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00:00All right, so if anybody, like, mature brain here, I mean, I know on social media all things live,
00:07but mature brain here, I think most people will go, all right, there's not a court about controversy now,
00:15and as you sort of put, not yet.
00:17Not yet.
00:18Okay, okay, I'll accept that.
00:20There's certainly, there's a path where this could lead to that, at least in the near term.
00:26If Matt keeps winning games, Brock gets healthy, he comes back and starts losing games,
00:32well, yeah, you owe it to your locker room to win football games.
00:36So, sure, there's that path, but that, in this moment, remains a hypothetical
00:41and something that has not occurred as of yet.
00:45So, if the mature thinking brain can go, we don't have a quarterback controversy yet,
00:51then my question would be, why the hell would you purposefully try to have one?
00:57Why would you push for one?
00:59Why would you welcome controversy into your building, especially controversy that does not seem to fit?
01:07Now, I don't want to make a comp that's going to get everybody all, you know, feathers ruffled here,
01:12but if you need any evidence on how football teams feel about controversy and how badly they don't want it,
01:17I don't know, take a look at what happened to Colin Kaepernick's career or Shadur Sanders' draft status.
01:23Were those things fair?
01:24Hell no.
01:25But that's the way football teams operate.
01:28They do not reach out and purposefully welcome things that feel dramatic into the room.
01:35You could even go to Michael Sam and Antonio Brown.
01:38Absolutely.
01:39There's a million examples.
01:41There's a million of them, but situations, and even like Miko Grimes, her husband.
01:47Oh, God.
01:47Yeah, Brent Grimes.
01:48Yeah, thank you.
01:48I knew it wasn't Quentin Grimes, but I couldn't remember which Grimes it was,
01:52but the Grimes thing, that became a thing.
01:55So, yes, all these other things, and put aside the politicized aspect of some of the references you've made,
02:01yes, these teams don't want that.
02:03They don't want to have to stand up in their locker and have questions be asked about stuff that is nonsensical.
02:09Did the 49ers, after they lost to the Rams last year at home in the rain,
02:13did they just pull Devondre Campbell aside and say, look, don't do that.
02:18All right, we'll see you at practice on Wednesday.
02:20No, they say, get the hell out of here and don't ever come back.
02:22Think about Jonathan Gannon yesterday, where he had to go up in front of the media and say,
02:26what I did to Di Mercado was not me.
02:30It wasn't good.
02:30It wasn't me and the whole thing, and that was controversy that he actually kind of started
02:36because of the way he reacted toward his player, which was over the line, no doubt.
02:41But because it was over the line, now he has to come out,
02:44and so I don't know if his teammates have to answer those questions,
02:47but it's at the very least a distraction.
02:49Too bad the ball wasn't over the line.
02:51Then none of that would have happened.
02:52But anyway, I mean, there's always this and that,
02:57and so I understand it, the only thing that matters to a football team is winning games.
03:02So if Mac Jones keeps winning games, I get it.
03:05People are going to be like, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?
03:09Well, I think most of us, if not all of us, can at least acknowledge the difficulty of that kind of an opinion here,
03:19in this particular case.
03:20No, it's not black and white, and it's not always what you push for.
03:27Oh, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
03:29Well, it's a little different in a case like this, and I'm not just talking about money,
03:34and I'm not just talking about politics.
03:37But, for example, listen to this from Brian Baldinger.
03:40This is on with the Joes this morning on the morning roast,
03:43and I actually find the concept that he's talking about here,
03:47this is super dangerous for the 49ers if they take his advice.
03:51I don't disagree with that at all, and it's not a knock on Brock.
03:55I mean, if he's 95%, why put him out there?
03:57Like, why not until you're absolutely certain that he's 100%?
04:01And if Mac wins a fourth game against a very good Tampa team,
04:05then I would definitely leave him in at this point.
04:07I believe in riding the hot hand.
04:08It just happens.
04:09It's not, you're not trying to usurp somebody,
04:12but your job is to win as many games as you possibly can, however you do it.
04:16And you cannot be worried about any player egos or anything else.
04:20I mean, Mac's playing great football right now.
04:22And so, I don't know.
04:23Like, I wouldn't be in a hurry to make that change.
04:24Okay, so part of what he says I completely agree with, but then he switches.
04:28He says, look, if Brock's only 95% healthy, why would you rush it?
04:32Totally agree.
04:33Totally agree.
04:34But then he flips.
04:36And he says, like, if Mac wins the game against the Bucs,
04:38you absolutely start him again the next week.
04:41You ride the hot hand.
04:41What if Brock's 100%?
04:44What if Brock's 100%?
04:47You're going to, make no mistake about it, this isn't about ego.
04:51This is about how you're running your business.
04:54This is what you want to tell, supposedly, the future face of your franchise,
05:00the current face of your franchise,
05:02the highest paid player in your entire organization.
05:06And you want to tell the rest of the league that this is how you handle him.
05:10Because remember, don't act like he's had some extended period of awful play.
05:16Don't buy into that.
05:17That's a bunch of junk.
05:19Well, I've heard that here on this very station.
05:20Of course you have.
05:21And then that's why I love having you as a partner.
05:24And you bring up DVOA.
05:26Sure.
05:26And you're very good at it.
05:27The advanced metrics.
05:28Explaining to people that the 49ers sucked last year because they had one of the worst defenses in the NFL.
05:32But go ahead and keep telling me it was the offense.
05:34That's fine.
05:356-11.
05:35Actually, I'm sorry.
05:36Brock was 6-11.
05:38Although he didn't lose all the games.
05:39Yeah, he wasn't.
05:41But I think he was 6-9.
05:43Sure.
05:43Yeah.
05:44Look, I get the black and white thinking, but this is not a black and white scenario.
05:48So, no.
05:49No.
05:50That's so dangerous and reckless to say flatly that if Mac Jones wins Sunday,
05:57and by the way, I don't even know that he's starting Sunday.
06:00I think so.
06:01Yeah.
06:01But we don't know that.
06:02But if Mac Jones wins Sunday, then he definitely gets, don't forget now, Sunday night football.
06:12Against Atlanta.
06:13Yeah.
06:13In your own building.
06:14Yep.
06:15You're going to show the world a healthy Brock with a headset.
06:20Yeah.
06:20Okay.
06:22Do it.
06:23Go ahead.
06:24Welcome controversy into the building.
06:26Yes, they're allowed to.
06:27And Atlanta's had.
06:28It would be reckless.
06:29Atlanta, the team that they will face, is a team that has had a little bit of a controversy,
06:34controversy light, where they pulled Penix, they put in Cousins, and then back to Penix.
06:39But it's not completely beyond the norm.
06:44It's pretty out there, but it's not unprecedented that you would make a move like this.
06:48The thing that makes it so dramatic is the contract.
06:51And he's going to make $53 million a year starting next year.
06:55That's what makes all of this so much more amped up.
06:58Because if you took out the contracts, and you always said this, like, what if we didn't know what these guys made?
07:04What if you didn't have any idea?
07:06I would love that.
07:07Well, then.
07:07Yeah.
07:08Then there would be no doubt you would play Mac Jones.
07:11Like, if Mac went one on Sunday, if Mac went to 4-0 as the quarterback, I don't think that there's any way you would take him out if people didn't know how much Brock made.
07:22Oh, I don't agree with that at all.
07:23If he wins his fourth in a row, if contracts are all put aside, and Mac is 4-0 as a starter?
07:29Yeah, so now, basically, we're making decisions about the people around us, co-workers, business, or whatever we run.
07:38We run families.
07:39Right.
07:40So you're going to make decisions solely on what's happened the last month.
07:45No, not solely, but...
07:47Nothing about what has been built by the people around you.
07:51Nothing about that framework.
07:53Nothing about what they've achieved in the past.
07:56That has nothing to do with your decision at all?
07:58It has a lot to do with it, but when you're rolling, when you've got something that is working, why not go with it?
08:06Why not, I mean...
08:07Because there's consequences.
08:09Well, there's consequences based on the salary, and I don't think that there's consequences based on, like, Brock Purdy's fragile ego.
08:16No.
08:16No, it's not ego.
08:18No.
08:18I don't worry about Brock and his emotions at all.
08:21What I worry about is mixed messages to your locker room.
08:25Don't act like that's not a thing.
08:27That is a thing.
08:28You cannot...
08:29You do not want a quarterback controversy.
08:32I know those of you who live on Twitter want one.
08:35You don't want this.
08:37It breaks teams up.
08:39Okay?
08:39Like, a lot of people are going to be too young to remember this, but do you remember Doug Flutie, Rob Johnson?
08:45Of course.
08:45Like, when you literally have two QBs and a locker room that is split down the middle on which one helps them win more, not good.
08:53It's not good.
08:54There's a reason that that position carries the weight that it carries, because the whole team looks to that person to be their dog.
09:03And if you have two dogs and you don't know which one is your favorite, you have a problem.
09:09You can call it a good problem to have, but don't act like it's not a problem.
09:12It's only a problem if you go out and you lose games.
09:15And it's only a problem if the locker room is not aligned.
09:18And I'm glad you brought up that example, because my old partner, my dear friend Lorenzo Neal, tells me the story about when they took on Buffalo in the playoffs.
09:29And Buffalo started Rob Johnson.
09:31And in the Titan locker room, they were like confetti and champagne in the pregame.
09:36There you go.
09:36Because Flutie Flakes was the real deal, and Rob Johnson was not so much.
09:41And so I think Tennessee went out and they beat Buffalo in that playoff game, and they couldn't have been happier to do that.
09:47But this is a little different.
09:49It's regular season.
09:50If Mac Jones is, again, we're assuming that both are healthy or the same level of healthy.
09:55We don't even know if either one of them is at 80% or 90%.
09:58I'm kind of actually assuming that neither one of them are healthy.
10:02Right.
10:02I mean, I'm sure Brock Purdy is at 70%, whatever.
10:06And Mac Jones is probably at 70%, whatever.
10:09And Adrian is at 100%.
10:11He's ready to go.
10:12But yeah, he's so ready.
10:14I don't even know that actually either.
10:15And I don't even know about the locker room.
10:18And I would love to talk to a former Niner from the 2012 team when this actually happened.
10:23Smith got concussed.
10:25Kaepernick came in.
10:26He went 5-2.
10:27Alex got healthy.
10:28Was there a divide in the locker room?
10:30I can't speak to that, obviously.
10:32I don't know.
10:33It feels like no.
10:36But here's two reasons why that was different.
10:39Number one, and you know these.
10:40Number one, both of those players were draft capital players.
10:44Alex Smith was the number one overall pick.
10:46But then a new regime comes in and Colin Kaepernick is a second-round draft pick.
10:50These are both supposed to be some level of dudes.
10:53Right?
10:54And then here's the other thing.
10:56Colin came in and it wasn't just that he was hot.
10:59I think most people with the eye test thought, and we could have a whole, and I'm sure this city did for months and months and months,
11:07have a whole conversation on who's better.
11:09And in that moment, especially with the skill set that he had, I think most people looked at that and went,
11:16I don't know yet because it's early, but I think Colin is better.
11:20Now, if that's your thought here, you're welcome to have that opinion, and then I would agree with you.
11:28But you've got to tell me that you flatly think Mac Jones is better than Brock Purdy if you want to just roll with Mac until he loses.
11:37Don't do the whole, like, ooh, we won that game by one, and we won that game by two,
11:42so now we're just going to sit our franchise player.
11:46That I'm out on.
11:48If you flatly think you messed up and Mac is a better player who gives you a better chance to win for the rest of the year,
11:57then stand on that opinion, and I welcome having that debate.
12:03I do not.
12:03I personally am blown away by what he's achieved, and it's awesome.
12:07Yeah.
12:08But I do not believe that Mac Jones is a better player than Brock Purdy.
12:10And I don't believe that Kaepernick was better than Alex Smith in that moment for what he did in that season when you were running an offense a certain way.
12:20Yes.
12:21In those games, in those moments, he was better.
12:23I thought he was.
12:24I thought he was.
12:25Well, he was better because of what Harbaugh wanted to do.
12:28And when that matters.
12:29Right.
12:29That matters.
12:30What does Shanahan want to do?
12:31Shanahan wants to do.
12:33He clearly likes them both.
12:34Right.
12:34And he likes what Mac Jones has done, I'm sure, because Mac Jones, while not as mobile,
12:38he's making a lot of big throws in your winning game.
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