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00:00You pay closer attention to this than I did. I apologize.
00:06We're being accused of having a coronation for Deshaun Watson?
00:09Yeah.
00:10Cannot believe the reaction to all the clips that were out yesterday on social media.
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00:21Really early.
00:24What are the reactions to...
00:26Now, Reese.
00:29It was so...
00:31I almost called him Breece.
00:32Reese puts out the clips now.
00:33Yes.
00:34Fine young man.
00:36Used to be Keith.
00:38Well, Keith was the interim.
00:41Now, Reese is putting out the clips.
00:43Reese put out a clip and...
00:45Well, he put out a bunch of clips.
00:46Yeah, well, yeah.
00:47I mean, that's his whole thing.
00:49It's a clip-heavy job.
00:51Yeah.
00:52Fine young man.
00:52Where he has to turn what we do into...
00:56Magic.
00:57Yes, into these clips that provoke, that get the people talking, Ken.
01:01And apparently, you said that a lot of the clips, I know it was this way with Keith, tend to
01:07be pretty heavy-handedly negative.
01:09To make us look bad so that people go after us.
01:11And it's not just our show.
01:12It's all the shows.
01:13Okay, well, at least it's equal opportunity.
01:15See, I didn't know.
01:15So, because I told you I got so frustrated with the Jerry Judy thing that I blocked the station on
01:22social media.
01:23And then I had to unblock them because I didn't know the media day.
01:28Or I forgot the media day was going on with the Cavs yesterday.
01:30I went, oh, I got to unblock them.
01:32So, here we are.
01:33So, let me ask you this, Tone.
01:40Your initial thoughts on the reaction to our reaction is what?
01:44That I thought every step of the way yesterday, we were pretty fair and said, yeah, Watson was really bad
01:53for most of three quarters.
01:55Also, the offensive line was really bad.
01:57So, you know, the same stuff we were saying about whoever was quarterbacking last year, whether it was Joe Flacco,
02:02Dylan Gabriel, or Shador Sanders.
02:04Line struggled.
02:05Wasn't easy.
02:06We have better receivers this year, it would seem, right?
02:09Yeah.
02:09We have better targets this year.
02:11But the quarterback play was not good on Sunday until Deshaun Watson made some magic.
02:19Yeah, they had some short fields where they were able to put 10 points on the board in the first
02:24half.
02:24One of the drives, it was run, run, run, run, run, creative runs, because we can't just run the football
02:29right now.
02:29We can't just turn around and hand the football off.
02:32But they were able to creatively get the ball down, and then Deshaun Watson had a nice play with Fannin.
02:39And then we had to wait all that time until the fourth quarter to be able to show some semblance
02:47of a passing game.
02:48But most of it was with Deshaun Watson scrambling around.
02:51All right.
02:52Off script.
02:53And making things happen.
02:54Yeah, well, we said all that.
02:55We said all that.
02:56We said all that the entirety of the four-hour show.
02:59But the reaction all day that even waking up to today, you guys thought that was good quarterback play?
03:06No, and that's what we said all day.
03:08We did not think it was good.
03:10He had 67 yards through three quarters.
03:11Yeah.
03:12I said that numerous times.
03:13Also, there's been a lot of bad quarterback play around the NFL.
03:16So, I guess if you compare Deshaun Watson to his peers, most of the numbers I saw through three games
03:23have him anywhere from 15 to 24.
03:27Okay.
03:28That's not horrible.
03:30Well, 24 is not good.
03:32That last year, 15 to 24 would have got us in the playoffs, possibly.
03:36Yeah.
03:37Yeah.
03:37Probably gives you not much chance in the playoffs.
03:39No.
03:40But that gives you a chance to make the playoffs.
03:42So, is there – well, see, this is what's different is I think, again, you win games, they tend to
03:48get – you tend to give the quarterback a chance.
03:51And I think that that's what a lot of people are saying.
03:53I don't know if anybody was setting the world on fire.
03:55Now, yeah, he did play – it seemed that he did play much better in game two than he did
04:00game three.
04:01Game two was as accurate as I've seen him as a Brown.
04:03Yes, but on Sunday against Carolina – like, if I've got to go over the notes again, I'll go over
04:10the notes again.
04:11But, again, when you had 67 yards passing – like, I – and I've got to tell you, it wasn't
04:15like I thought he was fixed.
04:15I was just happy he wasn't turning the ball over because he's had bad turnovers before and was getting booed,
04:20and he wasn't getting booed on Sunday because they were winning, and then things they started losing, people started booing,
04:27the offense wasn't really going, but then they were able to pick it back up.
04:30All those things are true, but it doesn't coronate him.
04:34I mean, a coronation means we're done looking at other quarterbacks.
04:37We're done talking about the future.
04:39We're done talking about backups.
04:41We're just done.
04:42That is not – what we did yesterday, and I don't think any show on this station did, was not
04:47a coronation.
04:48It was a, hey, he played well.
04:51In fact, hell, I – did I or did I not stop the conversation all throughout the morning where people
04:55were calling and going,
04:56well, what do we do with it?
04:57And I'm like, well, hold on.
04:58We're two and one right now.
05:01Like, that conversation is a November-December conversation, not a September 29th conversation.
05:08That's not what it is.
05:09Yeah, it didn't even make sense to me that that was even being brought up,
05:13and we had callers that would start their call with, what does this mean for next year?
05:16I'm like, how about we focus on the Thursday night game?
05:19We don't even have to wait a full week.
05:21We have a game in a few days.
05:22Why are we not talking about that?
05:24And so that's – we steer the conversation sometimes because callers have a lot of different things that they want
05:30to get off their chest.
05:31But yesterday, it felt like on the scale of 1 to 1,000, worrying about who the quarterback is next
05:39year didn't seem to me to be something that would come to the forefront yesterday.
05:43By the way, it's my wife's birthday today.
05:44Oh, there you go.
05:45I said September 29th, and I went.
05:46I knew this morning, and then I was writing stuff down and forgot.
05:50Now, I would put that ahead on a scale of 1 to 1,000, way ahead of who the quarterback
05:55is next year.
05:55But you guys don't exchange gifts ever.
05:57Actually, I did.
05:58I got her a mug.
06:00But I got it early.
06:02I was looking around.
06:03I was goofing around on the internet.
06:05No, no, no, no, no, no.
06:06It came –
06:08Christmas came early.
06:09Last Wednesday, last Thursday, last Wednesday, somewhere in there.
06:12Those are all days of the week.
06:14Yeah.
06:14Yeah, it did.
06:15And it was like a Disney mug.
06:17And I go, here is a mug.
06:20And I had it sent to the home.
06:21Well, she found it out after.
06:23She said she would like that mug.
06:24She's like, I know I don't ask for gifts, but here's this mug.
06:27And I'm going, hey, I already thought of that mug.
06:29How about that?
06:30And so I got her a mug.
06:32It was great.
06:33It was great.
06:34What's the matter?
06:35What are you laughing about?
06:36What are you laughing about?
06:38She said she wanted a mug.
06:40I couldn't believe I got it right.
06:42What?
06:43I'm proud of you.
06:45Yeah, sounds like you handled your business.
06:46Thank you very much.
06:47I did.
06:48You're really growing up, Ken.
06:49I did.
06:50Like, Ken has gotten more –
06:53if you were to add the monetary value of all the Iowa State and Penn State gear
06:58that Ken has received over the years and then all the high schools,
07:01compare that to the gifts that have not been exchanged.
07:05One mug.
07:07Um, no.
07:10No what?
07:11I don't know.
07:12I don't know.
07:13I just decided to say no.
07:14But anyway, it was –
07:16Words.
07:16Mouth.
07:17It was very, to me, very silly, the kind of conversations that were being had.
07:23Like, well, I don't know.
07:25Do we have to say out of the corner of our mouth every time?
07:28Like, Watson was huge in the fourth quarter to help them win games.
07:32Remember, on Sunday there were 12 one-score games in the NFL.
07:36This league, we may not realize it because we're just losers every year.
07:41We've lost so much.
07:43We don't realize that bad teams win every week in the NFL.
07:46We just tend to not be those teams.
07:49Well, usually it's one bad team that wins every week in the NFL,
07:52and every now and then it lands on you that you're the team that wins in the NFL.
07:56I didn't see the comments.
07:59I – again, I just – I thought we were fair.
08:02And I wanted to put a stop to – because there were a lot of people calling in,
08:07and there were kind of people kind of panicked.
08:09Like, they – there are definitely people who subscribe, and I don't blame them for it,
08:14that this season is about next year.
08:16And it could still fall that way with the quarterback conversation.
08:21And so their whole thing – and they don't like Deshaun Watson.
08:24So their whole point of it is, is we don't want to be fooled.
08:28Don't let Jimmy be fooled into signing him into some big deal.
08:33Don't let this happen.
08:34Don't be fooled again.
08:35Can't we talk about that, I don't know, four months from now?
08:39Why is that a conversation today?
08:40Because they don't want the conversation to percolate and start.
08:43They do not want any seed.
08:44Like, what you are going to see is, again, there will be a bunch of conversation
08:50about why they won in spite of him, why he wasn't the main cog in the reason for winning.
08:57Like, this is a conversation – if they keep winning games, they've won two in a row,
09:01they will absolutely have a chance to beat Pittsburgh on Thursday.
09:04So if they keep winning games, that conversation is going to continue, Anthony.
09:07And I think you've just got to be ready for it.
09:10That's fine, and I will just –
09:11I'm going to try to stop it as much as I can, but –
09:13Hey, if that's a fun conversation for you at home, would be weird.
09:18If you hate Deshaun Watson, why are you wanting to have that conversation at all?
09:20Like, I would just enjoy the games or just go follow another team.
09:24But I will tell you this, all the consternation, all the hatred of him,
09:29how much of a villain he is, how bad when he would get up in front of the microphone
09:32growing up until this week, how bad he played in the second half of the Buffalo game,
09:36how bad he's played for four years.
09:38I'll tell you, it didn't take much to get 64,000 fans cheering him.
09:44Didn't take much.
09:45I know.
09:46Like, it is pretty amazing how low the bar was.
09:48Well, winning a football game, yeah.
09:49All he had to do, all he had to do was put together a drive and like a half a
09:53drive.
09:54And that was it.
09:55So if that was it –
10:03If that is all it takes to get that reaction,
10:06then maybe these people didn't hate Deshaun Watson as much as they said they did.
10:12Maybe they didn't.
10:13But what percentage of those fans were mad that Deshaun Watson won the starting job?
10:21Well, I'd say a good 50%, 60%.
10:23I mean, I thought it was 90%.
10:25I don't think it was anywhere near.
10:26Oh, well, you've got to bump the numbers up.
10:27Yes.
10:28Oh, yeah.
10:28Yes.
10:28Turn those machines back on.
10:30Now, I did see a smattering when they showed –
10:33now, someone would have to say who was at the game,
10:35but on TV, I saw a smattering of four jerseys.
10:40I was shocked to even see a smattering.
10:43But to hear that, no, the day after he won the competition,
10:47it was all negativity, not just calls,
10:50because that's not indicative of the population as a whole.
10:54But everybody I talked to, nobody wanted to see him.
10:57Everybody thought it was a waste of time.
10:58But that's all it took to get that reaction was about a drive and a half.
11:03I understand.
11:03So maybe those fans didn't hate Deshaun Watson as much as they were leading on.
11:07Maybe they didn't.
11:08Or it's just that easy to win them over.
11:09Maybe it was – well, I think winning is a way to win anybody over.
11:12You're looking for anybody that can help you win in a year
11:15that people don't think you're going to win.
11:17So, yeah, like you're going to a game – like it's not that hard, guys.
11:20You get a couple of beers in, you go into a football game,
11:23you don't think you're really going to win.
11:25And then you start winning the game, and, yeah,
11:27you're going to start chanting things because you're supporting your football team.
11:30Like, guys, we don't need to turn this into some existential crisis
11:34every single time they do well and fans cheer.
11:38Like, we don't need to do that.
11:40Owen's looking at me like, yeah, Kenny, you say that now.
11:42Okay, but fine.
11:43I just think this is stupid.
11:45This is getting really ridiculous.
11:48Are you going to boo or are you going to cheer?
11:50Are you going to boo or are you going to cheer?
11:51Well, what's it mean if you cheer?
11:52Are you a bad person if you cheer?
11:54I don't know.
11:54Look at the cavalcaded teams that have had a problematic person play for their team,
12:01and they all cheered.
12:02They all cheered.
12:04They all cheered.
12:05All of them.
12:06Every single one.
12:07All 32 teams have had a guy who has had a checkered past, problematic past,
12:13questionable past, an alleged past, whatever that past may be,
12:17an alleged present, and all these things.
12:20And they're playing on the field, and when their team's winning
12:23and their team's cooking, nobody's sitting on their hands.
12:25I don't know why we have to have this crisis conversation every single week.
12:31Oh, because we don't want him to be here next year?
12:34All right, well, I guess the other shoe will eventually fall.
12:36I think I can save you guys all the intrigue.
12:39I don't think he's going to be here next year.
12:40So I didn't see these comments.
12:42So, again, I'm flying blind.
12:43I'm willing to think that there are a bunch of people who are nervous
12:47that he will be here, and they do not like,
12:50because people give us way too much credit,
12:52they do not like that we may shape the opinion that he played well.
12:56So conversations about him and playing when he needed to,
13:01playing well when he needed to, turns out he didn't play well.
13:03He's terrible.
13:04This is ridiculous.
13:05He's played well in fourth quarters.
13:07That's what he's done.
13:08Like, that's where it's been.
13:11So that's why the whole conversation, which I stopped yesterday,
13:15you stopped yesterday, extensions, could anybody trade for, no, extensions, no,
13:25the franchise tag, no.
13:27Like, that's, guys, it's September.
13:29It's not happening yet.
13:31It's just something I'm not even considering or thinking about today.
13:34Let's just see how he goes.
13:35So, I don't know.
13:36I get excited about playing the team that is, you know,
13:40the rivalries have eroded all over the NFL.
13:43This one still seems to matter, and it's Thursday night.
13:46Wild things happen on that lake on Thursday nights.
13:50And I think it could shape to be this crazy cauldron for Aaron Rodgers
13:55and the Steelers to walk into, but yet they're the weirdos on the internet
13:59who are like, yeah, but what about next year?
14:01That's not what anybody in that stadium is going to be thinking about.
14:04I'm not worried about next year right now.
14:05I thought that the Browns made decisions that they were worried,
14:08and by the way, we're three weeks into the season,
14:10so they could still end up being worried about next season.
14:12Of course.
14:13Like, that's what I'm trying to point out.
14:14Like, I don't think that there, is there anybody, you know,
14:18this is even better.
14:19Like, it wasn't, was he good or was he just good enough?
14:22No, no, no.
14:22Does anybody really think he's fixed?
14:24Does anybody really think he's on his way back?
14:27No.
14:28Okay.
14:29So what are we arguing about?
14:31No, I think I saw a more confident guy a little bit.
14:33Of course.
14:33Like, he's more confident.
14:34Yes.
14:35I think he's figuring out what his limitations are
14:39when it comes to running in the open field.
14:42But what I'm pointing out.
14:43And he's getting back to being able to make those plays on his feet
14:46that I think he was afraid to.
14:48All right.
14:48But what I'm saying is, is that I think a lot of people,
14:52I'm excited about the possibility of beating Pittsburgh.
14:55Would it surprise any of you guys if he went out there
14:58and he turned into a pumpkin on Thursday night again?
15:00No.
15:01No.
15:02No.
15:02It wouldn't.
15:03So some of this stuff, this craziness, it's over the line.
15:09It's too much.
15:12Like, I'm not going to try to do an Aaron Rodgers and say relax,
15:14but it's like, come on, nobody.
15:16He did a fine job in the fourth quarter.
15:18Give him credit for what he did in the fourth quarter.
15:21Give him credit for what he did in the game against Tampa Bay.
15:24All right?
15:25Credit where it's due.
15:26That's all we're trying to do is go right down the line and be fair.
15:29But all these other conversations are nuts.
15:32Because I don't think that there's anybody out there,
15:34if they just take off their, take out their emotions,
15:37and just take off those glasses and look at him for what he is,
15:40I don't think there's anybody out there,
15:42except for maybe his personal quarterback coach,
15:44and people with the last name of Watson,
15:46who would say, oh, yeah, he's fixed.
15:48He's on his way back.
15:50Nobody.
15:50And I think people are misconstruing.
15:53If you were cheering at the end of that game
15:56and excited the Browns lost,
15:57it doesn't mean you're giving a hero's welcome to Deshaun Watson.
16:02It doesn't mean that you think he should be knighted.
16:05You're a Browns fan.
16:06It doesn't think you should put him in the ring of honor
16:09or anything like that.
16:10You're a Browns fan.
16:11You want the Browns to win.
16:12You're just excited that you're not Houston.
16:14Oh, and three.
16:15You're not the Chargers.
16:17Oh, and three.
16:18You're not the Patriots.
16:19One and two.
16:20That's all it means.
16:21So we don't have to look that.
16:23It's a football game.
16:24We like football in this town.
16:26We never get to start out two and one.
16:29It's fun being two and one.
16:30And I'd rather be that than a lot of the teams that I am seeing right now
16:35who are struggling mightily like the Miami Dolphins,
16:38who are oh, and three or the Packers who are one and two or Baker Mayfield
16:42and the oh, and three Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
16:45I'd rather be the Browns today.
16:47Sue me.
16:48Two, one, six, four, seven, four to below 92.
16:50Ken Carman, Anthony Lima, live on the fan.
16:54It's a football game.
16:56We like football in this town.
16:58We never get to start out two and one.
17:00It's fun being two and one.
17:02And I'd rather be that than a lot of the teams that I am seeing right now
17:06who are struggling mightily, like the Miami Dolphins, who are oh, and three,
17:10or the Packers who are one and two, or Baker Mayfield
17:14and the oh, and three Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
17:16I'd rather be the Browns today.
17:18Sue me.
17:20It's fun being two and one.
17:22It's fun being two and one.
17:24It's fun being two and one.
17:26There we go.
17:26I'm sorry.
17:27We like football in this town.
17:28It's true.
17:29He said it.
17:30He told me during the break.
17:31We have research to back that up.
17:32And I'm just like, I got to get him right out there.
17:34Let's go.
17:35I'd rather be the Browns today.
17:37Sue me.
17:37It's going to be a short conversation.
17:39Does anybody think that the guy Deshaun Watson has it fixed?
17:44No?
17:45No?
17:45Anybody?
17:46No.
17:47I'll go to the phones.
17:47216-474-0092.
17:49Do you think he has it fixed?
17:51So why would we be accused of having it fixed?
17:54And I don't know about the clip.
17:56I'm not blaming the clip.
17:58Mark it down.
18:00On today's day, I didn't blame the clip that you referenced.
18:04Usually, nine times out of ten, I'll blame the clip and go,
18:06are you doing this getting this yelled at?
18:08Why are you doing it?
18:09I'm not trying to make anybody's day worse.
18:13But damn it, they played well.
18:15The team fought through.
18:18They had 14 penalties altogether.
18:20And on two of those occasions, there was actually two penalties,
18:24so you could only accept 12.
18:25Hello, Freddy Kitchens land.
18:27You won this game.
18:29You didn't go out there and get boat raced like you did against Tennessee some years ago.
18:32And hey, Carolina was an 8-9 team or whatever it was that squeaked into the playoffs last year.
18:38I get you ain't beating Murderer's Row.
18:40But by the way, you ain't necessarily Murderer's Row, man.
18:44Can we just enjoy it for what it is before we get all hot and bothered
18:48and say that Deshaun Watson's putting the screws to us?
18:51I mean, seriously.
18:52Seriously.
18:52Can I talk to anybody into just smelling the roses for a second?
18:59I'm not trying to be mean-spirited, man.
19:01I'm not trying to be nasty.
19:02But you look at the cavalcade of silliness that happened where, yeah,
19:06we probably would have lost that game.
19:07I know that you had mentioned that Jonathan yesterday had said on the show on Afternoon Drive
19:13that they would have lost the game if Kevin Stefanski was the coach.
19:17You're like, well, he didn't have much to bag it up.
19:19And I didn't mean to do this now.
19:21I actually do.
19:22I agree with Jonathan.
19:23It just depends on the year.
19:24Last year, they'd have lost that game.
19:26The year before, I think they would have lost that game.
19:282023, maybe they wouldn't have done it.
19:30Like, I think the guys were checked out, even at the beginning of the season.
19:33Oh, okay.
19:34So that's my, just going off of what you told me, I'm like, yeah,
19:38I'm not going to rip Jonathan for that.
19:39And I love Kevin, but I think I agree with you.
19:41I just laugh.
19:42I think now the way people talk about Stefanski is that he's one of the worst coaches
19:46in NFL history.
19:47Like, he just had no, he was walking in confidence.
19:51And I'm like, no, we had two.
19:53Extraordinary.
19:54You know, one was, one would defy all logic.
19:57The year where we won when we started PJ Walker against the 49ers.
20:02And like, yeah, Stefanski was working miracles that year.
20:05Yeah.
20:05And listen, I got the flip card right here, boss.
20:07But it's like, you go through the offensive line.
20:09And I could take Elton Jenkins has a concussion.
20:12Luke Whipler's there now.
20:13He's going to probably be there on Thursday now.
20:16Tevin Jenkins.
20:17I don't know.
20:17I think Tevin Jenkins got Wally Pitt by Austin Barber.
20:20You can't play.
20:20I hate it for you, man.
20:23But our future is now.
20:24And that future is Austin Barber over there at the right guard spot.
20:27Let him get used to it.
20:27Let him get going.
20:28I saw one horrific rep by Zion Johnson.
20:31I thought the rest was fine.
20:33Spencer Fano, I think, has done a fine enough job.
20:35I know that people saw him get beat a few times.
20:37That's what's going to happen.
20:37Not every game is going to be fantastic from being a rookie on.
20:43Dare I say this?
20:44I will make a comparison with Joe here.
20:47If we had all 22 in Joe's first year, was that 2007 was Joe's first year?
20:55If we had all 22 in Joe's first season as a Cleveland Brown, do you think we might find
20:59a couple of guys who took him for a ride?
21:02Number three overall pick.
21:04Greatest to do it, arguably.
21:06A personal friend, Anthony and I.
21:08It's like, I'm probably sure somebody would, and Owen, by the way, I'm probably sure somebody
21:13took him for a ride in his first year in the NFL.
21:16That's fine.
21:18Titus Howard, holds, holds, holds, holds, holds, has a knee injury, reminds me of Tony
21:22Pachos.
21:23Like, I just went down the line.
21:24I can go all day long with why this team, hey, there's holes here.
21:29It ain't that great there.
21:29I don't want to do that.
21:30They're two and one.
21:31So stop and smell the roses.
21:32So guys, I do think naturally.
21:34It's also as in college football.
21:36Yeah, when you get some injuries, maybe it's not going to be so fun.
21:39So damn it, just enjoy it for what it is, because it could end up being a long December
21:42anyway, guys.
21:42I mean, even the good teams have all showed a ton of flaws.
21:46Bring each other in.
21:48Let's go.
21:49Hug each other.
21:50Hold each other.
21:51Hold hands.
21:52Across Cleveland.
21:54Doggone it.
21:55We like football in this town.
21:57Where's my, there it is.
21:59I grabbed my watch.
22:00Pete in Cleveland Heights, hello.
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