00:00Between Joe Montana and Steve Young.
00:04Well, I think it was only once he handled it really badly.
00:07Unless there's something I don't know about.
00:08Did you know about another?
00:09It's a Steve Bono.
00:10Yeah.
00:11Oh, gosh.
00:12And then Elvis Gerbach.
00:14What about Steve DeBerg?
00:17Steve DeBerg at one point had a speaker stitched to his,
00:21the back, I swear to you, had a giant ass,
00:23because it was like the 80s,
00:25had a giant speaker stitched to the back of his shoulder pads
00:28because he couldn't speak,
00:29and so they used a speaker so he could call out the signals.
00:31They called him Steve DeBose.
00:35You proud?
00:36Yeah.
00:36That was really good.
00:37Should be.
00:38You should have seen the offensive line.
00:40They just look like the Maxwell guy.
00:42Has the Munkin' man made the right decision?
00:47Has the Munkin' man made the right decision
00:50on picking Deshaun Watson as the starting quarterback on Sunday?
00:542-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
00:56This show is in lockstep.
00:58John, unless you have a dissenting opinion,
01:00do you have a dissenting opinion?
01:01Yeah.
01:02I was editing Mary Kay.
01:04What's going on?
01:04Do you believe that Todd Munkin has made the right decision
01:07by starting Deshaun Watson,
01:08or should he have started Shador Sanders?
01:10I think he made the right decision for a win-now team.
01:13I just want to see Shador.
01:14I liked what I saw from Shador,
01:15and obviously in that fourth quarter,
01:17I know that's not a hot take as everyone's saying that,
01:19but I really liked what I saw.
01:21I feel like Shador gives this offense.
01:23It makes it more fun to watch, to be honest.
01:25I think he has the opportunity to, you know,
01:27the explosive players are there.
01:29I think Deshaun is a better game manager.
01:31I want to see Shador,
01:32but I think Munkin made the right but safe decision.
01:35Well, one guy is,
01:37I don't think either are going to be here.
01:38I think one guy does have a chance,
01:40and it's not Deshaun Watson.
01:42I think it would be Shador Sanders.
01:45Watson would have to go on a tear.
01:47Remember what we were saying after the Tennessee game.
01:49We were like, oh man, are they going to have to resign?
01:52Well, then he came back down to earth in the Pittsburgh game.
01:54So he would have to beat Houston, look good,
01:58and then I think we'll again start having those conversations again.
02:00I think this is why I've kind of had the back and forth
02:04with people about the quarterback situation.
02:06It's like, guys, you can win eight games, nine games.
02:08I mean, the schedule has to break right for you,
02:11and you have to stay in these games and win them.
02:13I get it.
02:13But say you win eight, nine games.
02:15I don't think you're screwed for next year.
02:18And it doesn't mean you have to sign Deshaun Watson.
02:21We've not had tremendous,
02:23we haven't had consistent great quarterback play.
02:26We've had a couple of great fourth quarters by Deshaun Watson.
02:29We've had one great fourth quarter from Shador Sanders.
02:32And I think you can get to the end of this season and go,
02:34we are consistent QB play away from being a contender.
02:38Now that's asking a lot,
02:40considering that some of the guys,
02:41it's like I'm seeing the tweets about Fano hitting the rookie wall
02:44and all those other things.
02:46It's like, oh, that's concerning
02:47because you're only halfway home in this season right now.
02:51Yet I still think that you could get to the end of the year
02:54and go, okay, is this a place we want to drop a rookie into?
02:57Or is this a place that we can bring in a veteran,
03:00a crafty vet,
03:01a guy who is maybe on the scrap heap of somebody else?
03:04You know, I bring up, I always bring up Cam Ward.
03:06Seems like a nice young man.
03:08Seems like a guy who's got the smarts.
03:10I think that he is running from ghosts right now in Tennessee.
03:15I mean, honestly, as a guy who likes Cam Ward,
03:17I can't get him out of a Tennessee jersey fast enough,
03:18which boy, sounds a lot like Shador fans talking about the Browns,
03:21doesn't it?
03:22I can't wait to get him out of a Tennessee jersey
03:24as quickly as possible.
03:26Let me say this though.
03:28I do believe it's the right decision to go back to Deshaun Watson.
03:31I do believe, I don't believe it was gamesmanship.
03:34I believe that Todd Munkin did consider Shador Sanders
03:38because this is part of it where, like, again,
03:40when I heard Colin Cowherd yesterday,
03:43and I brought it up today,
03:45until we heard the A.J. Ross clip finally,
03:49I was concerned.
03:51Because to me, that's a level of unseriousness there.
03:53Like, if he were serious about throwing in different plays,
03:57and you're, by the way, you're not,
03:58you're not disagreeing.
03:59You think it's a gag.
04:00You think he was gagging, joking, ribbing.
04:03I think Todd Munkin was having some fun with it
04:07as a lighthearted moment with a young player in the NFL,
04:10but I don't think he was joking that Shador did this,
04:13that he came to him.
04:14So you have no faith.
04:15So you've lost all faith in Shador for a long term.
04:17I just think at times he's immature.
04:19And you know what?
04:20It's not the end of the world.
04:21I don't crush him for it.
04:23I do think you saw what happens when you have an immature quarterback
04:27that the team like the Saints is going to take it personally.
04:29In the end, he's still got to go out there and play,
04:31and it looked ugly for a while,
04:33and then he came on late in the game
04:35when it became, you know, a desperate situation.
04:37Because there were a lot of people in the mentions yesterday
04:40going, I want him out of a bronze jersey.
04:41You guys need to trade him.
04:43You've never heard me say that.
04:44I didn't say you said that.
04:46I'm saying there were people who,
04:47there were Shador fans going, you don't deserve him.
04:50Trade him to a team that'll use him.
04:52They wanted him to trade him to Minnesota.
04:53I'm like, nah, I don't think that's happening.
04:55What they don't understand is there are no teams.
04:58There are no teams that were willing to give Shador Sanders
05:01a gifted starting quarterback.
05:03We're the only team.
05:04We're the only team out of 32 in the NFL
05:06that even would give him this opportunity right now to start.
05:10And I will say this, is that, you know,
05:11there's the theory that goes out that,
05:14and you've exacerbated a little bit by making a joke
05:16about the Lulu Lemon hoodie and the stuff like that.
05:19You only want him for clicks.
05:20You only want him for merchandise.
05:22You only want him for this and that.
05:23Well, I mean, they are a business.
05:25I can't say it's 0% that.
05:28But also, I saw what he did in the fourth quarter,
05:30and if football coaches want to be football coaches,
05:32they're going to go towards that and see what can I –
05:35we don't have a lot of good quarterbacks.
05:37We have a lot of wounded ducks out there.
05:38We are wounded puppies out there.
05:40We have a lot of guys who are playing afraid.
05:42He does not play afraid.
05:44I agree.
05:45He doesn't play afraid.
05:46Totally agree.
05:46And he's still willing to throw the football downfield.
05:49He has gotten rocked on certain plays,
05:51and he is still willing to do that.
05:53And that's why I'm like, you ain't giving him up this year.
05:56You might call it quits this offseason.
06:00And I think they probably will.
06:02You might call it quits this offseason.
06:04So why do you think they would if they don't have a situation yet?
06:07I think they're going to bring in some other people.
06:11Do you think Shador would be afraid of that situation?
06:13No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
06:14But especially if you go rookie round one, he's not here anymore.
06:20Why do you think that is?
06:21For the same answer I gave you about Joe Flacco in 2023.
06:25He's not here anymore.
06:27I don't need my rookie.
06:28Do you think his psyche is that fragile?
06:29No, it's not about him.
06:31It's about the new quarterback.
06:33I got a fan base in Shador's fan base.
06:36I'll recognize him that they want only Shador to play.
06:39You'll be down by 40.
06:41They want him playing.
06:42And it doesn't matter.
06:43And it doesn't matter how good or bad he's doing.
06:45They're going to go after whoever.
06:46It's not his fault.
06:47Okay.
06:48The Browns are cognizant of that.
06:50It's not about Shador here when I say that.
06:53It's about rookie X if they take a rookie, especially mid-round, first round this year.
06:59That's who it's about.
07:00If they bring in a guy that they really like, that they really think that they can make something in.
07:05If they were to bring in, think about this.
07:08If they were to go, you know, we really like Cam Ward and we think that they're messing him up
07:11down there in Tennessee.
07:12You think they're going to keep Shador Sanders around if they bring in Cam Ward?
07:16Or are they going to keep the guy who's quiet that I don't even really know what his voice sounds
07:20like,
07:21who knows the offense inside, outside, front ways, back ways, and will just be his backup?
07:26Who do you think they're more likely to keep?
07:30You know the answer.
07:32It ain't about Shador when I say that.
07:34I know a lot of things are about him.
07:36That ain't about him.
07:36I'm about the next Browns quarterback.
07:39That's why I say that.
07:40But I'll tell you this, again, in a land where there is not very many good quarterbacks out there,
07:47you see an arm talent and you go, that's why we're not cutting him.
07:51That right there.
07:52That's why you don't get what you want.
07:55Random Twitter accounts, you don't get it, burners and bots.
07:59We ain't giving them up because of what he just completed to Jerry Judy.
08:03Because he still was trying to throw the ball down the field when things were a little bit rough
08:08against the New Orleans Saints.
08:10That's why we're not giving them up.
08:12They made their decision.
08:14They made their decision to put Deshaun Watson back in for continuity's sake.
08:19But if the wheels fall off of that, and it could fall off at any time,
08:24they're going to put Shador Sanders back in there,
08:26and they're going to see if there's something that they can get everything to click into place,
08:30and off we go.
08:31And if it works, then I'm wrong.
08:33They ain't replacing anybody, and off he goes, and we're going to have him as our quarterback.
08:38But when you complete those type of passes to Jerry Judy,
08:41when you complete and still are able to focus and try to go down the field in a game
08:47where you've been having your head handed to you because of offensive line play,
08:50because Quinchon Junkins doesn't know the play, because of all these other things,
08:54uh-uh, no.
08:56I'm not giving Colorado Buffalo fans what they want.
08:58I ain't cutting anybody.
09:00And if I do, it ain't going to be him.
09:03Because of what I just saw.
09:04The better he plays when he goes in, the less likely I am to cut him.
09:08And the fourth quarter, ain't no way I'm cutting him after that.
09:11I would love, well, this show is not exactly a film study show.
09:15Not that, I mean, you watch more film by far than anybody at this station when it comes to that.
09:22But is, you keep talking about Shador's arm talent.
09:26Feel free to educate me, because I see even Anthony Richardson's of the world can bomb it.
09:31Anthony Richardson's afraid to throw the football.
09:33Chip, but Anthony Richardson, I'm giving you the answer.
09:35I'm giving you the answer.
09:36Like, every guy can make all the throws.
09:39But I don't have a guy, like, there's been so much said about him, and I'm going,
09:42hey, I can look at this in a positive fashion.
09:44Anthony Richardson took himself out of a football game.
09:47Anthony Richardson's afraid to throw the football.
09:49Anthony Richardson, yes, can be a one-read guy or takes off too quickly.
09:53And some of the things I thought Shador did were it was one-read and one-read only.
09:57He saw some ghosts in the first three quarters.
09:59But I do believe that he still tries to go down the fifth.
10:03And he can still lock in.
10:05Now, that doesn't mean that he can do it consistently.
10:07And if there's consistent play, maybe there is just some of that stuff where he just lucks himself into it.
10:12But because of what I saw in the fourth quarter, I don't give a damn about anybody on Twitter,
10:17anybody sending emails, or anybody bopping into my Instagram inbox.
10:20I don't give a damn about any of you.
10:22I ain't letting them go because of that and because I don't have my quarterback situation figured out long term.
10:27Sorry, I'm getting emotional.
10:28But you asked me the question, I'm answering it.
10:31I have other guys who see ghosts, who get nervous, and I just don't see anywhere near as much of
10:37that.
10:37Yeah, I guess what I'm asking is there's 47 quarterbacks who have started games this year.
10:42And then we're going to get 48 with the Kyle McCord situation this week with Miami.
10:47Where does his talent, where does Shador's talent stack up with the, as of next week, 48 quarterbacks that will
10:55have started in the NFL?
10:57I don't think it's anywhere near like the top 15 or 20.
11:02So because of that, is it that dazzling that the Browns have to stop what they're doing and truly honor
11:10that talent
11:11and make sure that we keep them in here no matter what?
11:14Record that and replay it for me when we come back in five minutes so I can answer that question
11:19in five minutes on the fan.
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