00:00It was all coming to fruition, and I thought it this way five years ago.
00:04Even you kind of had an inkling about it, where it's like he never, again,
00:09like people are like, there's still people who somehow say,
00:11like how could you say he never wanted to be here?
00:13I don't know, just listen to the guy for three seconds.
00:15And is that a guy who ever wanted to be here?
00:17He was out of here on the first thing, smoking every chance he could
00:20until he was actually playing for a job.
00:23Oh, now he's here.
00:25Okay, yeah, Mr. Cleveland.
00:27We got a real Dick Fegler over there, don't we?
00:29Like what the hell are we doing?
00:32And there's nothing I can do except for bitch and moan because I can't cut the guy
00:36because I have to try to help set up the next guy for success.
00:39So June 1st next year is going to be a hell of a day for a lot of fans out
00:42there,
00:43especially after that, because you could go, well, he could turn it up
00:46and play for you, play well against somebody else.
00:49Is he going to play well against someone else?
00:52Is he going to play well against anybody?
00:53And certainly not at home.
00:55No.
00:55I mean, he hasn't been good anywhere.
00:56Can we have a two-quarterback system where we play Shador at home
00:59and we play Deshaun Watson on the road?
01:01It would be amazing.
01:02It's just unbelievable.
01:03I mean, I'd say it's unbelievable, but it is absolutely believable
01:08because of what's transpired.
01:09Like nothing surprises you anymore.
01:11Well, here's what really is a blow,
01:13is that it seems like they've connected on a bunch of picks the last two years.
01:18And people are genuinely, outside of Cleveland, national football pods are like,
01:24wow, look at what Andrew Barry is putting together.
01:27And yet, after that game, this stole the headlines again.
01:32Again.
01:33I think there were a bunch of people who didn't even know Deshaun Watson was still on the team,
01:37like that just were barely paying attention around the country.
01:40And they're like, oh, wait, he's still there?
01:43And wait a second.
01:44He has a chance to start?
01:46People think he's going to start when you said the shot-putting thing,
01:51the one pass we're all talking about.
01:52At least the interception, he threw the ball down the field.
01:55We haven't seen that in years.
01:57But the shot-put throw, and I know some people were like, no, he got hit again.
02:02Whatever.
02:02It's like his bad passes look like a guy who is just learning the position for the first time.
02:10Like the first day somebody taught him how to play.
02:13It's incredible that this is the same guy.
02:16So now, all that being said, and the fans don't want him to start, and you just heard that.
02:21I think a lot of people share that sentiment of basically daring now Todd Munkin to make him the starter.
02:27What would you do if you were the head coach of the Browns?
02:31I'd start Shador.
02:32You would start Shador?
02:33I'd start Shador, yes.
02:34See, I want Shador to start in my chair right now as Kenny on the air and Kenny the fan
02:42down in Streetsboro.
02:44Okay?
02:44I want Shador to start.
02:47I'm not fully there yet, and just let me tell you why.
02:51If he's not ready, talking about Shador, if Shador isn't ready, I'm going to make this situation somehow worse.
03:00Follow me on this, okay?
03:02It's more about Shador than it is about Deshaun.
03:05If I'm Todd Munkin, and I'm not privy to this stuff, guys.
03:09I'm just going on.
03:10It's not even devil's advocate.
03:11I have to think about this clearly.
03:13Like, going into Saturday, I figured it was Deshaun Watson's job.
03:17That's it, and that's all.
03:18Well, Shador came out, looked pretty good, then Deshaun Watson came out.
03:23I figured he'd turn around, hand off the ball, make a couple of passes, play the third quarter, then we'd
03:29see Dylan Gabriel, and that would be it.
03:31I didn't think he was going to come out there and play like absolute garbage.
03:36And if the booze affected him that much, then he ain't ready to do it anyway.
03:41All right?
03:42You want this love and admiration from your home fan base.
03:46You never earned it.
03:48So they're not going to go out there and cheer you.
03:51You never once earned the love and admiration of the fans.
03:55Not once.
03:56The whole thing was a cold business relationship, and that's what it was, meaning they'll cheer you when you do
04:04well.
04:05But nothing else was going to come of that.
04:07That was the problem with it.
04:09And then you have another quarterback that is popular.
04:13I understand there's goofballs on the internet that, I guess, apparently fantasize about slapping people in the Cleveland media or
04:21whatever.
04:21I'm sure we'll get into that in the course of the next four hours at some point.
04:25That was ridiculous.
04:26But he is genuinely seems to be a decent guy, a nice person, seems to be someone that is likable.
04:34We'll see how he can play the position, but he's certainly likable.
04:37You go up against that, it's like, man, that's hard because a lot of people here don't like you because
04:41of the history, because of what we missed out on.
04:42Because we've had good player after good player after good player just waste game after game after game.
04:47We had to trade Miles Garrett.
04:49Why do we have to trade Miles Garrett?
04:50Because you're terrible.
04:51Because you can't stay healthy.
04:52Because you don't want to be here.
04:54Because there's nothing that's any bit redeeming about your time here in Cleveland.
05:00None.
05:01So we've had to get rid of players, watch players walk away, try to replace those players, all because of
05:07you.
05:08You were supposed to take it there, and you didn't.
05:10So fans are supposed to sit on their hands or turn their mouths and not say anything?
05:15Are we nuts?
05:17This is professional sports.
05:19So that said, sorry, I was venting a little bit.
05:21Let me get back into mode here.
05:25If I'm Todd Munkin, I've got to cosplay here for a moment.
05:30I've got to do what's best for the team.
05:31Now, I don't know, so I can only speculate, all right?
05:34I've got to do what's best for the team right now, and I've got to do what's best for the
05:37team long term for the season.
05:40I want them to see, I want them to play Shador.
05:42It would get a lot of people calm down.
05:46It would calm me down.
05:47It'd calm you down.
05:48It'd calm the fan base down.
05:49If Todd Munkin went out there and said, Shador's the starter.
05:53But we are going to go from 90 plus percent positive that Deshaun Watson's the starter to all of a
06:01sudden Shador's the starter.
06:03And it scares me because then I worry, is Shador ready to play at that level?
06:09Because everything was, hey, Shador looks better in practice.
06:12Shador's throwing a better ball.
06:14Why isn't Shador getting consideration to be the starter?
06:18Why is this going Deshaun Watson's way?
06:20And everything was, one guy's able to get him in and out of the huddle.
06:24One guy kind of knows where they're supposed to line up.
06:26The operations are better.
06:27And now all of a sudden that's going to change?
06:29Is that better for Shador?
06:31I will say this, Shador, I know, again, it's preseason, so I'm always quick.
06:38I shouldn't even have to say it every single time.
06:40I'm always like, eh, this is not going to be a real game thing.
06:45But Drew guys off sides two different times, making life easier on him.
06:50There was a third and 15, and he got him to jump off sides.
06:53The Caden stuff that we were talking about a week and a half ago.
06:58So there does seem to be some growth.
07:01I know it's tough to measure that stuff in these preseason games, but I think if you're
07:06the head coach and if you had a big problem with Shador, and I don't know, I'm not in
07:12that locker room and I'm not in those coaching meetings, but if that was one of the things
07:16holding Shador back and now he's exhibiting some better qualities and then the patience
07:21when the offensive line was holding it down for him and he had patience to go through
07:26progressions and allow, you know, in the back of the end zone, somebody would be freed up
07:29and he took his time and was methodical.
07:32Like, those are all bullet points on your side of the ledger.
07:37And I'd have to look at each other and I'd have to say, like, if we were the coach's room
07:40here and we were actually making the decision, throw Owen and even John into that level if
07:44you want to, you know, I'd look at you guys and I'd go, is he okay enough to start?
07:50Like, I understand, like, he might be starting behind an eight ball because of the operations
07:54of it, but can we get him there?
07:57Can we get him halfway there?
07:59Can we get him three quarters of the way there?
08:00And then as time goes on, he'll start to get it.
08:03Can we do that?
08:04Like, I can't answer that question and neither can anybody in the room.
08:07These are private conversations that they have.
08:09All right?
08:11Because I don't want to double, I keep talking about it's a mistake.
08:15It was a mistake to sign him.
08:17It was a mistake the whole way through to trade three first round picks for him, the whole thing.
08:22I don't want to compound the mistake even further.
08:24Like, yeah, my first reaction is this is terrible.
08:28This has come to an end.
08:29We got to cut him.
08:31We have to move on.
08:32$86 million in penalties going into next year when he wouldn't be here anyway going into
08:36next year stops me from doing that because I don't want to make the situation worse.
08:40If Shador is ready or close to ready, I want to start Shador.
08:45But if there's still some sort of a gap in the huddle, I don't want to make the situation
08:49worse by putting Shador in a worse position.
08:52And that would in turn put the rest of the offense in a worse position.
08:55I don't want to do that.
08:57Yeah, I'm mad.
08:58I'm angry.
09:00I want Shador to play, but I don't want to lose focus on what is supposed to happen here.
09:05Yeah, I hear all that.
09:07I know.
09:08Tom Monkens should just call him the starter today.
09:10Let's go.
09:11You know what?
09:11Nobody's ever...
09:12It made me feel a lot better.
09:13Nobody is ever 100% ready for these moments.
09:16You're right.
09:16There's going to be growing pains.
09:18There's going to be bad moments.
09:19It's the NFL.
09:20Really good quarterbacks.
09:22I mean, man, Patrick Mahomes.
09:23How many games did they win last year?
09:24Six.
09:26Like, it's okay.
09:27It's okay to throw a guy into the fire.
09:29I'm not...
09:31People might be worried, hey, you're going to ruin a guy for life because the Browns have
09:34been accused of doing that.
09:35But in the end, how else are you going to find out?
09:38Let's go.
09:38If he's close, I would agree with you.
09:40I don't know.
09:41And because I don't know, I can't fully go with you.
09:44If he's close, I say, yeah, absolutely.
09:47If there's that much of a gap, I say, yeah, absolutely.
09:50If there's a bigger gap than we find out, and we may find out later today, if they named
09:53Deshaun Watson, there's a bigger gap than we know, then, yeah, you're going to catch
09:58a lot of hell for it.
10:00Honeymoon's over, man.
10:01And I was saying the honeymoon's over before because, hey, we're getting ready to play
10:05football games.
10:06Like, now it's about to count.
10:07Like, you can't...
10:08Eventually, you got to fly back home and start your lives together.
10:11And now, this is...
10:15I mean, you make him the starter, you're going to have to answer to that.
10:18He better play well down in Jacksonville.
10:20Well, you know what?
10:21Because he's done for the preseason.
10:22I don't think you can march him back out there Thursday night.
10:25Jeez, listen to the sentence I just said.
10:27Is that a home game, Kenny?
10:28Listen to the sentence I just said.
10:29Kenny, is that a home game?
10:30How can I play the guy?
10:32Listen to the sentence that just came out of my mouth, Owen.
10:34Listen to...
10:35We can't play him at home in a preseason game because 10,000 people are going to boo him.
10:40Oh, this is stupid.
10:41This is the...
10:42That's the dumb...
10:42Of all the dumb things I've said, that's the dumbest.
10:44Say it's the dumbest.
10:45You know it's the dumbest.
10:46You know it is.
10:47I may say something stupider later on, but 15 years on the air, that was the dumbest.
10:51Oh, my God!
10:5210,000 people are going to boo him.
10:54You know why?
10:54Because he can't handle it.
10:56He can't handle it.
10:57There's guys like Kobe Bryant who didn't give an F what you thought about him.
11:01He did not care.
11:02He was a psychopath.
11:03He was a literal psychopath.
11:04He did not care.
11:05He did not care what you thought.
11:07He did not care what you said.
11:08He was going to go out there, and he was going to rub your nose in it, and championships
11:12fell out of the sky because of the hard work and the dedication that he had because he
11:15didn't care.
11:18Few guys can do that.
11:19LeBron couldn't do it.
11:20Remember, they tried to do that down in Miami.
11:22He's going to be the bad guy.
11:23That lasted, what, two months with that Nike campaign?
11:26Maybe.
11:29You, it's hard to be the heel, and he can't do it.
11:32In a preseason game, he can't do it.
11:35It was so bad.
11:36Oh, my God.
11:36Imagine coming back week three, you're 0-2, 67,000 there.
11:40Oh, my God.
11:41You can't.
11:42You're going to have to introduce the defense.
11:44Because we have to protect his feelings.
11:47$230 million, I've got to protect feelings.
11:51Three first-round picks, I've got to protect feelings.
11:53And if you thought, Kenny, they cheered an injury last time, but it was kind of muted,
11:59wait until that scenario plays out.
12:01Boy, that would be good for everybody, right?
12:06All right.
12:06That was a preseason game.
12:07That was a preseason game.
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