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00:00Chris Collinsworth last night talking about Kyle Shanahan opening up about that whole mystery
00:08of who did you move up to draft the year that you took Trey Lance.
00:14And I guess Shanahan did tell Collinsworth some things.
00:19This is, again, from NBC.
00:21We asked Kyle about it, and he said, you know, I probably had too long to think about it.
00:25We made the trade. I knew who I was going to take.
00:27You know, we were looking at Mac, and you have longer and longer to think about it
00:32than you're watching Trey Lance, and you see all the different things he could do athletically,
00:36running the football, and I kind of just talked myself out of it.
00:40So we're happy to have him back here, despite the fact it was two more stops in between
00:45before he got to San Francisco.
00:47Can we just imagine for a second?
00:50Let's go through this, because for me, I don't know about you,
00:52We're obviously aware of the reports have been out there since before the draft even happened that year.
00:59But for me, this is the most confirmation, this is the most open,
01:06that Kyle Shanahan has ever been publicly with regard to what he was planning to go do in that draft.
01:14And the story he tells is, we made the trade, and I think people have said there's a lean to a heavy lean.
01:22The way he puts it is kind of like, no, we made the trade, and that's who I'm thinking.
01:27But then, okay, a lot of time to think about it, and you see all the other stuff.
01:31But to use the sentence that I talked myself out of Mac Jones is the most confirming thing to the story
01:39that I've ever heard, I don't know what the hell Sunday Night Football is bringing,
01:44what potion they give everybody.
01:46The truth serum.
01:47What the hell?
01:48Everybody's just telling them everything.
01:49Right.
01:50All the things that they've been asked a million times, and they wouldn't say.
01:55It's Collinsworth and Stark walking into the room, and they're just like,
01:58what do you want to know?
01:59Yep.
02:00I'll tell you about my first kiss when I was in sixth grade.
02:02They just told them everything, which is, I mean, it's great.
02:07It's great that they were that open.
02:09I've never heard that before.
02:11Not from the horse's mouth.
02:12No, and you can be more open now that Mac is back here and Mac is playing great.
02:17So it almost affirms what you initially thought.
02:21So now if you come out and say, yeah, I kind of talked myself out of it,
02:24what you're signaling is that I liked Mac more than Trey all along,
02:28and all that time I had to think about it, I got wooed by the athleticism,
02:32and you know what?
02:33But this just proved to me that what I thought first was right, here's Mac.
02:38He's great.
02:39I love him.
02:40I was right the first time.
02:41Forget those draft picks that I shoveled into the fire.
02:44Let's go ahead and disregard that part of the story.
02:46But for now, let's talk about how, yeah, I talked myself out of it.
02:50I do like the fact that he takes full ownership of it.
02:54There's no sense of like, yeah, you know, we got together as a group,
02:56and there was a split vote, and ultimately, you know,
02:59other people kind of, you know, won me over and stuff.
03:02He takes full ownership of, I talked myself out of it.
03:05Well, it's his call.
03:07You have to take ownership.
03:08Well, I mean, you don't because you're not the GM,
03:11and you could like, you know what I mean, Mark?
03:13I do.
03:14You could shuffle around, and you could soft pedal it and be like,
03:17well, you know, all of us in the group, we got together,
03:19and it was a group think, and, you know,
03:21ultimately it came down to a tight vote and stuff,
03:23and I should have been firmer in my stance.
03:25Yeah, but you know the dynamic in the Niners organization.
03:29When it comes to an offensive player, there is one person who has the card.
03:35That's it.
03:36He has the card, and he gets to make that call.
03:41I mean, honestly, if there were a quarterback debate in the Niner room,
03:45and everybody in the room liked one guy, and Kyle liked the other guy,
03:50if Kyle wanted to stand on the table, that's it.
03:54His guy's the guy.
03:55He wouldn't even have to stand on the table, to your point.
03:57Yeah, it's like, this is who I think we should take.
03:59This is what we're doing.
04:00Well, that's probably the way this happened,
04:02where you got all the way up to the point of the selection,
04:06and you're going to trade up to get your guy,
04:08and Kyle decides at the last minute or whenever he decided, like, yeah, Trey Lance.
04:13I'm wooed by the athleticism.
04:15I'm wooed by the upside.
04:16And as much as I love Mac Jones,
04:19I think Trey Lance is a guy who maybe has a higher ceiling,
04:22and so you make that pick, and it doesn't work out and stuff.
04:25And so now you have the ability to be honest,
04:27now that you have Mac, and Mac is every bit as good as you thought he'd be.
04:31You want to go down that road for a second?
04:32Let's do it.
04:33What if?
04:36What's the world look like?
04:37If they would have taken Mac Jones,
04:38then you probably don't have Brock Purdy.
04:42Or you have him, but he's not playing.
04:47Because remember, they drafted Brock Purdy a year after Trey Lance with the full idea that they already had their starting quarterback of the future.
04:55So it's not like they drafted Brock in order to play him as their starter.
04:59So I think we can go on the premise that you still draft Brock,
05:03but at the same time, I think the first thing that actually probably happens is Jimmy doesn't get signed back.
05:09I think that's number one.
05:11Number one is Jimmy Garoppolo never gets signed back.
05:14That year where they said they were going to trade him and then they never did,
05:17I've always thought that was a hedge because they didn't like what they were seeing from Trey Lance in camp.
05:22So in other words, I think Jimmy Garoppolo never comes back.
05:25Mac Jones is the starter.
05:28Brock Purdy is the backup.
05:30And then would we have ever seen Brock play?
05:34I mean, there are injuries in the NFL, so probably.
05:36However, if you think about how Trey Lance got hurt,
05:40Mac Jones is not getting hurt that way most likely.
05:42No.
05:42Because he's not going to run the ball.
05:44Well, Mac Jones would be, and he is in year five right now,
05:48so you would have had to, at this point,
05:50you would have had to make a decision on Mac Jones to either give him the Brock Purdy contract
05:55or some sort of a contract.
05:57And so now you've got Brock Purdy in year three or year four as your backup.
06:02He's probably not your backup anymore.
06:04If you would have invested in Mac Jones,
06:05if Mac would have come on and been good enough,
06:09then you would have kept Mac Jones and extended him,
06:11and Brock Purdy just would have been a backup who never got to play.
06:15Well, it's just so, I mean, what I find, because there's no answer to this, right?
06:19There's no way, I don't know what would have happened.
06:21Well, with injury, you never know, right?
06:22With injury, I don't know if Mac, like Mac would have been a rookie,
06:25as opposed to, like, you're getting him now,
06:28but you're getting him as a five-year veteran in this league,
06:31so he would have had to go through those bumps and bruises with Kyle.
06:35Would it have looked really good?
06:36I don't know.
06:37Maybe.
06:38Remember, at that time, you're coming into a team that's really ready to win.
06:43You're ready to ride.
06:45You've just, in fact, actually, you're starting,
06:48Christian McCaffrey's not on the team yet,
06:50but he's going to get acquired basically later in the year.
06:55You're going to acquire Christian McCaffrey,
06:57and so where does Mac take that?
07:00I mean, someone just texted in,
07:01Boxer and Gerson work injury attorney's text line,
07:04and goes, if they had drafted Mac, then there's no Brock Purdy,
07:07and we probably would have won a Super Bowl by now.
07:10Well, now you're assuming that Mac would have been,
07:13A, so good right out of the gate that he would have replicated
07:16multiple deep trips into the playoffs.
07:19I don't know that that would have happened.
07:21And, B, I think that you're also, I don't know,
07:25are we falling a little bit too much in love with what you're watching right now?
07:30Somewhat, but.
07:31He looks really good.
07:32The Niners don't look dominant.
07:34They're not dominating teams.
07:35No, but if you draft him in 2021, you still have Jimmy.
07:39Jimmy leads you to the playoffs.
07:40You go 10 and 7 that year, and Mac Jones is your Trey Lance.
07:44He's your backup.
07:45And so then you get to the next year,
07:47and Garoppolo, again, is your starting quarterback,
07:50and then he gets hurt,
07:51and so you had Brock Purdy, right, in 2022?
07:55No, I believe that year.
07:56So after Jimmy takes him to the playoffs,
07:59they lose the Rams in the NFC title game.
08:01Remember, it was right after that game that he did the see ya.
08:04Right.
08:04So he was supposed to go.
08:05He did not come back as the starting quarterback.
08:07Trey was the starter.
08:08Right, but Jimmy came back.
08:09Jimmy was signed in camp to be the backup.
08:11Right.
08:12Which, you know, we all debated, I thought,
08:14was a hedge because they weren't loving what they were seeing from Trey.
08:17Right, they weren't liking it early.
08:18They were not liking it early, but Trey's the starter.
08:21He gets hurt.
08:23Hell, that was week one, right?
08:25Week two, yeah.
08:27Week two, yes.
08:28The Bears game was week one.
08:29Trey started two games, yep.
08:29The Seahawks game was week two.
08:32That's when Trey gets hurt.
08:33Jimmy comes in.
08:34He's your starter.
08:35He goes for what, six games?
08:36Seven and three.
08:37Okay.
08:38And then Brock goes five and oh.
08:39Yep.
08:40So, I don't know.
08:41It's all so wildly hypothetical and it's kind of fun to just play that game.
08:45But if Mack was in the Trey Lance role, maybe he comes in and he starts and he doesn't get hurt and he plays well.
08:53Right.
08:53And, you know, he goes out there and he's the dude.
08:56Totally.
08:56And then Brock Purdy becomes a guy who's just QB two.
09:00Right.
09:00And then, you know, Mack comes back again as a starter and Brock never sees the light of day.
09:04Maybe he gets a shot.
09:05Maybe he doesn't.
09:06Yep.
09:06Or maybe there's an injury to Mack somewhere there.
09:08Brock goes in.
09:09Does he elevate?
09:10Does he not?
09:11Like, I mean, obviously.
09:13I mean, this is just kind of for fun.
09:15Yeah.
09:15There's no way to know.
09:16But, like, it's really a wild story to think about how interwoven this all is and how it would have gone if Kyle had done something that gets suggested to me every year of my life.
09:29I bet the same for you.
09:31Trust your gut.
09:32Yeah.
09:32Like, trust your initial gut.
09:35And Kyle did not in this case.
09:37There's a book by Malcolm Gladwell.
09:39Think what you want about him as a person or as an author.
09:42But the book is called Blink.
09:44Okay.
09:44And I read this book and it's about that very thing.
09:47Like, sometimes and a lot of times your first instinct when you come to make a decision is the right one.
09:53And I actually was reading that book when I chose to change jobs in 2011.
09:58Oh.
09:58I had a job with another radio station and a job popped open and I was going through.
10:03I don't know if you ever do this where you list the pros on one side and you list the cons on the other.
10:07I've done it.
10:07And you go through and you're like pro, pro, con, con, whatever.
10:11It usually just leads to a migraine headache.
10:12But anyway.
10:13Yeah.
10:13And so I looked at that and I thought, what's my instinct?
10:17What does my gut tell me?
10:19And my gut told me to leave station A and come to station B.
10:23And so I did it.
10:24Yeah.
10:24And part of it was because I got goaded by my then wife who called me some names.
10:30She's like, what are you afraid of?
10:32I said, what am I afraid of?
10:35I'm afraid of my career imploding right before my eyes.
10:38And then she hit me with a meow.
10:41And I said.
10:42She did not.
10:43She meowed you?
10:44She meowed me.
10:45She did not.
10:46She said.
10:47You're trying to take care of a family and the person who's being provided for meowed you?
10:54She meowed me.
10:55And I was like, did you just meow me?
10:57And she said, yeah, I meowed you.
11:01And I said, you know what?
11:02I'll take the job.
11:04Meow me?
11:05You gonna meow me?
11:07You gonna meow me?
11:08Oh, my God.
11:10Meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow.
11:12Oh, I remember that commotion.
11:13Thank you, Meow Mix.
11:14Anyway, I took the job.
11:15Oh, my God.
11:16Well, it's a good thing.
11:17Yeah.
11:17Although, how many times has this place fired you?
11:19Only once, Mark.
11:20Let's go to the phones.
11:21How dare you?
11:24I mean, you know.
11:25No longer a victory Monday.
11:27Oh, I guess not.
11:28All right.
11:28Let's go to Scott Moran.
11:29Hi, Scott.
11:30Thanks for the call.
11:32Hey.
11:33How you doing?
11:34Hey, look.
11:35There's a couple things here.
11:36I never thought.
11:37There was always this narrative about Kyle of not having the decision that somebody talked
11:42him into or all this BS.
11:45He's the decision maker, period.
11:47I mean, he hired the GM, from what I recall.
11:49And so, this is his team.
11:52And then, the other thing is, Brock Purdy is a better quarterback than Mac Jones.
11:58It all turned out just fine.
12:01And then, as far as Trey Lance, you know, at that time, everybody was looking for another
12:07Mahomes.
12:09And that's what they thought they had in Trey Lance.
12:12Yep.
12:12Obviously, it was a big mistake.
12:13I mean, they burned those, you know, it cost them, but they, you know, that last pick
12:19is the best quarterback on this team, and the best quarterback on this team in a very
12:24freaking long time.
12:26So, I haven't, I mean, Mac's done a great job, but, I mean, that mobility and the ability
12:33to make off-schedule plays and all, I mean, he knows how to play the position.
12:37He was born to play the position.
12:39He's going to be a great quarterback.
12:41You know, it's just, I just, I'm just happy they have Mac Jones as the backup, but not
12:46what they've had the last couple of other seasons, because it was a disaster.
12:51So, anyway, that's, I mean, I just think, Kyle's a boss.
12:55Let's just, you know, he may have changed his mind, but he's the one that made the decision,
13:00and that was that.
13:01I've never believed any of the other stuff.
13:03Yeah, Scott, thanks very much.
13:04Yeah, I appreciate, I see it the same way Scott does, but you learn every year of your
13:09life, especially as you get older, that two rational people can look at a blue piece of
13:14paper and think, and one of them thinks it's blue and the other one thinks it's yellow.
13:19I, like, I mean, Scott, you can tell, is almost a little bit emotional about it.
13:23He's like, Brock Purdy's about, like, are you all nuts?
13:26And I'm here to tell you, Scott, with all the engagement we get, yeah, there are a lot
13:29of people who think right now that Mac Jones quarterbacks this team better than Brock Purdy.
13:33A lot of people think that.
13:35I don't, but I'm, like, I'm able to handle the fact that a lot of people do.
13:41Yeah, and when Brock is cleared to play, we'll put up a poll again, who should start on Sunday,
13:46and then we'll run about 60-40, and I'm not sure which way the 60 will be.
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