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00:00On today's show, he'd be more of a mother to him than his own mother, Dawn.
00:03Oh, she never cared about him.
00:05She was going out drinking all the time and getting up with a different man.
00:10You are off!
00:11Straight now!
00:14Jamie will try anything to break me up, including making the most ludicrous accusation, which is what?
00:21That's correct, that I've slept with my older brother, then it's a load of rubbish.
00:27It'll be dark.
00:30Why doesn't she need that?
00:32Because there's no one wrong with you.
00:33I'll let him speak, love you.
00:35She says she's got bad legs, bad legs.
00:38She goes into an ankle and starts sla-dropping her out.
00:40Now, hold on, hold on.
00:42What's the slap drop?
00:44Right, let's do it, man.
00:49I've never gone that low in me life, girl.
00:57She's pregnant, everything's fine.
00:59Then out of the blue, you get a text.
01:02It says, do you need to be careful with Rachel?
01:05Because she's been cheating on you and I don't mind you to get a DNA test.
01:08Why have you done it to her?
01:09They haven't done anything.
01:10You know, you're treating her like...
01:12I'm not treating her like...
01:13Yes, you are!
01:14I love that.
01:14You know, gobbling.
01:46Bev says that Jamie's behaviour has got so bad,
01:50she's been forced to call the police and ban him from her home.
01:53Furthermore, she says that Jamie is intent
01:55on splitting up her and husband's relationship
01:57and he's done it by claiming that she has slept
02:00with his older brother behind his dad's back.
02:04She says, I've had enough of his lies.
02:06Today, it ends.
02:07Bev, the step-mom on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
02:10CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:16Nice to meet you.
02:17Nice to meet you.
02:18Take a seat.
02:18You all right?
02:19You want to bung that down there?
02:22Let's do what we always do and lay out who's whom.
02:24Jamie, well, you're married to Paul.
02:26I am, yes.
02:27That's correct.
02:28Jamie is his son.
02:29Yes.
02:32Jamie's half-brother, Ricky, is also here.
02:35Paul is obviously your husband and Dawn's the ex-wife.
02:41Welcome to the show.
02:43He is the step-son from L.
02:44He's 19, time he stood on his own two feet and manned up.
02:47Let's talk about how long you've been with his dad for.
02:49I've been with him for...
02:50I've been married with Paul for about 10 years now.
02:52Right, OK.
02:53So when you met Jamie, he was nine.
02:56Yes, he was a kid.
02:57I brought him up as my own kid.
03:00I bought him gas and electric when he didn't have no food or anything like that.
03:04It's always good for a kid if you buy them gas and electric, isn't it?
03:06I thought you were going to stay at PlayStation for a moment.
03:09I bought him...
03:10I give him £60 for his Christmas box every year and things like that.
03:13I told my team you've been more of a mother to him than his own mother, Dawn.
03:16Oh, she never cared about him.
03:17She was going out drinking all the time and getting off with different men.
03:25You are hot!
03:27Stay now!
03:28Just get away!
03:29Just go away and grow up!
03:31Bec!
03:32Get away, pay!
03:33Just go away, pay!
03:35You need a f***ing necklace with a bog roll around.
03:38Go away, pay!
03:38To wipe your f***ing down.
03:42Obviously, Dawn, who are you?
03:44James.
03:44And who the hell are you?
03:45I'm James Brubber.
03:47All three of you, you want to grow a pair and...
03:50Have you got your cancer sorted yet?
03:52Shut up!
03:52Shut up!
03:52Thank you!
03:53All right, then, barefoot.
03:54It's not to do with you.
03:55You're not a doctor.
03:56All f***ing!
03:58Go away, you pathetic woman.
04:00Go away.
04:03Right, anyway, back to the story.
04:05You've been with him since he was nine.
04:07You've gone without food so he can eat.
04:08Ian and his mum are jealous of my relationship with Paul.
04:12Jamie will try anything to break me up, including making the most ludicrous accusation.
04:18Which is what?
04:20That's correct.
04:21That's correct.
04:21That I've slept with his older brother, one of his brother.
04:24A load of rubbish.
04:26Yes, and it's a load of rubbish.
04:27And we're pulled 24 hours.
04:29And we're pulled 24 hours.
04:30Oh, what's up there?
04:30Well, he had you on the back of a market store, right in your bed.
04:36And, and...
04:36Whatever.
04:37Whatever.
04:38And you tried it on with me in the nightclub.
04:40Whatever, mate.
04:40Whatever, mate.
04:41Stay here.
04:42Whatever.
04:42He had you on the back of a market store, right in your bed.
04:46I'll do an eye detector for it.
04:48Yeah.
04:50Easy.
04:50Easy.
04:51Easy.
04:53I don't like Dawn.
04:55She's a bad mum.
04:56I've done more for Jamie than she has.
04:58She picks everybody over him.
04:59I have not had an affair with the brother.
05:01I'm with Paul 24-7.
05:03Jamie is the problem.
05:05Yep, that's correct.
05:05He's a bully.
05:06He's pinned me up against a wall.
05:08Yeah, twice.
05:09Me and my dad have had enough, me and his dad have had enough of the way he treats us.
05:14Is that what you're saying?
05:15Yep, yep, yep.
05:16You're here to say that.
05:17You've even had this kid arrested because...
05:19He didn't look very violent, but anyway, he's the smaller one.
05:21He's the one that's causing all the trouble.
05:23It is, yeah.
05:23Let's get Jamie on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
05:31You don't need that.
05:34Why doesn't she need that?
05:36Lying.
05:37I'll let him speak, lovey.
05:39She says she's got bad legs.
05:41Bad back.
05:41She goes into a nightclub next week on.
05:45Start slut-dropping around nightclub.
05:47Hold on.
05:48Hold on.
05:48Hold on.
05:49What's the slap drop?
05:50Right, this Jeremy.
05:58Do you want to try it with me?
05:59I've never gone that low in me life.
06:00Go on.
06:01Go on.
06:02Go on.
06:02Go on.
06:03Go on.
06:12Graham, I think I've pulled a muscle.
06:16You say she's a benefits cheat.
06:19Yeah.
06:20You don't even think she needs the stick.
06:22She's conning everybody.
06:24Yeah.
06:24You say my dad has been absolutely wound round this woman's finger.
06:30She's got everybody running around and it's time the world knew the truth.
06:35Yeah.
06:36He's under fun with it, Bev.
06:39They say you lied about having cancer.
06:40That's their main accusation.
06:41That's true, Jamie.
06:42I've got cancer.
06:43I got donor nose in January, on the 5th of January.
06:46Where have you got cancer, darling?
06:47I've got cancer on the lower part and I've got a bulge on my L5.
06:51Why wouldn't you believe that?
06:52I've got a shoe for proof.
06:53And I've got...
06:54Why should you need proof from your stepmother?
06:56To prove it she's lied in the past.
06:58What has she lied about in the past?
07:00Having children.
07:02You say she wears the trousers.
07:03She kicked me out my dad's house.
07:05I was homeless.
07:07Talk to her.
07:08Yeah.
07:08I was getting evicted out my own flat at the time.
07:13And I was getting this house.
07:15They put a stop to that.
07:16And that's practically made me homeless.
07:18Luckily, my sister has took me on.
07:21What you're saying is that your dad...
07:23Because my dad refused to have me in that house.
07:26You said he was a nightmare.
07:27He says that you're out to get him.
07:28What's going on here?
07:29Well, Jeremy, we're going to get a private house
07:32on the same street where we live.
07:34And because he couldn't get the house,
07:36because his dad wouldn't stand guarantor for him,
07:40because me and my husband don't have benefits,
07:42which I've got health problems, as I said.
07:46And Jamie were blaming my husband,
07:48saying it was all his fault,
07:49because he couldn't get the house.
07:50But that's his dad.
07:51Do you not have a relationship with your dad anymore?
07:53No, not anymore.
07:54He says that's because of you, love.
07:55No.
07:56I gave Paul the opportunity to have the time with him.
08:00You gave him the opportunity to have a relationship with his kids?
08:03I said...
08:03My dad should have an opportunity.
08:05He should choose to do it himself, shouldn't he?
08:06He should not have both involved and stop listening to you
08:11and speak to his own son.
08:12He doesn't have to listen to you.
08:14So after this break, as I understand it,
08:16we've got Paul, your dad, who's married to you,
08:18and he agrees with you.
08:19You've got your brother, Ricky,
08:20who's already done two slut drops, and I've only done one.
08:22We've got your mother, who's no longer with your father.
08:25We've got all of that.
08:26They say that you lied about cancer.
08:29You've pushed their dad to the point
08:30where he wants nothing whatsoever to do with them,
08:33and they say you had sex with the brother, Stephen.
08:36No, that's not true.
08:37You say they cannot accept their bad news.
08:40Paul's better off without them.
08:41We're doing that all after this break.
08:43Don't go anywhere.
08:44We're right back.
08:45Never mind, bad mum.
08:46Put the lid on you and tell them to pack your bags.
08:49Get out of the house.
08:50Do you want me to talk to my mouth about something
08:51two years ago when she was in hospital?
08:53And you know what I mean.
08:55You've got my turn.
08:57And I'll take your eye detector.
09:08Welcome to my friends before the break.
09:10Bev and Jamie, she's the step-mother from hell, or is she?
09:12He's the step-son from hell, or is he?
09:14I don't really know.
09:15You said that she made up cancer and slept with your brother.
09:17You say he.
09:18She's out for money and disrespects you and his father,
09:21and we're done with it.
09:22We don't like the way he treats us.
09:24Yeah, that's correct.
09:24Ricky is your half-brother.
09:27Yeah.
09:28Dawn's son, different father.
09:29Ricky's on the Jeremy Giles show that way.
09:37And if you could avoid slap-dropping, I'd be grateful.
09:39What's the truth here, Rick?
09:41Oh, she's a compulsive liar.
09:44I've seen her actually sat on a market stall,
09:48and my brother's actually got her like this.
09:51So she's like that, because I witnessed it.
09:53And she knows it.
09:54I'd quite happily do a lie detector.
09:56I'd do a lie detector, because I've got nothing to hide with it.
09:59And I would quite happily do a lie detector about you trying it on with me.
10:02What?
10:03She's tried it on with you as well?
10:04Many times.
10:05Excuse me.
10:06With that fucking stick.
10:08That's a lot of rubbish.
10:08She knows her way around the pole and the dance floor.
10:10That's a lot of rubbish.
10:10I'm sure you are.
10:12What sort of pole?
10:13A pole.
10:14A nightclub.
10:15Oh, not a pole.
10:16No.
10:16Whatever.
10:17A dancing pole.
10:18She knows her way around the pole.
10:20When I can't do anything for myself.
10:22Pose with me.
10:23Pose with me.
10:23Pose with me full-time carer.
10:24You say she's lied about having cancer seven times.
10:27You say a really, really outrageous thing.
10:29You say I almost wish cancer upon her, because it's awful to lie about it.
10:32Yeah, I do.
10:33Right, if somebody, right.
10:34I've known family members, yourself, many people who have had cancer.
10:38I've seen them literally no air on the body and they've been run down, pale.
10:43They look horrible.
10:44And you can see the actual pain in them.
10:46Have you had chemotherapy experience?
10:48I started it last Friday, Jeremy.
10:49Last Friday.
10:50What did you have?
10:51I had some tests done.
10:54No, no.
10:54What chemotherapy did you have?
10:55Shut up a minute.
10:56Shut up a minute.
10:57Be quiet.
10:57What happened?
10:58Tell me what happened.
10:59Shut up.
11:00They took some blood tests off me.
11:02Oh, did you have chemotherapy?
11:03I did, yeah.
11:04They put me on a, like, a support thingy.
11:07Where's the cancer again?
11:08A little part of my spine on my L5.
11:11And how long's the course for?
11:13I've got it for about eight weeks and then they're going to...
11:16So it's gone into your lymph nodes.
11:17The cancer's in your system.
11:18It is, yeah.
11:20Yeah, which, why should I lie about having cancer and having kids?
11:23I'm not saying you are.
11:24I'm just saying that they say you've lied seven times.
11:26No, it's a load of rubbish, Jeremy.
11:28Why have you only just started chemotherapy if you had cancer last year, two years ago?
11:32Why have you only just started it now?
11:33I want to know what this judge is called.
11:35Because what?
11:35Because what?
11:36Because what?
11:37Because what?
11:38I had to have an operation in 2012.
11:41And I had my operation in...
11:44And my discs were scraping on my spinal cord.
11:47And I'm partially paralysed from my neck back downwards.
11:51How do you manage to dance in a nightclub if you're partially paralysed?
11:54I never go out.
11:55I can't drink.
11:56I'm on painkillers.
11:57I'm on straight paper.
11:58He's a liar.
11:59Yeah.
11:59Paul's your husband.
12:00Paul's your dad.
12:01Is Paul your dad?
12:01No.
12:02You were a big part of my life.
12:04Has he stopped being a dad because of this woman?
12:06Yeah, definitely, yeah.
12:08I called him dad.
12:10I don't call him dad now.
12:11I call him Paul because he's not that part of my life.
12:13Because he chose to distance himself.
12:15Soon as he met her, definitely.
12:17Really?
12:17And he's also reclused himself from his own son in the past few months.
12:21What is about the inheritance, Rick?
12:23Well, what it is, is what I know, is his grandma and granddad left him a certain amount of money.
12:29And another cousin of his.
12:31They were only two grandchildren.
12:32And what it is, is...
12:34Who's that?
12:35That's his grandma.
12:35That's Jean.
12:35That's my mother-in-law.
12:37That's my grandma.
12:38And she left you some money?
12:40Yeah.
12:40How much?
12:42Between seven and twelve grand easy.
12:44No, it wasn't.
12:44You were really...
12:44I'm talking to him, you were really...
12:46They were putting tens, twenty quid in since I was born in 96.
12:50Where's the money gone?
12:50Where's the money?
12:50I ain't got a clue.
12:51That's Paul and Bev.
12:52I know it were getting paid into Halifax.
12:54Where's the money?
12:55It's in the social services with Barnardo's because Jamie was in care and his mum said to
13:00it to the social services and to the solicitor who were dealing with the emittance money at
13:06the time.
13:07And Paul was the executive of the will.
13:10And...
13:11You gave them the name of the solicitor didn't you?
13:13We were given the name of the solicitor.
13:27No, no, no.
13:28Because Jeremy, you stole the money.
13:29Why didn't you just admit it?
13:30No, no.
13:31Paul got half of his Eventers money.
13:33Paul got twenty-one pounds.
13:34Hold on.
13:34Don't say that you're out to grab Paul's money.
13:37Do you know what?
13:37Let's get him out because your dad needs to grow up here and speak.
13:40Paul's on the Jeremy Karl show.
13:41Get him out.
13:50It's about time you a lot grow up.
13:52Don't raise your voice at me.
13:54Grow up.
13:56Grow up.
13:57Grow up.
13:57You stole the two adults here, right?
14:00Right?
14:00And you're the one with your son.
14:01And you're letting her control your...
14:03No.
14:04Spend that whole...
14:05Inheritance money.
14:06You've got her claiming she's pregnant and got cancer.
14:09She's got cancer.
14:10She's got cancer.
14:11She's got cancer.
14:12When did she go to the hospital then?
14:15She just started...
14:15Fifth of January.
14:16Fifth of January.
14:17Did you have both chemo blasts on the same day?
14:20I did.
14:21Paul was with me.
14:22Did she?
14:23Yes.
14:24When's the next one?
14:25The next one's next Thursday.
14:27Yeah.
14:28Okay.
14:29You can tell though.
14:31Honestly, look at the state of them.
14:33What?
14:33You want to look at yourself, mate.
14:35Jeremy, another thing about the...
14:36Talk to your dad.
14:37Another thing about the inheritance money.
14:39When they went out 18, you said you went to a solicitor's and they were sending five grand in a
14:44cheque to me.
14:46That never came.
14:47We phoned up them solicitors to see if yous had been in.
14:50They'd never heard out about yous.
14:52So I want to know where this cheque is.
14:55Jamie, they want to tell you.
14:56Why don't you throw your son out of the house with the say-so of your girlfriend?
15:00Surely your son's the most important thing in your life.
15:02He's your child.
15:03Yeah, because he's attacked her.
15:04What did he do?
15:05He's thrown his way around.
15:06He's attacked her.
15:07Where's his conviction?
15:08I'm going to get her out.
15:09She's doing my bleeding head in mum dorms on the Jeremy Kyle show.
15:12Get her out.
15:15He was proved that Jamie was-
15:19He was proved by the police and you know that.
15:22Our-
15:23Time when you accused me-
15:25No, no, no, why?
15:26No, no, why?
15:27Where was Jamie that day when he was supposed to have attacked her?
15:30He was-
15:30Why was he going out the house then?
15:32Changing the subject.
15:33The way-
15:34Never mind, bad mum.
15:35Put an ear off.
15:36You're telling Mr. Pacemans.
15:37Get out of the house.
15:38Do you want me to-
15:39Do you want me to put my mouth about something two years ago when she were in hospital?
15:42And you know what I mean.
15:44Don't be turned.
15:45Go on then.
15:46And I'll take a lie detector.
15:48You.
15:48I'm not doing lie detectors.
15:49I want to-
15:50Me and you.
15:50I've got something anyway.
15:51Tell her.
15:52Tell her.
15:52I'll take a lie detector.
15:52Do you think I've got that with you?
15:54No chance.
15:54I'll take a lie detector, Paul.
15:56No, I wouldn't.
15:57I'll take a lie detector then.
15:58I'll do it now.
15:59I'll be married ten years.
16:00I'll do it now.
16:00You'll do a lie detector to prove that you've had sex with her inbie.
16:04I know that.
16:04Were you in hospital two years ago either with your gold stones or-
16:07Why does that make you proud?
16:08You've just scored her-
16:09Yes, it was.
16:09What?
16:10I slept to your-
16:11Well, I'm just going to throw this into the mix.
16:13If you can sit down.
16:14I was in hospital a couple of weeks ago with chest infection.
16:16Two years ago.
16:17Two years ago.
16:18Two years ago.
16:18I'm just going to throw this in.
16:20We can't do a lie detector test on you.
16:22It's because you saw it.
16:22The test wouldn't be strong enough.
16:23You say you do want to prove you had sex with him.
16:26Yeah.
16:26That's-
16:27Is it something to be proud of?
16:28No.
16:28The number one-
16:30The number one accusation, apart from the inheritance,
16:33is that you say you saw her having sex with your half-brother.
16:37I did.
16:38Whereabouts?
16:38How?
16:39Tell me more.
16:40No, no, no.
16:41Be quite done.
16:42Shut up a minute.
16:43Speak.
16:43They left town together.
16:44We were all out having a drink.
16:45Quite a few of us.
16:46I can't remember specifically who were there.
16:48But obviously Bev were there with our Stephen.
16:50Um.
16:52All of a sudden Stephen says he's leaving.
16:54Um.
16:55He told me where we were going.
16:56Didn't make- didn't think out of it.
16:58Um.
16:59Gets her-
17:00About ten minutes later.
17:02Um.
17:02I'm trying to wonder where he's gone.
17:03And obviously she's gone as well.
17:05I went down.
17:06Um.
17:06It's like side of a ginnel.
17:08You know it.
17:08Walked round.
17:09Two seconds.
17:10I sit there and obviously he's- he's really.
17:14Um.
17:18Um.
17:19Out.
17:20Do you-
17:21So you saw her having sex with your half brother?
17:24Yes I did, yeah.
17:24And how do you answer that?
17:25Do you think that's true or not?
17:26No.
17:27Not at all.
17:28I've got a statement just passed me from Stephen.
17:30Is he your son?
17:32No, he's my son.
17:32He's still a son.
17:33I admit that I slept with Bev behind Paul's back.
17:36It was a drunken mistake.
17:37I regretted it straight away and I'm embarrassed that it happened.
17:40I hate the pair of them.
17:42They're out for what they can get.
17:43They're total liars but he needs to know the truth.
17:45Did you have sex with Stephen?
17:47No, I never, Jeremy.
17:47Why are they all saying it then, love?
17:49Because they want to ruin mine and Paul's marriage.
17:51Come on, Paul.
17:52What gratification would they get out at ruining your marriage?
17:56I don't know who to do it.
17:57I don't know who to do it.
17:57I don't know who to do it.
17:58I don't know who to do it.
17:58I don't know who to do it.
18:00Look at Stephen.
18:01I've got a decent bloke.
18:03Have you?
18:03I've got a decent bloke.
18:05Stephen's what?
18:06Stephen's what?
18:07I got rid of him.
18:08Well, I'll have to tell you something, pal.
18:10Whether you're in love with your new bird or not,
18:11you should be more of a damn father, shouldn't you?
18:16See it on being there.
18:18Why didn't you make him homeless then?
18:21I thought if your mother didn't go to a father,
18:23she said you weren't a mother.
18:25I thought you were a mother.
18:25I thought you were a whole billion.
18:29Father by son food, round of applause.
18:32That's ridiculous.
18:34Why did you make him homeless?
18:36Because your bird told you to then.
18:38Why have you thrown him out?
18:40Because I couldn't be a gullantore.
18:42You don't need to be a gullantore for this.
18:44I'm a gullantore, isn't it?
18:46Yes, is that right, Jamie?
18:48Because he called out that house.
18:50My sister is living in that house.
18:52You don't need to be a gullantore.
18:54Do you think that your wife is a liar?
18:59You don't need a gullantore.
19:00He knows his own.
19:01I think you know that there's a lot.
19:02I've done a lot for that, kid.
19:04Sparishes in a nightclub, slack-dropping.
19:06I'm so with this down.
19:08You have, Paul.
19:09But since we want his money,
19:13you have turned against him.
19:14You've just dropped him out of your life.
19:16Because you can't put juice on it.
19:18Because you can't put juice on it.
19:21When he's going round with a prat and all that, what?
19:24That doesn't matter.
19:25You've got a gullantore and all that lot.
19:28Who's done his way round town?
19:32Who paid his fines off?
19:33Me.
19:34I doubt it.
19:35Who paid when he got done for nicking at low clasers?
19:38Do you believe your wife is a cheat?
19:40No.
19:41Are you sure about that?
19:42I have to pay for that for 50p.
19:43So you've been arrested.
19:45You've done something until you've done.
19:48Did you sleep with his brother?
19:49No, I know.
19:50I know.
19:51I know.
19:51I'm a light detector.
19:54You say you saw them.
19:55I did.
19:56Jeremy, like I said, I've looked to do a light detector to prove this.
19:59I've got pink killers and I have carers coming in to help me to get into bath.
20:02Get me dressed.
20:03Do you believe, Don?
20:04This is wrong with you.
20:05I'm losing the wrong with you.
20:07Do you believe, right, the accusation that he had sex with her?
20:10I don't believe anything about it, Jeremy.
20:13Well, I've just heard some really good news.
20:14It's because we have to check these things.
20:16Will you do a light detector?
20:18I won't come back in the morning.
20:18Will you come back tomorrow morning?
20:20Will you come back or not?
20:21Definitely.
20:21Are you going to do a runner?
20:23So she...
20:24No, I won't do a runner.
20:25Did you have sex with her?
20:27No.
20:27Are you sure about that?
20:29I can't do a test on you because of your injuries and you because you saw it, it would be
20:33too
20:33weak.
20:33I'm just being honest.
20:34I've got a statement from Stephen.
20:36What I can do is find out whether this relationship is actually flawed.
20:40I'm not sure why you're so proud that you slept.
20:42Why did you sleep with him?
20:43To get back at her.
20:45Yeah, you're a spiteful.
20:47She ate me back.
20:49Yeah, I've hated you.
20:50I've got Jamie because you can't have sex.
20:52Where were you when he was coming out of camp when he was 16?
20:55I've always been there for him.
20:57She's been there every minute of the way.
20:59Who's getting running for Christmas?
21:00Who's getting on the old time?
21:02Your job has a tattoo on his arm.
21:05If you come back tomorrow, you've accused Jamie of being on drugs the whole time.
21:10That's one of the reasons.
21:10He was on Legal Eye and we helped him off the drugs.
21:12We're talking central clinic.
21:13He says he's clean.
21:15If you come back tomorrow, don't let me down.
21:17You can do a drug test.
21:18I'll do a drug test for you.
21:19You say you'll come back tomorrow.
21:20You'll do a lie detector.
21:21You'll prove that you slept with your ex behind his current wife's back.
21:25You say you didn't have sex with her brother.
21:27You say you saw them.
21:28How did you describe it?
21:30F***.
21:32We can't do a lie detector on that.
21:33But you stand by.
21:34You didn't have sex with her brother.
21:36What would you do if you discovered your husband that you stepped up to and you've supported
21:40in front of his family?
21:41What would you do if you found out he cheated on you, love?
21:44I go mental.
21:44I go schizo.
21:45Would you?
21:46She can't do anything.
21:47She's cheated on him.
21:48So maybe she wants him to cheat.
21:50Maybe you want him to fail the lie detector to solve your conscience.
21:52You want him to clean your conscience, yeah.
21:53Did you sleep with her?
21:55No.
21:55He did.
21:55Here's the question that everybody seems to have.
21:57Is why are you picking your current wife over your kids?
22:00Because of being a...
22:02No, I don't mean how you should stick by him every minute of work.
22:05I don't want him in my life.
22:08Let him speak.
22:10I don't want him in my life.
22:11But when he's being a total idiot, open his sentence is not that lot.
22:16No.
22:16I can't do it.
22:17Where is he?
22:18Inheritance.
22:19It's what the social services.
22:20What do you mean check with Barnardo's?
22:23So these can check with Barnardo's then?
22:25But the solicitor that they were told, they rang up, said he didn't know anything existed.
22:29Well, give us this solicitation, Aaron Spencer.
22:32All right, okay.
22:33Give the producers the number and we'll confirm it with the producers.
22:38Yeah, we'll do that overnight.
22:39Give us the number and we'll check that as well.
22:40So tomorrow morning we'll know if you're telling the truth about the money.
22:43We'll know whether he's on drugs and we'll know whether she's being honest and says that she slept with you.
22:47How gutting is that?
22:49She only did it to get back at you.
22:50Right.
22:50I don't think she's on the top of me.
23:17Tomorrow morning did she sleep with the ex-husband because she hated the current wife so much?
23:21Up next on this stage, the man here to find out if his ex-partner has been lying to him
23:25about whether or not he's the father of her baby.
23:27We are right back.
23:28Don't go anywhere.
23:29Lee, come on.
23:31He's the image of you.
23:32Yeah, but look at the doubts.
23:33If somebody puts that little bit of doubt in your mind.
23:35I agree with him on this.
23:35It goes mad.
23:36And then just the same person that she was accused of cheating on me with.
23:39I've said all along.
23:40A couple of days after we would know.
23:41A couple of days after.
23:42Let me finish.
23:42He wasn't there.
23:43Let me finish, please.
23:44A couple of days after the pub, she was sitting in my local pub with this guy as well.
23:47The DNA test results show that Lee.
23:52You met in the pub.
23:54Outside pub.
23:55Outside pub.
23:56You went back.
23:57You had a night of passion.
23:59And then you left in the morning.
24:01Yeah.
24:01You said, yes, I did.
24:03Guess what the test says.
24:15Welcome back.
24:16Our next guest today, Lee, is here with ex-partner Rachel as he is desperate to find out if he's
24:19the father to her four-month-old son.
24:22Lee says that even though their turbulent relationship failed, he has done absolutely everything in his power to be a
24:26good dad but has been told that she was cheating on him and now has major doubts as to whether
24:31he's the father.
24:32He says that he's not interested in rekindling his relationship despite she wanting them to get back together and says
24:37the only thing he's here for is to find out the truth.
24:40He really, really wants this child to be his.
24:42It's a big day for this guy.
24:43Lee is next on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
24:45That way.
24:52Talk of the show.
24:53It's quite interesting when I read your notes because you've got that look.
24:56Well, you would look like that if you're about to find out you've got a kid.
24:59Rachel's the ex.
25:01How long were you together?
25:02Just over a year.
25:03She's totally still in love with you, isn't she?
25:05Yeah.
25:08And you know that?
25:09Yeah.
25:11I haven't walked away from being a dad.
25:13I've walked away from the relationship.
25:15You told my team that actually she was from day one almost paranoid she'd be accusing you of this, that
25:20and the other and there wasn't any real time to sort of just chill and enjoy each other's company.
25:25Why did she start accusing you?
25:26Because of past relationships, she said.
25:30She used to go through your phone?
25:32Yeah, she used to go through my phone, ring my mates up when I was in the pub asking if
25:35I was still there with them.
25:37In the end, you said, I just thought it would be better not to go out because I just got
25:41so much grief.
25:42I stopped going out as much and just started staying in a bit more to try and make the effort
25:47to prove that I will stay in with you and that didn't even work.
25:51It just carried on getting worse and it turned into what it was.
25:53Can I just say something?
25:53I really like you.
25:54I do, seriously.
25:56I do.
25:57I do.
25:58If you turn out to be a nightmare, I will batter you verbally, but at this moment in time, I
26:04quite like you.
26:04Um, was the pregnancy planned?
26:07Kind of, it was rushed.
26:09Everything was rushed.
26:10Everything was rushed.
26:11How did she feel when she, did she told you that she was pregnant?
26:13Yeah, she told me she was pregnant.
26:14I was over the moon.
26:15I've always wanted to be a dad.
26:18Shut up.
26:19And, um, so, you know, despite her insecurity, there you are.
26:24You're doing your thing.
26:25Where did that come from?
26:26She's pregnant, everything's fine.
26:27Then out the blue, you get a text.
26:30What did that text say?
26:32Um, I don't know what the text was.
26:35Saying that somebody else could be the father.
26:37Oh, right, that one.
26:38It was, uh...
26:39Quite a big one.
26:40Quite a big one.
26:42Paradise, hell on earth.
26:44No, it was from somebody that we both know and it said, you need to be careful with Rachel because
26:50she's been cheating on you and I'd advise you to get a DNA test.
26:54Well, that's going to gut you, right?
26:55You confront her with that information.
26:57Oh, bless you, you're so nervous.
26:58What does she say when you confront her?
27:00She said it was, um, just because them two were arguing at the time and he's 100% mine.
27:05Um, you say that that has undoubtedly played on your mind and you can't apologise enough for that.
27:11Did that...
27:11Did those doubts cause the end of the relationship, do you think?
27:15Stealed the coffin, yeah.
27:17You still sleeping with her?
27:18I did do, yes.
27:21How long ago?
27:22A couple of weeks ago.
27:23Yeah.
27:24So, you're not going to like what I'm going to say, but I'm being straight.
27:27You know as well as I do that she loves you.
27:30Yeah.
27:31And I bought that as I bought you when you said, it's not right.
27:37Going and having sex with her...
27:39Was wrong on my part.
27:40Because it sends out the wrong message to her, doesn't it?
27:43It sends out the message that there's a chance.
27:44Yeah.
27:45And if this kid is yours, you can't muddy the water like that.
27:48The flip side is, what if he's not yours?
27:50I'd be gutted, I'd be devastated.
27:52I'd break down.
27:53I'd literally break down and sat right here.
27:55Huge day for you.
27:55Rachel's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
28:05If looks could kill, why are you angry?
28:09If everything.
28:10He wasn't a couple of weeks ago he slept with me at all.
28:12It was Sunday and Monday when he came round to my house.
28:14That was out of his face.
28:15Why did you have sex with somebody that came round to your house?
28:18Because I love him.
28:19And he knows I do.
28:20I love him more than anyone that I've ever loved in my life.
28:25Now you get accused of using her for sex.
28:27Do you know that she loves you?
28:29She says she loves me.
28:30But if she loved me, why would she keep going through my phone and accusing me of being a cheat
28:33all the time?
28:34I've been cheated on beforehand and you knew that.
28:36Yeah, but you smile.
28:37I mean, that's going to make him feel insecure.
28:40That's going to make him think that you don't trust him.
28:42Why would you not understand that he thinks you're judging him by the rest of the world?
28:45You see, you know what I think, don't you?
28:47I think you still have feelings for her.
28:49I think you rushed headlong into this.
28:51I don't think you ever got to know each other.
28:53I think very quickly there was a baby.
28:56And I mean, everybody else has got involved.
28:59What's the best thing about her?
29:01Tell her.
29:02She's the mother of my son.
29:04So you believe he's yours?
29:05Yeah.
29:06She told us he blows hot and cold.
29:08We don't know whether, I don't know whether I'm coming or going.
29:11This guy is the love of my life.
29:13My head's that messed up.
29:14I don't want to be with you.
29:15I just want to know whether Oscar's mine.
29:17And I want access to my son.
29:19That's fine.
29:19You can have all the access you want.
29:21You can't keep arguing.
29:21It's not fair on the kids when we keep arguing.
29:23It's got to that point where we just argue too much constantly.
29:26And it's not fair on the kids.
29:28We both don't need to be in that sort of a relationship.
29:30It's not just me, though, technically.
29:32You've dragged on here, though, and Caden is three.
29:36He calls you dad.
29:38Yeah, because I've always been there for him.
29:40He's cute.
29:41You sure you don't have feelings for this girl?
29:43Positive.
29:44I love her.
29:44She's the mother of my son.
29:46You hope.
29:46Apart from that.
29:47Julie is your step-mom, isn't she?
29:49Yeah.
29:50Julie's on the car show that way.
29:51Give her a round of applause.
29:56Why have you done this to her?
29:58Why has she done it to me?
29:59No, why have you done it to her?
30:00They haven't done anything.
30:01You know, you're treating her like...
30:02I'm not treating her like...
30:03Yes, you are!
30:04I'm not.
30:05Goodly.
30:06You're a...
30:07You are.
30:08You want to have...
30:09Sit down.
30:11You do?
30:12No.
30:13Why are you effing and jeffing?
30:14Because I just don't think it's...
30:16Sorry, sorry, Jeremy.
30:18I just think it's disgusting the way he's treated Rachel.
30:21How has he treated her?
30:23Like dirt.
30:24He was there...
30:25He said a couple of weeks.
30:26You know, he slept with her.
30:28He was there on Sunday night, sleeping with her.
30:30Not full of her having sex with him, isn't it?
30:3250-50.
30:33She absolutely adores him.
30:34Nice to see that.
30:36You might laugh at what I'm going to tell you.
30:37I think he adores her as well.
30:39No.
30:41No.
30:42Sorry.
30:42I think he's terrified.
30:45Why would he be here if he was such a waste of space?
30:47But he is.
30:48Well, no, he's not.
30:49Because he said, she said, he's a great dad when he's with the kid.
30:52Yeah, he is.
30:53You're just basing this on the fact that he doesn't want to be with your stepdaughter.
30:56Isn't that honest?
30:57No.
30:57But I agree with you, he shouldn't go and have sex with her if he knows that that's...
31:00Well, what...
31:00You shouldn't, should you?
31:01I shouldn't have known I was out of order for doing that and he held my hands up.
31:04But, but, but, it is 50-50.
31:07It is.
31:07And I do, I love him.
31:09And I can't understand why he's done a DNA to him.
31:11Well, I don't understand where the doubts came from.
31:13Because you're sitting there going, he's my son.
31:14You've taken my son to your ex.
31:15I'm 99% sure.
31:16Why are we doing a DNA test?
31:18You know exactly why.
31:20Lee, come on.
31:21He's the image of you.
31:22Yeah, but look at the doubts.
31:23If somebody puts that little bit of doubt in your mind.
31:25I agree with him on this.
31:26It goes mad.
31:27And then to the same person that she was accused of cheating on me with.
31:29I've said all along.
31:30A couple of days after we were...
31:31No, a couple of days after we could let me finish.
31:33He wasn't there.
31:33Let me finish, please.
31:34A couple of days after the pub, she was sitting in my local pub with this guy as well.
31:38When?
31:38She was still writing letters to him when we first got together.
31:41Piece all that together and imagine what's going on in my mind.
31:43No, she wasn't.
31:44She was.
31:45No, I'm sorry.
31:46I'll stick up for her.
31:47Any chance at all, Rach, that that's not his son?
31:50100% he's his.
31:52DNA, please.
31:54What does this mean to you, pal?
31:55The world.
31:56It means everything to me.
31:58Why would he be here?
31:59You say that, but why would he be here?
32:01Well, he shouldn't have been here in the first place.
32:03The DNA test results show that, Lee, that is your son.
32:34You do love its mother, don't you?
32:36No, not in that way.
32:37Not the way she wants me to.
32:38I told you, all the way along, he's your son.
32:41You shouldn't have had any doubts at all.
32:43People shouldn't have put their doubts in my mind then, should they?
32:45What's the first thing out of your mouth?
32:48I'm sorry.
32:50Come on.
32:54Do you work?
32:55Yeah.
32:56So you can provide for this child?
32:58Yeah.
32:59Now I have to do the horrible, boring speech, which is life.
33:04I think everybody in this audience, even in the crew, has had a moment in their life when
33:09they love somebody who doesn't love them in return, and it's horrible.
33:13And when you're in that moment, you'll do anything.
33:16And of course, if they come round and they show you affection, don't do it if you don't
33:20mean it.
33:20You believe you've got a chance.
33:23And I saw the look on your face.
33:24It is.
33:24It's one of them.
33:25I've got to be a mum.
33:25That's what I'm going to be.
33:26It's my three kids.
33:27But you are at a point when he comes to see his son now, you'll hope and wish.
33:31And I don't know, right?
33:32But that is the most important thing, what you just said, your son.
33:36He's beautiful.
33:37And I believe this man will step up.
33:40I do.
33:41And I think, you know, I understand your anger, but I do think you've got to understand that
33:44if it's easy now, isn't it, for us to go, well, some idiot said that.
33:47But you know what happens, and I've done this a long time.
33:50It's done.
33:50It's done.
33:51He'll be a good dad.
33:53I'm not saying that.
33:54I know he will.
33:55But he shouldn't mess with Rachel's head.
33:57Can't you just create a happy ending?
33:59No.
34:00Great.
34:00Just be a dad.
34:02He can be a good dad.
34:03Can he see his son?
34:04Yeah.
34:05Do you want to come and see his son?
34:06Give him a round of applause, guys.
34:10Make sure you're good to the mother.
34:13Like to the mother.
34:14Grateful to the mother.
34:17And stop having sex with her.
34:21That's your boy.
34:23That's your boy.
34:26That's her boy.
34:28Thank you, mate.
34:29Thank you, mate.
34:30Thank you, sir.
34:32Thank you, yeah.
34:35Thank you, man.
34:39What are you going to say to him?
34:41I'll do.
34:42I'm never going to ever, ever let you down.
34:44Ever.
34:48He's a little boy.
34:49Hang on.
34:50Darling.
34:51Oh, look at that.
34:52Hey, hey, hey.
34:54Of course she's getting upset, because.
35:00Hey.
35:01Hello.
35:03I think we all know.
35:06Oi.
35:07Hey.
35:08Respect to mummy.
35:10She's upset.
35:12Have you ever been in love with somebody who's not in love with you?
35:15No.
35:16You never are.
35:17Listen.
35:19Listen.
35:20Oh, look at you the way you look at him.
35:25You OK?
35:26I'm sorry, but too much water's just gone under the bridge, and it's not fair on the kids,
35:29and it's not fair on us two either.
35:31Just be a dad.
35:32It's best if we just stay away from each other and just be there for our kids.
35:35You don't think being a family might make a difference?
35:38You don't think with some relationship counseling?
35:44All right, listen, the most important thing is that you're a dad.
35:46Don't want to upset the kid.
35:47Listen, we'll do whatever we have to do, but you said it just then, however difficult it's
35:51about the child.
35:52I appreciate you being here, all right?
35:54Look after him.
35:55All right, both of you.
35:55Give him a round of applause.
35:56Thank you, guys.
35:57They're all back.
35:58Give him a round of applause.
35:59You met in the pub.
36:01Outside pub.
36:01Outside pub.
36:02You went back.
36:03You had a night of passion, and then you left in the morning.
36:07Yeah.
36:08You said, yes, I did.
36:09Guess what the test says.
36:17I'm the OAP porn star.
36:21That's the month's worth of sugar.
36:24You're raising a doll as a child.
36:28You've had the whites of your eyes.
36:30I do.
36:31It's very, very strange.
36:34The captain of the ship is on the Jeremy Grant show.
36:42What did he do to you?
36:46I've got my boobs.
36:48And that's pretty normal, isn't it?
36:51Come on, Mother of the Lord, let's have a grove.
36:56What I'm doing right now is the closest that I've had to having sex for bloody ages, to be honest.
37:05It's not so bad.
37:07It's veryous.
37:08Yeah, you know me.
37:09Yeah, you know me.
37:10Are you kidding me?
37:23welcome back now you'll remember earlier on the show we met dawn who claimed that she had had sex
37:28with ex paul two years ago whilst he was of course married to bev well check this my friends
37:32we've rushed it through she's taken the lie detector and they are back now she's stuck to
37:38a word and she says i'm gonna prove that i slept with the ex behind bev's back dawn is back
37:43guys
37:49we know the story they know the story paul the ex is now with bev you jamie ricky the whole
37:56world
37:57hates her they think she's a liar she's a cheat she spent jamie's inheritance money 12 000 pounds
38:03she's had sex with his older son stephen at the market stall ricky was giving it all that
38:07and you say i'm not proud of it well actually you did she said i did it to get back
38:11at her
38:11you say you slept with paul when did you do it between two or three years ago and he was
38:17with
38:18her yeah how did it happen did you go around what happened now i was coming out of a pub
38:22he told me bev was in hospital invited me back so i went back and what happened i slept with
38:29him
38:30i was there till the next morning you were there till the next morning so you say you had sex
38:34with
38:34the ex whilst his missus was in hospital he says you're a liar we're gonna find out my god paul's
38:39back
38:47paul how are you you're late um you said to be honest earlier on was a disgrace
38:54miss son's throw away my wife's dick he's a disgraceful person ricky's an absolute liar i don't
39:00believe anything these people say and she just about takes the biscuit i didn't have sex with her
39:05they'll do anything to try and get me away from bev speak yes de will she don't like to see
39:12people
39:12happy what about what about the other months when we went to that pub in our village when you were
39:17asking me back when you was asking me back do you think i sleep with you i'm happy i've been
39:23together 10 years you're not happy you told me yes i've been together 10 years and there's no one's
39:28split those off we're sticking together did you sleep with her no all right i'm going to bring
39:34everybody else back from the right the sun wait jamie who says you don't do anything for me anymore
39:39because you're more interested in being with your missus also his half brother ricky who says he
39:43saw your missus having sex with older brother stephen in the market store and bev who last i don't
39:49know why i did that who had a stick thrown away this is the one you've been with for 10
39:53years
39:53they're all back give them a round of applause
40:02how are you so you like yeah ricky earlier on you were like full of it you were like she
40:07i saw her
40:08do steven this absolutely yeah yeah you said this woman has turned my dad against all of us she's
40:14a low life yeah your mother says that she slept with your father to to get back at bev you
40:20believe
40:20that of course i do yeah yeah 100 he wanted it you don't know very well what's the difference between
40:28you and bev where's his money you've disowned him since we've asked about this money
40:34i yeah because there's been
40:38why he wasn't trying to wait i don't know that what have you got to say
40:44so you had to sit there and hear that the ex believes says she had sex with your
40:50aspen while you were in hospital yes you know you've had everything done to you earlier on what
40:54do you think speak i think it's disgusting i've had definitely i just stand on you my brother
41:01so you're both as bad as each other yes you were no i wasn't
41:05i don't know you were 24 hours a day you're easy you're easy that's all you are easy
41:12from him easy you didn't you all disgust me you're full of that stick you're wrong with you
41:20you're a pile of me tripped you up yesterday about your chemo
41:25i wouldn't trip her up what are you talking about even jeremy tripped you up about
41:28and jamie you know i've done a lot for you don't you in the past yeah i'll admit that
41:33but he's your son i bought i bought you stuff for the flat but you've claimed it back on him
41:37since she's asked for his money to do it who do you think's got you off of drugs and stuff
41:41like
41:42that yeah since she's asked for this money they're saying since you got with beth you don't do
41:47anything anymore yeah i'm not hiding behind it yeah you are you are you're not hiding behind me at all
41:55you said why are you making drugs well do it then now
42:06raise his voice at me
42:11not your bit on the side with the grace of respect she's not a bit on the side they've been
42:18together 10 years right
42:20yeah but he's with tom dick and that's clearly when my mum proves it they think she's mugging you off
42:26i've said earlier we can't do a test on whether you were right in what you saw because it's too
42:31flimsy we can though do two things you accused this boy of being on drugs didn't you earlier on
42:38yes he's in a drugs test he's completely clear
42:43it's about time to show his money out give me the lie detector she said
42:50and then i never had this in 11 years you said i didn't have sex with him because i liked
42:54him
42:55i didn't have sex with him because i fancied him i had sex while she was in hospital because i
42:59ate her
43:00that much i wanted to get back of her did you sleep with her yeah yeah no
43:07did you sleep with him i thought you were going to do a run you thought so well i proved
43:13you wrong
43:15we asked dawn within the last three years have you had sexual intercourse with paul
43:21that was when she was in hospital yeah you met in the pub outside pub outside pub you went back
43:28you had a night of passion and then you left in the morning yeah you said yes i did guess
43:35what
43:35the test says your mother's a liar thank you thank you you couldn't wait in fact and i want your
43:48response ricky because you're giving it large your mother failed on every single question why'd you make
43:54it out then come on why'd you make it up i'm not making it points against her no no everything
44:01for
44:02you jamie i've done everything i could but what i know is why i'm so against her back in our
44:08faces
44:09we've done everything for you stood by and feel thick and thin you disgust me
44:14end of today jamie you have nothing to do with me i just don't jamie i've never been no
44:19keep out of my life and there's nothing in my life all sorts of you shut up
44:24all sorts of the trouble on the flesh gay centre when you were getting thrown around
44:28stop changing you're talking about changing the subject you're a liar you made it up
44:33no i'm not you 12 o'clock at night because you're damaged you you got done for criminal damage
44:39who paid the fire off for you for an 80 pound five me let me have my say now your
44:45mother's a liar
44:46jamie no i'm not you've got brown wood in bed any of you one reason i'm on here jamie
44:49you might have that now all right let's talk about the inheritance money but rich you like
44:57go on inheritance that test ain't statistically 100 is it retake the test he knows i was there
45:05never have said that right but there we go i'm gonna defend that but you now see what they're
45:10thinking don't you that you lot will do anything hear me out right lie about that lie about the
45:16money whatever because you don't like her now they've got that haven't they like both of them
45:29not just he's not on drugs she didn't have sex with paul did you have sex with his older brother
45:35you said earlier on you walked into some place what just repeat down the alleyway she knows no i didn't
45:43even sleep with your brother did you have any sex with him did you get a kiss from him no
45:49i never
45:49jeremy i've never even watched him have you seen your steven there's no old painting of him is it no
45:55he ain't in her painting but neither is that and he's a step up from what that is
46:02excuse me this bloke is a good man is he's got me out of one she's been there all the
46:08time when i
46:09my neck operation i broke two discs in my neck scraping on my spinal you know how to work the
46:14way
46:14around this is my rock that's the only time disabilities disappear
46:33when the producers came to call the hospital with yourself why couldn't you call the hospital just to
46:39prove why couldn't you do that to us today just to prove that you're a cancer whatever goes off in
46:42my
46:43house so why i would do it any of you why should she have to go why should she say
46:48about her after
46:49yours when it's no to do with you why can't you talk jamie's money back to the money
46:55talk jamie knows jamie knows jamie knows let jamie speak and have a breakdown go on day jeremy you asked
47:04for
47:04my dad and bev to bring in a number about what they said we passed the information over jeremy
47:11they said social and bernardo's have got my money but end of the day bernardo's shut down like five
47:16years ago so that's why did you give the information to the producers we will give that to you nobody
47:21said a word to me as usual about that but we will give that information to you john is that
47:25right well
47:25i've heard there's no numbers being given now oh the producers just told me she hasn't got the
47:30information will you make a commitment will you take him to the solicitor yes and will you make sure
47:36and we'll follow this if you're lying and make sure he finds out about his money yes yes or no
47:41we
47:42have to believe that at the point you lied i'm sorry you passed i don't know about steven what honest
47:47to god
47:49we will take him the very least you should do hear me out not a word you can be with
47:53who you
47:54want but you should never let your son go get him that money and get it sorted the two of
47:57you that
47:57way the three that way go go go go go go take care bless your heart we did our best
48:05i'm out of
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48:08to my guests to this audience and to you at home thanks for watching we'll see you very soon take
48:12care bye
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