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00:00Bringing people together. The Jeremy Cowell Show. Sponsored by FoxyBingo.com.
00:07On today's show...
00:08You are no longer with her. The child is 16 months of age.
00:12You're in a relationship with Becky. She's in a relationship with Sam.
00:15Four people at loggerheads. It's stuck in the middle. Why are you here?
00:18I just want regular access to myself.
00:21How dare you say anything about me? I've been there for hours, sir. I've done everything for us.
00:27How dare you cry for that little boy and you've knocked in my face.
00:31You don't know nothing about me. I don't even know you. What the hell are you saying?
00:37You'll smell a belly bar, smelly fatty.
00:41I may have to work with the stick to have someone put you on.
00:44Speak to him, don't look at me.
00:46You'll smack me in the chest knowing that I'm all right.
00:49Digit.
00:53And she said it was my being.
00:56It wasn't your being at all.
00:58Disgusting.
00:59If I tell you something, the next time I see you're going to get in.
01:02She's not hurting you now, but I'm not in the chest.
01:05I'm not in the chest.
01:06I'm not in the chest with her.
01:06And not at that much. You won't want her baby looking like you.
01:09Tenfold, thank you, perfect.
01:11CHEERING
01:32Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:34Now, today I'm looking back at some of my most memorable stories from the past few years.
01:39You might just remember our first guest today, exes at war, Gary and Amy.
01:43Now, Gary came on the show to demand regular access to his son after he claimed that Amy
01:47was letting a fiancé, Sam, raise his baby instead.
01:51Now, Gary was furious after hearing rumours that Sam wanted to adopt his young son
01:54and, to be honest, it kicked off.
01:56Take a look at this.
01:59You and Amy were only together for three months.
02:02Yeah.
02:02But in that time, nobody thought about safe sex and bingo, lingo, she had a child.
02:07Yeah.
02:08How many potential fathers were there?
02:10About five.
02:13You did a DNA test through the CSA, I believe.
02:17The DNA test proved that you were the dad.
02:19Yeah.
02:20Which must have been lovely for you.
02:21It was, yeah.
02:22It's just, sadly, I can't change the mother.
02:24I wish I could.
02:25Well, that's what comes of having unsafe sex.
02:27However, things have moved on.
02:29You are no longer with her.
02:31The child is 16 months of age.
02:33You're in a relationship with Becky.
02:34She's in a relationship with Sam.
02:36Four people at Loggerheads.
02:37Kid stuck in the middle.
02:38Why are you here?
02:38I just want regular access to my son.
02:40Now, tell me about Sam, her current partner.
02:43You say...
02:43I can't stun the bloke.
02:44I think he's a scumbag.
02:45But he is there every day with your child.
02:48Yeah, fair play to him for that.
02:49But he's trying to be a father figure to my son.
02:52But he shouldn't be doing that.
02:53That's for me to do.
02:55Not him.
02:55Tell my team.
02:56My ex is more interested in money than she is me being a dad.
03:00Yeah, that's correct.
03:01She asked me for money.
03:02And as I didn't get paid, she goes, oh, you can't see your son.
03:05But why do you not pay for your son?
03:07I do.
03:07I pay maintenance.
03:08Oh, you do?
03:09Yeah.
03:09Um, so you and he are at loggerheads.
03:12You and she are at loggerheads.
03:13Everybody else.
03:14Are you on the birth certificate?
03:15No.
03:16That's another reason I'm here today.
03:17It's to get on that.
03:18So a DNA test through the CSA proves that you were the biological father.
03:22And she doesn't deem it necessary enough to put your name down on her son's birth certificate.
03:25No, but she's trying to get that scumbag back there on to adopting my stuff.
03:29Nice.
03:30You tell my team she's not the greatest, mum.
03:31She drinks too much.
03:33Yeah, and what I've heard through the grave iron is she's on drugs too.
03:37You're worried about she's obviously got a reputation because she had five men to deal with
03:40and that was a fact when it came to the DNA.
03:43Are you worried about your son?
03:44I am, yeah.
03:45And today is about what?
03:46Getting access to my son in custody.
03:49Custody?
03:49Yeah.
03:49How many people sit on this stage and say that?
03:51Yeah, I'm watching so quite a lot and I'm actually going to go for it because I'm scared of his
03:55safety, to be honest.
03:56Really?
03:56If he's around that person, what's going on?
03:59Interesting.
03:59Let's get her out.
04:00She's 25.
04:01There were five potential dads.
04:03Yeah.
04:03But you are the dad of his 16-month-old son.
04:06Amy's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
04:16Is that true?
04:17No, I think he's pathetic, to be quite honest with you.
04:19No, were there five potential dads?
04:21No, there wasn't.
04:22How many were there?
04:23Two.
04:23He went and did DNA through the CSA and the court said, well, the DNA proved that he was the
04:27father, yeah?
04:28Yeah.
04:28Answer me a question, love, in front of everybody.
04:30Why the hell haven't you put your son's father on the birth certificate?
04:33Answer me that.
04:34Go on.
04:35Because his name has to go on the birth certificate.
04:38You are totally wrong there.
04:40He's done nothing.
04:40He's not been there at all.
04:42He's done nothing.
04:42Well, he's going to tell me it's because you won't let him.
04:44You might not tell me...
04:45Which is absolute crap because I gave him opportunity.
04:47It doesn't matter if he's rubbish.
04:49You're lying, Gary.
04:50You believe your own lies.
04:51You need to grow up and actually be a dad.
04:53You asked me for money.
04:53My son deserves better than you.
04:55You want to be on the birth certificate.
04:56Maybe you should have been there for the birth.
04:58If you let me...
04:59Did you let me know you weren't...
05:00You're not...
05:02You're wrapping lugs with some and not giving me a chance to be there for my son.
05:05Why the hell should I?
05:06You've done nothing.
05:07You lied to me.
05:08You're making excuses every contact.
05:10I changed the contact because you didn't want Sam to be there.
05:13Did you ban him from the birth?
05:15Hello, did you ban him from the birth?
05:17No, I didn't.
05:18He was there through the...
05:18He came once...
05:19So you were happy for him to...
05:20And then he didn't bother.
05:22He didn't bother.
05:22All I got was abusive text messages.
05:24You've had six relationships.
05:25I've been in the same one for two years.
05:27How dare you sit there and say my boyfriend's a risk.
05:30How dare you say anything about me.
05:32I'm a good mum.
05:32I've been there for hours.
05:34I've done everything right.
05:35So don't sit there.
05:36Do you take drugs?
05:36No, I do not.
05:37He does.
05:38He drinks every single day.
05:39He decided that he'd rather be in the pub drinking than come to the birth.
05:42I'm not saying that that's not right.
05:44But the point I'm trying to make is, darling, he is biologically...
05:48You're the one who's wrong here.
05:48Hello.
05:49He is biologically the father.
05:51He is biologically the father.
05:52I've done a DNA test.
05:52Then you have to accept his name has to be...
05:54He hasn't done nothing.
05:56I'd die for that little boy.
05:56Who's Lisa?
05:57Is Lisa your sister?
05:58She's the one that ran the show.
05:59Lisa's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
06:00Give her a round of applause.
06:06Shut up and sit down.
06:07Shut up and sit down.
06:09Shut up and sit down.
06:11Shut up and sit down.
06:12You didn't want him there.
06:13Shut up and sit down.
06:14Shut up and sit down.
06:14It's your little boy you should be thinking of.
06:17You don't tell me to shut up.
06:18You do what's best for your son.
06:20Because if you did, you'd be here when you first come here.
06:22Does he give you money?
06:23No.
06:24He's only just recently started paying child maintenance.
06:26What?
06:27Recently.
06:27He hasn't held.
06:29That's not what you tell me.
06:29Some gives me more money than you.
06:31Hold on.
06:3116 months of age.
06:32Why have you done that earlier?
06:33How old were you, by the way, when the DNA...
06:34How old was the boy when the DNA proved that he was the father?
06:37I think he was just about to turn a year old.
06:39So why did you all wait a year, for God's sake?
06:40This kid should have known who its father was a long, long time ago, shouldn't it?
06:44I'm not dealing with this.
06:47That's it.
06:47Walk away.
06:48I thought your son was more important.
06:50Hold on with me.
06:54Is this Sam?
06:55Is Sam here?
06:56I'm there.
06:57What's the story here, bud?
06:58Well, I'm sorry, but everything that he has said so far is absolute...
07:04Do you accept, though?
07:05I'll let you do this.
07:06No, I 100% accept that he is the father.
07:09Then he should be on the birth certificate.
07:09I have never said that I'm the father to...
07:12She has never said that I'm the father to...
07:15I don't even like the fact that she uses the word dad in front of people that I know,
07:20because I know he is the father.
07:22Do you not think his name should be on the birth certificate?
07:24No, I think his name should be on the birth certificate.
07:26But I also think that she shouldn't have been the one to have to ring up to get the actual
07:31DNA test, considering he can't even be bothered to type CSA into Google...
07:36Go on, then, answer that.
07:37That seems very reasonable.
07:39I work nice.
07:40Where have you been for the last three weeks?
07:42Where have I been?
07:43Three weeks you were supposed to turn up and see your son.
07:46I've been working.
07:47Where have you been?
07:48I've been working.
07:48Working.
07:49Has your brother done enough?
07:51No, he hasn't done enough, and I admit he could, but he's tried...
07:54I didn't stop with you here.
07:55He's tried to stop it.
07:56I rang the show.
07:57A few weeks ago.
07:57Yeah, I rang the show.
07:58You rang the show.
07:59Because it's me and you sat in my partner's back garden a few weeks ago, slagging him off.
08:04He's like a dad.
08:05He's in the wrong.
08:07You're both in the wrong.
08:08I want...
08:08Your mum, both of your mum, spends more time in the background, so...
08:11She's sick and tired of burning you.
08:12She's told me.
08:13I work all the time.
08:14You two are not doing enough.
08:15You two are not doing enough.
08:15You're trying to go to trouble between my mum and us.
08:17Jimmy Faber, I want to play something for you.
08:19Get on stage a minute.
08:20I want to play you something, which absolutely sums up what's wrong.
08:22Bring your missus on stage.
08:23Listen to this.
08:24Listen to this.
08:25You might be his biological father, but you went on the birth certificate, which means
08:29you have no rights.
08:31Just thought I'd let you know that me and Sam are getting married and Sam's going to adopt
08:35me.
08:35Hope you're happy about this, whether you are or not.
08:38It's to...
08:39Yes, before you ask.
08:41I called you a sperm donor, because that's all you are.
08:44Yeah.
08:46But over my dead, rotting course, is that going to happen?
08:49That's sort of...
08:49That's sort of, Sam.
08:50Over my dead body, are you going to get any custody of my son?
08:53Listen to your boyfriend.
08:55It's the most reasonable person on this day.
08:56I don't think you understand that that's wrong.
08:57You probably shouldn't have said that.
08:59In fact, you definitely shouldn't have said that.
09:01But at the same time...
09:02I can show you things that he said to me.
09:03I can...
09:04I can show you...
09:05He shouldn't sit there and send him frightening messages, constantly updating him on his son,
09:09and all he does is give me abuse.
09:11She gives me abuse.
09:12He gives you abuse.
09:12Do you accept?
09:13The only person in their family that have actually bothered with my little boy is their
09:16mother.
09:17She's the only person that gives...
09:18I've asked you to see him when I don't work.
09:20And you say, give me a job.
09:21What's your girlfriend on?
09:23Becky.
09:23Becky's on the Jeremy Carr show.
09:25Oh, God.
09:28You shut your...
09:30I offered you clothes for that little boy and you threw it back in my face.
09:34You don't know nothing about me.
09:36I don't even know you.
09:37What the hell are you here?
09:38You're offering us your hand-me-downs when we could go out and call him brand new...
09:42What's that got to do with the price?
09:43I don't need it.
09:44I don't need it.
09:44Excuse me.
09:44Excuse me.
09:44What's that got to do with the price of fish?
09:46Why are you here?
09:48To support Gary.
09:49It's all I care about is my son.
09:50Yeah, but if you care about your son...
09:51I don't care about...
09:52There's not a day he sits at mine and doesn't cry.
09:54I've got a picture of your little boy on my wall.
09:56He can't come out.
09:57Isn't it fair to say the refreshing point here?
09:59He cries.
09:59Hello?
09:59Isn't it true to say that everybody on this stage wants what's best?
10:02Can I be really, really honest?
10:03Everybody has to give something, right?
10:05Isn't it right that you cannot in any way justify sitting there calling her a bad mother
10:12and making allegations when in the next breath you say I could have done more?
10:15Yes or no?
10:16I need to pull my finger up and I can actually be a dad.
10:18And no, I can actually do that if she'll let me.
10:20Yeah, but what you've got to understand is it's like people who come through that door
10:23and they go, yeah, I was on heroin.
10:24Yeah, I messed up a few people's lives.
10:25But you know what, Jess?
10:26I'm ready to change.
10:27What about the mess you've left behind?
10:28You've just said, I need to pull my finger out and be a dad.
10:31Well, guess what she thinks and I think and he thinks.
10:33She had to pull her finger out and be a mum 16 months ago
10:37and you should have done the same.
10:39And it's only now when you're apparently ready that you think it's all unfair.
10:43And that's where I do side with him because he has been there when you haven't given a damn.
10:48And that's what you have to respect.
10:49If there's been a chance to do it, I wouldn't have done it.
10:50No, you could have taken it.
10:51You should have taken it.
10:53You should have taken it.
10:54You just need to interact with him.
10:56You don't interact with him.
10:57I can't really interact over a...
10:59That's it.
11:00That is ridiculous.
11:00We've set the contact.
11:01We've arranged the contact for you.
11:02That is...
11:02No.
11:03We are going to do this with your agreement, right?
11:05It's about him and this kid, right?
11:07You have to make an arrangement and stick to it.
11:11As you can see, we left these guys hopeful that with the show's help,
11:14Gary would start seeing his son again.
11:15Sadly, this wasn't to be.
11:17Join me after the break when we meet them again for a DNA and lie detector
11:20and catch up with them to see how they're getting on now.
11:23Don't go anywhere because I'm right back.
11:28Gary did admit in front of a whole room full of people
11:32that he didn't class it as cheating on Becky
11:35if he's in a different area code.
11:40You believe that's not alcohol?
11:42You don't smoke it up.
11:44That's all of you.
11:45If you believe that he's not your son,
11:47what did you give him alcohol?
11:53Do you need to find out who is the father of the baby?
11:56Do you need that all-important DNA test?
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12:27Thank you very much for being welcome back.
12:29Today we're looking at some of my favourite shows from the past few years.
12:32Before the break, we were looking at exes at war, Gary and Amy,
12:35with Gary demanding access to their son.
12:37Now, shockingly, they came back to the show
12:39after Gary accused Amy of faking, yes, faking a private DNA test.
12:44Amy was back to prove him wrong and expose him as a serial cheat
12:48in front of his current girlfriend, Becky.
12:51Keep up. Take a look at this.
12:55We, as a show, did what we always do.
12:57We helped you.
12:58We set up contact.
12:59We organised a centre.
13:00You're back today because you say he didn't bother.
13:03No, he hasn't bothered since the last show.
13:05He's turned up once since...
13:08..half an hour.
13:09He went out for a fag after.
13:11I will get to you. Be quiet.
13:13He has a limited time for two hours every week.
13:15He hasn't turned up, literally.
13:16Only one time he's turned up.
13:18How many times did you turn up?
13:19I turned up every week, apart from one week,
13:21where I weren't very well.
13:23The week after that, I weren't well either, but I still turned up.
13:25I even messaged him...
13:26So he hasn't bothered with this child,
13:27despite coming on this show and making a big thing about it, yeah?
13:30I've actually messaged him saying that he could come to my partner's mum's house
13:33to see him because I weren't feeling well.
13:34Said in the introduction that before you came on the car show before,
13:38through the CSA, which I think is quite important here,
13:40you did a private DNA test.
13:42That proved that he was the father.
13:44Which is professional.
13:45Obviously, a professional test.
13:46There's no way I could have cheated it.
13:47So why, all of a sudden, does he not believe anything?
13:50I have absolutely no idea.
13:52It's absolute...
13:53Whatever it's coming out of his mouth, he's absolutely...
13:55He makes excuses behind his sister.
13:58He doesn't do anything for my son.
13:59He doesn't see my son.
14:00I've had enough now.
14:01I'm sick and tired of lies and accusations and excuses
14:05for not seeing my son at all.
14:06So what's today about?
14:07Today is about me proving that he is definitely a dad,
14:10and then when he finds out that he is, that's it.
14:13He won't be seeing my son.
14:14He won't have no contact with my son.
14:15He'll have nothing to do with my son.
14:16Is that fair?
14:17He doesn't deserve to be around my son.
14:19You're saying seven weeks, he's seen his son once.
14:22He's got a new relationship, though.
14:23This is shocking.
14:25Becky, you made accusations that they both take drugs.
14:28Yeah.
14:28That would presumably make you think,
14:29I don't want them around my kid.
14:30But it's the interesting twist.
14:32Why do you think that he's cheating them?
14:33Why do you think this will be happening?
14:35It's all on the great front.
14:36I don't know if it's true, but it's all here.
14:38You've said it.
14:39I know from people that I've heard it from,
14:42they are genuine people that wouldn't, like, say it to me
14:45if it weren't true.
14:46Shut up.
14:47Shut up!
14:49None of you care about my son.
14:51None of you care about your son.
14:53No, you don't.
14:54That's the girlfriend, right?
14:56She's...
14:56I've lost you more than you.
14:58You're homeless.
14:59You don't even see my son.
15:01I'm...
15:02I'm...
15:04Who's that?
15:04That's his Gobby sister.
15:06What have you got?
15:06Come up.
15:06I'm Gobby because of you.
15:09We're here to sort it out.
15:10I'm sure you are.
15:12Once I've proved that this is Gary's son...
15:14Could you do me a favour?
15:15He's not seeing him.
15:15Excuse me.
15:17Sorry, you are who?
15:18Gary's sister.
15:19I'd like to tell you to come out and shut your mouth.
15:26Let me get this accidentally straight.
15:28Sure, sure, sure.
15:29So you came here.
15:30We sorted it out.
15:31He's now saying,
15:33right,
15:33I made all this.
15:34You say it doesn't turn up.
15:35He says the DNA you have at the CSA would be fake.
15:38Yeah.
15:38Right?
15:38And now you're saying,
15:39I even know,
15:40in the middle,
15:41his new girlfriend is cheating.
15:43This guy is not what you thought he was.
15:45Is that right?
15:46Let's get him back.
15:47Gary is back on the Jeremy Kyle show.
15:55I'm sick of all this.
15:56I'm sick of all this.
15:58And that son is a lying little .
16:01Sorry, I'm not cheating on that.
16:02Sorry for the last seven weeks.
16:04Why have you been making excuses?
16:05Do me a favour.
16:06Right?
16:06Because I listened to you last time.
16:08Wash your mouth out.
16:09Because whether you like this or not,
16:11if that is the mother of your potential child,
16:14that's not how you speak.
16:16Got it?
16:16Or you can do that.
16:17I can do that.
16:23You came here last time.
16:25You wanted access.
16:26We sorted it.
16:26Why the hell didn't you turn up?
16:28I turned up the first time.
16:29The second time I was ill,
16:30so I couldn't go.
16:31Hold on a second.
16:32In seven weeks,
16:33how many weeks did you turn up?
16:34I turned up the first time.
16:36And then the second time I was ill,
16:37the third time she said that she couldn't turn up.
16:39How would ill stop you seeing your precious son?
16:42I had sickness and diarrhoea.
16:43Oh, what a shame.
16:44Why don't you crawl on your hands and knees
16:45and see if you're doing that?
16:46Because I was going to stay in a place,
16:48and give that sickness to loads of other little children.
16:51Did it keep you off work all week,
16:52the sickness and diarrhoea?
16:53Did it?
16:53Right.
16:54OK.
16:54What about the third week?
16:55I started a new job.
16:56I couldn't give up.
16:57Another excuse.
16:58What about the fourth week?
17:01Another excuse.
17:02She said if you don't turn up,
17:04don't bother turn up.
17:05You should go whatever, shouldn't you?
17:07I have an excuse for you.
17:07Hold on a second.
17:08Be quiet.
17:09You did a DNA test through the CSA.
17:11It said that you were the father.
17:12So we didn't bother,
17:13and you gave it large.
17:14I'm not bothered.
17:15Now, apparently,
17:17you don't believe that.
17:18Why?
17:19So if I was the father,
17:19why is she cheerying me
17:21the way she has over the last seven weeks?
17:23Six, seven weeks.
17:24You're treating him.
17:25You're not turning up to contact.
17:26You're not letting me see him.
17:27You're watching your mouth.
17:29Turner,
17:29whether you were sick,
17:30whether you were dying, Gary.
17:32If you all go to the end of the earth
17:35to see my little boy.
17:36Why don't you believe the DNA now?
17:38Because I think it's a lot.
17:39Because I didn't see any paperwork.
17:40My signature's on it.
17:42So suddenly now,
17:43when apparently you don't get to see this kid,
17:46you've decided that the DNA is fake
17:48and you want us to do one, yeah?
17:49Yeah.
17:50Because anybody could have done the DNA.
17:52Why didn't you say it last time, then?
17:54Why are you wasting my time?
17:55What about your new partner, Becky?
17:57Apparently, you're cheating on her.
17:59Is that right?
18:00I'm all right.
18:00Why do you think she said that, then?
18:02Because she's a lying little
18:03just like
18:04over there.
18:05Who's that?
18:06Who are you?
18:07That's my honest girlfriend.
18:08That's the person
18:08I'm a parent
18:09cheating on Becky with.
18:10You're in a new relationship with Becky.
18:12How long have you been with her for?
18:13Three months.
18:14Three months.
18:14It's okay.
18:15Oh, well, let's get her out.
18:16Becky's on the Jeremy Giles show.
18:17She's coming out.
18:24Why would he cheat on me?
18:25With you.
18:26He never cheated on you with me.
18:29He said in front of a whole room of the people
18:32How dare you tell me to cheat on me?
18:34Because I'm here to see you.
18:36Sorry, can I just say something?
18:38He had sex with both of them before you were around, love.
18:41Didn't he?
18:42Yeah, I know that.
18:42Well, then why are you having a go at her?
18:44Because he's apparently cheating on me with her.
18:46Well, who made that up?
18:47Why would I want to sleep?
18:48She's supposed to be saying it.
18:49I'm saying that apparently my son would be better off for you.
18:51You don't even look after your own child.
18:52My daughter gets fired by your grandparents.
18:57That's because.
18:57How dare you sit on the stage and say my son would be better off for you.
19:01You're not.
19:02So that's why I'm not.
19:05So shut up and get off the staves then.
19:07That's what you're thinking about when you've got a flat.
19:10Nothing to do.
19:11So why are you prepared when you've got your own flat?
19:13Excuse me.
19:14Staying in a document.
19:15Hey, Garby.
19:16Sit down.
19:16You shut up.
19:17Sit down.
19:17You believe that Amy is making up these allegations about Gary cheating.
19:22Why?
19:22Because she wants him back?
19:23I don't know.
19:24She probably is a bit jealous.
19:25Oh, yeah.
19:26Jealous of what?
19:26You two?
19:26You've been together 12 weeks.
19:28She needs to stop using the little boy as a weapon against him.
19:31He tries his back.
19:32He doesn't turn up.
19:33How can I use him as a weapon if he doesn't turn up to see him in the first place?
19:37But you against him.
19:39Shut her.
19:40All the messages.
19:41Let me ask you that.
19:41You just literally.
19:43Damn it.
19:44Have you made up the rumours that he's cheating on her because you're jealous?
19:47No.
19:47Right.
19:47Yes or no is a simple answer.
19:48Could you help me out?
19:49Where did all this come from?
19:51That's what I was saying.
19:51So what about the postcode then?
19:52Apparently you can cheat on her if you're in a different area code.
19:55You used to go out with him?
19:56Yeah, ages ago.
19:58I'm Amy's best friend.
20:00Gary did admit in front of a whole room full of people that he didn't class it as cheating
20:06on Becky if he's in a different area code.
20:08Is that true?
20:09Yeah.
20:10Because I have a laugh with Becky all the time about it.
20:12So Steve, you go to Blackpool, it's fine.
20:14That's the rule.
20:15I speak to Becky about this all the time.
20:17I say it in front of her.
20:18Okay.
20:18So do you trust him?
20:20Yeah, I trust him 100%.
20:21So you said it was quite interesting that every time you go to a contact centre, certainly
20:24the first or second time, there was a group of people that made it impossible for you
20:27to bond with your son, one of whom was Mary.
20:29And this is actually quite interesting.
20:30Because Mary's not your mother.
20:32Mary's the mother of your boyfriend, Sam.
20:34But she seems to be in the centre of all of this for some completely unknown reason.
20:38And has been telling everybody all morning, I'm Scary Mary and I'm dealing with the
20:43whole thing.
20:44Mary's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
20:45Steve's coming out.
20:54What a joke you are, eh?
20:56What a joke you are.
20:57You've seen that child twice since the last time you were come on the show.
21:01And the first time you came to see him, in the meeting, you stank of alcohol.
21:05No, you see him in one meeting and then you see him once at contact.
21:10And when you went to that really important meeting, you stank of alcohol.
21:14If she's been there, why did you ring my sister up a couple of weeks ago saying,
21:18Mary's kicked me out, I have nowhere to go?
21:20No, I didn't.
21:20Exactly, and I offered you a place to stay.
21:23Of course you did.
21:24Did you ring up his sister?
21:26I didn't.
21:26Did you ring my sister's voice?
21:28Yes, you did.
21:29Because I was weird.
21:30You can't believe anything his sister says anyway.
21:33Because she's in my front garden saying that you're an alcoholic.
21:36And you don't deserve to be here.
21:39Lisa.
21:40Do you know what?
21:40Just get on the stage.
21:41Give the sister a round of applause.
21:49And you, you, you're lying with his man.
21:52You're not his man.
21:54Yes, she is.
21:55His man.
21:56Because you're not.
21:57Yes, she is.
21:59Shut the door.
22:00Shut the door.
22:00In the drawer.
22:02Because I know you've got your child's cop.
22:04She's not a cop.
22:05You're a f***ing dining room.
22:06She's not a cop.
22:07We've got a dining room.
22:08She's not a cop.
22:14Shut your mouth.
22:15Be quiet.
22:17Oi, scary Mary.
22:18Sip it.
22:19Whatever.
22:20Zip it until I say you can speak.
22:21I want to talk to her, okay?
22:23Shush.
22:23If anything comes out of her mouth, it's going to be a lie anyway.
22:26Why are you so bleeding angry?
22:28Because she's got contact.
22:30You are his sister.
22:31Now, have you ever slagged your brother off about an alcohol issue to Mary?
22:36No, I haven't.
22:37Yes, she did.
22:37No, I haven't.
22:40Have you ever been in her garden drinking?
22:42I haven't drank in her garden.
22:43Has your brother got a drink problem?
22:46No, he hasn't.
22:46She's been threatening me.
22:48She's been casting me.
22:51Do you take responsibility for any messages you've sent to her?
22:56I've sent her one message saying...
22:58Let's have a listen, shall we?
22:59That's fine.
23:00This is from you to Amy.
23:02Have a listen, my friends.
23:03Be quiet.
23:04The only person who doesn't need a tune when he's 18, I'll make sure he hates you.
23:07For not letting you know you see your son.
23:11And another one.
23:13Hang on, next time I see you, I swear to God.
23:16And that's not a threat.
23:17And that's not a threat.
23:18And another one.
23:21Just make sure you get your son taken off you.
23:25Hold on, hold on, and another one.
23:28How can I be a son when you get like five different fathers?
23:33Oh, and another one.
23:34And two.
23:34And two.
23:34And two.
23:35And two.
23:35And two.
23:36And two.
23:37And one.
23:38And I'll make sure he doesn't have a son with you.
23:41That's you, is it?
23:42Druggy.
23:42And those.
23:43Druggy.
23:43Excuse me.
23:44Gobby.
23:45Shut your mouth and answer the question.
23:46Were they you?
23:47Yeah, they were me.
23:47Nice.
23:48And you're an auntie, are you?
23:49But her.
23:50I had to rip my legs off and my hair off.
23:52You and Sam have been together how long?
23:54Two years.
23:55Two years.
23:56Not a word from anybody.
23:58Sam's on the Jeremy Carl show.
24:07I'm a smuggler.
24:09What am I smuggler?
24:09You need to go back, find your two-year-old daughter, take out the drugs, right, and sort
24:16her out.
24:16What's it all?
24:16Instead of trying to be a barber.
24:18The first time you saw your son, the first time you had contact with your son, where
24:24did you meet us?
24:25Where did you meet Amy?
24:27In a pub.
24:29The second time, the second time you saw your son, the second time you saw your son.
24:35Right, tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what I'm talking about.
24:37You gave us not alcohol with your smuggler.
24:40That's all of you.
24:41If you believe that he's not your son, why did you give him alcohol?
24:46And why did you give him alcohol today, give him to the fridge, and put my left one's
24:52daddy on it?
24:53Why?
24:54Good question.
24:54You know, he shouted something out, which I researched, and it's true.
24:57And so, despite the fact your scary mother, who seems to think she's the grandmother of
25:02his age, you have very little right to stand there smugly having a go at him when you haven't
25:07seen your two-year-old for how long?
25:09I don't know how long.
25:10Sam.
25:11I know how my daughter is doing, and I know where she is, and I know that she's safe.
25:17And I also know that the two parents that are looking after my daughter are doing the
25:22best job that they can.
25:24Why don't you see her?
25:25Why don't you see her?
25:26I don't see her because people have made so much crap about me.
25:32Is this why this situation frustrates you so much?
25:34Yeah, it frustrates me because if I could see my daughter, and I had the opportunity
25:38to see my daughter, I would go to the ends of the earth to see my daughter.
25:42Has no one been paying daddy to son?
25:48Because he's not my son.
25:50If she wants to say she's a grandparent, she can say what she wants.
25:56She doesn't damn sorry more than you ever will.
25:59But you know full well he is.
26:00Right, we need to go to our break.
26:01Hold on, wait, wait, wait.
26:03DNA, let me get.
26:04Hello?
26:05Excuse me, let me get this.
26:08Oh my God.
26:09I'm going to do a break because after this, despite the fact you did a DNA test through the
26:14CSA, which you now seem to think is fake, she says 1,000% it will prove this kid is
26:18yours.
26:19Sam's answered it.
26:20He said the reason I messed up, but that doesn't mean I can sit here and not say do more
26:26because
26:26I would do the same.
26:28We'll find out after this break with DNA.
26:31Okay, join me after the break to see how this story panned out and find out what they're
26:35all up to now.
26:36Plus more unforgettable stories.
26:38We're right back.
26:38Don't go anywhere.
26:39DNA testers, I'll show that Gary...
26:41Stop being so rude.
26:48If you never had sex with her and not did that much, she wouldn't want a baby looking
26:52like you.
26:53Pay for all day to pay for it.
26:58Thank you very much.
27:04Welcome back.
27:05I'm here today looking at some of the best stories from the past few years.
27:08Before the break, we watched as exes at war, Amy and Gary, came to blows after Gary accused
27:13her of faking a private DNA test.
27:18One of your big problems with the potential father of your baby was drugs, yes?
27:23It's not potential.
27:23He is his dad.
27:24He knows he's his dad.
27:25He's just using this as another reason to make me look bad.
27:2799.9% chance.
27:28He did a drugs test, Amy.
27:30Please listen.
27:32Do you take drugs?
27:34No, I don't.
27:34No, 100% clear of every such...
27:38No, no, no, no, no.
27:41Just let it go.
27:43Ruin chills.
27:44Be quiet.
27:45You can sit there.
27:49If it was me, I'd do this.
27:50Look at me.
27:51Oi.
27:51We don't need to prove it.
27:52The show proved it.
27:53If it was me, I'd do this.
27:54I wouldn't say anything.
27:55I'd go, in my side, I'd be thinking, yeah, you've called me every name under the sun
28:00with drugs, and I've just proved it on television, which my son will see, if he's mine, I'm not
28:04on drugs.
28:04I don't need to go, shove that.
28:06Actually, in a dignified, cool way, I'm saying nothing, because that's more powerful.
28:11Do you understand what I'm saying to you?
28:12Yeah, I understand.
28:12As I said to you about voicemails, why don't you all listen a lot more instead of shout?
28:17DNA, yes?
28:18One of these days, I'm going to die on this stage.
28:20Why don't I have a drugs test?
28:22Because apparently they're on drugs.
28:22Do you want to do me a favour?
28:24I can only do so much.
28:27Just seriously, wind your neck in it.
28:28Because I made him have work, so why haven't they have work?
28:31I didn't make him do anything.
28:32Steve, you start the ambulance.
28:33You lot over the once, it's like me off saying I was a raging drug user.
28:37That's funny, because we don't waste our time.
28:39Yeah, brilliant.
28:39Gary, you spend most of your life on the boss.
28:41At this rate, the kid's going to be caught in care, so it'll be a good idea, won't it?
28:44Oi, oi, at this rate, the kid'll be in care at this, right?
28:48Because you're all just going to end up just...
28:49Probably foul.
28:50Good riddance.
28:50Are you kidding me?
28:52Have you ever been into care?
28:53Yes, I have for you.
28:55That piece of a...
28:57Is the favour of my choice?
28:58Could I do the DNA?
28:59Yeah, please do.
29:00Could I do the...
29:01Will you shut up?
29:02I'll shut your face, you.
29:04You cared about Lucy, you would actually have a guy after saying that.
29:06You wouldn't let him sit there and let him say that about my son.
29:10Why don't you shut your face?
29:11You are, son.
29:12Go take your drugs or whatever you do.
29:13Oh, shut up.
29:14Go pay him.
29:15I'll call you my guys.
29:17Can I...
29:17Can I...
29:18Can I...
29:18Can I...
29:19I really am sick of it.
29:21Why don't you...
29:22I have a bedroom.
29:23You told my team...
29:24You told my team...
29:26I would be better off not being the dad so I would never have to see her again.
29:31Yeah, because I'm sick of all the...
29:32But he is.
29:33He is.
29:34And he said that if he is and he wants every penny of the maintenance back...
29:38The DNA test results...
29:40Gary is the father.
29:51Do me a favour.
29:52You and you.
29:53Out the studio.
29:54Go.
29:55Thank you very much.
29:56Sit there.
29:57Hold that.
29:58That's it, isn't it?
29:59Come with me.
30:01Come this way.
30:01Seriously, shut them up right now.
30:07Jeez.
30:09Sam?
30:10I'm not running.
30:12I need your help.
30:13I need just her and him.
30:14And I need you to talk her and do it.
30:15At least having a chat with me.
30:16And everybody else, you and your mum, go.
30:17For me, Sammy.
30:18I've been straight with you.
30:19Amy.
30:19Amy.
30:21Listen to me.
30:22He's not seeing him.
30:22Will you listen to me?
30:23Shut up and listen to me a minute.
30:24Listen to this man.
30:25Not you.
30:27Not me.
30:27Shut up.
30:28Let her listen to Sam.
30:29Be quiet.
30:30We know he's the dad.
30:32If we wanted to fake a DNA test, we'd have put it as me.
30:35This man's sensible.
30:36Listen.
30:36Listen.
30:37But listen.
30:38Right?
30:38Just sit down.
30:40Listen to more of his...
30:41And get it over and done with.
30:42And then we can go home and be with our...
30:45Your son and my best friend.
30:47Our son.
30:48Because he's...
30:50Well, it is until he's watching.
30:52And I'm Monday morning.
30:54Just sat there saying every bad word about me.
30:56I'm a bad girl.
30:57My friend's your child.
31:00You're a scumbag.
31:01He's...
31:02You came out of here.
31:03You dragged me on here last time and told him that I'm a drucky and I understand me a lot.
31:08Baker, why have you taken a drug step?
31:10I'm naïve to take a drug step and you've done...
31:19Good for me!
31:20Good for me!
31:20Because all he can...
31:23Why are you bawling your own kid?
31:25What are you...
31:26No, because I always want to be a bawling...
31:29You're not going to be a...
31:29As a girl, he can't be fine...
31:36Sam, Sam...
31:37Do you know what? Can I say something?
31:38Please, seriously, Mary, Mary.
31:41Go, both of you.
31:43I'll deal with it. Stop being so rude!
31:46Seriously!
31:47You've got no chance seeing your kid
31:49because all you do is slag everybody off.
31:52Now, part your backside down there
31:53and I'll do my best now.
31:56And you!
31:57You go!
32:00I don't care if you stick three chairs up for him.
32:02Shut up and listen.
32:04Sit there!
32:06Now, get them out!
32:07Rarely do I lose it!
32:13Anybody, even so much as makes a sound,
32:16I'll probably headbutt the wall.
32:18I don't care, OK?
32:22I don't care what you think of him.
32:25I don't care what you think of her.
32:27I don't care if you spend the rest of your life with Sam
32:31or you live with his mother.
32:32I don't care if you're with Becky
32:35and you sleep with every postcode in the Western world.
32:39However,
32:40this kid,
32:43this kid,
32:44this
32:46kid
32:47will watch this
32:49and take this in.
32:51Whatever you think.
32:52Whatever you think.
32:54And I'm going to say one thing
32:55because I'm not spending much time with you anymore.
32:57I'll let him try
32:58because you don't listen.
32:59Shame on you both.
33:01I have a very good friend
33:03who spent 11 years
33:04trying to conceive a kid.
33:06If he watches this today,
33:09my mate,
33:10what do you think he thinks?
33:12People like you.
33:15Do you think he thinks you deserve it?
33:17But I'm with Marcel.
33:17Having been quiet.
33:18But I'm with Marcel 24 hours.
33:19If you love,
33:20it's not about that.
33:21If you love your child,
33:23both of you,
33:23I'll keep him away from that scum bag.
33:25If you love your child,
33:27you will find an attempt
33:29to find common ground.
33:30Do you know why?
33:30No.
33:31Because your kid will blame you.
33:32He's just sat there.
33:33And you rip your kid.
33:33I'll tell you what,
33:34why don't you make your kid
33:35like a piece of paper?
33:36You pull him that way,
33:37you pull him that way,
33:38and he'll end up being messed up.
33:40Because this show
33:41can only do so much.
33:44Now, since the show,
33:45I caught up with them all
33:46to see how they're doing.
33:47Amy says that Gary
33:48has not been in contact with her
33:49once since the show
33:50to arrange contact
33:51to see their son.
33:52She says their son
33:53is better off without him
33:54and insists that she has given him
33:55every opportunity.
33:56Now, Gary states that the reason
33:58he hasn't seen his son
33:59is because of Amy stopping him.
34:01And he says he has no choice
34:02but to move on.
34:03Now, he says he is waiting
34:04until his son is old enough
34:05to make his own decisions
34:05about contact
34:06and very much hopes
34:07that one day
34:08they will be able
34:09to have a relationship.
34:11I guess that's the thing
34:11about this show.
34:12We can only do so much.
34:13And I guess we all hope
34:14that their issues
34:15can be resolved in the future.
34:17Now, you might remember
34:18my next guest
34:19from an appearance
34:19on this show years ago
34:21that centred around
34:22some broken shire horses.
34:24Donna, Jay and Lynn
34:25returned to the show
34:25last year
34:26as Donna wanted
34:26to tell her sister
34:27Lynn's now ex-husband Jay
34:29to stay away from her sister.
34:31Take a look at this,
34:31my friends.
34:34Jay and Lynn
34:36were together
34:37and on the last show
34:39when you and Lynn
34:39were at Loggerheads
34:40they were like tight
34:41but now it's all gone wrong.
34:43You say she divorced him
34:44three years ago
34:45when she caught...
34:46Well, why don't you tell him
34:47you need to speak up.
34:48Playing with his
34:49and a woman on camera.
34:56Tell them what happened.
34:58She went upstairs.
35:00She went upstairs.
35:01I caught him playing
35:02with his and threw him out.
35:04He was playing with his...
35:05What, just playing?
35:06What was he doing?
35:11He was watching
35:12a pornographic movie
35:14featuring a 60-year-old woman.
35:17Is that true?
35:18Yeah.
35:19That wasn't the only reason
35:20and this is the serious side.
35:22You said that he was violent.
35:23Yeah, he used to batter her.
35:25What did you see?
35:27Well, I only found out
35:28two days ago
35:29that he actually
35:30did attack her
35:31and she ended up
35:32in hospital plenty of times.
35:33This was all news to you, yeah?
35:34Yeah.
35:35Get your turn.
35:36You say he controlled her.
35:38Yeah, he used to control
35:40the way she looked
35:41which, as you know,
35:43she didn't look that good
35:44at one point.
35:45I'm on about
35:46when she appeared
35:47on the last show.
35:48He used to make
35:49crude fat jokes
35:50about her, didn't he?
35:51Yeah.
35:51What did he used to say?
35:52He used to call her
35:53belly balancer,
35:54smelly fatty.
35:57Fair enough,
35:57she's a big gal, right?
35:59But nobody should have
36:00to put up with being gal.
36:01He was really rude to her,
36:02wasn't he?
36:03He would...
36:04Shut up.
36:05Shut up, idiot.
36:07He wouldn't give you...
36:08He wouldn't give her any money,
36:10would he?
36:10He wouldn't let her go out.
36:11It's £20 a fortnight
36:12for housekeeping,
36:13that was it.
36:14Nothing else?
36:14No.
36:15My mum used to make
36:16her food parcels up.
36:17She's now remarried?
36:19Yeah.
36:19Happy?
36:20Shut up!
36:22She's happy
36:23and you're here to...
36:24She's...
36:24The thing about Linny's
36:25now,
36:26she's moved on
36:27and she's calm
36:29and she's happy
36:29but you're not,
36:31are you?
36:31Not till he leaves her alone.
36:33Not when you found out
36:34he was violent?
36:35No.
36:36So...
36:36I'm not even going to
36:37tell him shut up
36:38because you're going to
36:38make me look like
36:39a church mouse.
36:40What are you going
36:41to say to that today?
36:42Get out of her life.
36:44Stay out of her life
36:45and leave her alone.
36:46Are you...
36:46You need my help
36:47or are you...
36:48You're alright?
36:48I'll tell him.
36:49You're alright, aren't you?
36:50Give me five.
36:51Shay's on the way out.
36:52Give him a round of applause.
36:53One, two, three.
36:57Come on.
36:58I'm not going to say...
36:59I'm not going to say...
37:01I'm not going to say...
37:02I'm not going to say...
37:03You're for alone, mate.
37:04I might have to work with a stick
37:05if someone put you on your face.
37:09Sit down.
37:10Whatever.
37:12I've had no contact
37:13with that...
37:14fat...
37:15Why did you twist that?
37:16It's what I'm doing.
37:18Two days ago, because you've seen...
37:19She moved after I moved on.
37:22Because you saw her outside your house on a wedding day.
37:25Whatever. Why would you want to be outside your house?
37:27Hold on a minute.
37:28She's married?
37:30Yeah.
37:30I only found out this morning.
37:32So, right off.
37:36Why don't you mind your own business, you f***?
37:39I mind. Really? Yeah, really? Really?
37:41It's my sister, you're a beautiful f***.
37:44God, get us out.
37:46She's here. She's here.
37:47She's here. She's here.
37:48Do it.
37:49All right, whatever.
37:50So, what's this about your...
37:52If I was an abuser, I'd have been inside now.
37:56No, but she was trying to bring the police to you.
37:59Because she controls her that much, you idiot.
38:02Yeah, whatever.
38:03Yeah, whatever.
38:05But why are you being rude to him?
38:06Sorry, Jeremy, but I've been stopped by the police.
38:10Were you ever violent to Lynn?
38:11No, I've never been violent to any woman.
38:13The other day, you punched her in the chest, knowing she's full well, she's got asthma.
38:17When was this?
38:18Well, when you was with her, obviously.
38:21Funny.
38:21You punched her in the chest when she's got asthma, you punched her in the face, and she's still got
38:25the delve in her forehead.
38:27Delve?
38:27I've never touched a woman.
38:31Yeah, you haven't.
38:32Basically.
38:32Oh, what?
38:33Sorry, I never even touched Lynn when we got married.
38:36You never had sex with her, did you?
38:38No.
38:38No, we never consternated.
38:39Because of the rude remarking, saying that she was too fat and couldn't get anywhere near it.
38:44No, that was your lady.
38:46I told her she had to sort her attitude out, because once we got married, it went downhill.
38:50Right, so let me get this straight.
38:51You didn't have sex with her.
38:53How long were you married to her for?
38:54Seven years.
38:55And you never had sex with her?
38:56No, because I told her she had to get her medical problems sorted.
38:59Were you caught in the bathroom masturbating to a pornographic video, or something, of a 60-year-old woman?
39:06No.
39:06You were, weren't you?
39:07Yeah, you were.
39:08I wish.
39:09Yeah, you was.
39:10You wish?
39:14Basically, I wish I was on land.
39:16Were you caught masturbating in the bathroom by Lynn?
39:19Yeah, you was, because you rang up a man.
39:21You're a disgusting piece of...
39:23He rang up a bunch of liars in your house.
39:26I don't think so.
39:27Yes, you were.
39:28That way, really.
39:29Yeah.
39:30Why are you here today?
39:31Tell him to get out of her life, stay out of her life, stop harassing her.
39:34Hold on, Jeremy.
39:35I haven't talked to her, not me.
39:37I'm just sitting here trying to work.
39:38I've had more contact with her since the day I moved down.
39:40Did you know she was married?
39:42Only this morning.
39:43Are you unhappy about that?
39:44Do you still love her?
39:45I feel sorry for the poor...
39:48He looks after her better than you will ever do, mate.
39:51Or ever did.
39:51What about you?
39:53When did you ever go and do a full day's work and treat my sister to clothes?
39:56When did you ever cook her a meal?
39:58Never.
39:59A few terms.
40:00She says you only gave her 20 quid every two weeks for housekeeping.
40:03Yeah, I did.
40:03Because that's all we had left, because I was paying both our debts off.
40:06Lynn didn't have a debt till she had met you.
40:08She didn't even have her own house.
40:10She lived with my mum, so how did she end up in debt?
40:13Catalogues.
40:14No, I don't think so.
40:15She told me she had catalogues and loans.
40:17It's your debt.
40:17You're the one that's been...
40:21You told me...
40:22You told my team...
40:24She was that greedy, she used to steal money from the church fund to buy doughnuts and food and stuff.
40:29Is that right?
40:30Yes, she used to steal from the church.
40:32To buy food?
40:34You didn't get caught?
40:34No.
40:34So you didn't get caught?
40:36You didn't get caught then, dipping into the old lady's purses, what you used to pick up on the buses.
40:43No.
40:43Really?
40:43You used to pick up old ladies up on the buses?
40:45I'm a minibus driver.
40:47I picked up old ladies and disabled.
40:49I'm totally confused.
40:50Now, Lynn, how long were you married to Lynn for?
40:52Seven years.
40:54Lynn's on the plasma.
40:55Can I...
40:56Matt, is she there?
40:57How are you, Lynn?
40:59Yeah, I'm fine.
41:01What's it like seeing him again?
41:03Well, I'm filming Jay talking so much.
41:05It's unreal.
41:07Right after the break, we see what happens when Jay and Lynn get the chance to confront each other again.
41:12Don't go anywhere, my friends, because we're right back.
41:15She's f*****g f*****g welcome.
41:17And she said it was my being.
41:20To be honest, I'm a bit of disgusted.
41:23I want your baby.
41:24And I'll have her have sex with her.
41:25And normally that's what she want, but the baby looking like you.
41:28Tenfold, dead to perfect!
41:31Have you got a jealous partner?
41:39Are you the one that cannot control your jealousy?
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42:10thank you very much indeed welcome back today we're checking in with some of my favorite guests
42:14from the past few years to see how they're doing now now before the break we were looking at donna
42:18and jay let's see my friends what happened next take a look at this what's it like seeing him again
42:33seriously you'll smack me in the chest knowing i had no i didn't you you got grassed up to the
42:38social didn't you for committing benefit fraud look at them there excuse me can i just say
42:44it was me that reported you
42:46what are you going to work because i'm on the sick with spondylosis what's spondylosis i haven't had a
42:56in the toilet
42:58yeah you have
43:03when i get hold of you i'm going to buy you
43:07i might be scared of you jay but i tell you something the next time i see you you're going
43:11to get it
43:12she's not scared do you know i'm not you see because she's not scared of fenders
43:16right listen to me look at me look at me
43:20well the other one that was nearly crying right you don't need to do that though do you you don't
43:23need to do that do you look at me you don't need to do that do you
43:26no because if you do something he's a waste of space if you do that to him then you get
43:30into
43:30trouble you don't need to do that so are you a benefit fraud cheat
43:33no i am on the street were you prosecuted no you've got some people to support you here today
43:38haven't you who are you is that is it you what's your name
43:40hailey what do you want to say basically these two are both liars i've known jay for two years
43:45well i've never met you two years i've never met you let me ask my speed
43:49i've never met you two years in the last two years yeah he's not been near you
43:55he hasn't contacted you what about october last year at the armor barracks
43:59he was that he's good at me he was drinking he wasn't even october and i had my back to
44:04you
44:04because i didn't want to see
44:16so are you um are you her new husband no no donna's new partner oh donna's but right
44:22okay what's your view of this money i've only met him two three times and the first time i met
44:55him i didn't like him one bit at all
44:57i want them to stop lying and causing i'm lying then
45:02i've had nothing to do with them for two years
45:04if i'm lying and i've been in trouble and i've been in trouble with dwp
45:11that's because she was wearing it and there was a weapon yes you are driving the minibus for
45:18you get paid three pounder when you get three pounds on
45:34so you haven't
45:36two years and you haven't been whatevering no what are you doing then
45:41trying to get my life together but they won't let me
45:44hey it's in your first since it was last on the show do you all right
45:47so i'll let you go then so you know what i mean so don't make a
45:54lynn what are you doing here she brought me on not you so speak to the
46:01and just
46:05ben's staying with us go up okay oh god we're going off another
46:08is this the one that yes she's been
46:12swear down and she said it was my being
46:16to your honest it wasn't your being at all you're disgusting
46:20baby she's got the scam photo she blamed me
46:23he pinched the scam photo when it's my
46:25you're better than that you're better than that excuse me you look that's
46:29disgusting i want your baby and you never had sex with her and not only that but she
46:33won't want a baby looking like you
46:35penfold dirty pervert that's what you like
46:38you know what you like i got locked up for one reason
46:42because you don't because you couldn't look after your kids
46:45is it yeah whatever do not make your
46:48stop to it then get off me now get off me
46:51but now you've just
46:52i'll lock him in the car you
47:06look at me go and look after your sister and leave this to me
47:10you think it's all right do you to make comments about their kids you can make
47:14comments about their size but you know what there is in life there's people who
47:17have decency and there are people who speak in the right way you are
47:21not then
47:22one thing that will come out of this is you don't ever have to come here again can
47:25you get this off my stage please
47:35listen you two listen to me i know that you came here to protect your sister look
47:38at me look at me sticks and stones and all that you can make horrible comments listen
47:43do you know the nicest thing when i heard about this
47:47what was the best thing again like you two are all right
47:49no it's going to be all right all the likes of the scrum like him stay out with the life
47:53she's trying to go shop about my spine on her
47:55listen you two have to stay strong she's married
47:58oh i respect you for doing that today you all right
48:00you promise yeah sorry about the um the comments that were unfair but people like
48:06that always say things like that okay we've all made mistakes we've all messed
48:09up but you came here to support your sister all right
48:12we'll get your man down we'll get it all sorted you okay yeah fine all right
48:15we'll leave you with stephan the grain
48:18now i've been back in contact with these guests to see how they're doing
48:21donna lynn and jay say they're glad they came to the show because they can now
48:24draw a line in the sand and move on with their lives jay says he's no longer in
48:27contact with donna and lynn something he says is for the best
48:30donna says she's looking forward to planning a wedding with her partner as ever i
48:35guests on the show i just wish them the best of luck and hope their futures are
48:38bright i am for this morning out of time if you want to be on the show you need
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48:43audience and to you at home thanks for watching i'll see you very
48:46soon take care bye
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