it.
30:10Great respect for you doing this.
30:12Oh, thank you.
30:13Okay.
30:13I know it's unideal, right,
30:15but look at me.
30:16Look at me.
30:17Hayden is the most important thing.
30:20And I'll tell you one thing
30:21I will acknowledge on camera.
30:23At least you came here
30:24to get the truth for your son
30:27knowing what you know now.
30:29But this is important.
30:30And, Matt,
30:31I know it's difficult,
30:32but this doesn't have to mean...
30:33Listen to me.
30:36You adults have to think of Hayden.
30:40Your relationship,
30:41can it survive?
30:43Can it?
30:43Yeah.
30:45And you have to.
30:46I like the way that you shook his hand.
30:48What do you say to your son?
30:49Will you be there for him?
30:50No.
30:52I will.
30:53I'll tell you what we'll do.
30:54Graham and the team will work with you
30:55and we will organise contact
30:57that suits everybody.
30:59Okay?
31:00We'll keep a very, very close eye.
31:01Matt, fair play.
31:03Not easy for you, I know.
31:05Well done.
31:06Thank you for coming on the show.
31:07And, Fiona, listen to me.
31:09Come here.
31:09I really, really respect the fact
31:11that you came and you found out
31:12the truth for your son.
31:13And I say on camera again,
31:14I know you've been a great mum.
31:16This is not a reason to fight.
31:18This is a reason for you and him
31:20and Matt and us
31:21to work at doing the best for your son.
31:25For him,
31:26that's what we all want.
31:28Okay?
31:28And there is no greater judgment
31:30of a mother or a father to say,
31:32I put my own self to one side
31:35for the sake of this child.
31:36And I think by coming on the show you did today,
31:38we're going to leave you with the Graham and the team.
31:39Give them a round of applause, those gentlemen.
31:40Thank you very much indeed.
31:47And now, my friends,
31:48this is the point of the Jeremy Cowell show.
31:49All that angst,
31:50all that anger dealt with in a controlled environment.
31:53That baby now knows who its father is.
31:55We will work with them and try and sort it out.
31:57We'll keep you updated.
31:57But my next guest today,
31:58Charmaine says,
31:59she's coming to this show
32:00to confront her ex-partner, Paul,
32:02who she says was abusive,
32:03controlling and even violent to her
32:05when she was pregnant.
32:06She says things came to her head
32:07after he threw her
32:09and their two-year-old son
32:10out of their home
32:11in the middle of the night
32:12and made them homeless,
32:14ladies and gentlemen.
32:14She claims,
32:15Paul has abandoned her son ever since.
32:18Despite this,
32:19Charmaine says,
32:20she's done everything in her power
32:21to involve him in their son's life.
32:22But instead,
32:23he's now here saying,
32:24I don't even know if I'm the dad.
32:26She's here for two reasons.
32:27You are the dad
32:28and you better step up.
32:30Charmaine's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
32:31Give her a round of applause.
32:37This is a heck of a story.
32:40Yep.
32:41You and Paul.
32:42Yeah.
32:42A little bit older than you.
32:44How long?
32:44About five years.
32:46First love?
32:47Yep.
32:48You were quite young.
32:49That doesn't really matter,
32:4917 when you got together with him.
32:51You've now been separated
32:52for three months
32:53and it's this son,
32:55basically, Leo.
32:56Yep.
32:57Let's talk about the relationship first
32:59because you made a lot of accusations about Paul.
33:01Yeah.
33:01Well, at first,
33:02it was all right.
33:03Which is always good.
33:05Then I fell pregnant.
33:07Planned?
33:07No, it wasn't planned.
33:09His reaction?
33:10Your reaction?
33:10We were both grateful.
33:12We'll get to you in a minute.
33:13Be quiet.
33:14Go on.
33:14We were both grateful
33:15for obviously having him.
33:18And then it came to,
33:20I was about three,
33:21four months pregnant
33:22and that's when he first hit me
33:23in my stomach
33:24when I was pregnant.
33:24He hit you in your stomach
33:25whilst you were pregnant?
33:26Yes.
33:29And then he slapped my mum
33:30across the face as well.
33:32He slapped you,
33:32he grabbed your hair,
33:33he even slapped your mother.
33:34Yep.
33:35So there in the middle of the night,
33:36right,
33:37after all of that,
33:37he threw you out,
33:38you and your son.
33:39How long ago was that?
33:39Well,
33:40no,
33:40that was while I was pregnant
33:43and then...
33:43Why don't you stay with him
33:44then if he was violent?
33:45Why don't you kick him into touch?
33:46Because I was pregnant
33:47and I wanted him to grow up with,
33:50my son to grow up with a father
33:51because I never did.
33:52But this story centres on the fact
33:54that this kid and you
33:55were thrown out
33:56in the middle of the night.
33:57Yep.
33:58This was back in January
34:00and he came back drunk
34:03and then he punched,
34:05no,
34:05he slapped me
34:06and he chucked me
34:07out of the house
34:08at half two in the morning,
34:09Leo had
34:11one set of pyjamas on
34:12and he wouldn't let us
34:13back in the house
34:14to get nothing else,
34:14a coat or nothing for him.
34:16This girl,
34:16that was three months ago,
34:18everything in that house
34:19they built,
34:19mostly hers,
34:20she hasn't had anything,
34:22furniture, clothes, toys, right?
34:24She left with,
34:25I'll get to you pal,
34:26you'll have your say,
34:27you told us,
34:28I've left with that,
34:29I've been with my mother
34:30and it's been an absolute nightmare
34:32and you say that's a bit rich
34:33that he's saying
34:34that he doesn't even know
34:35if he's the father.
34:36What's that all about?
34:37Well,
34:37I admit I did say
34:38that he wasn't the father
34:40but this was,
34:41this was because,
34:43I'll get you,
34:43stop,
34:43who's that?
34:44That's his sister.
34:46He,
34:47you know,
34:47I said it once,
34:48that was when we were both drunk,
34:50my son was like,
34:51so you've given him
34:51the ammunition once,
34:52is what you're saying?
34:53I said it to the police
34:54to get my son back.
34:55We'll get it sorted.
34:56Steve,
34:56you can watch out
34:57because this man's been violent
34:58to a pause on the Jeremy Carr show.
35:00I guess you won't be applauding him though.
35:07You've got to rest here.
35:08You.
35:08For drunk and disorderly part.
35:10For you.
35:10And why?
35:11For drunk and disorderly.
35:12Because I was drunk.
35:14Yeah,
35:14because you were banging on the window
35:15at two o'clock in the morning.
35:16Yeah,
35:16because I wanted my son back.
35:17Two o'clock in the morning.
35:18My son back.
35:19I wanted to take your kid.
35:20So why would you do that?
35:22Why would you want to take your kid?
35:23Why would you want to take your kid?
35:24Trust him with you.
35:26did he not?
35:26Oh,
35:26with me,
35:27he was with a babysitter.
35:28She told us that your friend to kidnap.
35:30Take a seat.
35:31I threatened to kidnap him.
35:32You and Mel have told you
35:34to threaten to kidnap him.
35:35it does my head in Kerry.
35:37Jeez.
35:39I can't do it
35:40if you shout out.
35:41You're a mum,
35:42you'll have your say.
35:43Please?
35:44It doesn't work.
35:47I need your side.
35:48She says you were violent.
35:50Yeah.
35:50She was violent.
35:51Were you violent?
35:52She was violent.
35:53I hit him once.
35:53She hit me loads of times.
35:55Three times.
35:55I hit you once
35:56and you smacked me.
35:56Three times you did it.
35:57Three times you smacked her mother,
35:59didn't you?
36:00I snapped her mum
36:01and mum pushed me round the kitchen
36:02and she had all of me at home.
36:03Why would you make a girl pregnant?
36:05You talk about the alcohol a lot, right?
36:07Well, yeah,
36:08we went out a few times,
36:09had a drink,
36:09and when we'd come back,
36:10when we'd had a drink,
36:12when you'd throw her out
36:12in the middle of the night,
36:13right,
36:14why don't you give her her stuff back
36:15for the baby?
36:16Well,
36:16I told her that she could come back
36:17and get her stuff.
36:18No, you didn't.
36:19I told her this.
36:20You want to know
36:21what he told us?
36:23I made arrangements
36:24for her to come down.
36:25Where's the good stuff?
36:27It's gone back to where it belongs.
36:29What about the couch?
36:30All Leo's clothes?
36:31All my clothes?
36:32All Leo's clothes?
36:33I made arrangements for you
36:34to come down.
36:36I made arrangements for you
36:37to come down.
36:38You told us you'd given it away.
36:40Yeah,
36:40it's gone to a very good cause.
36:42It's cancer research
36:42because I weren't carrying her stuff
36:44around everywhere.
36:45So why should I?
36:46What about Leo's wife?
36:47He's gone to cancer research.
36:48What about Leo's toys?
36:49Leo's toys there
36:50for when he comes to the season.
36:51He didn't tell us that.
36:51He told us you'd smashed his toys.
36:53I didn't say I smashed his toys.
36:55Did you smash out
36:55one of the dolls or something?
36:56No,
36:57they've gone to cancer research
36:58because why should I walk around?
36:59Why should I walk around?
37:00Why should I walk around?
37:02Why should I walk around?
37:03Why should I have them?
37:04Why should I have them?
37:05I'll give you multiple chances.
37:06No, you didn't.
37:07Is that your mum's show?
37:09I'm having a morning.
37:10Mum Kerry's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
37:12Give her a round of applause.
37:19I was at work
37:24and I got sacked
37:25and I got sacked
37:27and I got sacked
37:29all day.
37:29Do you pay for your child?
37:41Why are you on the Jeremy Kyle show
37:45doing a DNA test
37:46if you're paying
37:47child maintenance then?
37:48Because I was already on
37:50the birth certificate
37:51and the child maintenance
37:52because she wasn't good.
37:53Yeah.
37:53Why did you tell him he wasn't?
37:55Why tell me that I'm not?
37:56Why tell me that I'm not?
37:56Why have you told me
37:57that I'm not as well?
37:58Because I was being nasty.
37:59So what?
38:00Oh, that's not very...
38:01Thank you, Lizzie.
38:02I want to hear your side.
38:03Get your mate.
38:04Who's that out there?
38:05My sister.
38:06Tell her to be quiet
38:07from me, yeah?
38:08This situation
38:09obviously wrong.
38:10I was told he slapped you
38:12and he was violent
38:12to your daughter.
38:13I had my 13-year-old child
38:15at the house
38:16and he physically hit me
38:18and pushed me on the desk.
38:19So you must be delighted
38:20when she left
38:21then with the baby.
38:22Yeah.
38:23I've tried for years
38:24for them to...
38:25Has he bothered?
38:26Every time she got on it.
38:27Every time she went on yours
38:28she got worse and worse
38:29she kept coming back
38:30with more of an attitude
38:31because you were probably...
38:32Yeah, but she was standing up too, yeah
38:34because you were controlling
38:35and making them do...
38:36Yeah, because you were giving them...
38:37You also told...
38:38You also told...
38:38Hello?
38:38You were at all controlling.
38:39He was in nursery park.
38:41You also told my team...
38:45I can't put him in bed if you want to go see it for me.
38:47Paul, you also told my team
38:49you believe her mother Kerry is racist.
38:51What do you mean by that?
38:51Oh, yeah.
38:52When she first came down
38:53if she were down Coventry
38:55she wouldn't be going out with a black guy.
38:56That's exactly what you said.
38:57That's exactly what you said.
38:58You know what you said?
38:59Exactly what you said.
39:00Exactly what you said.
39:01Because I would not go out with a black guy
39:02I'm racist.
39:04I've got no black guys.
39:04She wouldn't be going out with a black guy
39:07if she were down Coventry.
39:08Kerry, the truth is, can I speak?
39:11You've never liked him
39:12and he believes that you've influenced your daughter against him.
39:15That's what he says.
39:17Well, I can carry on thinking that.
39:18I've never liked him.
39:19Do you think your daughter's wise to tell a man
39:21and I don't know about the violence.
39:22I've tried to put both sides.
39:23You've admitted you were violence.
39:25You've admitted you've lied.
39:25If I was violent,
39:26would I have got arrested if I had earned
39:28and the police come down?
39:29Wouldn't I have got arrested?
39:30You told my team you caught her snogging another man.
39:32Yeah, you were putting it on
39:33and you thought of that party
39:34and then he'd come back
39:35and started kicking off from me.
39:36Then he started kicking off from me.
39:37Yeah, I'm not mentioning no names.
39:39I can't mention them, can I?
39:40We've got your sister next, right?
39:42After this break.
39:43Just one thing.
39:44Do you believe this child's yours?
39:46Well, I'm not sure.
39:47I forgot what he's going to say.
39:48Well, there you go.
39:48Well, then don't tell him.
39:50Well, don't tell him he's not.
39:51Why would you tell him he's not then?
39:54You know he's yours.
39:55And he was at Call Me the other day as well.
39:57Darling, I'm not taking any side,
40:00but you cannot sit there, both of you,
40:02and go, you know he's yours.
40:03You know he's yours.
40:04When you're damn well telling both of you
40:06that he wasn't.
40:08DNA and his sister next.
40:10I'm right back.
40:11The doubt that we have
40:11is because she said that he wasn't.
40:13The DNA test results show that Paul...
40:19Hey!
40:20Where are you going?
40:22Test, no block test,
40:23then he's not having contact.
40:25Let's do it.
40:29Jeremy Kyle.
40:34Thank you very much.
40:35Welcome back for the break.
40:36Talking to exes Shamayne and Paul,
40:38Mum, Kerry as well.
40:39There's right and wrong on both sides.
40:41She's admitted to being violent.
40:42She's admitted to being drunk.
40:43She's admitted, as so as her mother,
40:45in telling you that you weren't the father,
40:48which is why we're doing a DNA test.
40:49This painting is a lot of bad blood.
40:51What have you done wrong?
40:52Have you been violent to her?
40:53No, I haven't.
40:53Yes, you have.
40:54No, I have not.
40:57You also...
40:57Hello?
41:00Hello?
41:01It was his sake.
41:02You were so serious.
41:04You also...
41:04You also...
41:05You would have done that.
41:05You would have run the police.
41:06You also...
41:07You run the police all the other times.
41:09So why won't you run the police
41:10in the store while you're pregnant?
41:11You also...
41:11Tell everyone.
41:12You also...
41:13We're involved, if you remember wrong.
41:14You also accused the mother of being racist.
41:17What's your sister called?
41:18Mel.
41:18Let's get Mel on the Jeremy Kyle show.
41:20She's next.
41:25Nice to meet you.
41:26Nice to meet you, Mel.
41:27How are you?
41:28Not too bad, thank you.
41:29You're talking a lot.
41:30Mel, you've hardly been there since...
41:32Listen, how are you doing?
41:33On the phone?
41:34When you was on the phone.
41:34When you was on the phone.
41:35When you was on the phone.
41:35When you was on the phone.
41:36You were in.
41:37You were in.
41:38Yes, you did.
41:38How you got arrested for it?
41:39No, I got arrested.
41:41The job is all the way.
41:43So what?
41:43Because of the way to get legal back.
41:45What time in the morning was it?
41:46Was it your face?
41:47Was it your face?
41:49Yes.
41:49Yes, she was.
41:50So what?
41:51He didn't have care of him.
41:52What are you doing?
41:53He didn't have care of him.
41:54He didn't have care of him.
41:56He didn't have care of him.
41:56He didn't have care of him.
42:17She was being violent.
42:18She's been violent.
42:19She told her to get out of her house.
42:21She told her to get in here.
42:23I won.
42:24I won.
42:24Can I talk or not?
42:25You've had all your say.
42:27I'm talking to her.
42:28Be quiet.
42:29Go.
42:29Right.
42:30Well, what happened to us?
42:30How do we make this better at Mel?
42:32Whatever's right and wrong.
42:33Do you believe he's the father?
42:35Yeah, I'm hoping that he is.
42:36Yeah.
42:36But we do acknowledge that you told him he's not.
42:38The only doubt that we have is because she said that he wasn't.
42:41But you've got to understand that.
42:42That's the only doubt we've ever had.
42:43I'd get my son back.
42:44I told her.
42:45Well, we don't do things like that.
42:46You're sick or what?
42:47There are allegations you also made.
42:49You've lied about the parental stuff.
42:51But you also said that one of the reasons you and Linda were concerned about him was allegations of drugs.
42:58Yeah.
42:59Right.
42:59Nobody else.
43:00What's that based on?
43:01Well, when Leo was like a year old, he started smoking weed again.
43:05And now he's with a girlfriend that's taking drugs.
43:08If that's the case and you're here pretending to be dad of the year, why did you refuse to do
43:11a drugs test when you were offered one earlier?
43:14Could you give me a second?
43:14Because I've been to sit.
43:15Shut up.
43:18Why would you not take the opportunity to nail the rumours?
43:22I've been to all the drug things about her strong test, about everything.
43:26That was bad.
43:26Why should I prove anything else?
43:28Why should I prove anything else?
43:29Right.
43:30First of all.
43:31You've done drugs before.
43:32You've done drugs as well.
43:34Did you do a drugs test?
43:35So you've been on drugs, have you?
43:36Yes, yes, yes.
43:38Well before, Leo.
43:39Stop.
43:39Stop.
43:40Stop.
43:40Be quiet.
43:43DNA.
43:43DNA.
43:44DNA.
43:45You accept, do you not, both of you, that by telling him maybe he wasn't, that's going
43:48to cause problems.
43:49Give me the test.
43:50Stop shouting because he's doing my head in.
43:52Of course it is.
43:52How old's the baby?
43:53Two.
43:53When was the last time you saw this child?
43:55When she got off.
43:56Not her.
43:57One person.
43:58When she got off.
44:01The DNA test results show that Paul.
44:05When was the last time you saw your son?
44:07Your son.
44:12Where are you going?
44:15No drug test.
44:16Then he's not having contact.
44:17You stupid.
44:19You need to calm down.
44:21Come with me.
44:21Come with me now.
44:22And listen to me.
44:23Go on.
44:24Patently there was right and wrong on both sides.
44:26I'm saying he's not the kid.
44:26He's not.
44:27Oi, stop shouting.
44:28Look at me.
44:28Do you want some...
44:30You're going to have to do a drug test to prove to her.
44:32And if you love that boy you'll do it.
44:34Do the drug test, bro.
44:35I do all that.
44:35Come with me.
44:36Come with me.
44:37Come with me.
44:39Come with me.
44:40What are they?
44:43She's got a laugh now, you know what I mean?
44:44Because she is.
44:45Come with me.
44:46Stop talking and listen.
44:47Yeah, go on.
44:48Lots of water under the bridge.
44:49What I'm saying to you is, right, you can nail this.
44:52Not on the show, but on a later date.
44:54Oh, yeah.
44:55I won't come back.
44:55Just listen to me.
44:56If you want to see this kid, keep this and open this.
44:59Go on.
45:00Yeah.
45:00Do you understand?
45:01Right, can we please?
45:02Mum, you're not helping this at all, right?
45:04And you haven't helped him.
45:05I understand.
45:05I've got shared PR.
45:07What's PR?
45:08Why have you got shared PR?
45:09No, you're only.
45:10Yes, you are.
45:10Because I'm the one who's helped my grandpa for the last five million.
45:14Can I ask?
45:15It's not Bubba.
45:16I'm the one who has to pay the money for her to get from Manchester.
45:19I have a threat.
45:20I'll use you today as well.
45:21You're the one who's helped my everything.
45:23Can you do me a favour?
45:24Yeah, tell her to go.
45:25Tell her to go.
45:26Can you do me a favour?
45:27Tell her to go.
45:27If this is, come here.
45:29Well, tell her to go.
45:30Do you accept, and if you don't want to do this, I will just finish the show and your
45:35son will suffer, do you accept that you made some mistakes?
45:38Yeah.
45:38Right, stop.
45:39Do you accept that you made some mistakes as well?
45:41We're talking about two o'clock in the morning.
45:43I haven't got a stick, mate, right, so that you're apparently not working.
45:47Here's the thing, right?
45:49People need to meet in the middle for the sake of the kid.
45:52You and you are emotionally involved but need to just be quiet.
45:56Do you agree that this child has a right to have its father in its life?
46:00If you don't do a drugs test, no.
46:01If you have to do a drugs test away from this show that we organise whilst we arrange contact,
46:07will you do that?
46:09Yeah, of course.
46:09If he passes the drugs test, will you, please, will you work with us and try and make it work
46:14for the sake of the kid?
46:15Get the only get supervised contact, yeah?
46:17No.
46:17Yes, but you don't, yeah.
46:18No, why should I?
46:20I've been locking up for two years, why should I get supervised contact?
46:23I've been his wife all the time.
46:25Darling, with respect, it sounds to me, and I'm not, look, I'm not, please, Mel.
46:29It sounds like you're just all trying to score points.
46:32The most important point is you're the...
46:36Leo is his.
46:37If he does a drugs test and you work with us, will you allow us to try and make it
46:41happen
46:42so he can see his son, yes or no?
46:44You will?
46:44Right.
46:44Happy with that?
46:45Yeah, I will go to see the drugs feed on my...
46:49Listen, we will do it, we'll keep you updated.
46:51Can I just say, it's been a busy morning.
46:53Leo, you're right.
46:55Leo, whatever happens, whoever was right, violence, alcohol, being thrown out, drug tests,
47:00whatever, surely that little boy that we saw on screen deserves better than this.
47:05Yes?
47:06Will he work with us?
47:07Will he work with us?
47:08Will he work with us?
47:08We are out of privacy.
47:10We saw this.
47:11We'll see you very soon.
47:12Thanks for watching, bye-bye.
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