00:00Michael Irvin has been on our show before.
00:02I like Michael.
00:04I love listening to him talk about football.
00:07I think he's fun.
00:08He was great in the longest yard.
00:10He was on ESPN's first take on Monday.
00:15And he had a comment about the Browns and Deshaun Watson
00:19and the win in Tampa and Todd Bunkin that I don't know.
00:25Let's hear the thing and then we'll discuss.
00:26This is the last thing the Cleveland Browns wanted.
00:31They didn't want him to win this game.
00:32They wanted to end this thing right there.
00:36I've never heard a team come out and say he's going to start
00:39the first two games on the road.
00:40And reiterate it after week one start.
00:42He's going to get at least one more start and then we'll see.
00:45This is the last thing they wanted.
00:47And it happened.
00:48He won the game.
00:49And then Deshaun Watson posted a pic of him saying,
00:53Like I got y'all again.
00:56Y'all thought y'all were getting rid of me.
00:58I cannot wait to see what this will be when he walks in that stadium this weekend.
01:03They're going to boo him straight off the bat.
01:07I don't care that you won one game that ain't going to change anything in Cleveland.
01:11It is interesting that your representation is a Browns thing.
01:19One day, Michael, one day he'll come out of his shell.
01:22Wow.
01:24Do you believe that?
01:26That they tried to lose?
01:27No.
01:28He said the last thing they wanted was for him to win a football game.
01:32He didn't say they tried to lose.
01:33The last thing he said was something about a brown stain.
01:35That's what I heard.
01:37Say that again, Jeff.
01:38I don't think, you know, he didn't say that, you know, they tried to lose.
01:43He did say the last thing they wanted was for Deshaun to win a game.
01:47I couldn't disagree with Michael Moore.
01:51I couldn't disagree with that more.
01:53Todd Monka wants to win football games.
01:55Todd knows if he wants to keep this gig.
01:57At some point, he's going to have to win football games, and you might as well win them now.
02:01I know he got ripped for it by some people, but it's a reason to tell you what Michael Irvin's
02:08saying is wrong.
02:09When a member of the ownership team is down there, and Deshaun walked towards him,
02:15and they had this sense of euphoria because they won the game and they hugged.
02:19They bro-hugged right after the game.
02:21J.W. Johnson.
02:23And a lot of people notice that at the end of the game.
02:26That's not an ownership group that wants to lose.
02:29He did not look like he wanted to lose.
02:31They've had plenty of losing, Andy.
02:32I'm sure they've had enough of it.
02:34I don't think J.W. wanted to lose.
02:36I think he was extreme.
02:37I was like, I was happy for him.
02:39I know some people wanted to say, like, what's he doing now?
02:42That happens all the time.
02:43Like, ownership is on the field all the time when a team wins.
02:46Now, it might be like a Super Bowl or a playoff game.
02:49That might be a little bit of a bigger stake in it, but that moment to me said they wanted
02:55to win.
02:56And they had just won, and a member of the ownership group was right there.
03:02Deshaun hugged him, and they were legitimately feeling good about winning a game.
03:07To me, that was a pure, raw emotion.
03:10A moment that made me say, the Haslam group does want to win.
03:14Whether you think it or not, and maybe they were happy that they have these extra picks,
03:19that didn't look like somebody that wanted to lose at the end of the game.
03:22I mean, you can draw a list, pros and cons, of winning football games.
03:27The only con on the list of winning football games, the only con is,
03:33you won't have as high of a pick in the 2027 NFL draft.
03:38Okay.
03:39What other possible con could there be to an NFL team, our team in particular, winning football games?
03:46There aren't any.
03:47I agree completely.
03:49How many pros are there?
03:51It's endless.
03:52They're exactly right.
03:53Yeah.
03:53Exactly right.
03:55I mean, I got a text from a friend yesterday who went out to Berea and bought season tickets for
04:03the dome.
04:05I shouldn't say dome.
04:06It's not a dome.
04:07For the enclosed stadium.
04:09Yeah.
04:09For when they opened it up.
04:11And he said the presentation and blah, blah, blah.
04:14He said it was really, was great stuff and what they have planned.
04:18And he was all excited about it, including with the win.
04:22That's, that's what winning football games does to your fan base.
04:25Yeah.
04:25I think the folks that are saying that I wanted them to lose are just loud.
04:29I don't think there are many of them.
04:31Browns fans don't want the team to lose.
04:33I couldn't agree more.
04:36If you want them to lose, are you really a Browns fan?
04:38Ask yourself that.
04:39The last thing the Cleveland Browns wanted.
04:42They didn't want him to win this game.
04:44They wanted to end this thing right there.
04:48I've never heard a team come out and say he's going to start the first two games on the road.
04:52And reiterate it after week one start.
04:54He's going to get at least one more start and then we'll see.
04:57This is the last thing they wanted.
04:59And it happened.
05:00He won the game.
05:01And then Deshaun Watson posted a pic of him saying,
05:05Like I got y'all again.
05:08Y'all thought y'all were getting rid of me.
05:10I cannot wait to see what this will be when he walks in that stadium this weekend.
05:15They're going to boo him straight off the bat.
05:19I don't care that you won one game that ain't going to change anything in Cleveland.
05:23It is interesting that your representation is a Browns fan.
05:28Steve, very shy, calm, and quiet.
05:31Michael Irvin.
05:32Preserved.
05:32Cowboys wide receiver extraordinaire.
05:35And he was on ESPN's first take talking about our quarterback, Deshaun Watson.
05:42Anybody buy that?
05:44Last thing the Browns wanted was for Deshaun to win a game.
05:47Well, here's the other thing.
05:47His facts are wrong.
05:49Do you ever remember Todd Munkin saying?
05:52Todd Munkin was pretty firm in saying he's our starting quarterback.
05:55Yeah.
05:56And wasn't putting an end date.
05:57Now, there were stories over the weekend.
05:59He said week to week, and then he said he'll start, it gives us the best chance to win
06:03at Jacksonville.
06:05And then, yes, I believe Todd took his foot off the gas a little bit.
06:12I don't ever remember Todd saying, he's got the start this week, we'll see next week.
06:16No, he didn't.
06:17And that's the way Michael Irvin presented his argument.
06:19No, but Todd did take his foot off the gas.
06:22Don't you think?
06:23Yeah, I think it's true for every position in football.
06:25Like, I don't, I get it.
06:26You need a great quarterback, but we just treat it so different that even if you have
06:33a great quarterback, they have bad weeks.
06:35And sometimes when a great quarterback has a bad week, you might want to think about it
06:40in the fourth quarter.
06:41That never happens.
06:43I'm saying you should.
06:44I say go to the bullpen every once in a while if you've got a decent backup.
06:49If you know your guy.
06:50That's the problem.
06:51Most teams don't.
06:51So, well, it's hard enough to get a good starter, let alone a decent backup.
06:58Regardless, I think Michael.
06:59But we do it for every other position.
07:01Yeah, running back sucks this week.
07:02All right, we'll start the number two game.
07:03Andy, you know it's a different deal.
07:04I get it.
07:05There's a reason that there are three quarterbacks on a team.
07:10I just think there are days when sometimes you've got to go to the bullpen.
07:13There are days I think we should go to the bullpen on this show.
07:16But we don't have a bullpen.
07:17Yeah, we've tried.
07:18Yeah, I know.
07:19So, wait, I've got to give more innings?
07:22That's true.
07:24You've already thrown 402 months.
07:27When is it that they cut Deshaun?
07:29There's a countdown.
07:30Somebody's got a day tracker out there.
07:33I believe we are on 167 days, I want to say.
07:38Hang on, I can confirm.
07:40Yeah, Tom, I understand, Tom.
07:42But as I've been saying, as Andy has said, he's not going to be here next year.
07:48169 days, sorry.
07:49If he's the quarterback of his team next year, I would be flabbergasted.
07:57He's not going to be your quarterback next year.
07:59Financially, it's the same reason why I said two years ago he would be your quarterback today.
08:05When he got hurt, this is exactly why I said he would be your quarterback, because there
08:10was too much invested in him.
08:11And as long as you have even a sliver of hope of trying to correct people from saying this
08:19is the worst trade in NFL history, you're going to hop on that opportunity if it presents
08:23itself.
08:24Now, if he would have played bad last week, maybe they would have just, you know, waved the
08:28white flag, right?
08:31Dan, this is correct.
08:32The only way they can avoid all of the punitive financial things that are to come is to cut
08:39him on that day, correct?
08:41Correct.
08:41What happens if they extend him and renegotiate it?
08:44They could figure out a way to re-extend it and try to move all of that stuff in between.
08:49But I, again, let's cross that bridge when we get there.
