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00:00On Tuesday, jury duty, hanging out inside that jury room, waiting, waiting, waiting.
00:08I came out and I heard the conversation and the idea that at least Grandy thought that Kyle Shanahan was a cheat code
00:16and you would draft him very high if you could have any NFL person on your sideline.
00:21Number four, he slotted him in at number four.
00:23And I mean, to a degree, like, I get where he's coming from.
00:26I don't know if I would take him over Miles Garrett, but, like, I get where you're coming from,
00:30especially this year when you see that things can go so horribly wrong in terms of health
00:37and you can have a quarterback miss eight games.
00:41Again, and I've said this a hundred times this year, I think you agree with me.
00:44There's no other team in the NFL that can lose their quarterback for eight games
00:48and hang in there and go five and three.
00:51There's nobody else doing that.
00:52No, I mean, there are teams that were able to do well, but I don't think that there's a team
00:57that had a backup quarterback start eight games that did anything at all.
01:02I mean, you look at Cleveland and they had a bunch of backup quarterbacks
01:05and they didn't win eight games ever.
01:07No, but I mean, like, usually we pop around the league and think of the top quarterbacks,
01:13top 10 or 12 quarterbacks, and they're such a big deal that you don't even know who their backups are.
01:19We could test each other.
01:21I'd fail.
01:22You know what I mean?
01:23I didn't know that Gardner Minshew was the Kansas City backup until he had to be their starter.
01:29Is Trubisky still in Buffalo?
01:31Is that still Josh Allen's backup?
01:34Yeah, exactly.
01:35That sounds about right.
01:35Yeah, maybe.
01:36Who's Jared Goff's backup?
01:39Yeah.
01:40I mean, don't know.
01:42But the Niners needed a backup, and if you wanted to rank all the quarterbacks,
01:47one through 96 this year, Mac Jones is not 33rd.
01:51He's probably about 24th.
01:54He played better than, I would say, six to eight starters.
01:57I agree with that because there were certain teams that just kind of didn't really offer one.
02:02Like, Cleveland didn't really offer one.
02:04The Jets tried and hoped that Justin Fields would be a starter.
02:08I think he's now proven that he's not.
02:10I would take Mac Jones over Jackson Dart this year, in the year that Jackson Dart had.
02:15Oh, I wouldn't do that.
02:16I get what you mean.
02:17I mean, Jackson Dart, he got hurt, and he was effective at times.
02:21But, like, if you said, like, for the next five years, you would—
02:24No, I'm just saying this year.
02:25You're saying this year.
02:26I'm saying if you wanted to grade out the quarterbacks this year, Mac Jones is not 33rd.
02:32He's better than six to eight starters this year.
02:34I mean, that's fine, and Mac gets plenty of the credit for going five and three,
02:39but as does Kyle.
02:41So, here's my question.
02:42I don't want to, like, say this as if you never said it, Grandy or Dibs,
02:47because I didn't hear every word for four hours.
02:50But did you just, with your chest, stick it out and say,
02:53Kyle Shanahan's the best coach in the sport?
02:56Because that's—
02:56That's what he was saying.
02:58That's what, like—
02:59Yeah, that's what that means.
03:00But I took it a step further and said he's better than all but three players.
03:03More valuable than all but three players.
03:04Yeah, I just wanted to make sure because that is a statement with which I agree,
03:11and I can pull the show probably week six, seven, eight,
03:16somewhere in there earlier this year where I stated,
03:20and I was just talking about coaching.
03:22Right.
03:22I said I would trade Kyle for no one.
03:25No one.
03:25And so, I wonder, because depending on what week and what month
03:32and when you say that this year, you have to duck
03:34because he's never won a Super Bowl.
03:38It was seven days ago when Brian Baldinger went on WIP in Philly
03:44and went, oh, Sirianni and Hurts.
03:47And it's not close.
03:47It's not even close.
03:50Which I—boy, when he came on this week, did the guys ask him to redo that?
03:55Did they ask him?
03:56And we actually played it.
03:57It was a Tuesday appearance.
03:58What did he say?
03:59He didn't walk it all the way back.
04:01Okay.
04:02But, you know, he kind of was just saying what he had said initially,
04:05which was, you know, when you go and you win a Super Bowl,
04:08that's kind of the way I look at it.
04:09And so, he was defaulting,
04:11and I'm sure Randy's going to pull up the actual cut.
04:13I'll paraphrase.
04:14It was basically, when you win a Super Bowl, I give you the nod.
04:18Okay.
04:18I mean, that's fine.
04:19Right.
04:20Yeah.
04:20Okay, here it is.
04:21Baldy earlier this week.
04:22When I was asked the question, immediately I thought Super Bowls.
04:26Sirianni and Hurts are just coming off a Super Bowl win and a Super Bowl MVP.
04:31Now, you can debate whether all the stuff about it.
04:34Is the team better?
04:35They won a Super Bowl, and the quarterback was a Super Bowl MVP.
04:38And one thing I've learned about when you win a Super Bowl, whether it's Bill Walsh winning a Super Bowl
04:44or Mike Holmgren winning a Super Bowl with Brett Favre, whatever it is, they can never take it away from you.
04:49And that's all I thought about when I was asked the question, and I was definitive.
04:54And that's the beauty of the human brain is it goes, depending on who you are,
04:58it goes in different directions based on what you're asked or what you're thinking about.
05:02I think it's a very fair answer.
05:04It's not where my brain goes.
05:06I don't think it's where a lot of people's brains went in terms of who would you take?
05:10Because the question wasn't whose resume do you like better?
05:14The question was, who do you want coaching this game?
05:17I don't find it to be close either.
05:19It's not even close, and it's not even close at either position.
05:23I don't care that Jalen Hurts has played well in two Super Bowls.
05:26Brock Purdy played well in one.
05:27I mean, Jalen Hurts, there's a national story right now that I was just reading about how under the covers, it's not just A.J. Brown.
05:36There is an organizational-wide concern level and frustration with Jalen Hurts right now.
05:43And I get it, and I think a lot of that, for me on the outside, stems from the offensive coordinator.
05:48Because last year, there wasn't that much consternation about it because you ran an offense that was humming.
05:55They gained 1,000 more yards last year than they did this year with mostly the same personnel.
06:00I know they had some O-line injuries, and Saquon was probably a little tired after last year.
06:05But 1,000 yards is a big chunk of yardage that you didn't get.
06:08But when you hear that, and someone says why, why was the offense so much better the prior year?
06:18Do you think, well, because the play calling was better.
06:21Part of it?
06:22Do you?
06:22Oh, absolutely.
06:23I mean, you had Kellen Moore, who was a great play caller.
06:25He got a head coaching job, and the guy they replaced him with was fired.
06:29And he was, you could even see it in the Niner game, it was pretty bland and milquetoast.
06:34It was bland, but I also think execution's got a lot to do with that.
06:37The quarterback and the receiver, A.J. Brown, had three drops in the wild card game,
06:42and Saquon Barkley was bound to have a regression after the year he had,
06:46and the O-line had injuries.
06:47So there's a number of reasons.
06:49And Jalen Hurts is another one.
06:51Like, if things aren't perfect for Jalen Hurts, then his flaws are shown.
06:55Well, I mean, put it this way.
06:58I'm not going to take anything away from Jalen Hurts and what he has achieved.
07:03Like, Baldi's right.
07:05Once you do that, you did that.
07:07And it's hard to do.
07:09But the criticism that I hear about Brock is probably more applicable to Jalen
07:15in terms of the idea of you need X, Y, and Z to go on around you.
07:21You know, I think all of that stuff gets a little fuzzy.
07:24I don't think we should be as definitive with it as we are.
07:27But Jalen Hurts, like, that team's offensive line was the best in football,
07:32and they ran the ball like absolute crazy.
07:37And then you got two $25 million to $30 million receivers at a great tight end.
07:42And then he gets the credit for, like, the decision-making and the delivering of the ball
07:46and, you know, the tush-push.
07:47Is Jalen just being – is he on a ride or is he a big part of that?
07:53Is it Jason Kelsey?
07:55Is it Jalen Hurts?
07:56Yep.
07:56So, okay, put all that into now.
08:02And I wonder how many Niner fans are comfortable or even agree with that statement.
08:10I do.
08:11I do.
08:13I'd trade him for no one.
08:14That Kyle Shannon's the best coach in football.
08:16That is the best coach in the National Football League.
08:20And if your brain goes to resume, I get it.
08:24You can, Andy, read me all day long.
08:27Right.
08:27I have no problem with that.
08:29I want to have an openness to where the conversation goes.
08:34I get it.
08:35If your brain goes to resume, mine doesn't.
08:37To me, resume is always the tiebreaker.
08:40Okay.
08:40And if you want to take the bucket of who you think the best coaches are in football
08:44and if it's Andy Reid and Sean McVay and it's Kyle Shanahan
08:48and, you know, whoever else you want to throw in that bucket.
08:51Well, who do you want to throw in that bucket?
08:53Well, I mean, if you want to really, like, heap a lot of people in the bucket,
08:56you can put in other folks, but I don't think that they belong.
09:00Like, Sean McDermott, I think he's a really good coach.
09:02I wouldn't put him in the bucket.
09:04No, I agree.
09:04Mike McDonald is a really good coach, but I don't think he's done enough yet.
09:07How about Sean Payton?
09:08Sean Payton's a guy that you think about in that bucket
09:11because now he's about to, you know, do things in a second stop.
09:14And he's got that team in a spot where, I mean, they're the number one seed.
09:19And honestly, Mike Vrabel doesn't get as much love as he should.
09:23And if you look at what he did in Tennessee,
09:26they won a bunch of road games.
09:28And I shared with you guys earlier,
09:29I did a medium dive on the eight coaches in the playoffs
09:33and how many road wins they have.
09:35And Shanahan's right up there with all of them.
09:37And Sean Payton, by the way,
09:37has yet to win a game on the road in the playoffs as a coach.
09:42Yeah.
09:42Grandy actually responded with that.
09:43Really? He's got none.
09:45Because in New Orleans, when they won the Super Bowl,
09:48they had home field.
09:49They did.
09:49And other than that, they would have a game at home.
09:52They'd go on the road and lose.
09:54Look, some of the names that would have come up
09:57if we had had this conversation a week ago
10:00aren't coaches at the moment.
10:01You know, like John Harbaugh's name would have come up.
10:04Mike Tomlin's name would have come up.
10:05What about Jim Harbaugh?
10:07Jim Harbaugh is a very good coach.
10:09Kind of a little Kyle Shanahan-esque in that, right?
10:11Been to a bowl, didn't win it.
10:13So there's that.
10:15But to me, and then there's some other guys
10:17who are really excited about,
10:19but I still think it's just so new.
10:20Even D'Amico Ryans.
10:21He's doing a wonderful job in Houston.
10:23Liam Cohn and Ben Johnson are off to wonderful starts
10:26with the jobs that they're doing.
10:28I put them in the McDonald bucket.
10:29Yeah, and I like O'Connell.
10:30I like O'Connell in Minnesota.
10:32I think he's a really good coach.
10:33So there's a bunch of guys that I really like,
10:36but I think you nailed it.
10:37Being that Harbaugh and Tomlin, at least for the moment,
10:40are not coaches, like Harbaugh probably will be
10:43by the time we get back here on Monday.
10:45Yeah.
10:45But they're not coaches right now.
10:48I think that's your list.
10:50Your candidates are Andy Reid, Sean McVay,
10:55Kyle Shanahan, and Sean Payton.
10:58To me, that's your final four.
11:01And it's interesting because three of them have a Lombardi.
11:04So if you were a resume person strictly,
11:07then Kyle would be fourth based on just resume.
11:11Sean has the one, and Andy's got the trio,
11:14and McVay's got the one.
11:16So I use it as a tiebreaker if I think that, you know,
11:20everything else is even and level.
11:22Honestly, right now I would still go with Andy Reid
11:24as number one just because he's been doing it a long time.
11:28He's almost always successful.
11:30This year he lost his QB,
11:31and now it'll be interesting to see what they do next year
11:34if Mahomes isn't ready for week one.
11:36Right.
11:36And he says, I think I'm going to be ready.
11:38But whatever.
11:40We'll see.
11:41But, you know, Andy, you're going to have to do a little bit more now.
11:44I mean, Andy Reid, and this has been brought up so many times,
11:47and I just think it's so applicable to this conversation.
11:50Andy Reid's resume and his reputation when he was in Philly,
11:55it is Kyle Shanahan's.
11:58Essentially.
11:59It is Kyle.
11:59So Andy Reid was Kyle Shanahan.
12:02And, in fact, I think he might have even been a little bit older
12:05when he was Kyle Shanahan.
12:08Because Philly is the way it is, he got run out of town.
12:13And I get it.
12:15And Philly has won a couple Super Bowls since,
12:17and so maybe they don't regret it.
12:18And Andy Reid has won a bunch of Super Bowls since.
12:20And all of these things are contextual, and they are complementary, and all of that.
12:26McVeigh wins a Super Bowl.
12:28Sure.
12:30Matt Stafford.
12:32Andy Reid wins multiple Super Bowls.
12:34Okay.
12:34Patrick Mahomes.
12:36Sean Payton wins a Super Bowl.
12:38Drew Brees.
12:38Yeah.
12:39And it's like, well, Kyle hasn't won a Super Bowl,
12:42and this is where then you need to have kind of that defining conversation
12:47about Garoppolo and Brock Purdy.
12:49And I hate putting them in the two sentences,
12:51because actually I think Brock Purdy is way better than Jimmy Garoppolo.
12:56But you're talking about people who still have their own debate
13:01over exactly how good they are at quarterback.
13:06Meantime, these other coaches that he's on the level with, at least,
13:11they have rings and have done so with absolute, no doubt about it,
13:17future Hall of Fame quarterbacks at their disposal.
13:23To me, you can say that's a criticism of Kyle.
13:27He's part of player evaluation.
13:30I go, well, how did he even get in that group?
13:34He's the only one that's doing it's just like what he's doing this year.
13:39He is the one who is moving through the playoffs without all of his best pitches
13:43and all of his best players.
13:46He is the one who is doing this without a quarterback who was drafted in the top 10
13:51and all of those things.
13:53I know Drew Brees was the second-round draft pick, but you get what I'm talking about.
13:57This is a Hall of Fame quarterback.
13:59So anyway, that's like, to me, those are the four answers.
14:04And right now, based on age, based on style, based on just where we are at in this league,
14:11I would take Kyle.
14:13My brain doesn't go to resume.
14:15Yours can.
14:16It's not only resume, but Andy Reid is 67, which means he's got another seven to...
14:24Go ahead.
14:25Do you have to do that?
14:26I mean, that's so last year.
14:28I don't have to do anything.
14:29I know you don't.
14:30I just do stuff that I think is fun.
14:31So he's north of 66.
14:33He's not quite 68.
14:35That'll be better.
14:36That'll avoid you making that hand gesture.
14:38But interesting comp about Andy and Kyle and Andy in Philly, because he went 14 years.
14:44He made one Super Bowl in 14 years, but he made the playoffs nine times.
14:49And you mentioned the age.
14:50Andy departed when he was 54 after 14 years.
14:55Kyle's nine in, and he's 47.
14:57So if Kyle goes seven more, he gets to 56.
15:00That would be, you know, 16 years, essentially.
15:03And if he doesn't win the Super Bowl by then and he's gone, well, whatever team gets him next,
15:07they're going to love it, because he's going to win one somewhere.
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15:20I do want to, like, hopefully we're being clear here.
15:23Boxer and Gerson, work injury attorney's text line 707.
15:26Come on, Willard, you're telling me you wouldn't trade Shanahan for Josh Allen?
15:29You're smoking.
15:30No, that's very much not what we said.
15:33In fact, when Grandy made the list, Josh Allen was number one.
15:36He has Kyle Shanahan at number four.
15:38We're saying he's the top coach.
15:41My list, the conversation, when I said earlier this year I wouldn't trade him for anyone,
15:46we were talking about coaches.
15:48So, you guys had the player conversation.
15:51I think that's interesting.
15:53I kind of want to extrapolate from that.
15:55You are very clearly saying you think he's the best coach in the game.
16:00And I'll take it a step further.
16:02And, boy, this is where I'm really going to tick some of you off.
16:05If you take current circumstances into account, which means age, injury, all things.
16:16If you take current situations and circumstances into account.
16:21Age of what?
16:22The coach?
16:22Well, sure.
16:24And the player.
16:25Okay.
16:26Go back to Baldy's statement.
16:27I would take Sirianni and Hurts over the combo of Shanahan and Purdy.
16:34I don't think there's any coach-quarterback combo I would take over Shanahan and Purdy.
16:39If you're putting age into it.
16:41Yes.
16:41In other words, you're not going to take.
16:43Right.
16:43So, you're not going to take Reed and Mahomes, even though he could be ready for week one.
16:47He might, but I don't think he will be.
16:48I mean, there's...
16:49Well, the ACL now is like going to in and out.
16:51It takes about five to six months to get what you want.
16:54Not just an ACL.
16:56I got the doctor experts that I listen to, and they think week one and week two and week three
17:01are going to be a problem.
17:03And actually, also not going to be himself when he returns.
17:08It usually takes a year.
17:09Unless you're Adrian Peterson.
17:11It took four weeks.
17:11That's my thing.
17:13The other baby knees.
17:14Yes.
17:14Andy is getting late in his 60s, and Patrick is hurt.
17:19Stafford is getting close to 40.
17:21I love McVay.
17:22I think he's a great coach.
17:23He's a little intense for me.
17:24I feel like his eyes are going to fly out of his head whenever he talks, but okay.
17:2737 years old now means you only have five more years.
17:30Maybe.
17:31And this back injury he allegedly had?
17:33Apparently not.
17:34Missed me with that.
17:35Oh, it'd be interesting to see how he looks this weekend, but not because of the back,
17:38but because of the finger.
17:39And because of the cold.
17:40Yes.
17:40You realize it's going to be like below zero wind chill.
17:43I don't know what to do with that game.
17:44If that game were so far, I'd have no problem telling you the Rams are going to win that
17:48thing by 12 points.
17:49But I don't know.
17:51I don't know what this thing is.
17:52And the over-under still sits at 48 and a half.
17:53Yeah.
17:53Yeah.
17:54Well, the Bears defense cannot stop anyone, and the Rams defense suddenly looks more gettable
18:00than before.
18:01But anyway, that's my answer on those two.
18:04Go to Peyton and Nix.
18:05Bo Nix hasn't shown enough to me yet that I would take him over Brock Purdy.
18:09No love for McDermott and Allen.
18:11That, to me, is the surprising one.
18:13That's the one where I take pause.
18:15But I really, Sean McDermott, for whatever reason, has escaped normalcy in the NFL circles.
18:23This is someone true or false.
18:25Sean McDermott has often, like when he's been to the playoffs before, they have underachieved.
18:33Like, you've got the guy that people think is the best player in the game, and you've
18:37never even been to a Super Bowl.
18:40Yeah.
18:40And, from a player personnel standpoint, I don't think there's a team in the league that's
18:45letting someone down more than the Bills let down Josh Allen.
18:49I don't like his defense.
18:51I don't love his receiving core.
18:53I don't love his offensive line.
18:54I just think he's amazeballs.
18:56And it covers up for so much other crap.
18:59But yes, like, Allen is clearly better than Purdy, but I think Shanahan is miles ahead of
19:05Sean McDermott.
19:05Yeah, he's been in the playoffs eight of nine years, and Shanahan's been coaching for nine
19:09years as well.
19:10So, I just think that he always gets left out of the conversation, and it's because
19:14of what you just said, which is, like, for example, tomorrow, when they play at Denver,
19:20Josh Allen can be amazing, and Denver can be just okay, and Denver can win 21 to 20.
19:26They could.
19:26And Buffalo's out again.
19:27Yep.
19:27And, you know, Josh Allen goes 31 for 38 and runs for 67 yards.
19:33I mean, they've got no receivers.
19:35They lost two guys to ACLs, and they could go in there and win.
19:38And if they don't, I mean, who are you going to blame?
19:40What a fascinating conversation in the offseason if Buffalo loses this game tomorrow because
19:47of the fact that not only is it yet another trip to the playoffs that doesn't really bear
19:53fruit, but clearly this year, with no Mahomes, no Burrow, and no Lamar in the playoffs with
19:59you, there's a lot expected of Josh.
20:02Like, Josh, Josh is the best quarterback in these playoffs, and I don't think it's terribly
20:07close.
20:08I understand there's some exciting up-and-coming young players.
20:10Drake May, I think, is wonderful.
20:13Stafford is Stafford.
20:14I think Brock Purdy has answered all of his critics, et cetera, et cetera.
20:18These are all good players, but Josh Allen, that's the dude.
20:22Yeah.
20:22And if they lose this game tomorrow, I don't know what to say.
20:28It's not like you can rework the whole thing.
20:30It's all about Josh.
20:32But, like, what's the drawing board for Buffalo if they lose tomorrow?
20:36It's, Josh, did we lose you?
20:38Okay, you're still here?
20:39All right, let's see what other crap we can surround you with.
20:42And if they lose, McDermott falls to 8-8 in the postseason.
20:47Postseason wins by year, 0-0-2, 1-1-1-1-2-1.
20:52So it's usually one win, and then we're out.
20:56I wonder if this year has made Niner fans arrive at this opinion as well.
21:02But that's where I sit, taking age and injury into account.
21:07But Shanahan and Purdy, that's my first pick.
21:11And if we're just talking head coaches, Kyle Shanahan, that's my first pick.
21:17You're right.
21:18So, we're out.
21:22We're going to need to be better than what's going on here.
21:24So, I think they're going on, once there's going on.
21:27Let's see what happens.
21:29And then we're just going to get to the bank.
21:31We're out.
21:32We're out.
21:33We're out.
21:35We're out.
21:36So, you're out.
21:37We're out.
21:37We're out.
21:39We're out.
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