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00:00Shanahan hurts his players.
00:03Duh.
00:04Yep.
00:04Hello.
00:05I mean, I tried to tell you years ago.
00:08What the hell else could it be?
00:09Quarterback power, practicing all day.
00:12Yep.
00:13Gotta be delicate with those calves.
00:14Doesn't give anybody a break.
00:16Possibly.
00:17He's too, um, like nose to the grindstone.
00:21He's too hard on the players.
00:23You're welcome.
00:24Am I supposed to correct you?
00:26I mean.
00:27No, you don't have to.
00:28Definitely is maybe at least a piece of it.
00:31Well, I was talking to a mutual friend yesterday at the farmer's market and a mutual friend
00:36of who of ours.
00:37Oh, he's been a guest on the show.
00:39He's somebody that, uh, he has a sub stack and we've had him on the show.
00:44Oh, he's got three names and he is very, very intelligent.
00:48So we're strolling between the flower guy and the produce guy heading toward the burrito
00:54tent on our way past the chicken man and the cattle corn guy.
01:00And he said, what's up with these injuries?
01:03What do you think?
01:03Yeah.
01:04He said, and I said, well, you tell me smarty pants.
01:07Is it that substation?
01:10Boom, boom, boom.
01:11And he said, well, I haven't done the research to debunk it, but it doesn't seem likely.
01:16And he said, what is it?
01:17I said, it's probably one of six things and all things are equally true.
01:21One of six.
01:22Okay.
01:22A, they do have, they bring in a lot of guys who have been hurt before and then they get
01:29hurt again.
01:30They get re-hurt.
01:31B, he goes hard on Thursdays.
01:34Everyone said that they practice harder on Thursdays than any of the team.
01:38C, the training and medical team maybe aren't the best in the business.
01:45And again, that's just a theory.
01:46C, D, that damn substation and all of the voodoo that's going on with that, right?
01:55And, you know, part of it I do think is just, it's Buzzard's luck, as Boach would say.
01:59Is that E, Buzzard's luck?
02:01That would be E.
02:01Okay, what's that?
02:02There's an F somewhere in there.
02:03I don't, maybe it was only five different things, but we talked about it, Ethan and
02:08I, and I probably shouldn't have said his name.
02:10No, I got it.
02:11Sherwood Strauss.
02:12I knew who you were talking about.
02:13Hi, Ethan.
02:14Fred of the program.
02:15Great guy.
02:15Yeah.
02:15But he was honestly like looking at it from his super intellectual standpoint.
02:20And I'm, I'm just like, I don't, I don't really know.
02:22It's probably all of the things collectively all at once.
02:26Oh, it's definitely the Kyle goes too hard in practice.
02:29That is part of it.
02:30Well, Dre Greenlaw disagrees.
02:32They're just two different personality coaches, you know, Sean's old school.
02:36You know, you're going to do six days on one day off.
02:38And I mean, he got his way of doing things.
02:40You're going to be practicing three hours on Wednesday, three hours on Friday.
02:44And I mean, Shannon, he's, he's completely opposite.
02:47You know, he's, he's more of a, he wants you fresh.
02:50You know what I mean?
02:51It's just two completely different mindsets.
02:53And they both have their way of doing things.
02:54And it's for good reasons too.
02:56Okay.
02:57There's Dre Greenlaw.
02:58He's now a Bronco.
02:59And he says, Sean Payton goes hard six days a week.
03:04It's the complete opposite of what Kyle Shanahan does.
03:10He does the, let's try to keep you fresh angle.
03:14Greenlaw as a Niner hurt.
03:16Greenlaw as a Bronco hurt.
03:19Well, I mean, mostly healthy, but he was hurt a little bit.
03:22He was still hurt.
03:23He probably played what?
03:2410 games.
03:25Nine or 10.
03:27Greenlaw.
03:28Let me, I don't know.
03:29I feel like he missed a lot of games.
03:31How many of those games missed were because of the injury he suffered while he was still
03:36a Niner?
03:36That's what I'm talking about, Randy.
03:38I mean, that's, that's a good question.
03:41At the same time, the injury we're talking about is two years ago.
03:46So the season started a year and a half, but yeah.
03:48Well, the injury happened at the Superbowl.
03:51Yeah.
03:52It's the Superbowl.
03:53The injury happened two years ago.
03:55The games he missed though happened not today.
03:59Understood.
03:59It's good, but I mean, we're talking, okay, fair enough.
04:02But like an Achilles injury does not take 20 months to heal.
04:09Dre came back, re-injured himself in a number of ways as a Niner, and then re-injured himself
04:15a bunch as a Bronco.
04:16He played eight games.
04:17They missed more than half the season this year.
04:19Well, let me try this again then.
04:20Shanahan goes too easy on his guys.
04:24Either way you want to like slice it, it's Shanahan.
04:26He's a part of it.
04:27I mean, yeah, he's the coach of the team.
04:29Right.
04:30And they've been the most injured team or one of the most injured teams like the majority
04:34of the time he's been there.
04:35Majority of the time.
04:36Right.
04:36But not always.
04:38Yeah.
04:38Not always.
04:39Look, I've said this a thousand times.
04:42I cannot come with the hammer, but I'm also not going to be the nail.
04:46I have no idea.
04:47I have no idea what it is.
04:49I have not heard one consistent, credible idea from NFL circles slash doctors also knowing
05:01that this is a multi-billion dollar organization that puts millions upon millions of dollars
05:09into getting this right.
05:10And they haven't yet.
05:13Now, what was it?
05:14Grandy, maybe you remember this.
05:15Wasn't there a poll done recently?
05:17And it's that anonymous players union thing.
05:20And all the teams get grades and they get grades.
05:24And Grandy, you're Mr. Grades over here.
05:25So, like, the team gets grades for all the different aspects of the team.
05:30It can be, you know, the way they treat families and the way the ownership and blah, blah, blah.
05:37And the Niners graded out really, really well across the NFL.
05:42The one thing that was a little bit less than stellar, I want to say the grade came in as like
05:49a B minus, was the training staff.
05:54It's training staff.
05:56I'm looking at it right now.
05:57So, they have treatment of families, food or dining area, nutrition, nutritionist slash
06:03dietician, locker room, training room, training staff, weight room, and strength coaches.
06:09Okay.
06:09The Niners worst grade was a couple of B minuses and it was both the training room and the
06:15training staff.
06:15Okay.
06:17Like, I don't know, I don't know what you put into that, but like, I don't, I just,
06:25I just haven't heard anything yet that everybody seems to agree on.
06:30You know, I've heard tons of scientists on social media say that this plant next door,
06:34there's a big bunch of hooey.
06:36So, I can't debunk it.
06:39I'm not a scientist.
06:40They have.
06:40Yeah, exactly.
06:41Do you know what I mean?
06:42Kyle goes too hard.
06:43I don't know.
06:43Dre Green lost this.
06:44Sean Payton goes way, way harder.
06:47Is it the age of the players?
06:49I don't know.
06:50That's part of it.
06:50They had a bunch of young players.
06:51Mikel Williams tore his ACL.
06:53And the injury history, I do think, is part of it.
06:55Well, and they've, they've had a long, long history of drafting guys who have torn ACLs.
07:00Like, but I also like, I always think to myself, whenever you say, boy, they've drafted people
07:06who have had injuries before, I sort of go like, I think, I think most people have had
07:10injuries of some sort before.
07:12I'm talking about the catastrophic ones.
07:14I know, but you mentioned just a few minutes ago, what's Frank Gore in his NFL career known
07:20for?
07:21What's he known for?
07:22Durability.
07:22Durability.
07:23What happened to him in college?
07:24His leg got ripped off.
07:26He tore his ACL.
07:27More than that.
07:27Yeah.
07:28It was like multiple ligaments.
07:29So like, that man is.
07:31I know.
07:32Maybe that's a one-off.
07:33Maybe it's a one-off.
07:34I don't know.
07:35You don't often see a 37-year-old running back, period, let alone a guy who leads his
07:39team in rushing.
07:4037 years old?
07:41He led the Jets in rushing.
07:44That's right.
07:44They were 2-14, and he toted it 170-something times for 650 yards for a team that stunk.
07:52And, yeah, 37, give me the ball.
07:55I'm into this.
07:55This is fun.
07:57We lose, but I'm going to get three yards no matter what.
07:59By the way, this report card, it's from the NFL Players Association that comes out every
08:04offseason.
08:04The Niners' B- for training staff ranks 25th in the NFL, and B- for training room ranks
08:1121st in the NFL.
08:13Yeah.
08:13I mean, if I'm Jed York, that would bother me.
08:17I don't like that.
08:18I don't like those grades.
08:19I love all the other stuff, but that's kind of what makes it even worse.
08:23It's like if you're going to be an A-level organization in all of these things, if you're
08:27going to treat the families great, if you're going to have the food, if you're going to
08:30have the coaching staff, if you're going to roll out the red carpet and be as classy
08:35of an organization as the 49ers tend to be, and certainly attempt to be, then that would
08:41bother me if that's how players felt about something that important.
08:46Exactly.
08:47In football, it's maybe the most important thing.
08:49I mean, you can make the argument.
08:51For sure.
08:52So you get hurt, and you go in the training room, and you open the door, and there's
08:56somebody in there on their phone, and it's like, ah, man, I rolled my ankle real bad.
08:59Ice is over there.
09:00If we have any.
09:02I mean, we were out earlier.
09:04Hold on, I'm playing Candy Crush.
09:06I've got to finish this level.
09:07I mean, even from a facility standpoint, where do the Niners rank in terms of the Forbes NFL
09:13valuations?
09:14Probably behind the Cowboys?
09:16Maybe behind the New York Giants?
09:19I was thinking Patriots, maybe, but they're probably top five, right?
09:22You know what I mean?
09:22I'll pull that up.
09:23That's pretty, but yeah, they're definitely top five.
09:26Well, what are you doing with B minus training room?
09:28Right.
09:29Staff, I get it.
09:30Okay, you make a hire.
09:31Maybe this person, whatever.
09:32That guy didn't like this guy over here.
09:34What are you doing with not having, in Silicon Valley, not having the absolute most amazeballs
09:43training room in the game?
09:44Especially when year after year, you are top three or top five in injured players, in top
09:50five in games lost due to injury.
09:52So if that is your track record, and it's unfortunate if that is what is going to happen, and it seems
09:58like that's happened to this team in the Shanahan era.
10:01Well, if that's the reality, then let's go ahead and have an A++ training facility, knowing
10:07full well that half the team's going to be in there because they always get hurt.
10:11Cowboys, number one, Rams, number two, Giants, number three, Patriots, number four, 49ers,
10:20number five.
10:21That's your Forbes valuations.
10:23Right.
10:23Which I've learned, by the way, however many billion they say they're worth, they're worth
10:27more.
10:27And pump it up.
10:28Yep.
10:28They're worth more.
10:29Another 50% on top of that.
10:30For sure.
10:31But it doesn't even matter what the number is.
10:33If they are a top five valued franchise, and you're also top five in games lost due to
10:39injury, then you should be a top one team in terms of treatment, and trainers, and doctors,
10:46and weight room, and all the rest of it.
10:47Yeah.
10:47And I mean, look, these are people's opinions, and it's a collective, and so there might be
10:51plenty of people who are like, no, it is A-level.
10:53But I don't know.
10:54I mean, that's a lot of votes.
10:57Yep.
10:57And those are the two lowest grades that the entire organization from top to bottom got.
11:03So that would, if I were Jed York, I would just say that's, I would look at that.
11:07I would spend more time on that than some study on the plant next door, I can tell you that.
11:12Right, right.
11:13And I also would spend some time on creating or erecting something to block the sun from
11:21the sunny side of the field, like go ahead and throw up a hundred foot screen, that way,
11:26you know, maybe it's retractable, so where it's a night game, you don't have to put it
11:29up, but yeah, fans don't want to be over there in like September and October.
11:33You bake.
11:35I mean, and some people enjoy that.
11:38Baking?
11:39Usually in the morning, but anyway, you're listening to 95.7 The Game, KGMZ FM and HD1 San
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11:52Yeah, people will tell you what they like with their behavior.
11:56So I get it.
11:57I understand that that costs a lot of money.
11:59I understand it's probably pretty hard to do, and you can have all these conversations
12:03that we've had for years about, oh, it's not that bad, or, I mean, you can this, that,
12:08or the other, but day games in the sun, people just, they're not going to sit there.
12:12Yep.
12:12So, yeah, I would, I don't know if there's anything you could do about it, but if there is,
12:17I'd do it.
12:18Right.
12:18I mean, yeah.
12:20I mean, the other part of it is, they've been so good for a while that you do get a
12:24lot of home night games, so that kind of offsets it, and, you know, when you get past the
12:29end of October and daylight savings, it's not that much of an issue, it's just earlier
12:34in the year.
12:35Vinny in Modesto.
12:37Hello, Vinny.
12:38What's up?
12:41Vinny.
12:42Vinny.
12:46Nothing?
12:47Okay.
12:47Vinny?
12:48Bye, Vinny.
12:48Let's go to Tim in San Rafael.
12:50Hello, Tim.
12:52Hey, guys.
12:52How you doing?
12:53We're good, bud.
12:54What's up?
12:55Yeah, hey.
12:56Thanks for taking the call.
12:57Hey, Al.
12:58First, I just want to say I've been good listening to you guys.
12:59I started listening after the purge at the other station, and I don't regret it moving
13:04over.
13:04Boy, you've said, a couple people have said something about this other station recently.
13:10I don't know.
13:11I didn't know there was one.
13:14You know what?
13:15It's completely, I don't even remember what the name of it is anymore, to be honest.
13:18Yeah, I'll look into it.
13:19Anyway, thanks, Tim.
13:20What's up?
13:22All right.
13:23So, I got a little theory on the injuries.
13:26I'm not a scientist.
13:27It's just my suspicions, but over the course of about 15 years, starting about 2010, I started
13:34running ultra marathons and trail races and, like, 50 kilometer races up to 150 mile races,
13:43and I was hardly ever injured after about 2015, because I started learning about heart
13:48rate training and that there's a difference between working out really hard and when you're
13:53anaerobic and you're doing damages to your ligaments and your muscles and the tendons
13:58versus when you're working out really easy aerobically and you're building, you're burning
14:04fat, you're building muscle, you're building strength.
14:07And I just suspect that these guys, you know, they're all big guys.
14:13They want to be stronger.
14:13They want to be faster.
14:14I think that they probably are working out too hard, too often, and they're not building
14:20the aerobic pace that's needed to really support these hard workouts that they do.
14:26Tim, yeah, go ahead, Tim.
14:28Tim likes that LSD.
14:30Long, slow distance, Tim, am I right?
14:32There you go.
14:32That's strong.
14:33Yeah.
14:34That's exactly right.
14:35Run a lot, mostly easy, sometimes hard.
14:40Easy, yeah.
14:41Tim, you're probably on to something, but here's the challenge there.
14:44Thanks, Tim.
14:46Hell, just like Herm Edwards said when he came on our show, you've got to protect Ricky
14:50from himself now.
14:52Yep.
14:52Because how are you going to tell the best athletes in the world who, and football players
14:59especially, because they do have a few screws loose, how are you going to tell them to slow
15:03down?
15:03Like, how?
15:06I don't know how you have that mentality and then also slow down.
15:11And then the second part of it is, because again, I don't think Tim's wrong.
15:14I think there's a thousand ways to sort of handle your workout routine.
15:17We've probably all heard all of the people who sort of think they've got it figured out.
15:23I tend to subscribe to the idea that there is no such thing as anybody who's got it all
15:28figured out.
15:29You can figure it out for you.
15:31You might, as a trainer, be able to figure it out for someone else.
15:35But I don't think there's a catch-all that works for everybody because not everybody is
15:40the same.
15:40And then with football, you add into it whatever you're doing training-wise, whatever is optimal,
15:48and you can be in the best shape, and everything is working perfect.
15:51I'm not straining any muscles or whatever.
15:54And then somebody flies across the middle and bangs you on the knee with a helmet.
15:59There's no training.
16:01Like, if you really want to get concerned, it's funny.
16:03The poster for frustrating injuries this year, I'd argue, is Ricky Pearsall.
16:08George Kittle.
16:09Well, no, but see, that's what I want to talk about.
16:11The first one.
16:12George Kittle, both of them.
16:15The first one and the last one.
16:17Those are the ones that we can have a discussion about.
16:20Ricky Pearsall banging a knee and Fred Warner's ankle going the other way have, in my opinion,
16:25nothing to do with your training at all.
16:27You're playing football, and you got the hard bang in the wrong spot.
16:31Easy there.
16:32I'm sorry.
16:33That's what happened.
16:34Fred, yes.
16:35Ricky, I'm not sure.
16:37I mean, Kyle says, you know, you can't decide how you're going to fall and stuff.
16:41Right.
16:41And you fall on your knee, and it's going to be the way that happens and stuff.
16:44He loved what Ricky did in the offseason.
16:46George is the one who twice this year had significant injury without being touched.
16:52Right.
16:53Without being touched.
16:55It was the first one, to me, is the one that raised his eyebrows, because that was just
16:58a straight-up hammy.
17:00Full tear.
17:01Right.
17:02Just running.
17:02Just running.
17:03And, by the way, not really involved in the play, running.
17:06Right, right.
17:06So he's running, hammy.
17:08You're out for five or six games, and then the other one's just the Achilles.
17:11And that, to me, is more a case of, you know, you're 32.
17:16And when you get to be 32, and you plant your leg like that, as we know, the negative step
17:21that we've seen so many times now, and, you know, you put your foot back like that, it
17:24can go, especially when you get older, like he is.
17:27You want to do a week five bet?
17:29Week five bet.
17:30I got a week five bet.
17:32For?
17:33George Kittle.
17:34Oh, for this upcoming year?
17:36Yeah.
17:36Like, will he play week five?
17:37Yes.
17:38Will he play by week five?
17:40Hmm.
17:42A week five bet.
17:43That's going to be a yes from me, dog.
17:45Week five would be October 1st-ish.
17:48Let's just call it that.
17:49We don't have the actual date yet.
17:51We don't have the schedule.
17:51But it's roughly October 1.
17:52But we can figure it out, because it's the, right, the Sunday after Labor Day is going
17:58to be the opener, right?
17:59Usually, yeah.
18:01So Labor Day is Monday the 7th, so the first NFL Sunday is?
18:06The 13th.
18:07September 13th, 20th, 27th is week three.
18:11October 4th is week four.
18:13October 11th.
18:14Yeah.
18:14October 11th.
18:16I say he's in.
18:16And he got hurt in January?
18:21That was against Philly, right?
18:24Early January.
18:24Two weeks ago.
18:25Yep.
18:26Nine months.
18:27I'll take the over, just for the fun of it.
18:31Okay.
18:31What are we doing?
18:32We'll bet dinner, the dinner that's owed to me, and owed to you, so whoever wins, like,
18:38either you take your wife out on Steiny and Goo, or, I mean, I take my wife out.
18:45Take somebody out.
18:47Come on.
18:49I was going to say the loser is in charge of getting Steiny and Goo to pay off.
18:53You've got to be careful.
18:54It's too late, Randy, unless you dumped it.
18:57Yeah.
18:58Wait, who dumped who?
18:59Anyway.
19:00That's a four.
19:00Okay.
19:02Yeah.
19:02Week five.
19:03Sure.
19:03Okay.
19:03Like, the winner has to force, uh...
19:07Steiny and Goo to take us to dinner.
19:09Right.
19:10It's uncomfortable now.
19:11I don't want to win.
19:13Uh...
19:13Although, if I win, then you have to force him?
19:15Yeah.
19:16Yeah.
19:16Great.
19:17Good luck with that.
19:18I'll do it anyway.
19:19Yeah.
19:20They're taking us out.
19:21Can they just pay?
19:22No, I'm just going to set...
19:23I'm going to set a date.
19:25And I'm going to set a date.
19:26And then I'm going to, like...
19:27It's just, like, interest.
19:29Right.
19:29If you haven't paid by this, it's going to turn into a dinner and a half.
19:32We spent an hour with them out there off the air, just chatting away.
19:35And it never came up.
19:37Right.
19:37It should have, if I wasn't hogging the mic and crying the whole time.
19:40Aren't you all uncomfortable when you owe somebody like that?
19:44You know what I mean?
19:45Like, you owe somebody money, or you owe somebody something, and you just, like, let it sit there
19:50and fester?
19:51Totally.
19:52You know what I mean?
19:54I'm more uncomfortable when they owe me.
19:56See, I'd rather be owed than owe.
20:00You know what I mean?
20:02Yeah, I'm with you.
20:03I shouldn't say this on the air, but one of my eight jobs takes a minute.
20:08They take a minute.
20:10To pay you.
20:10They take a minute.
20:11Pay me what you owe me.
20:13But sometimes in my mind...
20:15Don't act like you forgot.
20:16You get on that banking app, and you're like, and more is coming.
20:20Yep.
20:21And not here yet.
20:22Not yet.
20:22Yep.
20:23But it's on the way, and I like that feeling.
20:26Much more than the opposite.
20:29It's close for me, because I'm working with their banking app, you know?
20:32If somebody owes me, and it's like, I don't want to sweat you, like...
20:36No, like, I know that it's...
20:38I know they're good for it.
20:39If you know that, then it's fine.
20:41But if you're questioning...
20:42Sometimes they do have some mix-ups, and you send a text, and then somebody checks with
20:51somebody who checks with somebody and checks with somebody, and then three days later,
20:54they'll be like, yeah, that'll go screwed up, but it's coming.
20:56It's always coming.
20:57But I don't like to have to give that nudge.
20:59I don't like it either.
21:00Every year, we do, like, a family getaway to Eureka, and last year, I paid for the house
21:06up front, and so we were going to go thirdsies, and my brother Mike paid his portion, and then
21:12one of my other siblings owed me their portion of the third, and it was like two months,
21:18and then three months goes by, and four months, it's like, now I got to ask you?
21:21I don't want to ask you.
21:22Yeah, I don't want to ask.
21:23I did.
21:25It's awkward, though.
21:25Yeah, sometimes you got to do it.
21:27And then they paid.
21:27Right.
21:28By they, I mean she, and by she, I mean Gail.
21:31There.
21:31I'm an open book today.
21:33I'm sorry.
21:34Beware, anybody who knows me for the next hour and 50.
21:37Tell everybody who Gail is.
21:39The Hurricane.
21:39Yeah, that's your sister.
21:41That's my sister.
21:41The Caner.
21:42Yeah.
21:42And if you listen to the R&S Garage Doors, you know, time now for the closer of the week,
21:47and you hear that, uh, that's my sister.
21:51For those of you new to the program, that grunt is Gail.
21:54Yeah.
21:55Perfect.
21:56Sure.
21:57Anyway.
21:58I don't like to owe or be.
21:59What is going on here?
22:00Yeah, exactly.
22:01I just explained it, Bob.
22:02It was very clear.
22:03You owe the three of us pizza.
22:05But I owe you babysitting.
22:07I don't like to owe you guys.
22:08I don't like to owe you.
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