00:00It felt like today was going to be a nice day to really quiet down, tamp down the Shador conversation,
00:05bring it back down so that we didn't have 99% of our videos on Twitter receiving hate, whether they
00:14involve Shador or not.
00:16Well, you'd think it'd be the type of, I mean, the Shador convo probably isn't going to leave, but if
00:20Deshaun wins this weekend, it should go back in the closet for a little bit.
00:24It should, but today we got wind of this clip here of Deion Sanders on CBS Sports Colorado proving that
00:32this conversation, at least right now, is still very much alive.
00:35Here is Deion talking about Shador's growth and maturity.
00:38He's matured so much and he's grown so much in the last year or so that I'm really, really proud
00:44of him because he's never had to deal with circumstances.
00:48And we've always dealt with chatter.
00:50If you're in that last name, Sanders, you're going to do a chatter.
00:52We've always dealt with that from youth all the way up, but the level of dysfunction that permeates around, it's
00:59crazy.
00:59But for him to rock steady and find his balance, it's wonderful seeing him mature, especially when we're in the
01:05same room.
01:06Now, Deion is always purposefully vague with stuff like this, unless it's a situation that he doesn't care if he
01:12throws a grenade into.
01:14But being purposefully vague about the dysfunction around him, I think opens up a whole nother can of worms and
01:20also still doesn't help Shador in this scenario.
01:23I thought it was very intentional of him to just say mature as many times as he did in that
01:27little stretch.
01:27I think the message, and I think from Deion's camp and then obviously Shador's camp, I think what they're going
01:32to try to do moving forward now is,
01:35and I think Shador failed at this obviously last week in a couple different instances, but I think the message
01:39will now be convince everybody that he is mature,
01:42convince everybody that even when we were talking about the Todd Munkin, was he gagging about it, was he not,
01:48whatever,
01:48but the idea is express to everybody that he's mature and he can handle being a professional.
01:53Yeah, I think it's interesting. I think it's a two-fold prong. One is, he's mature, and two, he's in
01:59a dysfunctional situation.
02:01So that makes his maturity more impressive. And it's weird because I don't have a lot of evidence to support
02:09the idea that the Browns aren't dysfunctional,
02:11given their lack of success. But overall, compared, if we want to talk, you know, dysfunction,
02:19there's a little dysfunction in every organization in the NFL, this compared to 2017, it does feel like a completely
02:25different organization for the Browns,
02:26if he's specifically referring to the dysfunction within Cleveland.
02:30Oh, I didn't take a dysfunction with Cleveland, but I could see how somebody would.
02:33And you're right to point that out then, like 2017, it's night and day.
02:36Now, the through line there is obviously Jimmy Haslam, but Haslam's been, in my opinion, way more tamped down than
02:42what we've seen in previous years.
02:43Yeah, I kind of don't know.
02:45I don't know if he's just hiding in the shadows, and we're going to find that out later, or what's
02:47going on there.
02:48So then what dysfunction is he referring to?
02:50I thought it was more just the dysfunction that always follows Shador, and in a weird wink and a nod
02:55to the,
02:56you guys always refer to it as a cult, but the people that really support Shador in a way that
03:01had him being worth $17 million last year in his rookie season.
03:04Yeah, the problem with that is, I don't know.
03:07I always get leery about, like, loving the benefits of something like that and then decrying the downside.
03:15You can't talk about the excessive dysfunction, if that's what he's referring to.
03:20You can't talk about the excessive dysfunction around Shador, which is some of the toxicity involved in his fan base
03:28when it's encouraged because it's financially beneficial for you.
03:32Like, half of being a celebrity in many respects, like, if you're just talking like A-list actors, for instance,
03:36what do they always do?
03:37Or how LeBron even did this often.
03:39He's not going to turn down the money and send it back, but he'll acknowledge he can't go to Walmart
03:43the way everyone else can.
03:44Yeah.
03:45There's downsides to being a celebrity in general.
03:47There's downsides to being famous.
03:49I think this continues to come back to, I don't love the dysfunction comment because I think whether it's Shador's,
03:56you know, the people he surrounds himself with, which, by the way, should be the first thing.
04:02That his agent did, which is clearing out some of the people in his entourage.
04:08Like, I really have no qualms with Shador.
04:12There are maturity problems there, and that's okay.
04:15He's 23 years old.
04:16You're allowed to be a little immature at 23.
04:19It's just harder to be the face of a franchise and get someone to trust you with their franchise if
04:23that happens.
04:24But, like, I love so much of what I've seen from Shador, but I do think he's got a lot
04:30of people around him giving him the worst, not worst advice, but just hurting his image publicly by looking like
04:40they speak on his behalf.
04:41Sure, yeah, definitely.
04:41And then when it blows back, saying, well, I don't speak on his behalf.
04:44Sure, definitely.
04:44I also think another thing about this is, you know, Dion, you're speaking into, basically, it's like a Shador echo
04:50chamber, you know?
04:51And so, like, everyone that roots and likes Shador Sanders is going to think he's mature.
04:56And who's the one that's going to be paying attention to what Dion has to say?
04:59It's all people that like Shador to begin with anyway.
05:02And so you're not convincing anybody.
05:03Like, if you're trying to convince me that Shador is mature, you don't have to do much there.
05:09That's not the job.
05:10The job right now for Shador is convincing the people that don't like Shador already or the people that are
05:15just NFL observers casually that Shador has changed something.
05:18And really, NFL front offices.
05:20Yeah, I love this point because no one's going to be like, well, Dion says he's more mature.
05:26Yeah, like, let's just take that.
05:28Especially when we have evidence to the contrary here with how he handled himself a week ago and the weird
05:34stuff that happened to the media.
05:35Like, that's, this again continues to be, I think maybe the Sanders camp or maybe Dion's new agent recognized, well,
05:45the narrative is you're immature.
05:46So let's go ahead and fight that by saying you've actually matured.
05:50Yeah.
05:51And as you have pointed out, there's a lot of folly to that because we have so much more recent
05:58stuff of just goofy stuff that happens with Shador specifically.
06:02And it's another case of, okay, you finally hear the thing that does need to improve and your attack on
06:10how to improve it.
06:12But it's like Scooby-Doo.
06:14It's like, it's like, you're not going to get away with this, you darn kids.
06:17Like, it just riles up the fan base in a way that then now everyone that likes Shador Sanders will
06:22be like, well, Dion said it.
06:24And it's like, well, no guys, like actions are going to go ahead and tell you whether or not, you
06:28know, Shador's matured and whether or not he's handling all this.
06:31And it's not what he did last week.
06:32It just isn't.
06:332-1-6-4-7-4-0-9-2.
06:36You heard Dion Sanders.
06:37They're talking about Shador's maturity.
06:39I don't think it's a coincidence that within the last 14 days, we've had more talks about Shador's immaturity.
06:47That this comes after our conversation about Munkin from yesterday either.
06:50You know, like I think this was, if the perception on what happened with that A.J. Ross report was
06:57that was Munkin highlighting how Shador is immature.
07:00And again, I don't think Dion was accidental with the terms that he used consistently throughout this interview.
07:05I also think, did you watch the full clip?
07:09Like, including the reporter's questions?
07:11Yes, yes, I did.
07:12Yeah.
07:13You want to talk about somebody that is in the Sanders camp and just comes off as a sycophant in
07:17the way that interview goes?
07:19That interviewer bugged me as much as anything Dion could possibly have said.
07:23Oh, there's a reason why the interviewer got the interview.
07:25Yep.
07:25That's how it works with Dion.
07:26I mean, it always has been.
07:27Cool Ray in Bedford.
07:29You got about 45 seconds, buddy.
07:30What you got for us?
07:31Hey, I mean, I love you guys.
07:33You know, I try to call in when I can.
07:35But you guys are talking about Shador's immaturity and stuff like that.
07:39What about the immaturity of this organization?
07:41Bro, we are talking of all they did in the offseason was hire an older Kevin Stefanski.
07:47That's all they did.
07:48But why does that make them dysfunctional?
07:51Because we were talking about and we were getting on Kevin Stefanski and his organization for having four quarterbacks on
07:57the roster.
07:57We thought that was stupid last year.
08:00We still got four quarterbacks under this coach.
08:03We still are still talking about should Shador be starting or what we may have in a quarterback position.
08:09The exact same conversation that we had last year with Kevin Stefanski under this coach.
08:14This coach came in and was using the preseason like this was a Super Bowl contending team.
08:21We're the most penalized team that, in the league, the same thing they were doing under Kevin Stefanski.
08:28Except now we have a horrible defense.
08:31At least we had a great defense because we had Miles Garrett.
08:35All we did was hire an older version of Kevin Stefanski.
08:39And then when the young men get on there and, yes, the first half of the game was horrible.
08:44The second half he balled out.
08:45The coach come out and then try to play him like Boo Boo the Fool, like he's immature.
08:51And, yes, this is all about leadership.
08:57We have no leadership.
08:58And everybody gets on this radio, you guys, and act like Todd Munkin is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
09:04And I don't understand that.
09:06I don't act that way, Cool Ray.
09:08Boo Boo the Fool made me chuckle.
09:10I appreciate that.
09:11I like when Cool Ray is uncool.
09:12Cool Ray, we do have to run here.
09:13I don't know.
09:15I feel like I've kind of had some things to say about Todd this week, and certainly the way he
09:20knew his press conference.
09:21I just never thought of him as an older Stefanski.
09:23Like the difference between Munkin and Stefanski is night and day.
09:26Yeah, I also don't think that the Browns, every organization in the NFL has some level of dysfunction.
09:33And most of it you don't know about because it's not reported or it's kept under wraps.
09:37I don't know that unless it's just, well, Jimmy's here, so there's always going to be dysfunction.
09:43I get that.
09:44That's the old four-yo take.
09:45This doesn't feel like the kind of dysfunction that I think sidetracks an organization.
09:52And I don't think it has any impact on Shador's availability or Shador's development.
09:57I think if Shador doesn't work out, he can't blame the Cleveland Browns for this.
10:00Right?
10:01He had two years to change the narrative, or it might even have more time here to change the narrative
10:05on him.
10:06If he doesn't do that, that's on him, not on, hey, nobody believed in me.
10:10Or, well, you're a fifth-round pick.
10:12Well, and this next stretch of games that he does get, he might, I mean, again, he might not even
10:17end up getting those opportunities if we're being truthful about it.
10:19But he won't have anybody else to blame but himself if that's the case.
10:21That's how this works.
