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02:08What's up, you guys?
02:09I'm Ren.
02:10And I'm Kim.
02:11Welcome to Conversations with Ren and Kim.
02:13We can't believe we've got an exciting new Season 2 drop right here on TV6 at 7.30pm
02:18on Saturdays.
02:19We have a lot in store, lots planned for this season.
02:22We promise it's going to be way better than Season 1.
02:25But yeah, I'm excited to see what Season 2 brings and I know that all viewers are equally
02:29excited as us.
02:30Yep.
02:31So, let's go.
02:42Welcome to Beyond the Tape.
02:48Welcome Trinidad and Tobago.
02:49I'm your host Marc Bessant and of course our viewers across the globe.
02:53It's Day 23 of the State of Emergency.
02:57And I can imagine those people who were coming from South Trinidad this morning and in the
03:03central area heading up to Port of Spain, there was some traffic because the Chase Village
03:09area just off the southern main road, there was actually the body of a man found, believed
03:14to have been murdered.
03:15His name was Rolando Sutherland and it really caused a lot of traffic early this morning
03:22as police made that discovery after receiving a call.
03:26And it was not too long after that that they also received information that a gentleman
03:35by the name of Denzel Daniel, I think, was shot and killed in the Longdonville area.
03:40And those numbers pushed the murder count to the year for 20 in just 21 days.
03:47And, you know, it's been a very busy day.
03:50And I wanted to introduce ACP Wayne Meister, Welcomes over of the Trinidad and Tobago Police
03:56Service and the South Central Division.
03:58Thank you very much, Marc.
04:00It's good to be here.
04:01So just give us a walkthrough of, you know, how the operations have been going down in
04:05your area in terms of, you know, demand power and some of the things that you have been
04:10able to find over the last 23 days.
04:13Yes.
04:14Well, based on, you know, of course, the yesterday started 23 days ago.
04:18The Central, Southern and Southwestern Division are no exceptions in terms of ramping up the
04:23operations.
04:24As a matter of fact, we, the Southern Division in particular, over 161 persons were arrested
04:33based on operations thus far.
04:36I think that's probably the most in all the divisions and so on.
04:39So we are continuing to use the state of emergency, the specifics of the emergency to our advantage
04:47to ensure that we get our upper hand as it relates to criminal activities.
04:52And so how has the response been like from the public in those areas in terms of assisting
04:58the police, giving them information that turns out to be, you know, very credible information
05:04that when you go to these locations, you are able to find what they say is supposedly hidden
05:10in these, on those compounds or in vehicles or wherever it might be.
05:14Yes.
05:15And again, you know, we want to continue to commend members of the public.
05:19They are assisting us tremendously.
05:22As a matter of fact, most of our information is based on the public seeing something and
05:26saying something and giving us that information.
05:28And I am happy to say that the majority, probably 95% of the information, we are getting hits.
05:35Right.
05:36All right.
05:37We're just going to let ACP Meister walk us through the state of emergency statistics
05:44based on police operations conducted over the last 23 days.
05:50All right.
05:51So now SUAE update number of operations, 1,262 operations throughout Trinidad and Tobago.
05:59Rule of target, targeted 1,218 priority offenders.
06:06Traffic searches conducted, 7,393.
06:10Traffic operations, 1,096.
06:14Total persons arrested, 968.
06:19Traffic offenses detected, 3,337.
06:24And thus far, we would have recovered 44 firearms and 1,191 assorted ammunition.
06:32As it relates to dangerous drugs seized, we have 133,801.15 grams of cannabis and 725.39 grams of cocaine thus far.
06:47Right.
06:48In your area, what would you say are some of the major fines over the last 23 days in the central and southern areas based on your information?
06:58Well, in our area, as I'm taking a look at my stats here.
07:03Yeah, go ahead.
07:05So overall, I'm using the combination because my area comprises our central division, southern and southwestern.
07:12Pretty big area.
07:13Well, yes.
07:14Well, half of the country, that is.
07:15Yes.
07:16So we would have conducted 271 operations combined.
07:21We have a total of 17 firearms that were seized out of the 44.
07:26And as it relates to assorted ammunition, 92 assorted ammunition, we would have conducted 1,859 searches.
07:36And we have over 279 traffic operations.
07:41Over 479 persons were arrested.
07:43And you said, if memory serves me right, there's 17 of the 44 firearms recovered to date.
07:50Those three combined divisions, yes.
07:51What was the caliber of firearms that you recovered?
07:54Was it mostly high-powered weapons of the 17 that you recall?
07:57Yes.
07:58We have a combination of what we call rifles, 5.56 rifles, submachine guns, and pistols.
08:05Those were the three main types of firearms.
08:08Right.
08:09And you're seeing increased use of the 5.56, 7.62?
08:14Yes, definitely.
08:15And that is a weapon of choice because you would have observed last year we had a number of double, triple, quadruple homicides.
08:23Because these, the capabilities of these types of firearms, when, you know, so in the past when we had a person using a pistol, so you get probably one shot, one kill, so to speak.
08:33Yes.
08:34Now that you're using these automatic firearms that have the capability of firing 30 rounds in one second.
08:40So with that kind of firepower you can cause tremendous damage if you fire it in a crowd.
08:47Wow.
08:48Alright, we're going to take a look at our headlines.
09:10This is some of the headlines within the last 24 hours.
09:32And I just wanted to point you back to one of the specific stories there.
09:37And you would have obviously read about it, about those young men who were shot and killed in the McLeod area.
09:42Yes.
09:43After, of course, as one of your relatives would have revealed in the newspapers today and, of course, yesterday, that, you know, these young men are in a rural area.
09:54And you have gangs migrating outward to these rural communities and you're finding a prevalence of them more and more over the last year, year and a half.
10:03And certainly, you know, these young men really refuse to be part of that gang.
10:08Yes.
10:09And definitely we are, you know, intelligence will tell us that because of this particular state of emergency we have prisons trying to go underground.
10:21So the preferred areas are those rural areas.
10:24So we have operations geared towards those particular areas, especially in the Far East.
10:29Even as far as down in my area in southwestern where prisons of criminal nature will go to those areas to hide out until so.
10:37But we have some operations in store for those.
10:41I mean, speaking specifically about your area, which is a pretty large area, have you seen, with concern, of course, that migration of priority offenders or gang members moving from the north or the east-west corridor and coming down into central, southwestern areas?
11:02Yes, definitely.
11:03As a matter of fact, southwestern has some operation yesterday, up to yesterday.
11:07And when we would have arrested those persons, we recognized that a number of those persons were from north Trinidad, from west Trinidad.
11:17So it is there.
11:19It's happening.
11:20They are moving around because we have to appreciate the fact that crime is very dynamic.
11:24All right?
11:25So you may have a particular crime taking place in this particular area.
11:31Before you can actually put a measure to take place here, it will happen somewhere else.
11:35So that's how we have to deal with the aspects of crime moving around in a dynamic manner.
11:40And obviously, too, there is that factor that these criminals, because they are not known in your area until, of course, there is some kind of operation, they tend to blend in easier rather than if they are in their area in the north or the east-west corridor before police can actually detect them.
11:57Yes, correct.
11:58And that is why we need the cooperation of members of the public.
12:01As they see something, say something, you know, you see somebody strange in your area.
12:05And those rural areas are very easy to pick up strange persons in the area.
12:09So we are asking members of the public, see something, say something, and we're going to operate.
12:13All right.
12:14So one of the things that, you know, we've been talking about over the last few months, of course, relates to school violence.
12:23And we saw a clip on social media a couple days ago, and I know you would have spoken about this particular clip involved a student at a school in the south as well as a teacher.
12:38And I think that a lot of people who saw the clip initially would have thought that perhaps it was something that began because of the teacher.
12:49And, of course, I know that you all are investigating the matter, and I don't want you to put the cat out of the bag.
12:56But just to give us a semblance of, if you can, in terms of preliminary-wise, what have you discovered in terms of this particular incident?
13:09First, I want to say that that kind of activity is totally unacceptable.
13:16And it's something that we have a zero tolerance in ATTPS as it relates to school violence.
13:22So I just want to get that out there to the public.
13:25But based on our preliminary findings, of course, we have to be fair in our investigation.
13:31We have to be impartial, so we are going to do all necessary investigations.
13:34But, you know, I want to say something.
13:36You know, it's like some school of thought, you'll hear the members of the public say, OK, a teacher should know better not to engage a student in that kind of activity.
13:47Yes.
13:48And then you have our next school of thought saying that a student has to be very disrespectful to get involved.
13:54I mean, in your days, my days, we never dreamt of engaging a member of the teachers.
14:01In a physical battle.
14:02In a physical battle.
14:03Yes.
14:04So we are looking at it very objectively.
14:06We know that we haven't gotten the entire story.
14:10But as we speak, I know today as a fact that the student involved was interviewed by officers from the Moruga Station.
14:18The teacher was interviewed.
14:20We received medicals.
14:22We also interviewed other students.
14:24Other students who would have been witnesses to that event.
14:27And once you put it together, before the week is through, we will be taking the necessary action.
14:34So I can say that as a fact.
14:36Let me ask you in a more general sense, of course.
14:39And I know you would have been meeting with tutor officials religiously over the last couple of months.
14:46Not just for the incident that occurred, unfortunate incident at St. Stephen's College, right?
14:51Right.
14:52But for other things that have been happening, especially in your area, what are some of the concerns that teachers have raised?
14:59Because it seems that that job has now become a very high-risk job in certain schools because of, you know, alleged behavior of some of the students there.
15:08And they're not able to control them in some measure.
15:11Yes.
15:12So some of the things that we are discovering, we have the members of the schools.
15:16They are actually trying to mimic gangs.
15:21So they are calling themselves different names as a subsidiary of the major gangs that we have outside.
15:26So you may hear a gang calling themselves, just to mimic, instead of saying six, they might say that we are the fives.
15:32Things like that.
15:33Yes.
15:34So we have those things taking place.
15:36And sometimes you will hear a principal say, well, okay, this is not happening inside the school.
15:41And they may be correct because what happens is that when school is over and the students leave the school, then they practice some of their gang activities.
15:50But they are still wearing the school uniform.
15:52So that is why a member of the public can say, okay, this school, there's a level of gang activity.
15:57But in the actual school itself, it may not have that situation taking place, as well as it may have.
16:02So those are some of the things that we are seeing taking place.
16:05Of course, a proactive measure that we would have instituted us, at least in South Central,
16:10we would have instituted and assigned what we call police liaison officers to these schools.
16:17So that's the go-to police officer that the principal will have access to.
16:21Okay, something is happening, okay.
16:23They work together with the deans, come together, develop programs, have initiatives to at least assist the young persons because the gangs are infiltrating these schools.
16:32I know, of course, there's a certain protocol that needs to be followed because when incidents do happen, the police just can't go to the school.
16:42In the incident that happened at St. Stephen's College, there's a protocol, the Ministry of Education gets involved, and so on and so forth.
16:49But that doesn't stop us from our investigation.
16:51No, no, no, I didn't say that.
16:53But I know there is a protocol at least you have to follow through the channels, guided, of course, with the Ministry of Education and so on.
17:00Of course, you all are inclined to ask questions and going there and so forth.
17:05But I know that the schools, in particular the principal, will have to follow a certain chain of command, write a report, send it to the officials at the ministry, and so on, as your investigation runs a bit parallel.
17:19Parallel, yes, of course.
17:20They will have their protocols, and we will have, once there's an investigation, we are guided by the rule of law, and we'll do our investigations accordingly.
17:28And how difficult has it been when you have incidents at schools to get the cooperation, not just of the school teachers and the principal, but even of the students, not just the ones that are involved in the incident, but perhaps the witnesses to this incident, most of them taking out their phones to film this event?
17:47Well, to be quite frank, we are strapped with something, even getting proper cooperation from the students and from the school officials.
17:56Because, you know, no school wants to be branded as a school that tolerates violence, have bullying, and that kind of thing.
18:04So there is a lot of hesitation at times, and sometimes we have to use different methods in order to get the information that we need.
18:13And of course, you know, the whole protocol with school children.
18:15So, for example, like if you have to interview a child, you know, of course, the parents ought to be present, a teacher, even a duty counselor as part of a legal representative.
18:25So there are a lot of grey areas that we need to deal with.
18:29But all in all, we are doing our best to try to keep the violence out of the schools.
18:35All right.
18:36We're going to take a short break, and we'll be back.
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21:01So, I just want to remind you of the numbers to call 623-1711, extensions 1996 and 1997.
21:11So I'm sure a lot of you have seen a particular video being circulated online over the last 24 hours,
21:20concerning some officers of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service, in which an officer is allegedly seen videotaping his other colleagues as one of them takes a statement from him.
21:38Of course, the title underneath the video is that he does not trust his colleagues. I don't know what might have transpired to fuel such a distrust.
21:47Of course, we would definitely like to take a look at it and then ask ACP Meister to dissect that for us.
22:18Constable, are you finished with making your report, sir?
22:34No, I'm asking.
22:36Right, so she's finished speaking. Are you finished making your report, sir?
22:41I'm asking you a question. Are you finished making your report, sir?
22:46I'm asking if you are finished making your report. Did you give the officer all your information?
22:53Right, so when the officer is finished, he will give you a receipt and you will be contacted for the necessary.
23:01I am telling all of you here that I could hold him accountable to myself for obstructing me from doing my work because he is recording me while I'm doing my work. That's an obstruction to me.
23:22Why is he maliciously recording me?
23:26You all know that he has no right to be recording any charges.
23:31Ask him to leave the charges.
23:34So, ACP Meister, there's definitely a lot of dynamics in that recording and I would like for you to kind of clarify, is it permissible for the officer to record one of his colleagues taking his statements because he feels a discomfort, a distrust?
23:52I don't know. Can you enlighten us?
23:55Well, you know, I want to be brutally honest and brutally blunt.
24:00Yes.
24:01You know, this kind of behavior by our officers is totally unacceptable. I want to say that. I want to get outside of that.
24:11It is something that, and that is why sometimes we lose that particular trust from members of the public because this is something internal.
24:20You have officers dealing with issues, but yet it is in the public domain.
24:27You know, I want to bring up the whole aspect of security of our stations.
24:31Now, inside of a police station is what we call a high security area.
24:40So, number one, that particular area, we're not supposed to videotape, videorecord those areas.
24:46We also remind members of the public that they ought not, they come into the station, they would be advised that they cannot record inside of a station for obvious reasons.
24:56We have prisoners. We have, I mean, I could go on with the amount of security issues that we have in the station.
25:03And now that we have police officers doing it, it's totally wrong.
25:08So, this ought not happen. There are different ways that we have in our regulations that police officers, if they are aggrieved of issues where there's a chain of command where you make your reports,
25:20and then we'll have an internal investigation and so on, so that we can deal with these issues.
25:26This was totally unacceptable and the wrong way all these officers went about this. So, I just want to get that out.
25:33Well, I'm sitting that you will be able to, or at least other senior officers will obviously have to find out first and foremost, which station this was at.
25:41And I guess we need a backstory because I don't know what would have prompted the officer to do what he did.
25:48And of course, his other colleagues were not pretty, they were not impressed by his behavior.
25:54And I would say, okay, we might say we want to know the backstory, but to me, it doesn't matter the backstory because those are officers, sworn officers, and those behavior ought not to be tolerated.
26:06As a matter of fact, you know, I could just go on record by saying that I wouldn't call this station in, but that's one of the stations in my zone.
26:15And I would have spoken to the senior superintendent on an internal investigation has been launched into the conduct of these officers as it relates to their conduct and behavior in a security zone.
26:29All right, great. So, at least I guess we'll get an update on that. We have a call on the line. Caller, good evening.
26:35Good evening to two eminent young men. Today, I want to deal directly with Mr. Meister.
26:43During the course of last year, it was in January, you promised that somebody who is well-qualified in firearms will be on the show.
26:57We are now one year after that. Mr. Meister, I have followed you over the years, so I know that you are a master in firearms and firearms-related issues.
27:11I want to ask you to please provide us with at least five things that you would like to see changed or made better in the firearms regulation rules or laws. Over to you.
27:30All right. He wants to hear five things. All right. So, I will go ahead and answer.
27:35Go ahead.
27:36No, no. One of the things that I know for sure that I wouldn't go through five things because we have other callers and so on, but one of the major things that I would like to see as it relates to firearms is, you know, continuous and regular training for police officers in terms of annual certifications and so on.
27:58So, we have some challenges in those areas. So, that is one of the main things we see because a firearm is a precision instrument that you need specialized training, which the officers get, but it must be something continuous.
28:10It's like going to the gym. You don't go into the gym, lift weights for one week, and then stop.
28:17Firearms, when you're dealing with firearms, is something that you need to be handling professionally at all times, which includes going on the range regularly. So, that's basically what I'll touch on as we move on. One of the major things.
28:31All right. So, I guess, well, I mean, I hope the caller is satisfied with your answer.
28:36If not, well, I could give him my number and I'll give him the rest of activities.
28:41All right. So, I mean, I don't know where the investigation is in terms of that particular firearms incident, you know, that we had a couple years ago under the former commission.
28:53I don't know if you can just kind of give us an update at all as what might have transpired as it is an ongoing investigation.
29:00Which one?
29:01In terms of the firearm unit that was issuing a license and so on to civilians. And I know that an investigation had started approximately more than a year ago.
29:12Right. Okay. Okay.
29:13Yeah.
29:14But that's something that we can't speak about because that is before the court. There's an injunction as it relates to any information coming out of that investigation. So, that's something we can't talk about.
29:26Okay. Well, I know that there was one particular one but I was just talking about the other one in general that I know that there were certain officers moved and so on and so forth.
29:36Right.
29:37Separate and apart from that particular one because I know there was some court legal stuff that came into being that prevented certain information to be being ventilated, of course, in the public.
29:50But I guess we'll just leave it at that.
29:52Yeah. That is a very tricky situation.
29:55Alright. So, just remember the numbers to call 623-1711. Extensions 1996 and 1997. We're going to take a short break and we'll be back.
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32:25Welcome back to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host Mark Bassant with ACP Wayne Meister of the South Central and Southwest Division of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
32:34We have a call on the line. Caller, good evening.
32:37Hi, good evening, Mr. Bassant, and good evening to the officer, Mr. Meister, with your two brief contributions.
32:45First, I want to say I'm pleasantly, really pleasantly surprised to see Officer Meister on the show.
32:51Because I was taking a look at another show over the weekend called Manhood, and I actually saw him on it.
32:57And I'm happy because somebody told us I had, you know, a show like Manhood, it touches on more the psychological, mental states of mind of persons.
33:08And, you know, some examples and topics were discussed on the show.
33:12So happy to see that.
33:14First, I want to say, you know, the trust and confidence that you all touched on, that's a major topic.
33:20And I think until police officers really make that connection with the law-abiding good citizens, the community, we will always have the situation where it's up and down, you know, X, Y, Z.
33:35And I appreciate that idea.
33:37Just as a regular citizen, I have no professional experience as an officer.
33:42But, you know, same way how persons apply online and they get dates and they come in to apply for certificates of good character.
33:49I think it's the same way that officers should have a drive to where the promoters on the television and newspapers and police officers apply online and they come in and they verify the search.
34:02So the police are stationed within the community, get a better idea of who is who within the community.
34:09That's one idea.
34:11And the reason why I was pleasantly surprised to see Mr. Weissel coming off of the manhood show is because, you know, ministries, the work of one ministry, I think he could agree, could impact the work of another ministry working harder.
34:26So the ministerial labor in terms of like providing proper job opportunities for persons is an issue.
34:33And I could attest to that being someone who came out of school with a qualification and has a difficult time being able to maintain an employment.
34:41That's a major issue.
34:45Okay.
34:46Well, Kola, thank you very much.
34:48And I must, you know, commend, well, I don't want to call the next station.
34:52Yes, of course.
34:53But you have been on here already.
34:55Yeah, yeah.
34:56And that program is really a fantastic program where men share some serious issues.
35:01And the topic at that time was why do men commit crimes?
35:04Right.
35:05And that was a very, very interesting topic.
35:07And, you know, if you get a chance, you know, get a link and tune into it.
35:11It was a fantastic program.
35:12It certainly is one of those things that, you know, you see a lot of young men caught up in gangs and, you know, gun-related violence and all these different things.
35:22And it's certainly a question to ask.
35:24And as I said, it also stems from, you know, the homes that they grew up in.
35:28Yeah, correct.
35:29You know, I spoke about environment.
35:30Yeah.
35:31And, you know, environment, not just physically, but your company, anything that could influence you in a negative or positive manner.
35:39So sometimes in this environment, X, Y, and Z, you will be X, Y, and Z.
35:44And then if you change environment, your mindset change and a lot of different things change.
35:48So that is one of the main contributors.
35:50All right.
35:51So we just want to take you to a brief feature concerning police and licensing officers in the Valencia District, an exercise that took place over the last couple of days.
36:04All right. Good day, everyone.
36:18Today we are working with the Valencia Police Force at the Rondabout.
36:22We came out today together with the Valencia Police to block out offences today, like defective tyres,
36:33track windshield, all who have tint exemptions.
36:37Right.
36:38Make sure that they have the proper thing.
36:42Make sure that they tint what the exemptions have on the certificate is what they have on their vehicle.
36:49So we'll be looking at that today and inspection together with the traffic wardens.
36:57We are here together with the traffic wardens as well.
37:03All right.
37:13We are doing a routine check together with the Valencia Police Force.
37:17Right.
37:18Right.
37:19Where is the documenter?
37:32What I'm doing here, I am checking his driver's license.
37:36He said he got some tickets.
37:37Right.
37:38So I'm checking to make sure that how much how much the merit points he has.
37:42So if you have more than 10 points, you reach the threshold of 10 to be disqualified.
37:51As you know, it's an emergency.
37:53I'm happy to see this happening.
37:55I'm happy to target the people that they're coming at.
37:57But at the same time, it's inconvenient to work with people.
38:00It's a little technical, but we had to face some inconvenience in order to move forward.
38:09Is this EP?
38:10Yes.
38:17What's the age of the vehicle?
38:1910 years.
38:2010 years.
38:2110 years.
38:22You know, when they put five years on there, they are supposed to pay a bonus.
38:26A bonus.
38:27You see?
38:28So you have to register.
38:30Right.
38:31So when you register, you need to know.
38:34I know.
38:41So there's a traffic violation for driving a vehicle on the road.
38:44Okay.
38:48But on the Sunway 7, that's, you know, from Manila Standard.
38:54So I'll give you a warning too, right?
38:56I'll give you a warning on your device.
38:58Okay.
38:59So always remember to keep your seatbelts on.
39:07They tell you anything about it here?
39:08No.
39:09What do they tell you?
39:10Take it off.
39:11Take it off?
39:12Right.
39:13They tell you to drive off and take it off when you reach home or take it off now?
39:17They tell you to drive off and take it off.
39:19They tell you to take it off now?
39:21Take it off now.
39:23Anyhow.
39:24There's supposed to be 6 inches.
39:26Right?
39:29They tell you that line has 6 inches.
39:31And this line?
39:33Right.
39:34Just the edge here on the middle of it.
39:37Right.
39:39So I can't tell you that line has 6 inches, right?
39:45So you can drive off and it's supposed to be 6 inches, right?
39:47Right.
39:48Right.
39:49And then they tell you to go off and take it off.
39:50And then if you go off and take it off, they give you a warning too.
39:54A warning?
39:55Yes.
39:56Okay.
39:57They give you a warning.
39:58And then you have to take it off.
40:00You got a ticket?
40:01You got a ticket just now?
40:02No.
40:03You got a ticket for seatbelts and for parking on the pavement.
40:05But that was you.
40:07He said I'm getting a warning.
40:09You get that warning every time?
40:11Did you check it?
40:13I thought so.
40:14Yeah?
40:15Let me check it for you, alright?
40:16So that's 20% on the back glass.
40:19And you're allotted 17% as you lose.
40:22It's going to be right?
40:23Right 3.1, alright?
40:26So here's the 3.1.
40:303.1 means the vehicle failed at the back.
40:33You're allowed 35%.
40:35And if you go down 3, you'll get 32, right?
40:40So the vehicle's saying 3.0.
40:41So this glass also failed.
40:43You're allowed 75% on the windshield.
40:46So that's 15% of 35%.
40:50So 75.4.
40:53You're going to lose the rest.
40:59Right, so we could talk about a lot of things there.
41:01But of course, one of the most important things is that
41:03a lot of these people, you see a lot of vehicles on the roadways
41:06that are unfit to be driving, especially with the tires.
41:09And you want to remind motorists
41:11that they're not only putting themselves at risk
41:14but also other motorists and pedestrians on the roadway.
41:17Yes, definitely.
41:18And you know, I want to say something, right?
41:20The public, they have this tendency
41:22when they see road traffic enforcement taking place.
41:27Right?
41:28Why don't you go and catch your criminals?
41:30But little do members of the public know
41:33that the majority of criminals who we catch,
41:38they're moving in vehicles.
41:40They're moving on the roads.
41:42Just recently, traffic branch stopped for tint enforcement.
41:46Yes.
41:47And look what we got.
41:48So those road traffic enforcement,
41:51even though it may appear to be an inconvenience
41:54to members of the public,
41:56there's a specific purpose
41:58because criminals don't walk with their firearms
42:02and their contraband in the open.
42:05They operate in vehicles.
42:07And simple traffic stops will cause us to detect those offenses.
42:12So I want to let members of the public know
42:14that this enforcement is very important.
42:17And of course, just before we go to the break,
42:19you also have to remember that
42:22if you don't have a tint exemption,
42:24you can't be tinting your vehicles
42:26that people cannot see inside.
42:28And of course, you have to go through the right protocols
42:30to do such.
42:31Go online, you have to give a reason.
42:33They will examine it and so on.
42:35And if they think it's a valid reason,
42:37they will allow you that tint exemption.
42:39All right?
42:40So we're going to take a short break and we'll be back.
42:42Stay with us.
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44:28Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
44:29I'm your host, Mark Bassan,
44:30joined today by ACP Wayne Meister
44:33of the Southwestern, Central, and Southern Division
44:36of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
44:38I think we have a call on the line.
44:40Caller, good evening.
44:43Good evening, caller.
45:09to do a psychometric test
45:11in the Arima area
45:13in the close proximity
45:15to the police credit union.
45:17And it is understood
45:20that every one of those candidates
45:23would have failed that assessment.
45:26In your opinion,
45:29is it feasible,
45:30or is it reasonable to suggest
45:32that all the candidates who end up there
45:34would have been unsuccessful?
45:38The information coming to us
45:39is that the service providers
45:43were not qualified enough
45:45to administer the tests.
45:47Each candidate also had to pay $2,200.
45:52No reimbursement to the candidates
45:55who would have failed.
45:57They had to call to find out
46:00what was the result of the assessment
46:03because the police service
46:04did not even contact the candidates
46:06to let them know what happened up there.
46:08Could you shed some light on that, please?
46:09I would like to hold on and respond to you.
46:12Okay, caller.
46:13Now, I'm aware of the polygraph issues
46:17that we have in our persons.
46:19Some persons weren't successful
46:21in the polygraph tests,
46:24but this is the first time
46:25I'm hearing of the psychometric issue.
46:28So that is something that I can look into,
46:31as it relates to that particular area
46:34that you mentioned, that you alluded to.
46:36So that's an area
46:37that I will have to get some more information on.
46:43Caller, you still there?
46:45All right, so caller's gone.
46:47That's news to me, too,
46:48because I mean,
46:49if the caller has more information
46:51and you would like to share with us,
46:53hopefully you'll leave his number
46:54with the producer
46:55and perhaps he and ACP Meister
46:57can have a longer conversation about that.
47:01Certainly, I did not know about that.
47:03I know that recently
47:04there was a story in the newspaper
47:06that spoke about sitting officers
47:08not passing the polygraph and so on,
47:11as a result of which
47:12they were not eligible to be part of the TTPS.
47:16Definitely.
47:17And I know that...
47:19Sorry, we have a call on hold.
47:21All right, we have another call on the line.
47:23Caller, good evening.
47:26Good evening, caller.
47:29Yes, caller, go ahead.
47:30Right, okay, sorry about that.
47:32Good afternoon, Mr. Bassant and ACP Mr. Meister.
47:37Okay.
47:38An issue that I am struggling to understand,
47:42the issue of the death of the bystander in Dibijan.
47:51I looked at a lot of videos on it,
47:55and to me,
47:58the house appeared to be sprayed with bullets.
48:03The question arises,
48:06are our policemen or the defense security
48:10adequately trained for shooting?
48:13That's one part of the training
48:15I suspect they have to go back to.
48:17The second issue is,
48:19this has to be basically investigated
48:25and given to the citizen
48:28a very, very critical response as to what has happened.
48:33Because I'm linking that back to the Tegu Martin issue,
48:37where the whole of the Western Division
48:40went for a warrant to execute a prisoner.
48:44There was a shootout.
48:46And the event showed that the police
48:50shot one of their own colleagues.
48:52I think you're aware of that.
48:54Immediately after that,
48:55the COP at that point in time,
48:58Mr. Jacob, went down in Tegu Martin,
49:00and he said,
49:01if they shoot one, they shoot all of us.
49:03So he was basically riling up the police service personnel
49:07to go after that person
49:09who had no part to play with the shooting
49:14of that colleague of yours.
49:18Now, I might be wrong.
49:20I'm not an expert.
49:21I'm not a lawyer.
49:22The new regulations in this SOE
49:26basically appear from my vantage
49:29to protect Iran security officers
49:33with respect to the regulation
49:35that you cannot challenge them
49:37for any issue based on this SOE.
49:41It was before 3.20 a.m.
49:43when a lot of issues arises
49:46that police charged,
49:48and a lot of things happened,
49:50and the state had to pay.
49:51Now, the state protected themselves
49:52by putting a regulation.
49:54Now, the state has to do something,
49:57and I can't do something
49:59to show me as a citizen
50:01they're doing the lawful things
50:04with respect to SOE.
50:06Have a nice evening,
50:07and I hope I'll hear a response from you.
50:10Right, so that's the last statement.
50:14So I want to put on record
50:16to members of the public,
50:18736-8877.
50:23That is a number
50:26where you can report
50:28any errant behavior
50:32or conduct by police officers
50:35during the state of emergency.
50:37So that is open to the members of the public.
50:40So it's not that there's a SOE
50:41and the police can operate
50:43how they want
50:45in any manner that is disrespectful to the public.
50:47There must still be a level of responsibility.
50:49Responsibility, respect,
50:50and that must be enforced.
50:53As it relates to the incident on the B-Terminal,
50:56again, we want to express our condolences,
50:58deepest condolences to the family,
51:00and we know that it is not an easy time.
51:03Our standing operating procedures will dictate
51:05that once there is a police-involved shooting,
51:09we have a first division officer
51:10that is assigned to investigate those matters,
51:13and that investigation will be done
51:15with the fullest of transparency.
51:17And at the end of the investigation,
51:20if there's evidence to suggest,
51:24then the police will operate.
51:26We are the only organization
51:27that prosecutes our own officers.
51:29So officers on the other side of the law,
51:32and if an investigation reveals certain things,
51:35they are charged and placed before the court
51:37based on findings.
51:39So I want to assure members of the public
51:41I want to assure members of the public
51:42that there will be a full investigation
51:47into this matter.
51:49And I just wanted to correct,
51:50I know the caller would have indicated
51:52about a specific matter that happened
51:54in the Dago-Martin area,
51:55and I recalled actually doing that story
51:58where I actually wrote about that particular incident
52:00after I found out what had actually transpired.
52:03And to be fair to Mr. Jacob, at that time,
52:05he perhaps did not know what really had transpired
52:09and would have said certain things, of course.
52:11And later it was learned that the fatal shot
52:14came from another officer.
52:16And of course, relevant action was taken
52:18in that respect as well.
52:20So we just wanted to clear that up, all right?
52:22We're going to take a short break,
52:23and we'll be back.
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54:38Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
54:39I'm your host, Mark Bassan,
54:40joined today by ACP Wayne Maisa
54:42of the Southern, Southwestern, and Central Division
54:44of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
54:46We have a call on the line.
54:47Caller, please keep it short.
54:48Go ahead.
54:50Yes, good afternoon to both of you gentlemen.
54:52Let me keep it short.
54:53Mr. Maisa, could you explain to the international public
54:56as it relates to threat promoters,
54:59the air promoters, reluctant to allow licensed fireman
55:02to enter their event?
55:05Fireman holders' events.
55:07That is a policy decision by the promoters
55:10and the organization.
55:12So that is just how it is.
55:15If you have a particular area
55:18and there are certain restrictions,
55:20then you have to abide by those restrictions.
55:22Right.
55:23So certainly, I mean, I guess if you are looking at
55:26when you're going to these gatherings
55:29and there are thousands of people in some instances
55:31and you have the alcohol and all these elements.
55:35Definitely.
55:36And we are not saying that persons who are licensed
55:39fireman holders are responsible by any means
55:41because, of course, you have to go through
55:43the psychometric testing and all these things
55:45before you are actually issued your firearm.
55:48But I think as ACP Maisa pointed out,
55:51it's important to obviously, you know,
55:54abide by those rules.
55:55Yeah.
55:56And you mentioned it.
55:57The nail on the head.
55:59So you have alcohol mixing.
56:01And we don't know what will be the capacity of a person
56:03and if something happens.
56:05So that is some of the precautions
56:07that those promoters are taking.
56:09And we have to abide by that.
56:11All right.
56:12So that's it for now.
56:14Remember, repeat tonight at 11.30.
56:18Oh, sorry.
56:19I thought we were cutting there, but yes.
56:23So I guess that is important as we go forward
56:27because I know there was an incident
56:29a couple weeks back.
56:31It was captured on social media
56:34where there was a gentleman with a licensed firearm
56:37inside of a bar.
56:40And apparently got into an altercation of some sort
56:44and he took out his firearm.
56:46He didn't point it, but he was just holding it.
56:49And he was pushed and he fell to the ground.
56:51Not just that.
56:52He lost his firearm.
56:53Yes.
56:54It was taken away from him also.
56:55Yes.
56:56So you see the kind of situation
56:57where we have alcohol mixing and so on.
56:58So, I mean, that is a preventative measure
57:02because you see not everybody in the possession of a firearm
57:07we believe that has that capacity.
57:10And it is proven time and time again.
57:12You are the holder of a firearm.
57:15You have to treat that firearm
57:16as if you are dealing with a newborn baby.
57:19Yes.
57:20You cannot just afford.
57:21You have to be paying attention.
57:22You can't, you know,
57:23persons leave their firearm in vehicles
57:25and they go to different events.
57:27They leave their firearm home unattended.
57:29So those are some of the things
57:30that we need to tighten up on
57:32as it relates to persons having a firearm user's license.
57:35And the proper protocol would be
57:37if you're going out to an event,
57:38I guess you lodge your firearm at the station.
57:40Correct.
57:41If you don't want to leave it at home
57:42and obviously not in your vehicle, yes?
57:43Yes, correct.
57:44And some events even have the facility where,
57:47so for example, let's say Independence Day Parade,
57:49we have a facility where persons can lodge their firearm
57:52with the police officers in a particular booth.
57:54So there are certain areas that facilitate those activities.
57:59All right.
58:00I think this time we're going to end.
58:02Repeat tonight at 11.30.
58:04Repeat tomorrow at 11 o'clock.
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