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02:50Welcome to Beyond the Tape.
03:06I'm your host, Mark Besant.
03:08Welcome Trinidad and Tobago and of course our viewers across the globe.
03:12It's Friday.
03:13It's about a week and a half away from Carnival, Carnival Monday and Tuesday, and of course
03:19a lot of things, a lot of things are happening this weekend into all of next week and the
03:24following weekend into the lead up to Carnival Monday and Tuesday.
03:28And it's day 54 of the state of emergency.
03:32And, you know, one of the things that, you know, what have occurred over the last few
03:36days was the judgment as it relates to Frank Cipresa's judgment when he quashed the results
03:43of the police examinations to promote inspectors.
03:48And following that, of course, Commissioner of Police Junior Benjamin, Acting Commissioner
03:54of Police Studies, held a meeting with police officers to decide a way forward.
03:59And in a media release, they said it's acknowledged as an unprecedented move by the Commissioner,
04:06Acting Commissioner of Police, President of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service Social
04:10Welfare Association, Gideon Dixon, praised the Acting Commissioner for holding an audience
04:16with their members.
04:18The officers, despite their disappointment, also expressed their appreciation for the
04:23show of concern and compassion.
04:26In addition to expressing how they felt, the meeting was an opportunity for Commissioner,
04:31Acting Commissioner Benjamin, to gather feedback from the affected officers in charting the
04:36way forward.
04:38So certainly I think our officers were very happy, despite the chagrin of not being promoted
04:45and the whole process found to be flawed by Justice Frank Cipresa, the Acting Commissioner
04:52decided to speak with these officers.
04:54Of course, some of them were looking forward to these promotions for quite a while, and
04:59now the process has to begin all over again.
05:04Now, another important thing is that we're in the midst of Carnival, of course, and one
05:09of the most important things during Carnival is that before you have a party, a FET of
05:15any nature, you must have compliance of not just the police, but of course, the fire services.
05:23So today, joining us is Acting Fire Station Officer, Mr. David Hunt, to give us a little
05:30bit of prelude and kind of fill us in on some of the things that I think FET promoters,
05:35and by extension, party goers need to know when they're going to FETs.
05:40Welcome, sir.
05:41Thank you for having me, and good afternoon to the viewing public.
05:45So, you run us through, I know sometimes there are certain things that might prevent a particular
05:51promoter from getting a license based on safety factors at a venue, and I know that that is
06:00very paramount when it comes to having an event, and I know the fire services are also
06:04part of that process of ensuring that the facility is safe, secure, and of course, enough
06:11exit, so if there's an emergency.
06:14Yes, to obtain a license to hold an event, you must be the holder of an existing liquor
06:22license, so what you are actually asking the license committee is to take your approval
06:27for your existing license and take it to another location for a specific time and for
06:31a specific occasion.
06:33Now, in the granting of your initial license, the fire service would have played a role
06:38by doing an inspection at your premises, identifying potential hazards, recommending mitigation
06:45measures, paying attention to your means of regress, etc.
06:49So the committee deemed it prudent to have that same responsibility transferred to the
06:56new location of your occasional license as would have been done with your existing general
07:00annual license, and that is the justification for the presence of fire officers at events
07:06that have occasional licenses.
07:08Now, for the fire service to be at your event, you go to court, you apply for your license,
07:14and then one of the applications comes to us, right?
07:16Officers at the fire prevention would reach out to you and request an interview.
07:21The purpose of the interview is to discuss your event, right?
07:25One of the things that is fundamentally important at that interview is a layout, and we always
07:30request persons who are familiar with the event to come at the event, and during that
07:37process, we will have a check form over time that will have identified common areas such
07:42as open flames, pyrotechnics, fireworks, the amount of things that you have, your exits,
07:48your means of regress.
07:50Do you have a pool?
07:51Do you have a bouncy castle?
07:53Is it a fume fit, a mud fit, a water fit?
07:56Do you have an ambulance?
07:57Do you have medics at your event?
07:59And from the responses to these type of questions, we determine what hazards are expected to
08:08be at your event, the level of recommended mitigation measures that we would recommend,
08:15that we may cite at your event to make sure that the event is safe.
08:20Have you had the, you know, like at times I know that potentially there are red flags
08:25that you will spot very late and are forced to, of course, you know, close an event down
08:32of some nature.
08:33What are some of these red flags?
08:34Right, so what happens is that for something to cause us to close an event, right, it has
08:40to be IDLH, immediately dangerous to life and health, right?
08:44We very rarely close events for a situation like this.
08:48The reason why is that part of the requirement is that fire officers and police officers
08:54be at your event one hour before the opening of the gates.
08:58The purpose of this time is to identify anything, any residual risk that may have been left
09:04after the initial interview and initial discussions and it is addressed at that time.
09:09However, the most common reasons for, I wouldn't say shutting down an event, but it prevented
09:15additional patrons from entering is overcrowding, right?
09:19And sometimes it could be overselling of tickets because sometimes motors will tell you that
09:27they sell a lot of the tickets the Friday and sometimes the night of the event and because
09:32they may not have control of all the particular outlets selling the tickets, it could become,
09:36you know, something beyond their scope.
09:39And as such, we don't close the event.
09:41Sorry, we don't shut down the event, but we close the event from additional patrons entering
09:46the event because once you're inside the event, you want to be safe.
09:50So the people who are outside who are upset, the people who are inside are happy.
09:54Right, well, we're certainly going to discuss these things in a little more detail.
09:59Alright, it's day 54 of the state of emergency and we want to bring you up to speed with
10:05some of those figures.
10:07So a number of operations conducted, 2,905.
10:11Priority offenders targeted, 2,245.
10:14Searches conducted, 19,619.
10:17Traffic operations, 2,572.
10:20Total persons arrested, 2,093.
10:23Traffic offenses detected, 10,234.
10:26101 firearms recovered thus far, 200, sorry, 2,674 ammunition recovered.
10:34And dangerous drugs seized thus far, 305,962 grams of cannabis and just over 2,000 grams of cocaine.
10:45So certainly the police, they're continuing their operations in and around Trinidad and Tobago.
10:52And I imagine, you know, that column there we see with firearms being recovered.
10:57Going up, you know, slowly but surely, but of course, you know, it would put citizens' minds at ease as we go forward.
11:06Alright, let's take a look now at our headlines.
11:27So those were some of the headlines within the last 24 hours.
11:46And of course, in those headlines there, you would have seen the story of a young Matthew Chancellor
11:54who was shot and killed a couple days ago in Tabakit.
11:58And we have some footage of his funeral that took place yesterday.
12:04Certainly a number of family and friends coming out there to pay their respects, a final farewell to Matthew Chancellor.
12:15Unfortunately shot and killed.
12:18He and his brother and some friends were at a nearby bar in that area.
12:23And some kind of altercation was triggered.
12:26They were not part of that altercation, of course, and they left.
12:30And on their way home, they were walking and they saw a car parked with some persons.
12:37A gunman came out of that vehicle and pointed his firearm in the direction of Matthew, his brother, and other friends.
12:47And they turned to run.
12:49Of course, Matthew was shot in the back.
12:52He was later found by his brother and others in nearby bushes with gunshot wounds taken to the hospital where he passed away.
13:03Certainly, you know, young life gone too soon.
13:08Some of his classmates there, I imagine from his school, also coming to pay their final respects.
13:15His family, his friends, his father, his mother, everyone there, the pastor who would have spoken so glowingly about Mr. Chancellor,
13:27who was due to be baptized a couple of days after he was shot.
13:35He was supposed to be baptized.
13:38The residents of this area have also been calling for the opening of the Brasov Police Station.
13:45And the Acting Commissioner of Police, one day after this incident, did indicate that the Brasov Police Station will be reopening come next week for the residents.
14:00Photo of Matthew Chancellor there.
14:04So yesterday we brought you, you know, some video of a rather, you know, an encarnage of an incident involving a gentleman there
14:14jumping onto the hood of a maxi taxi trying to evade two armed assailants.
14:21And of course, he eventually got away.
14:25But there was some new video surfacing of this particular person.
14:32That he was held by police officers sometime, I don't know if it was yesterday afternoon.
14:39But, you know, we've just been hearing that the individual might be accused of being involved in certain activities.
14:49And I don't know if in so doing he was caught in the act and detained by residents who later called in the police.
15:01So, yeah, pretty interesting there.
15:05All right. So, see, you never know.
15:09These people, you know, involved in certain things.
15:13And of course, he was the guy that we saw in the maxi taxi yesterday.
15:16Yes, breaking news.
15:17Now we're seeing him being detained by the police.
15:21In reference, we don't know exactly.
15:24But I suspect that he might have been involved in some kind of activities that the police are going to be looking into.
15:31Definitely.
15:32All right. We're going to take a short break.
15:34And when we get back, we'll have more.
15:35Stay with us.
15:40I could say definitely when I was younger, where I lived, it was worse.
15:44Because I have been, well, my family has been victims of break-ins and things like that.
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18:54Welcome back to Beyond the Tape I'm your host Mark Bossant,
18:57today with acting FSO David Hunt.
19:00And we're talking about carnival
19:03a fire perspective that you know they have to observe when there are events of
19:09various nature and I was asking him on the break about music trucks inside of
19:14particular events what's the remit on that when it comes to fire officials?
19:19So sometimes our promoters try to recreate the on the road juve type
19:26environment and within a closed environment they have music trucks
19:31operate. A common facility that's used for this is the National Stadium where
19:36the trucks will drive around the perimeter of the stadium itself. So just
19:41like any occasional event, fire officers would be dispatched to function at the
19:46event but before we do that again during the interview process we have
19:50discussions with the promoter and have certain requirements for the trucks.
19:54Obviously the generators on the trucks are bonding if they have any pyrotechnics
19:59on the truck there are certain requirements for that. The drivers must
20:03have his license and they must have an extinguisher on the truck. They must have
20:08the horn and the headlights and these things functioning and they must have
20:14security officers that are placed strategically around the perimeter of
20:19the truck especially within the areas of the wheels right and they have to be
20:24there for the entirety of the event. So what happens is that once fire officers
20:28arrive on the event they would meet with the promoter, he
20:32introduces you to the driver and the operator of the trucks. We have
20:35discussions with them, we check these things that we just spoke about and
20:38we have communication with the security officers. Nobody's to do this, nobody's
20:42to do that and but we do recite officers around the stadium itself and then we
20:49have a utility and an ambulance follow the patrons around. We also have officers
20:54at the entrance to make sure that you know the established capacity has been
20:58maintained. Now you're talking about pyrotechnics and so on, have you had
21:01instances in the past where you would find you know these truck drivers and so
21:06on having false documentation to subscribe to some of these things? So
21:13those are actually two different questions. So we have had situations
21:16where sometimes the truck may not have the appropriate license or the driver's
21:20permit might be expired but the pyrotechnics know before you are
21:26allowed to do that you must have permission to do that right and
21:29especially if they cannot divide the scope of pyrotechnics such as fireworks.
21:33If you want to discharge it in the city of Port of Spain you must first have the
21:36permission from the police officer in charge of the division. So it starts
21:40there. So once you come by us with an interview and in the interview process
21:43we say do you intend to have fireworks? They say yes. We say okay first engage the
21:48police. Once the police give you permission now then you come back to us
21:51and first you have to give us in writing what you intend to discharge right
21:56because different type of fireworks have different risks attached to them. Yes.
21:59Right and once that we have that information now we in most cases try to
22:04do a site visit beforehand, identify the location where the fireworks can be, make
22:09sure that there is an acceptable fallout radius right and then we have fire
22:13officers at the event to cover the fireworks specifically for the period of
22:17that duration. All right just remind you the number of numbers to call if you
22:21have any questions as it relates to any carnival events and fire safety 623 1711
22:27extensions 1996 and 1997. We're going to take you to a feature involving
22:33licensing and police officers in the Eastern Division a couple days ago.
22:47Good morning sir, how are you going? Again, I'm officer Francio Tachi, licensing
22:56department. You're just doing a routine check with the TTPS making sure you know the
22:59country is safe. I would have observed that your vehicle does not have an
23:03inspection. Could you tell me why?
23:08So you paid for it, was it done?
23:16Right so and this I'm letting you know licensing office would not issue the
23:23I would say the seal of the gate and the stickers and when you come to do the
23:27inspection and don't have any that doesn't add up. Do you have any proof that you did that?
23:32So how am I supposed to believe that you didn't really did that? Understood? Where we are
23:38going? I'm letting you know the licensing authority when it is the inspection base
23:42are doing inspection they give you the certificates and the stickers and yeah
23:47they would have it at all times. There's no such thing as they run out
23:52or they didn't run out of it. Understood? So I'm sorry to tell you but you would be
23:57charged for no inspection of your vehicle because the government of
24:01Kenya and Tobago gave this wonderful country enough time to do that.
24:06Understood?
24:16You are issued a fixed penalty notice for no inspection you have 30 days to
24:21pay it at any authorized post.
24:32All right no problem.
24:37So Sidney you know you know acting FSO Hunt you know you traverse the
24:44roads as much as I do and everybody else who are driving and so on and you would
24:48be seeing these operations happening you know a lot a number of them some people
24:53always say it's inconveniencing but I think it's important because when they're
24:58making checks on your vehicles not just to see violations of tins and so on but
25:02the road worthiness of these vehicles. And so sometimes but where we get caught
25:09a lot is after event heading home that happened to me a couple of nights ago
25:12they had an exercise so they tell us of way I need to go home early I need to go
25:17home quick because again you have to get back to work early and there are more events
25:21and more things to be done however you also want them to capture the those who
25:27are drinking under influence. Yes. Who can have a problem for you further down
25:31the road so it may cause a little disturbance to your activities but it's
25:37actually for your benefit. I guess I'd pretty much go along the same lines
25:42as when you go to a facility and you know you have FET promoters rushing here
25:48to do this and that but you have to also be meticulous. Take your time. When you go
25:52to a facility if it's to approve it for 10,000 persons you have to ensure you
25:58walk through the venue. Just give us an idea of that process and how it works
26:02and how long it might take you and a number of officers to do such. If it's a
26:05quite large venue let's say for instance an area like the Brian Lara car park
26:10where they're having a number of these parties for the carnival season and
26:14might let me say average 10,000 people that might be able to 12,000 persons. So
26:19what happens is that we would divide our team, our officers into teams. So
26:24some will cover the stage, some will cover the food court, some will cover the
26:29exit areas. If you have elevated structures we request a certification
26:33from the documents from the people who constructed it, the service
26:38providers. We check your electrical to make sure that the outdoor type
26:43scenario, outdoor type connections for safety. We check the food court to make
26:48sure that the connections for the LPG cylinders are in place. Sometimes they
26:54don't have the hose clip, sometimes the hose is brittle. So we try to make sure
26:58we address those problems. We make sure that there are flame guards around the
27:02part. We have discussions with the service providers. Do they have the
27:05extinguishers? We check the service date of the extinguishers to make sure
27:10it's of the right type and we also have a discussion with them to determine if
27:13they know how to use an extinguisher. Something we also make sure that there's
27:18no cooking under the tents. We also pay attention to the layout of the
27:23tent that if something happens inside the tent, the proprietary service
27:27provider can't get out of the tent. We check the stage, the stability of
27:32the stairway to go up the stage. A lot of times it's shaky like a shakshak.
27:35Sometimes we check the railings around the stage because it must have
27:42railings for stages at the average height of three feet or more. We also
27:46ensure that there is reflective tape to the front of the stage. So the standard
27:50that we follow allows that the front of the stage to be open and that obviously
27:53logically for performances. But there must be reflective tape so when a
27:58performer is engaging with the crowd he could still have a point of reference
28:01that can't go beyond this. If they have pyrotechnics set up, they have
28:06pyrotechnics such as jibs, cool sparks sometimes are sighted. We look at the
28:10locations and we make sure that it's appropriate. If you have fireworks set up
28:14outside, we look at the location, make sure it's appropriate, make sure it
28:18is cordon off for the fallout. Make sure the exits are appropriately sighted and
28:24they are not locked. If you have a water event, we check your
28:30installations and we speak to the hose man, the guy who's discharging
28:36water. We don't aim it directly at the patrons, we aim it in the air, let it fall like a
28:41rain because the jet of a hose can damage someone. We advise them that
28:45they can't be under the influence of alcohol while performing their duty.
28:49Among other things. Alright, thanks so much for that. I know a number of
28:54promoters might be calling me after the show. If you have questions, this is the
28:58man to obviously answer them. So remind of the numbers to call 623 1711
29:03extensions 1996 and 1997. We'll take your calls after this break. Stay with us.
29:12So because you have that lack of education and you don't have the
29:17resources to legally go and like purchase things, that definitely leads
29:22like to an increase in crime, specifically like theft.
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31:52Welcome to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host, Mark Bossan, joined today by acting FSO David Hunt.
32:12And you know, we promised you guys, you know, Beyond the Tape, voice of the people.
32:16So we took to the streets of the capital over the last few days to get your feedback about crime
32:22and things that you believe might assist the police in going forward in eradicating this country of some of the crime and criminal elements.
32:32I've never been a victim of crime in any way.
32:59No.
33:02How would you assess the crime situation in Trinidad and Tobago as we speak?
33:09I would say that it definitely ranges in terms of like communities.
33:15So I know where I am. Well, I live in Belmont.
33:18And so most when they hear that, they'll be like, oh, well, that's not really like a good area.
33:22But for me personally, I live in what would be considered like a good part of Belmont.
33:27So while I will know, I could say definitely when I was younger, where I lived, it was worse because like I have been,
33:34well, my family has been like victims of break-ins and things like that.
33:38But now in like recent times, I can't say that me or anyone in like my immediate vicinity experiences things like that.
33:46I could definitely say like further, like deeper into Belmont, like around Duval Road and St.
33:52Francois, crime has been definitely more noticeable.
33:57So while I could say because I haven't experienced anything recently.
34:02Oh, well, you know, crime is not bad.
34:04I could definitely see for other people living in more, I guess, crime prone areas that it could be like more intense.
34:13So I would say that it's definitely there, but it would affect everybody differently.
34:19Good answer. As a young woman, do you feel safe at your home, at work, climbing, conducting business when you move about?
34:29I feel safe at home, but like that's the most I could say.
34:34Even traveling, I feel a little uneasy almost every day because, you know,
34:40even if it's not anybody like coming out and like attacking you,
34:43you definitely deal with a lot of harassment on a daily basis and you kind of have to just block it out.
34:50So in terms of like if I wanted to climb or like hang out with my friends who are also women,
34:55we wouldn't really feel comfortable doing that.
34:58And like our parents, like even though like we're adults, obviously,
35:01but just knowing that the sun is down and we're outside, it makes everybody very uneasy.
35:08So I don't really, I wouldn't say I feel comfortable like being outside.
35:13I feel comfortable at work because, well, it's work and there's security there.
35:16But even with customers, a lot of them, men specifically, they could be very inappropriate.
35:22And, you know, you have to still maintain that level of professionalism while also making sure to safeguard yourself.
35:30And sometimes I could feel it's like you're choosing between making the sale and maintaining your comfort as a person.
35:39So, no, I wouldn't say I feel especially comfortable.
35:43So you spoke about safeguarding yourself and so on.
35:46What are some of the things that you do to safeguard yourself in terms of when you move around?
35:51I guess the most, I will admit that I'm not really the best at it.
35:57I still try to, to some extent, like maintain the peace when dealing with like unwanted advances.
36:04But something that I would say that I would do is really just not pay them like any mind,
36:09like anybody coming and like harassing you or like trying to like get your attention.
36:14You really just like focus on like where you have to go and you just like block everything out.
36:18But even that sometimes could like, I guess you could get like an aggressive response because you're not giving the person, you know, your attention.
36:26So for me, I just try to like maintain where I'm going and not like not stop for anybody, not speak to anybody,
36:35like not just make sure I'm going exactly where I'm going.
36:39I do give like my location to like my family or like my friends so that they know where I am if I'm going somewhere new.
36:45So that would be like the ways that I safeguard myself.
36:49Do you think there's a connection between crime and poverty?
36:55Yes, definitely.
36:57I would say, well, even though like you didn't say this, I would say it's like a mixture of like poverty and a lack of education as well.
37:05So poverty would like directly lead to the lack of education because, you know,
37:11that's not really a focus when you don't have food on the table.
37:15You know, you're not really thinking of going to school and getting an education.
37:18You're more thinking of how can I take care of myself right now?
37:21So because you have that lack of education and you don't have the resources to legally go and like purchase things,
37:30that definitely leads to an increase in crime, specifically like theft.
37:35So people, it's kind of like, yes, it's crime in that way.
37:40But also people are just trying to like put food on the table, you know,
37:44and they don't really have any other means of like going out and doing that.
37:49So, yeah, I would say not in every case, but definitely people who have less are more likely to fall into crime mode.
38:02Voice of the people there, one of the very few young persons that actually took the time to speak with us.
38:08I know most, you know, a lot more older persons have spoke, but this young lady was very articulate
38:14and she was very smart and knows what she's speaking about when she answers these questions.
38:20I was very, very impressed with her response.
38:23It was well thought out and as you said, well articulated. I'm very impressed.
38:27Yeah. And, you know, it's important that you have young persons that are so articulate also get involved in making our communities better
38:37and standing up and being cognizant of what is happening.
38:41Because they are the future leaders of tomorrow.
38:44Definitely.
38:45And we want persons like her and others, you know, to come forward and articulate your concerns, you know, give suggestions and ideas.
38:54And that is what Voice of the People is all about.
38:57Giving them that say, you know, it's something that their suggestion, opinion might be heard by somebody in authority.
39:04Somebody who can make decisions.
39:05In the government who can make decisions.
39:07And say, you know what, this is a really good idea that this citizen, and I spoke to a number of people and they would say,
39:13one gentleman told me he doesn't think that his voice has any meaning.
39:18I said, why would he even think that?
39:20You know, I'm sure you have children as well.
39:23I have an 18 year old son.
39:24Right. And I'm sure he's very passionate about certain things.
39:27Very passionate.
39:28When you talk about certain things, I'm sure he has his own perspective on it.
39:31He does. He does.
39:32And I think I was speaking to my sister recently and growing up in our era and growing up in their era, it's such a vast difference because they are accustomed to everything real time.
39:46Right. You have movies, you have you have skyboxes, everything, deliveries, everything where we understood time and the process of waiting and development.
39:57So having to deal with them and react to them in their era when ours was so different, it's sometimes a little difficult to bridge.
40:06But we have to sometimes understand that they didn't grow up in our time.
40:09So they are going to be different and we have to be a little more understanding and tolerant for them.
40:15Right. So certainly as we continue the voice of the people, we hope that other young persons will take a page out of this young lady's book.
40:23And the future is wherever we are, wherever and whatever time we may be in whichever area.
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42:42Welcome back to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host Mark Bassant joined today by acting FSO David Hunt.
42:54I do believe you have a call on the line caller. Good evening.
42:57Good evening, Mark. And good evening to your host.
43:02Good afternoon, sir.
43:04So I want to thank you for what you presented.
43:08I only just tuned in and I realized that you might have a lot of hazards and these checks and balances that you fire officers,
43:18which is so important, especially when we gather at major events and so on.
43:23And I want to thank you and your organization for sharing that vital and good information.
43:31I wanted to touch, however, on the young lady that you think without focusing,
43:37because sometimes when you make points that may not align with a person, they feel targeted.
43:42So it's nothing to target.
43:44But I'm just wondering if we could try a different approach to the line of crime,
43:49meaning could we introduce two things back into the society and into people's lives, two things and two males.
43:57God, if we believe men, God is a man and men in the household.
44:03As Mr. Fire Officer said, FSO said just now, the value of patience and being patient is lost.
44:11We want everything instantly.
44:13And I'm thinking that these young fellows who may not have the skill to get that up,
44:18to be able to work and own certain things now,
44:23I think that is the reason why it is we might have this escalation of crime
44:27where persons want this instant gratification, that big gold chain.
44:30He do understand that that 35-year-old man worked 15 years to be able to put things aside
44:37and then even pay down on this gold chain.
44:39So he wanted it now.
44:43You understand what I'm saying?
44:44And God is in people's hearts.
44:46We have removed that spiritual base and that moral base where it was nothing to see somebody with something
44:55and want to have it too.
44:56No, that is not for me.
44:57I don't need that.
44:58I have my family.
45:00I have my father in the household.
45:02I have my mother in the household.
45:04Family.
45:05You understand what I'm saying, Mark?
45:07So I think if we introduce those two things into the society again, that God element,
45:13and put men back into the household.
45:16Men have been driven away from the household and all kind of excuses we make,
45:19but we see good men on a daily basis.
45:22I'm watching two great men on the television today, and I'm sure great fathers and great mentors,
45:29and that is what is in the majority.
45:32But we focus on the few young guys and older guys who play me fool and say,
45:36No, we are protected.
45:38We are put back into the household to put that discipline back into children and young men especially.
45:44I think that that would reduce the crime because of that discipline that men, for the most part, bring to the table.
45:51And of course, God, so we have that reverence of what is right and wrong.
45:55Great program as usual.
45:57I hope my contribution was received without targeting the young lady.
46:05Fantastic response.
46:07Any comments?
46:08Yeah, it's a great response.
46:10Well, I can't tell you, Cole.
46:12I really want to tell you thanks for your opinions, your suggestions,
46:16and if you continue to listen to The Voice of the People,
46:19a number of persons did speak about having men in the households,
46:23and of course, the divine intervention of God and so on, of course.
46:27And this is just one of many persons that we would have spoken to over the last couple of hours.
46:32So in the coming days, of course, you will see that reflected in our interviews.
46:37So rest assured that your points are taken,
46:41and I'm certain that you will hear from persons who obviously speak about that facet of having just one parent in the household,
46:50and it really makes a…
46:53Especially with boys.
46:55A father is very important in the presence of boys.
47:00Part of my function is lecturing and doing research.
47:04They say people learn mostly by, especially children, they learn by a process called modeling.
47:10And you could tell them what to do,
47:15but they more reflect or they absorb more on what they see you do.
47:20So again, I have my 18-year-old, and even the younger one, the 10-year-old,
47:25if you want to see all your bad habits, take a look at them silently.
47:29All you think is, you know, it's weird, but I really do that, you know.
47:32So they look at you and they take pattern off of you.
47:36And so, do the right thing.
47:39Definitely. We have another call on the line.
47:41Caller, good evening.
47:43Yes, good afternoon, Mr. Bassant, the fire officer.
47:48It's nice to see that we have an officer on the program this afternoon.
47:53To God be the glory, this program this evening.
47:56Firstly, I must start with, if Christ is not in our vessel,
48:01which means the house or the home, there is no foundation.
48:06There are parents who are going to guide their children.
48:10They say, go out the child in the way that he should go.
48:13So if he do the path, that training will bring him back to where he belongs.
48:18Now, we go to school.
48:23We did not develop in one day.
48:26Even the child with the fetus didn't develop and come forth and born in nine months.
48:33Everything takes time.
48:35We need to understand the things.
48:38We have to try and avoid the things that we consume, which means we want the material things.
48:44We don't have no need, but we want.
48:46And this is where the problem today.
48:48This is the problem today.
48:50We want.
48:51I want this now.
48:52I want this now.
48:53I want that.
48:54I want that.
48:55We don't want to sweat.
48:56By thy sweat thou shalt eat bread.
48:58We need to sweat in order to achieve.
49:02Somebody going on work, you waiting for them to rub them.
49:06There is a God.
49:08And if parents get the children together, praise together,
49:14the family that praise together stays together.
49:18If you have father and son in the house smoking,
49:22you have alcohol in the fridge and you say,
49:25I don't want to see you drinking,
49:27but every time the son or the daughter go in the fridge, they see the alcohol.
49:30No example.
49:32So discipline starts from home to the school.
49:36And if there is no discipline in the home, there is none in the school.
49:40And this is where all the breakdown comes from.
49:45The fire officer will know about discipline because the training of itself.
49:51And if you need to have regular checks,
49:56first we start with the parents.
49:58They know the problem is.
50:00The children, 15, 12 and 14 and 15 children,
50:04parents can't speak to them anymore.
50:07The problem in the school.
50:09We need to get back to that and bring them the causes.
50:12When it's going up, bring up a child.
50:21All right.
50:22Thanks so much.
50:23And as a parent, of course, father, you talked about your children.
50:26And of course, it's important that you teach your children the right values.
50:32And as you see, some people want things quick.
50:35They see the best clothes or the shoes, so they want fast money.
50:39That's why they gravitate towards that kind of life.
50:42And as well, because of the absence of a father figure in most households.
50:47At times, sometimes a mother.
50:49Consistently, yeah.
50:50But it certainly is something that we have to continue to talk to our children.
50:54And not just let them get involved in the social media and all these things.
50:58Because then you become an introvert.
51:00And then you kind of like sideline your own thoughts.
51:03And you get into your own zone.
51:06So, persons helping to interact and uplift you.
51:09My sister always said parenting is active.
51:11It's constant.
51:13Every day, every day, every day, every day.
51:16I could remember as an adult, married already.
51:20And I was leaving to go on the road.
51:22And my father called me back because I was living next to my father.
51:25He said, you didn't comb your hair.
51:26Go inside and comb your hair.
51:28My then wife laughed at me.
51:29She said, you're buff.
51:30But I went inside and I combed my hair because that's my father.
51:33And that active parenting, it doesn't die regardless of your age.
51:37Because it's done out of love.
51:39And it's going to be constant.
51:41And it has to be constant for change to take place.
51:43Well said, sir.
51:45All right, we're going to take a short break.
51:47And we'll be back after this.
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53:32Alright, welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
53:33I'm your host, Mark Bessant.
53:34Joined today by acting ever so David Hunt.
53:38And, you know, last night, the amphitheater came alive in St. James with the whole mass tradition.
53:46Acting Sergeant Chabuddy and his friends had some activities down there.
53:53Whole mass here in full swing at the amphitheater.
53:58Of course, the admission was free.
54:00And you're seeing some old Indian mass there.
54:04Quite colourful in nature.
54:12The classic Mokko drumbeats.
54:33Right.
55:03It brought back some memories there for you.
55:05I see you dancing and singing.
55:07But I don't know, you probably had five officers at that event?
55:10Yes, we had officers at that event.
55:11How many you had?
55:13I can't see off the top of my head, but probably a sergeant and probably six officers.
55:17Right.
55:18Is there a difference in terms of when you have an event like this, it's not an enclosed area.
55:25And then you have events in an enclosed area.
55:27What is the numbers that you would usually have to have?
55:30Depending on the magnitude, of course, of the event.
55:32Let's say it's not enclosed in this event.
55:37So, if we have to deal with an event that is not controlled by a barrier, not isolated,
55:43we focus on the hazards at the event and we have officers sighted to mitigate the hazards.
55:49Now, what a barrier does, it creates an additional hazard of overcrowding and confinement.
55:57And the control for that would be exits and emergency exits.
56:00Now, if we don't have that, then at any emergency, people are free to go in whatever direction is safe.
56:07If for some reason it's close to a roadway, then we'll have officers at that site to channel people away from the roadway if an emergency happens.
56:16But in that case, we pay attention to the stage, we pay attention to the food court, we pay attention to elevated structures.
56:22Okay, so it's certainly a difference there.
56:25It's a different dynamic.
56:26Any numbers? I guess if it's a bigger area that is unsecured, you'll have to have more?
56:32A factor that would create additional officers would be subdividing your event into VVIP, VIP, etc.
56:41Because then you have multiple gates, multiple food courts, and then we'll have to put multiple medics in each section.
56:47Because if one is in general and you call for an emergency in VIP, he will not be able to travel from general to VIP easily.
56:54So that would add to the strength.
56:56You'd probably have to have satellite strengths for each one, and it would add to a bigger number totally.
57:01If you have pyrotechnics and fireworks, that would add to the strength.
57:04Okay, so certainly you're all going to have your hands full with this week coming.
57:09Yes.
57:10The number of activities.
57:11I was actually checking on island tickets.
57:14There are 24 events, if memory serves me right, on a Sunday.
57:17This Sunday, that's a lot.
57:20Big events also. Some events are the big events.
57:23You'll have the Fatima, you'll have the different Caribbean people event, then you have Marshall next week, and then next week is the Carnival week.
57:31So all these big events are going to be up and running.
57:35Well, I surely wish you luck, and we are thankful for the service that you all provide.
57:42Year-round, but as well at these events where it is important that we observe the safety regulations so that we can party and fit in safely.
57:55So please, be safe on the roads wherever you're going this weekend.
57:59Please remember, don't drink and drive.
58:02We run tonight at 11.30, no rerun tomorrow.
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