00:00us to talk about the houston side of things including whether they're still in a juice with
00:03the deshaun watson angle of this we head out to the wise heart right we make it right call
00:09kyle wright hotline and welcome on seth payne of 95 7 the fan in houston and the seth payne show
00:16on youtube seth welcome back to the show hey thanks for having me back on guys happy to uh
00:22happy to be uh you laid it out perfectly that's none of those none of those playoff probabilities
00:27seem likely like in in any direction right now in houston uh and i'm sure you guys are kind of
00:33skeptical of them yourself how are you guys viewing this game because i think for us we're we're all
00:39of a sudden very afraid of your team and even though you guys are just three and five yeah um
00:44i mean it's
00:44one of the it's the same situation the texas were in last year they were three and five they fought
00:49their way back they had to go on a nine game win streak to make the playoffs and you know
00:54they're
00:55at a point now where okay to win 10 games they'd have to go seven and two to win 11
00:59games they'd
01:01you know they'd have to go eight and one and they've got one of the easier schedules in the nfl
01:06but they're facing a team in the browns that look the the browns whatever the overall record is and
01:12however anybody however good anybody thinks they are um they've got a solid defense and they've got
01:19explosive weapons offense so i know this is familiar to you guys it's that hey your defense
01:25looks like they're playing pretty well down by down but then all of a sudden the texans defense will
01:31allow these explosive pass plays so i'm looking at concepcion and boston and i'm i'm looking at
01:40harold fanon jr just trucking dudes um and it's like in my mind there's still some of the flaws that
01:47the texans defense has had over the first part of the season sure they look great against the
01:51chargers but they still are potentially vulnerable to guys like that playmakers who with the ball in
01:57their hands can do some damage do texans fans still care at all about deshaun or is that the type
02:02of
02:02thing that you've been you've been with cj stroud long enough to even have debates about whether or
02:06not you sign him long term so you guys are just over it i i don't know yeah i think
02:10uh my co-host
02:11sean pendergast put up a poll this morning and it was something like 51 percent of people said that
02:17they're they're just over it uh there's like 20 percent that said it's complicated and then you
02:23know so another uh 30 percent or so that are that are still you carry some venom for deshaun i
02:29think
02:29for me personally and you know you guys can appreciate this too when you when you talk about something
02:35over and over again for 18 months you just you're ready to move on and i i think if you
02:42remember when
02:43you guys came down to houston a couple years ago i remember talking to i remember i was talking to
02:48albert breer after that game and you know he was covering it from a national perspective and he said
02:54you know i was kind of surprised that there wasn't more vitriol for for deshaun and at that point i
03:01told
03:01them we were just we were tired of being a spectacle you know we were tired of being a laughingstock
03:06in something that was just such a such a dysfunctional organization and that whole
03:12situation was so ugly that i think a lot of people wanted to move on from it and then yeah
03:16you add on
03:17to it that cj cj is looking a lot more like he has that promise that he showed his rookie
03:22year so
03:22it's it's it's easier to do that kind of indiana jones swap out of the sandbags and uh and just
03:29try
03:29not to think about it the cj stuff is a lot of fun i i hated how down people were
03:34nationally on cj
03:35after the last two years but i mean he's top three in passing yards per game right now and i
03:41i just
03:41i'm i'm having fun watching him outside of the sunday obviously uh what 60 yards more per game that
03:48he's averaging now than the last two years i'm like what's the difference with with cj stroud this
03:52year you know it really just feels like everything that you see from a lot of quarterbacks when they
03:59hit that fourth year and and honestly this is what happened with deshaun when he was running a
04:04similar offense with bill o'brien in 2020 everything just started to click for deshaun and it felt like
04:11he had a really good feel for everything that he was supposed to do pre-snap you know he knew
04:16he knew
04:17where the soft spots in the defense were going to be he was he was operating on that level and
04:21that's
04:22when deshaun looked so good in 2020 and i think with cj they spent a lot of time this offseason
04:27talking
04:28about the pre-snap process getting the protections right doing all those things and when you watch him
04:34in the game he's he's up there at the line of scrimmage with 20 seconds left on the play clock
04:40directing traffic making adjustments to alignments you know changing the pass protection and it a lot
04:46it's really allowed him when the when the ball is snapped to just let the game come to him and
04:53then
04:53the other thing too is in the offseason he spent a lot of time he went to two different facilities
04:57working on his mechanics got his his physical training and his like mechanics above and beyond
05:05just throwing better than they'd been before so what you see this here a lot is man there's times
05:10where there's people in his face and he's just he's delivering the ball with a flick of the wrist
05:15really really accurately thrown into tight windows a lot but without putting the ball in harm's way
05:21so it's that it's that thing that you hope to see from a quarterback in their fourth year where
05:26all of a sudden they've they've they've they've made bad plays they've seen a whole bunch of
05:31different coverages they've been fooled and they've learned a lot of lessons and it just feels like he
05:36took that next step that that some guys do and some guys don't you seem pretty complimentary of the
05:41brown so far in this interview uh if when vegas says five point favorites on the road for houston is
05:47that does that seem right to you like do you when you when you think about this game is that
05:51is that is that accurate because i i just don't know if i'm if i'm reading you wrong or where
05:54i
05:54where we are here listen listen three weeks ago i out of duty and out of tom coughlin beating it
06:02into my head for so many years i was given a lot of respect to the giants who were 10
06:06and a half point
06:07underdogs to the texans and uh hey you know listen listen jj mccarthy it's not look he looked good in
06:13the fourth quarter last week when he came in he might be able to do something then man they like
06:19they put it
06:19they put it on the texans it was it was a pretty competitive game in the first half and then
06:26all
06:27of a sudden i mean the the giants just started running the ball more and more consistently and i
06:32don't i don't know if i've ever watched an overtime game where i felt like man that the and deserve
06:40to
06:40win that game like it wasn't usually a lot of overtime games you know especially with the old rules you
06:45might say oh you lost the coin toss you're screwed or whatever nope the texans went out on offense and
06:50it was three and out and then the texans went out on defense and the giants scored in three plays
06:56and they just ran at will down the entire field texans couldn't tackle they weren't taking on run
07:02blocks they were playing with poor leverage i mean it was it was really really ugly and that was when
07:07they were 10 and a half point favorites so now this week i am 100 focused on the positives of
07:12the
07:12cleveland browns i've watched all of deshaun watson's comebacks i've uh i've i've seen i've been
07:17watching casey concepcion cut up reels from college uh there is there's there is every if the browns
07:24can harness the power of their offense and some of the really good things they do especially with
07:29some of their receiving threats um they've they've got a very good chance to to beat the texans in
07:34this game so the the five and a half point spread doesn't fool me seth we had some debate this
07:38week
07:39and it seems like the browns had some debate this week do you go back to deshaun watson coming off
07:43the concussion or do you stick with shador sanders who had a couple of really nice moments in the
07:48fourth quarter and overtime against the saints obviously the browns chose deshaun watson but
07:55which one of those quarterbacks starting this sunday would have given you the most trepidation about
07:59this game i would have i would have been most nervous about deshaun still my uh my co-host and
08:05i
08:05argued about this and it still came down to he wanted to see shador because he felt like it was
08:09good for engagement and content more so than uh in the texans chances of winning i think that i and
08:15especially you know going back to the two rookie receivers um that deshaun even though i know he's
08:22not operating at the peak of what he's been before there's still a level of consistency there i think
08:28that you get with a veteran quarterback and either of those guys shador or deshaun are capable of having
08:33those great fourth quarters after not necessarily playing well for for three quarters so i i like
08:40the the potential for mayhem with shador with this texans defense you know the the texans pass rush has
08:48been pretty consistently good all year long so they're they're leading the league in sacks right
08:52now um and you know that you know i don't think deshaun's necessarily going to handle it the best
08:58if they get home but i think shador you might have really seen but the worst version of some of
09:04shador's tendencies as a young player and i'm like i'm not a shador hater by any stretch of the
09:09imagination i think he's got a lot of upside but i think he's he's going through that process that
09:15you know really we saw with case kingham here in houston and i'm not trying to compare the two
09:20directly but case was a guy that had a lot of bad habits from being in a certain type of
09:25system in
09:26college and he was capable of doing some really impressive things um but he had to get all of
09:31those other bad habits out of his system first so he was a project and um you know i think
09:36shador
09:37has more potential upside than case kingham probably did if you looked at him as rookie year but there's
09:43just a lot of that that's still it's still got to be ironed out and he needs reps and i
09:47don't know
09:47if the texans defense in that pass rush would be the best place for him to to really build on
09:53anything sat i gotta tell you the titus howard experiment has gone very very poorly so far
09:59a lot of penalties he's grading out as one of the worst tackles in the sport i know he played
10:04guard
10:04at times when he was there in houston and you got to watch him every single play but like
10:08hey did you envision it going this poorly for the browns uh i well i'll tell you if it makes
10:14you feel
10:15any better why it teller hasn't done much down here either um it does make me feel a little better
10:20yeah yeah yeah well you know it's one of those things where you know it's like he's an aging
10:25player and sometimes it's time to say goodbye no matter how much of a legend the guy was for your
10:29team and uh and that's what it looks like happened there i think with titus you know for for the
10:35texans their whole offseason strategy was all right you know titus titus is you know gonna want a new
10:42contract at some point he's an expensive player and he's always been a better pass protector than he's
10:46been a run blocker and they they ended up thinking they signed brayden smith who was cheaper he hasn't
10:53worked out well either for the texans but brayden smith is a better run blocker so i you know i
10:58with
10:58titus there it was never like that he was a complete and total package and that he wasn't necessarily
11:06going to be a driving force behind you know changing an offensive line i think with the right
11:12pieces around him and everything and i know this isn't what you want to hear um you know i think
11:17i
11:17think he still has a lot of value but like the texans are going through the same thing they spent
11:22their whole offseason like they didn't sign or draft anybody who didn't profile as a good run blocker
11:29in the run block their run their rushing offense hasn't gotten one bit better it's just that part of
11:35it's been been really frustrating so it's if it makes you feel any better at all i don't think
11:40like other than the salary cap implications houston doesn't feel like we got one over on the titans
11:45or excuse me on the uh browns seth great stuff is always my guy great to catch up with you
11:51and uh i actually i like the the texans a lot we've had a couple debates about this one so
11:56outside of
11:57sunday i am hoping to see them continue to glow up because i i'm rooting for cj yeah and uh
12:02i look i
12:03honestly i lied i wasn't blowing smoke or talking myself into it with those uh those young receivers
12:08and with fan and like those guys play football the right way so i'm uh i will i appreciate it
12:13but
12:14i am not i'm not going to uh get any easy sleep until this game is done man i really
12:18like it if
12:19you just could lay low for a bit really doubt this game you just completely dismiss it that way the
12:24browns could maybe just get a win i really need to win seth it's been it's been a long couple
12:28weeks
12:29now yeah yeah there there was a listen listen you get the texans were three and five last year they
12:34fought their way back against all odds nobody believed it uh uh d'amico d'amico is always
12:39pleasant and bubbly and everything he gets testy in press conferences when it's like this so it's uh
12:44we're all in the same boat we got testy todd this week too seth be good buddy appreciate you
12:48thank you seth uh thank you seth pain of the fan in houston and the seth pain show on youtube
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