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02:43show must continue. So those of you who are viewing us all over Trinidad and Tobago and
02:48across the globe, we welcome you to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host Whitney Husbands and we're smack in the middle of...
02:53the week and that means we're getting ready to slide straight into the weekend. Now I'm short listening...
02:58so the update that was trending this morning straight into this evening we will see...
03:03saying that the Zoso bill has not been passed and that means we have to go right back.
03:08to square one to see what may happen moving forward. Now since today's Wednesday of course it's...
03:13legally speaking Wednesdays we have our Trinidad law who is always there to be there to us.
03:18to assist us and give us the information that is needed. We have our Trinidad laws are here...
03:23Ali here with us this evening. Of course he is the director of public and community support.
03:28at the Ministry of Homeland. Good evening to you sir and how are you this evening? It seems like it was a long...
03:33good evening or dear I should say. It has been a long...
03:35good evening to you sir and Whitney. It has been a long...
03:37good evening to you sir and Whitney. It has been...
03:38your intelligence is good. It has been a demanding week. Yes.
03:43but a rewarding week. Demanding but rewarding you know in my context.
03:47trying to...
03:48ensure that I move the public business any way that it should be done. But you know...
03:51as always it's a pleasure to join you on SAP.
03:53good evening to Jackie and you know our colleagues behind the scene.
03:58are instrumental and you would have seen a short while ago how instrumental they are in terms of...
04:02Yes very.
04:03trying to...
04:03to adjust some technical issues. The... my law enforcement...
04:08colleagues you know across the various agencies. Those who are viewing and listening out of the jurisdiction.
04:13and you know the most important stakeholder. The citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago.
04:18good evening to you. Whitney. You know if I were to make...
04:23one statement this afternoon you know in...
04:25relation to all others happening. I will say that we are...
04:28seeing a very active democracy. Yes. And when I see an active...
04:33democracy. As citizens of this country. You and I and Jackie and others.
04:38We should be very happy to see the democracy. And how you know...
04:43the citizenry are getting involved in relation to what's happening in Trinidad and Tobago. I think it's healthy.
04:48Having said that. It's important for me to match it by indicating like I did last week.
04:53for us to be mature, responsible and tempered in relation to how we are treating with it.
04:58Last week I would have advocated very heavily giving...
05:02you know very...
05:03very deep perspective in relation to the Zozo bill that you spoke about.
05:06which was defeated.
05:08in the Senate. You know particularly by the position of the independent senator.
05:13which was you know urgently required. But I also said that you know...
05:16I respected the views of the various...
05:18various phases of Parliament. And the Parliament have spoken. We must respect that.
05:23Now it's important for me legally speaking. It's something I would like to place into the domain.
05:26I know that there's a lot of common...
05:28but there are funds that are also for and against.
05:31Yes.
05:32Some have remained...
05:33independent.
05:34But I think the time has come. And I want to speak directly and respectfully.
05:38to the Parliament here. And to the executive arm of Trinidad and Tobago.
05:43that it may be a good time. We have spoken about constitutional reform. But it may be...
05:48a good time to give some serious consideration for a...
05:53referendum process in relation to law making. And the reason why I'm saying that...
05:57and I'm saying that...
05:58that's not in the best interest of all of us. If there are 1.4 million people. Let's say a million...
06:03has the jurisdiction to exercise a voting right.
06:07Yes.
06:08I think that...
06:0841...
06:10by...
06:11how many...
06:12um...
06:13...
06:13opposition and government senators and independent senators. I think that...
06:16every single citizen of this country...
06:18when there are laws...
06:20like these also built...
06:22which is...
06:23...
06:23um...
06:24heavily impacting constitutionalist uses...
06:26they are...
06:27they are impacting...
06:28...
06:29...
06:28certain provisions that are deeply...
06:29enshrined in the Constitution...
06:30mm-hmm...
06:31...
06:32...
06:33...
06:33as special majority. I think that...
06:35these are...
06:36the legislation...
06:37I should say...
06:38bills in my view.
06:38that should be placed...
06:39in...
06:40to a referendum...
06:41on the basis that the law is there to...
06:43to be able to accommodate...
06:44referendum. I think it's important to give...
06:45every single citizen...
06:46the opportunity to be able to...
06:47conscience...
06:48contribute. And...
06:49you know...
06:50why we are not speaking...
06:51that penalty today...
06:52even when you are considering...
06:53whether to remove the death penalty...
06:55the law...
06:56from the books as well...
06:57those are significant...
06:58topical issues...
06:59the international community...
07:00is looking in as well...
07:01with reference to those issues...
07:02human rights...
07:03others...
07:04and I think that...
07:05my call this afternoon...
07:06is that...
07:07I respected the Parliament...
07:08in terms of their...
07:09and I'm saying that...
07:10for the bigger picture...
07:11public interest...
07:12safety and security...
07:13sometimes...
07:14every single citizen...
07:15or electorate...
07:16must be entrusted...
07:17with the responsibility...
07:18to detail...
07:19to determine...
07:20what they want...
07:21for Trinidad and Tobago...
07:22and just not leave it...
07:23in the hands of...
07:24representatives...
07:25or persons...
07:26who are appearing...
07:27also in the Senate...
07:28and I think that's...
07:29a very significant point...
07:29and Jackie...
07:30and your good self...
07:31and probably...
07:32all media hoses...
07:33if you are listening to me...
07:34I would like to...
07:34the assistant...
07:35and supporter...
07:36place that...
07:37at the forefront...
07:38in relation to...
07:39whether the time is...
07:39has come...
07:40in our Constitution...
07:41for an amendment...
07:42to have a referendum...
07:43approach...
07:44with matters...
07:44because of this nature...
07:45so I want to thank you...
07:46for the opportunity...
07:47to make those...
07:48all right...
07:49at this time...
07:49let's take a look...
07:50at what's making...
07:51today's updates...
07:52with our SOE...
07:53update day 196...
07:54number of operations...
07:5614,953...
07:59target priority offenders...
08:004,371...
08:02searches conducted...
08:039...
08:0448,453...
08:06traffic...
08:07operations...
08:089,900...
08:09total persons...
08:10arrested...
08:115,690...
08:12total persons...
08:13arrested...
08:145,690...
08:14total persons...
08:15charged...
08:162,871...
08:17total persons...
08:18charged...
08:192,871...
08:19traffic offenses...
08:21detected...
08:2249,700...
08:23and...
08:2452...
08:25firearms...
08:26recovered...
08:27a total...
08:28of...
08:29320...
08:29ammunition...
08:30recovered...
08:31we're seeing...
08:32a total of...
08:334,816...
08:34dangerous drugs...
08:35seized...
08:36we're seeing...
08:37an increase in the...
08:38cannabis and cocaine...
08:391...
08:39miss Ali well you know as always with me every time you read these statistics I
08:43must
08:44must acknowledge the the contribution from the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago
08:49because without them we wouldn't be enjoying the opportunity to read those
08:53statistics
08:54and it's important for us to continue to build on those statistics and you know
08:57more so where we are
08:59couple days away from the end of the state of emergency it's important
09:04for us not to lose sight of the urgency that is required and
09:08also
09:09responsible responsible
09:14formulation and development of strategies to ensure that we sustain
09:19the benefits that would have achieved over the last couple months with
09:22reference to the state of emergency
09:24and I'll take this opportunity to say to Trinidad and Tobago
09:27to let us as I said before let us look at this with them
09:29what you I let us look at it with a responsible position that we
09:34live in this country we all are deserving of public safety and security
09:39and it's important for us not to be placing ourselves in a situation to be
09:43gambling
09:44with public safety and security and why am I saying that with me if we know that the
09:48state of emergency is coming
09:49the state of emergency is coming
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10:14the state of emergency is coming
10:15the state of emergency is coming
10:16the state of emergency is coming
10:17take its course the rule of law will find its course but we as citizens
10:22must recognize that we cannot surrender this fight despite what happened we cannot surrender
10:27this fight we live here we have the what has been considered the greatest show on earth
10:32that is just and I know it is me I know that you are spending a lot of time and focus on our on a
10:37Friday morning yes to be able to you know to you know promote the culture of Trinidad and Tobago
10:41with Marlon and others
10:42and you know those sporting icons so you know just in just in sight the greatest show where
10:47the whole world looks in at Trinidad and Tobago and you know we must have that responsible
10:52patriotism to recognize that we cannot surrender a fight where crime and criminality is going
10:57so now we must ensure that we continue to play and do our part I just want I I cannot unstress that
11:02afternoon yes at this time let's take a look what's making today's headlines
11:07you
11:36And those are the stories making.
11:37Today's headlines.
11:38We'll take a short break and we'll continue with more after this.
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16:29collision with a pickup on a truck and police are continuing the investigation
16:34into the crash and what could have caused it again mr. Ali
16:39we also continue to plead to the drivers of the nation
16:44take your time but most certainly with me there was a
16:49legislative intervention recently and you know that's one part of it but it's also important
16:54for that self-responsibility you know I myself have continued to you know observe
16:59you know some recklessness on the you know in Asian roads and
17:04especially during this period I want to remind that persons are probably
17:09going to a fat coming from a fat or some persons are just so busy to reach home or
17:13me
17:14to conduct their daily activities or trade please please just let's be
17:18responsible
17:19and as we said before there are many other factors infrastructure
17:24you know the number of vehicles and the on the roadway you know many different
17:28things
17:29lights and conditions you know traffic signs and many different things so we
17:32yes you have the law
17:34yes the law is very instructive but at the same time it comes for the person who is in
17:37charge of the vehicle to continue to maintain
17:39that level of responsibility and you know we always hear this drive for you and your
17:44duty okay to the other persons that you are coming into contact with
17:47whether it be motorists or whether it be pedestrians but
17:49you know let us continue to champion that call I want to urge you you know you are here for the week
17:54you know please take that call for us so that is a consistent reminder for the
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18:00I hope we good mr. Allen we take a short break we'll be back
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20:35Hi.
20:37We are back and we have a call on the lines.
20:39Sir Vakchari phone lines.
20:40Caller good evening.
20:44Hello?
20:46Hello?
20:49Hello?
20:50Hello?
20:51Hello?
20:54Hello?
20:54Alright, so as we wait to see what is going on with the caller there, I believe we're
20:59getting the caller on right now.
21:01Caller good evening.
21:04Hello?
21:05Hello?
21:06I'm hearing you.
21:07Alright, we're hearing you.
21:08Go ahead.
21:09Caller.
21:10Caller.
21:14Caller good evening.
21:15Hello?
21:16Hello?
21:17I'm not going to get any.
21:19Alright, thank you very much.
21:20Yes, go ahead.
21:21Officer.
21:22What do you think to you?
21:24Concerning the investigation taken place concerning the shooting and I know a lot of
21:29people says all sorts of things and then they're speaking about why they're not wearing
21:34clothes.
21:35Everybody comes and all that.
21:36And I also saw in Minneapolis where some, you know.
21:39immigration cracked down and a man was shot.
21:44A lot of videos they showed and a lot of people they were protesting and they said because
21:49what.
21:49They said previously a woman was shot in her car and they made all of it.
21:54And I said I know it's about that.
21:59But it might and they also said.
21:59about. The men who shot that man, they won't use an arm.
22:04But somebody can't. And I was surprised because I said all over, not all over the world, but
22:09in different places, like in America, so I know that, you know, this is where I can.
22:14So, I'm saying that...
22:14We need to be able to step up to the plate with our body cams and trying to do that.
22:19Second point is, Officer Ali, for the families in Trinidad who...
22:24...who said, you know, they want to sing about the two trainees who...
22:29...who got shot, who were killed when the senior congress...
22:34...when the people...
22:36...with the boats now, and two Trinidadians...
22:39...do you think anything will come out of that reason why I'm asking that the senior congress...
22:44...for the ACLU, which is the American Civil Liberties...
22:49...the union, they say in the challenges, a series of unlawful struggles...
22:54...but at the same time, the administration claimed the strikes were lawful.
22:59So, I'm wondering if, if, if, if, if, if...
23:01...and all they say, but never if failed to try, but...
23:04...we'll try, I'm wondering if anything will go on that.
23:06The third point is, the online cam, why this...
23:09...keep happening to people...
23:11...the number of times that have been said on this program and all that...
23:14...this, this woman, she, she, she looked on Instagram at something about her phone...
23:19...and she paid for it...
23:20...and when she went, well...
23:21...why do you not listen to that person?
23:23All the best...
23:24...to all of you, and safe carnival to all of you.
23:27Thank you very, very much.
23:28Thank you, ma'am.
23:29Thank you, Charlie.
23:30Thank you very much, Kola.
23:31Three points.
23:32Yeah.
23:33Thank you very much for your three very interesting points.
23:34And I must admit, you know, very sensitive matters, and...
23:39...you know, I wish I can speak to the public...
23:41...um, in a way that I would love to speak to the public on...
23:44...unfortunately, because of the many hats that I wear.
23:46It's important for me to ensure that I maintain a very impartial...
23:49...and responsible position.
23:50And, you know, I'd probably even urge you, members of the public...
23:53...to all...
23:54...and also be responsible in terms of how we are responding to issues.
23:58And, you know, I'll probably...
23:59...identify probably three principles or three phrases that I wanted to consider.
24:02That, you know, everyone...
24:04...will have or should have access to the court...
24:06...in relation to looking at, you know, moving their...
24:09...the grievance, and that may be applicable to point number two...
24:12...in relation to persons who believe...
24:14...um, that they have a case...
24:17...um, and, you know, they want to test it.
24:19...you know, so we must respect that.
24:20...um, the first point in relation to what's happening with the...
24:23...with the issue...
24:24...incident.
24:25You know, when we hear terms like, you know, ensuring that there's impartiality...
24:28...um, there's no...
24:29...of prejudice to the inquiry...
24:30...um, those are very serious terms...
24:32...and I will ask us to ponder on those terms...
24:34...in terms of how we go forward.
24:35We know a lot has been said.
24:36A lot is going on.
24:37And, you know, let us ensure...
24:39...that the due process is, you know, strictly observed...
24:42...and, you know, we'll see the outcome.
24:44...of, um, of those investigations.
24:46...um, with reference to the final point.
24:48...
24:49...
24:49...the online scam.
24:50The online scam.
24:51Well, Whitney, you and I have...
24:52...have went the tongue with that.
24:53Yes.
24:54...and, you know, I...
24:54...even reached a stage on the last occasion.
24:56You know, to...
24:57...you know, have an opportunity to look at some of those...
24:59...victim statements.
25:00You see, probably, you know, I may have to...
25:02...have some engagement with the...
25:04...Chanadanan Tobago Association of Psychologists.
25:07Yes.
25:08To step in.
25:09To step in to know, you know, what's happening with these individuals...
25:12...if you are hearing it time and time again.
25:14...you are getting proper instructions, proper guidance...
25:16...um, whether it be from public officials, whether from...
25:19...this platform, other platform, from your family members and you are still...
25:22...you know, um...
25:23...you know, um...
25:24Engaging and not...
25:25...you are still being deceived, you know, by the criminal elements.
25:28Um, Whitney is important.
25:29...for me last week, you know, I just...
25:30...if these callers are listening...
25:32...you know, um...
25:33...two particular callers would have...
25:34...to speak with me.
25:35Um...
25:36...I have directed my...
25:37...subordinates to reach out to you all so, um...
25:39If they didn't as yet, just because of the workload, but they will reach you and you know yourself.
25:44So I just wanted to make that publicly on television.
25:46We have another caller.
25:47Caller, good evening.
25:49Caller.
25:50Hello.
25:51Yes, you're live.
25:53Yes, sir.
25:54Hello.
25:55Are you there?
25:56Yes, sir.
25:59We are hearing you.
26:04Good evening, sir.
26:05Good evening, sir.
26:06With me and Director.
26:07Good evening to you, sir.
26:08A couple of issues.
26:09Um, and I want, you said that the-
26:14Democratic, um, process took place and I want-
26:19Don't disagree with it, with what I am seeing on a-
26:24Facebook response from the Prime Minister.
26:28So I'm not going to bring it-
26:29I want people to see what she said, and it might have been a quipoco.
26:34So, for- for something to happen.
26:36The other issue you want to talk.
26:39The TTPS in a difficult position, in-
26:44order to help mitigate crime, there are a number of factors-
26:49has to be sorted out within the TTPS.
26:53I'm-
26:54I'm comforted by a comment made by the DCP, um-
26:59Mr. Benjamin today, despite everything that's happened, we-
27:04have to continue to mitigate against crime.
27:08W-
27:09He was telling me as a citizen.
27:11And I'm not going to basically call out what I'm talking about-
27:14You're-
27:15You're-
27:16COP-
27:17You're Commissioner of Police Treat-
27:19four weeks ago, said, in a-
27:22In-
27:23in the newspaper-
27:24want him feel no I believe you all need
27:29resources and I'm going to identify four resources
27:33that I believe could
27:34help you all the first one is the technology
27:39and I believe you all have it
27:41the second one is the physical resources
27:43the body cameras
27:44the other two
27:46is heated
27:48you wanted
27:49laws
27:50will that
27:51law
27:52you have a question with that
27:54and the other one that have
27:56from time of immobile on this program
27:59a reconstruction of the human resources within
28:04the TTPS
28:05too many cases have been
28:08been dismissed
28:09in the newspaper
28:10and we have
28:12I'm saying this is my
28:14thing I'm not putting the TTPS
28:15to anybody
28:16I believe the current police service
28:19commission is complicit with the I suppose
28:23there
28:24the deliberations
28:26and what they have to do
28:28they're responsible
28:29I think
28:30more
28:31this that no
28:32would have
28:33done two
28:34things
28:35prevented
28:36and corruptive
28:37action
28:38because they are
28:39sitting
28:39things
28:40would have
28:41help the situation
28:42I say no more
28:43believe in
28:44and enjoy
28:45yourself
28:44thank you
28:45thank you sir
28:46thank you very much
28:47Cola
28:48very strong comments
28:49very
28:49very strong submissions
28:50and you know
28:51Whitney here's table
28:52in the last submission
28:53calling out a very important
28:54institution as well
28:55in terms of the police service commission
28:56yes
28:57and you know when you are looking at
28:59crime and criminality
29:00every stakeholder
29:01and in this case he tabled the police service commission
29:04of course the TTPS as the primary vehicle
29:07and other support agencies
29:09offer
29:09you know
29:10it's
29:11every
29:12party must be playing a role
29:13and be
29:14playing a role in a timely manner
29:15so you know
29:16again it's coming from the citizens
29:17and if they believe
29:19that they need to you know
29:20alert the police service commission
29:21you know
29:22to look and assist in terms of
29:23how do we develop
29:24the TTPS
29:25because what I will agree
29:26in terms of
29:27looking at the
29:28prime
29:29enemy vehicle
29:30into the TTPS
29:31I always said
29:32that is not one
29:33individual
29:34that you depend on
29:36to be able to police
29:37Trinidad and Tobago
29:38that individual has to
29:39work with the entire organization
29:41and the entire organization
29:42must be up
29:44to date
29:45with reference to one
29:46the passion
29:47the
29:48and in fact let me just hit the
29:49the values the core values of the police service
29:51professionalism
29:52respect
29:53integrity
29:54dignity
29:55and excellence
29:56that that's there for a reason
29:58that's not there
29:59for decorations
30:00we
30:01and we meaning every single rank and file
30:03should
30:04hold those core values very close
30:06so that you make leadership and supervision easy
30:09but if the rank and file is not responding
30:11in the way that they should
30:12and I'm saying that without prejudice
30:14the ones who are really making a conscious effort
30:17to be able to preserve public
30:19safety and security
30:20it's important for every stakeholder
30:22every individual
30:23to
30:24rise
30:24rise to the occasion
30:25and may I say
30:26this is a situation
30:27that while there may be a lot of questions
30:29the population may be charged
30:31my simple advice to the TTPS
30:33and especially
30:34I said
30:35now
30:36as
30:37in policy
30:38Let us
30:39let us
30:39Rediscover ourselves.
30:41Let us take charge as to what's happening in Trinidad and Tobago.
30:44Like he indicated in terms of one of the Deputy Commissioners saying that regardless of a state of emergency or not.
30:49Let us use the laws that are there to be able to police this country for every single citizen.
30:53All said.
30:54We'll take that break.
30:54We'll be back.
30:59You're welcome.
31:01Cheers.
31:01Cheers.
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31:12Yes, I had an adult.
31:14I have so much, I take some food, and I can't be the only one.
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35:46The phone lines are still open.
35:47We have a call on the line.
35:48Call a good evening.
35:49Call a good evening.
35:54Call a good evening.
35:55Hello?
35:58Hi, good evening to you.
35:59Hello.
36:00Good evening.
36:01Good evening, Ms. Hatsbos.
36:02Good evening, Director Ali.
36:03Good evening, too.
36:04A few quick questions.
36:05Questions and suggestions.
36:06Sometimes business establishments, you have issues with them.
36:10I just wanted to know why the country doesn't create a better business bureau.
36:15There, you can make complaints, and if the complaints are found legitimate, you can
36:20then it will be recorded.
36:21So before you conduct business, any sort of business, you can...
36:25You can call to see if that company is on the list.
36:28Secondly, it's been hurt...
36:30It's been hurt in my heart since the Christmas holiday.
36:32The amount of domestic violence that women have been...
36:35Going through.
36:36I just wanted to ask a question, Mr. Ali.
36:38Now, I know if police...
36:40Officers go to a site, and a woman, and let's just say, it doesn't have to be a female.
36:45Not necessarily, but a complaint, the person decides not, the victim decides not to make...
36:50...a report.
36:51Can a report still be taken regardless as to whether or not...
36:55That individual changes their mind because so many children...
36:58Like, so many people are being affected...
37:00...by what is taking place.
37:01Even though the victim may decide not to make a report, can a report still be taken?
37:05My last thing, Trinidad and Tobago, we need to do better.
37:09Our elders...
37:10We need to kill our women.
37:11It's just...
37:12The murder rate is outrageous, but it's a...
37:15...affecting the elderly, our women.
37:17And something stayed on my mind.
37:19So the...
37:20The person who shot that lady in the car and left those children there to experience that.
37:25Please think twice.
37:26And to everyone who's turning away, he...
37:30...that does nothing is an accomplice to it.
37:33He that turns a blind eye to...
37:35...becomes an accomplice to it.
37:36What type of children...
37:37...these children are going to need psychological help?
37:40What type of people are we creating when they're experiencing these sorts of things?
37:47I believe she's speaking of the mayor incident...
37:49...without shooting incident.
37:50Thank you very much, Kola.
37:51Kola, I can feel your passion.
37:53And your submission...
37:55...is well received as well.
37:56Yeah.
37:57I'll deal with the domestic violence issue.
37:58Let me say it publicly.
37:59I'm very...
38:00Very clearly.
38:01Once a police officer has information...
38:05...of intelligence that there's a domestic violence that is unfolding.
38:08And we know that there are several ways...
38:10...which abuse can take place.
38:11And I'm speaking in the context, you know...
38:13...just for the record.
38:15For the most...
38:16...the strongest of all...
38:17...in terms of...
38:18...where there's physical violence.
38:19The police officer is Jewish.
38:20...who is addicted to intervene in those circumstances.
38:22So whether a victim didn't reach a police station...
38:25...calling 999...
38:26...if you have intelligence...
38:28...and whatever...
38:29...format...
38:30you receive it attend to that call investigate that matter because you may well learn with me that the
38:35reporting is suppressed yes by a further threats to life and and and limb
38:40so it's important to to respond so that that in a nutshell you know
38:45um respond to the question that you were asking in terms of whether the victim don't report whether
38:49the police
38:50still has an obligation and you know i think um that's the best way to approach it um
38:55business bureau i think that that's an excellent excellent position in terms of
38:58you know you can go into a database and see exactly
39:00whether those persons are established um similarly what happens with procurement you know those who
39:04want
39:05to ensure that they benefit from public services and and um um the purchase of
39:10goods and services by government officials you know you have to be registered on the on the public
39:14procurement
39:15register so that you can now um you know have the opportunity to tender and so forth so some
39:20you know a similar principle so that i think she's targeting the uh online scams and deception
39:24this one
39:25business that's correct that's all out there as well that's correct we have another call on the line
39:28caller good evening
39:30caller
39:35good evening good evening good evening good evening good evening good evening to you sir i'm not sure
39:40Yes?
39:41Yes, sir, I want to make a point.
39:44You know, like, people may-
39:45making loud noises in the neighborhood.
39:48You call the police, police-
39:50it does nothing.
39:51Absolutely nothing.
39:53Now, you put them in court-
39:55you know, obviously the matter would be adjourned.
39:58You know, they go back again-
40:00and they make loud-
40:02and they- they- they- they- they- they- they- they-
40:03they put them in court, they go, they get legal.
40:06And this continues.
40:07So they, they continue the trend-
40:09although the matter has-
40:10m-
40:10in court, they go over
40:11repeatedly the offense
40:13and they are still out.
40:15You know, I don't know what the Constitution
40:19says.
40:20But this is an abuse of the process
40:22because they have to pay for attorney.
40:25I don't think they would repeat that.
40:27But because the service is paid,
40:28they repeat the same...
40:30...offense over and over and over again.
40:33So Mr. Ali, I would like an...
40:35I had wanted to see...
40:36I had left my number already.
40:38Someone called and I asked...
40:40I could have met in a location
40:41and I've got no response.
40:43I am going to leave my number again.
40:45Someone can contact me.
40:46It is extremely important.
40:48So it is extremely...
40:50I don't know if they would take
40:52my number off here or what.
40:55Yes.
40:56Now, I want to ask you,
40:57what are you saying here?
40:58Does regardless of your situation...
41:00and if you feel you're doing...
41:01you're being wronged
41:02or a person who is in a situation
41:04where they're...
41:05committing crimes,
41:06everyone across the board
41:07deserves legal aid, not so?
41:09Yeah, yeah.
41:09Um...
41:10Once you're speaking from a criminal realm,
41:12you know,
41:12a person who is suspected
41:13of a criminal offence
41:14under the Constitution...
41:15should have access to an attorney.
41:16Yes.
41:17And sometimes the person
41:18have the means
41:19in which to retain their own attorney.
41:20but if they don't have...
41:21you have some support system
41:24from the state
41:24to ensure that...
41:25there's fairness,
41:26there's impartiality.
41:27But I understand
41:28where the caller is going on,
41:29um...
41:29you know, because...
41:30it's of a sensitive nature,
41:31I will take the call
41:32and, you know,
41:32speak to him,
41:32you know, offline
41:33to be able to really
41:34dissect the smarter,
41:34but...
41:35he raises a issue of noise.
41:36Yes.
41:36And I'm not linking it
41:37to this particular situation.
41:38I'll give the public some...
41:40update that reference
41:41to this issue of noise
41:42under the directive
41:44of the Minister...
41:45of Homeland Security.
41:46We have met with
41:46several stakeholders
41:47and had given
41:48an undertaking
41:49to Trinidad and Tobago.
41:50we have since formulated
41:52and developed
41:52a draft policy
41:53and that policy
41:54have been now submitted
41:55to the Honourable Minister
41:57to go to Cabinet
41:57to be able to trigger
41:59some legislative...
42:00operational and other changes.
42:01So, um...
42:02to the citizenry,
42:03um...
42:04we are listening to you.
42:05We are listening to you
42:06and, you know,
42:07I continue to ask
42:08for your patience.
42:09Um...
42:10as we take this...
42:11this process forward.
42:12Um...
42:13notwithstanding that we are...
42:15working progress
42:16if there are matters
42:17that you feel
42:17that you need to bring
42:18to a director of policy...
42:20further consideration.
42:21I am open
42:21and I have given
42:22Trinidad and Tobago
42:22that window.
42:23Please bring it.
42:24I need to hear from you.
42:25The Honourable Minister
42:26of Homeland Security
42:27need to hear from you.
42:27The Cabinet
42:28need to hear from you.
42:29And let us, you know...
42:30earlier clock start
42:31that, um...
42:32input on that consultation.
42:33But the policy,
42:34the draft policy...
42:35to trigger legislative reform
42:37has been forwarded
42:38for, for, um...
42:39higher consideration.
42:40So I just wanted to give
42:41the members of the public
42:42an update
42:43with reference
42:43to this here noise.
42:44And noise...
42:45at least in this context
42:45that is causing
42:46a public nuisance
42:47which is a criminal offence.
42:50We are...
42:50looking at developing
42:51strengthening
42:52legislatively,
42:54operationally,
42:54administ...
42:55because we know
42:56the country has cried out
42:57with reference to noise.
42:59I don't know
42:59whether this situation...
43:00is a civil matter
43:01or whether it's a criminal matter.
43:03But when I speak to him,
43:04I'll see what's happening.
43:05Yes.
43:05consideration is key.
43:06We have our final caller,
43:07the same caller.
43:08Good evening.
43:10I bet I was even
43:11to my favorite presenters.
43:13Sorry,
43:13that's two quick questions.
43:15At the end of this category,
43:18how soon...
43:20can another SOA be issued?
43:23And when we look
43:23at the amount of...
43:25progress that the police
43:26made with this issue...
43:30I'm wondering now,
43:32why did they put the call...
43:35something to actually stop
43:37the way forward?
43:39Because we know that...
43:40if you just change gear on me,
43:42I can't function as normal.
43:45All right.
43:47Thank you so much, caller.
43:48Caller, thank you very much.
43:49And I don't...
43:50I never believe
43:51in misrepresenting the public.
43:53It's a great question.
43:55I am of the view
43:55that if there has
43:57to be a continuation,
43:58there needs to be...
44:00a special majority
44:01to take it further.
44:03But I think in terms of...
44:05if once it comes down
44:06in January,
44:06there must be a break.
44:08And then there must be,
44:09again...
44:10starting back
44:10from the beginning
44:11in terms of
44:12there must be
44:13intelligence...
44:15that will trigger
44:16that there is a threat
44:18to public safety
44:18and security,
44:19again,
44:19in order to give...
44:20consideration
44:20for consideration
44:22of another declaration
44:23of a state of emergency.
44:24But if you...
44:25you have to continue
44:25you need a special majority.
44:27If it breaks
44:28on the 31st of January
44:29with a deal...
44:30there must be
44:31credible intelligence
44:32that there is a threat
44:32to public safety
44:33and security,
44:34again,
44:34which may...
44:35have to be taken
44:35to the Prime Minister
44:36of the National Security Council
44:37and for...
44:38and advised to the President
44:39to be able to...
44:40declare.
44:40So,
44:41that's in a nutshell
44:42how it is,
44:43but I will double-check it.
44:45if there is a need
44:46to reshape it,
44:47but excellent question.
44:48I missed the second question
44:49that you asked.
44:50No one was very clear
44:51with what you stated.
44:52We have a few seconds
44:53to wrap things up.
44:53Okay, so...
44:54And let me come into the...
44:55end of the SOE
44:56would not be here
44:57until next week.
44:58Yes.
44:58Wednesday.
44:59What you could tell the public
44:59to make sure...
45:00that we understand
45:01that we have to still
45:02be law-abiding citizens
45:03after the SOE?
45:04Well, most certainly...
45:05and, you know,
45:06during the course
45:06of this process,
45:07I've been indicating
45:08that, you know,
45:08regardless of the state
45:09of emergency...
45:10regardless of the SOE
45:11bill may have failed
45:11at this time,
45:12it's important for us
45:13to recognize
45:14that we still have our response.
45:15responsibility.
45:15Do not surrender the fight.
45:17Do not surrender the fight.
45:18The citizenry support...
45:20is very important
45:21and to the law enforcement
45:22despite what is happening.
45:24Our statutory...
45:25duty, our oath of office
45:26still remains intact.
45:28We need to ensure
45:29that we fulfill our...
45:30obligations.
45:31To Trinidad and Tobago,
45:32be tempered,
45:33be patient
45:33and continue to exercise.
45:35your right
45:36and to build
45:37the democracy
45:37of Trinidad and Tobago.
45:38Thank you so much.
45:39Of course...
45:40our attorney at Law Zahiri Ali
45:41being here with us
45:42on Legally Speaking Wednesdays.
45:44Tomorrow we'll have AS.
45:45So, back with us once again.
45:47We get ready for news
45:47up next at 7 o'clock.
45:49Until tomorrow...
45:50See you.
45:50One time, same place.
45:51God bless TNT.
45:52We're out.
45:55God bless you.
45:57All right.
45:58God bless you.
45:59God bless you.
45:59God bless you.
45:59God bless you.
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